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High Pr Domains - How not to be scammed?

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Hi,

I see those high pr domains at some places. But to be honest, some of those high pr domains cannot be valid.

They show 0 backlinks! And PR checkers show them as valid and google doesn't show any problems too.

So, how do you buy your high pr domains and where?
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    Originally Posted by seoed View Post

    Hi,

    I see those high pr domains at some places. But to be honest, some of those high pr domains cannot be valid.

    They show 0 backlinks! And PR checkers show them as valid and google doesn't show any problems too.

    So, how do you buy your high pr domains and where?
    So stop using PR checkers. They are easily fooled. If the links are not there, neither is the PR.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bisturi
    It's very simple, check the backlinks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Originally Posted by seoed View Post


    They show 0 backlinks! And PR checkers show them as valid and google doesn't show any problems too.
    If you are buying domains based on PR only....Stop.

    If it were even true before it has been nearly 6 months since an update. Go off backlinks but the pain in the neck now is that none of the checkers shows them all. I have nearly passed on some domains because they show no backlinks in two or three services, checked it with one more service, and BAM seen more than enough.

    Frankly I don't know what Google is doing with Pagerank. I have a PR4 I have been thinking of showing on this forum because for nearly a year (10 months) it has been showing no links. I keep putting off showing it because there might be some mystery links to it somewhere - ahrefs can't find it, spyglass can't find any, Opensite can't find it but through two updates it still held the toolbar PR.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sarevok
    I will definitely get some hatemail on this but...

    I would advise AGAINST purchasing domain just for PR rank.

    Reason being..

    It can be faked in some many different ways via exploitation, and it's a temporary thing.

    I remember I had a domain with like 25k pages.

    I changed a little link on the 25k pages pointing to my main page, and my PR jumped to PR5-PR6.

    But, the jump only lasted 2-3 days, then it shot back down to a dismal 2-3.

    So, PR CAN be "rigged".

    So, don't buy simply because of a high PR.

    Just my $.02
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  • Profile picture of the author UMS
    Just use commonsense. If it seems too good to be true..........
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  • Profile picture of the author Voasi
    Don't use them - check out Open Site Explorer and see what the domain authority is. Let that be your PR. If it's between 10-19, then it's a PR1. If between 40-49, then it's a PR4, etc...
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  • Profile picture of the author madallas
    You can use majesticseo to check the link profile.
    Basically PR4 should have over 100+ links
    And PR5 should have over 300+ links...
    Hope this helps.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by Voasi View Post

      Don't use them - check out Open Site Explorer and se. e what the domain authority is. Let that be your PR. If it's between 10-19, then it's a PR1. If between 40-49, then it's a PR4, etc...
      Originally Posted by madallas View Post

      You can use majesticseo to check the link profile.
      Basically PR4 should have over 100+ links
      And PR5 should have over 300+ links...
      Hope this helps.
      These are both horrible suggestions and great ways to waste lots of money
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      • Profile picture of the author Voasi
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        These are both horrible suggestions and great ways to waste lots of money
        Thanks Mike. Your suggestions in this thread have been immense and wonderful. Please continue to bash and be non-helpful to people who post.

        I live in the real world and spend thousands on domains. Doing what I said is a great way to find domains, rather then using a PR checker.
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
          Originally Posted by Voasi View Post

          Don't use them - check out Open Site Explorer and see what the domain authority is. Let that be your PR. If it's between 10-19, then it's a PR1. If between 40-49, then it's a PR4, etc...
          Originally Posted by Voasi View Post

          Thanks Mike. Your suggestions in this thread have been immense and wonderful. Please continue to bash and be non-helpful to people who post.

          I live in the real world and spend thousands on domains. Doing what I said is a great way to find domains, rather then using a PR checker.
          I don't care how much you've spent. I've been buying domains since before it was popular to buy domains.

          Relying on Open Site Explorer's domain authority is a HUGE mistake. I can show you plenty of sites that have DA's of 50+ and are PR 1's and 2's. I can also show you the opposite. Domain Authority is horribly misleading in a lot of cases.

          You need to investigate the links. You need to understand where the PR is coming from and evaluate if they are the type of links that will stick around or are likely to quickly disappear.

          Please don't tell me about being non-helpful. I've shared more information for free on here about buying domains than 99% of the info products you can buy about the topic.
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          • Profile picture of the author Voasi
            Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

            I don't care how much you've spent. I've been buying domains since before it was popular to buy domains.
            That's good - so have I. About 7 years now.

            Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

            Relying on Open Site Explorer's domain authority is a HUGE mistake. I can show you plenty of sites that have DA's of 50+ and are PR 1's and 2's. I can also show you the opposite. Domain Authority is horribly misleading in a lot of cases.

            You need to investigate the links. You need to understand where the PR is coming from and evaluate if they are the type of links that will stick around or are likely to quickly disappear.
            That was a much better response than the one you gave above, thank you. Don't you just feel better now?

            Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

            Please don't tell me about being non-helpful. I've shared more information for free on here about buying domains than 99% of the info products you can buy about the topic.
            Relative to what you posted above, it was not-helpful. I have a ton of posts here to that make people a ton of money, but I'm always trying to be helpful in every post I make. Kinda the reason we're here on this forum right? ...at least I think so.
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            • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
              Originally Posted by Voasi View Post

              Relative to what you posted above, it was not-helpful. I have a ton of posts here to that make people a ton of money, but I'm always trying to be helpful in every post I make. Kinda the reason we're here on this forum right? ...at least I think so.
              There's already tons of information on this forum around buying high PR domains if someone wants to look for it. No need to go rehashing that.

              I was just pointing out that your method was a fantastic way for some newbie who doesn't know any better to waste a lot of money. So I was being helpful.
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    • Profile picture of the author Hansons
      Originally Posted by madallas View Post

      You can use majesticseo to check the link profile.
      Basically PR4 should have over 100+ links
      And PR5 should have over 300+ links...
      Hope this helps.
      This is not accurate!

      Even one or two links may result in giving PR3 or PR4... it depends..
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  • Profile picture of the author seoed
    Yes. Normally just some high pr backlinks are enough. And there is the problem. After you buy the domain there is no guarantee that these high pr backlinks will stay as there is no agreement made on this.

    Now, I know that there are a lot of people who advise to buy high pr domains. What exactly is the procedure here? Do we really have to check the complete link profile of such domains? This could take very long...
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  • Profile picture of the author seoed
    Hey, please calm down you two. I really don't like to see that when some people on forums begin an unfriendly conversation.

    Let's simply say that you two have different ways of finding domains which is great to my mind. Wouldn't it be horrible if everyone did the same? Talking about high competitiveness

    Why don't you simply elaborate more on your approaches?

    @ Mike: Ok, this is what my logic would also tell me - check their link profiles. But isn't that too time consuming or do you have a faster technique?

    @ Voasi: Interesting method. So, did I understand you correctly that you simply don't look at the PR but just on the backlink quality of domains?
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    • Profile picture of the author schleckel
      Why don't you test it out?
      I mean try out the two methods, gather data and post your results here??

      That would be really cool.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by seoed View Post

      Why don't you simply elaborate more on your approaches?

      @ Mike: Ok, this is what my logic would also tell me - check their link profiles. But isn't that too time consuming or do you have a faster technique?
      Of course it is time consuming, but I am not going to just throw $200+ at a domain based on some mythical number that Moz pulled out of their ass.

      Originally Posted by seoed View Post

      @ Voasi: Interesting method. So, did I understand you correctly that you simply don't look at the PR but just on the backlink quality of domains?
      Looking at DA doesn't tell you squat about the backlink quality. On top of that, Moz only updates their database every few months, so what you are looking at could be outdated. What shows as a DA of 40+ today, could be a DA under 20 in the next update.
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  • Profile picture of the author seoed
    Yes, this would be one way: trial and error. but why not first hear what those 2 experts have to say?
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  • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
    Originally Posted by seoed View Post

    Hi,

    I see those high pr domains at some places. But to be honest, some of those high pr domains cannot be valid.

    They show 0 backlinks! And PR checkers show them as valid and google doesn't show any problems too.

    So, how do you buy your high pr domains and where?
    The way they do that is redirect to a high PR site then turn that redirect off after the PR updates. This is how it seems legit with sites like cekpr but it is fake.

    Keep in mind that you're buying the backlinks of these domains, not the PR of the domain.
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  • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
    DA can be gamed. Throw a couple hundred thousand spam links at a domain and the DA shoots through the roof.

    I use DA to help separate the wheat from the chaff. Then I look a little closer at the links.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

      I use DA to help separate the wheat from the chaff. Then I look a little closer at the links.
      Pretty much. I don't quite go as far as MikeF. Mozrank is fine as long as its not your only metric. I wouldn't say the numbers are pulled out their ass.In fact mozrank itself lines up in a lot of cases pretty well

      Now as you both say it can be gamed with crappy links so you might want to balance that with looking at trustflow. Both those metrics update alot more than PR and Pr when it updates isn't even fresh data. Its like a cron of older data

      I had a video where back around January or February Cutts stated pretty clearly that pagrerank toolbar was on its way out. As it is now it s six months stale. the problem buying now isn't just with the PR of the domain its evaluating the PR of the links.

      Mozrank and particulalry trustflow is coming in pretty hand at predicting that good links are still going to a site and since cutts made it clear I AM switching over to a combination of Mozrank and Trustflow

      Sure relying on one metric like Pagerank was easier and better but times move forward and we have to adjust as with all things Google
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      • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        I had a video where back around January or February Cutts stated pretty clearly that pagrerank toolbar was on its way out. As it is now it s six months stale. the problem buying now isn't just with the PR of the domain its evaluating the PR of the links.
        Exactly, that's something not a lot of people think about.
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  • Profile picture of the author tbtb123
    It is very important to check whether the domain has been used for SEO/maliciously before, try using Archive.org to get a clue...
    As for the PR, always check for natural high PR backlinks, if you can find them run away from the domain.
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  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    A couple of months ago someone send me a list of domains to take a look at.

    Turned out that not only the PR of the domain in question got faked, the pagerank of the actual back links was faked as well. Simply cause the deal looked to good to be true and it all looked ok at first glance.

    Obvious DA/PA/CF/TF stats were far off so that's why I dived a bit deeper and saw that the PR4 back links had a PR1 root domain and not a single back link to the actual PR4 page where the link was coming from so all together completely impossible.

    Here is how I evaluate domains:

    I start with filtering it on Citation Flow / Trust flow from Majestic.

    Then after I filter on DA/PA/MozRank/MozTrust from SEOmoz (OpenSiteExplorer).

    That kind of filters out all the crap as the stats are then pretty much on the same line.

    As a last check I export the backlinks in Ahrefs and run the pagerank checker in Scrapebox.

    Filter it on PR3+ and check if the links are still there and if they are dofollow or not.

    This is pretty much of a 100% fail proof system that doesn't require huge amounts of time when using the right tools, like Netpeak checker.

    While exporting in Ahrefs I also take a quick look at the anchor diversity and the amount of links, when it has like 100,000s of links from few referring domains I often look closer and let it go.
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    • Profile picture of the author highprweb
      Almost same startgies followed here Buy High PR Domain Cheap Price — Get high page rank websites today

      Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

      A couple of months ago someone send me a list of domains to take a look at.

      Turned out that not only the PR of the domain in question got faked, the pagerank of the actual back links was faked as well. Simply cause the deal looked to good to be true and it all looked ok at first glance.

      Obvious DA/PA/CF/TF stats were far off so that's why I dived a bit deeper and saw that the PR4 back links had a PR1 root domain and not a single back link to the actual PR4 page where the link was coming from so all together completely impossible.

      Here is how I evaluate domains:

      I start with filtering it on Citation Flow / Trust flow from Majestic.

      Then after I filter on DA/PA/MozRank/MozTrust from SEOmoz (OpenSiteExplorer).

      That kind of filters out all the crap as the stats are then pretty much on the same line.

      As a last check I export the backlinks in Ahrefs and run the pagerank checker in Scrapebox.

      Filter it on PR3+ and check if the links are still there and if they are dofollow or not.

      This is pretty much of a 100% fail proof system that doesn't require huge amounts of time when using the right tools, like Netpeak checker.

      While exporting in Ahrefs I also take a quick look at the anchor diversity and the amount of links, when it has like 100,000s of links from few referring domains I often look closer and let it go.
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