Sick of SEO and Google Tricks

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Hello. I try for over 5 months to rank an EASY niche. I spent 1500$ on different seo services for 3 websites. Yes, you read good. 1,5k$.
Now, with last website. I tried SAPE Links. I got over 300 PR2+ links with OBL <10. I also have only quality SEO instead of that SAPE links to diversify the link profile. Over 60 unique articles written, well optimized for keywords. And i`m ranking worse that blogger websites with 0 links and copied content. The problem is that the keywords i have used in SAPE are on page 6 to page 8 with no improvements.

I offer 20$ for that Warrior man from here who can tell me why i`m not ranking with this website. I will give to him the website URL to check on Ahrefs. Great Social Signals profile, great link building profile, great on-page etc.

AND NO RANKING! I`m desperately after spending over 1,5k$ on SEO and now with this last website in this niche can`t rank!

I not put in public the website URL. Only 1000+ posts Warriors can request my website via PM or here to take a look at it.
#google #seo #sick #tricks
  • Profile picture of the author online only
    First of all. On what did you spend $1500? I know it's SEO "services", but what exactly? What kind of links did you get?

    If they were low quality links then you are most likely burned already. Not to mention the SAPE links you just made.
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  • Profile picture of the author adystanley
    Man, don't tell me this thing.
    I tried first with some Grey Hat Services, like over 50 Web 2.0s with unique articles that got indexed, over 50 Blogposts with unique content, unique social bookmarks, social signals = all of these was 0. And you probably know the prices for these unique stuff.

    After no success above, i just said a SAPE service with over 500+ clients which HAD RANKED. I said lets try this, hope it will rank me and i wont be an exception. Surprise! Used it, no rank.
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    • Profile picture of the author online only
      Originally Posted by adystanley View Post

      Man, don't tell me this thing.
      I tried first with some Grey Hat Services, like over 50 Web 2.0s with unique articles that got indexed, over 50 Blogposts with unique content, unique social bookmarks, social signals = all of these was 0. And you probably know the prices for these unique stuff.
      Yeah I know, it's probably less than $100 and you can get those low quality links from the WSO section as well. No wonder, they didn't help you.

      You have know this that they are low quality links, made by softwares. What do you expect? Just pay some money to random guy and BOOM you are ranking first?

      You seriously have to get out of this "box" and stop wasting your money on low quality "spam". Your site is probably devalued and it's pretty hard to get back on track.

      If you really spent $1500 on this then... Oh well. There are tonloads of more legitimate guys out there who build real links to your site for $1500.

      Just keep searching. Web2.0, social bookmarks and so on are not worth the money.
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  • Profile picture of the author adystanley
    1,5k$ is not too much for 2 to 3 millions searches for a keyword?
    If Web 2.0s and Social Bookmakrs are not good, then what are good? And i also said 50 Blogposts there.
    You said softwares, all was manually. I tried over 10 SEO Services, not just a guy.
    Like i said websites ranks without any SEO and i`m not ranking with SEO. What about the SAPE Links? Why it didnt ranked me?
    Let`s not talk with you about this, i said real Warriors with 1000+ posts.
    Thanks.
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    • Profile picture of the author online only
      Originally Posted by adystanley View Post

      1,5k$ is not too much for 2 to 3 millions searches for a keyword?
      If Web 2.0s and Social Bookmakrs are not good, then what are good? And i also said 50 Blogposts there.
      You said softwares, all was manually. I tried over 10 SEO Services, not just a guy.
      Like i said websites ranks without any SEO and i`m not ranking with SEO. What about the SAPE Links? Why it didnt ranked me?
      Let`s not talk with you about this, i said real Warriors with 1000+ posts.
      Thanks.
      OK, you got me. Yukon will be here soon. He will tell you what to do.

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    • Profile picture of the author cpkc
      Originally Posted by adystanley View Post

      Let`s not talk with you about this, i said real Warriors with 1000+ posts.
      Thanks.
      Sorry my reading isn't great, can you translate this for me?
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    • Profile picture of the author frank07
      Originally Posted by adystanley View Post

      1,5k$ is not too much for 2 to 3 millions searches for a keyword?
      If Web 2.0s and Social Bookmakrs are not good, then what are good? And i also said 50 Blogposts there.
      You said softwares, all was manually. I tried over 10 SEO Services, not just a guy.
      Like i said websites ranks without any SEO and i`m not ranking with SEO. What about the SAPE Links? Why it didnt ranked me?
      Let`s not talk with you about this, i said real Warriors with 1000+ posts.
      Thanks.
      1.Maybe your keyword is very competitive. With 2 to 3 mil searches for a month, it needs more budget than 1.5k$.

      2. SEO needs time, you cannot add the links and see results tomorrow.

      3. Try promote more inner url

      4. Try with long tail keywords first, it will require less $ and time for get top 1. When you see this work, scale it up.
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  • Profile picture of the author GodMode52
    If keywords aren't moving at all even after SAPE links then you probably got your domain trashed away with the cheap crap you bought before. There were few strong algo updates in the last few months.
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    • Profile picture of the author adystanley
      Originally Posted by GodMode52 View Post

      If keywords aren't moving at all even after SAPE links then you probably got your domain trashed away with the cheap crap you bought before. There were few strong algo updates in the last few months.
      No, the domain which i used for SAPE links are another than the domain which i used that Grey Hat SEO Services.
      And i`m not penalized, i got around 150 visitators per day from Google. Very less, my competitors got around 5000.
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      • Profile picture of the author GodMode52
        Originally Posted by adystanley View Post

        No, the domain which i used for SAPE links are another than the domain which i used that Grey Hat SEO Services.
        And i`m not penalized, i got around 150 visitators per day from Google. Very less, my competitors got around 5000.
        So what with those 150 visitors? You can get a penality only on some keywords or on your domain , I saw penalized sites which were ranking on top 15 with many keywords too , but there was no chance to move them up.

        On the other hand if you can't move ''easy keywords'' from page 8 using SAPE links then the answer is crystal clear. :rolleyes:
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        • Profile picture of the author adystanley
          Originally Posted by GodMode52 View Post

          So what with those 150 visitors? You can get a penality only on some keywords or on your domain , I saw penalized sites which were ranking on top 15 with many keywords too , but there was no chance to move them up.

          On the other hand if you can't move ''easy keywords'' from page 8 using SAPE links then the answer is crystal clear. :rolleyes:
          My website is not penalized, why to be if Link profile is diversified, on-page is very good and content is unique?
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          • Profile picture of the author GodMode52
            Originally Posted by adystanley View Post

            My website is not penalized, why to be if Link profile is diversified, on-page is very good and content is unique?

            Maybe because you bought a load of sh*t? You can diversify as much as you want but if you diversify it with crap links then there's no much to do. Also I hope that you know that SAPE links are ''rental'' links with a monthly fee, so if you paid once for them and stopped with your subscription then no doubt that you had zero effects with it.

            So back to your question , if your site is properly optimized, your on site seo is done and your backlink profile is awesome the only answer is a penality. There's no reason for a decent site to be stuck on page 7-8.
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          • Profile picture of the author cpkc
            Originally Posted by adystanley View Post

            My website is not penalized, why to be if Link profile is diversified, on-page is very good and content is unique?
            How do you know it's not had a penalty? They only tell you when it's a manual penalty, if it's an algorithm penalty you won't be told anything by Google.
            Then again I don't have 1000 posts so I probably don't know what I'm talking about.
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            • Profile picture of the author adystanley
              Originally Posted by cpkc View Post

              How do you know it's not had a penalty? They only tell you when it's a manual penalty, if it's an algorithm penalty you won't be told anything by Google.
              Then again I don't have 1000 posts so I probably don't know what I'm talking about.
              I said that i WONT send my website to people who don't have 1000 posts. If you can't read, don't post.
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  • Profile picture of the author johnben1444
    The strategy you are using does not work anymore and many people ain't ready to accept that reality.

    $1500 for 3 sites meaning $500 each.

    Some people spend up to 8k for SEO on one site. SEO is no longer the way you look at it anymore. Buying cheap services here and there only leaves you at the mercy of every Google update.

    Important: Before you subscribe to any high cost SEO services, ensure it's worth it and the person knows his job too.
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    • Profile picture of the author adystanley
      Originally Posted by johnben1444 View Post

      The strategy you are using does not work anymore and many people ain't ready to accept that reality.

      $1500 for 3 sites meaning $500 each.

      Some people spend up to 8k for SEO on one site. SEO is no longer the way you look at it anymore. Buying cheap services here and there only leaves you at the mercy of every Google update.

      Important: Before you subscribe to any high cost SEO services, ensure it's worth it and the person knows his job too.
      You probably dont know what you talk.
      How the hell you can say 500$ is not enough for 5 easy keywords?
      I`m not interested if some people spend up to 8k on SEO, probably they have keywords like buy youtube views, weight loss etc.
      And i assure you there were not cheap SEO Services. It`s another cause. ITS NOT Link building i think.
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      • Profile picture of the author aliduncan
        Originally Posted by adystanley View Post

        I try for over 5 months to rank an EASY niche. I spent 1500$ on different seo services for 3 websites.
        Originally Posted by adystanley View Post

        1,5k$ is not too much for 2 to 3 millions searches for a keyword?
        Originally Posted by adystanley View Post

        How the hell you can say 500$ is not enough for 5 easy keywords?
        If you're going after keywords that are really getting 2/3 million searches then I seriously doubt that they are easy keywords to rank, especially using web 2.0 links and social signals.
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  • Profile picture of the author davidfrankk
    First of all, stop trying to trick Google. You can't do it. Atleast not for long !

    Try and be as natural as possible. Create content that is automatically linked by other website across the internet. Get less but quality backlinks instead of a large number of low quality backlinks.
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    • Profile picture of the author adystanley
      Originally Posted by davidfrankk View Post

      First of all, stop trying to trick Google. You can't do it. Atleast not for long !

      Try and be as natural as possible. Create content that is automatically linked by other website across the internet.
      My niche is not for this.
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  • Profile picture of the author mudassarali143
    aaaah!
    This is so sad! your company is not providing true seo services.
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  • Profile picture of the author zoobie
    Diverse your traffic strategy. SEO is a long term investment, and the results can't be guaranteed.

    If you want fast traffic, use PPC, article marketing, social media, forums etc, but again,
    you should run a test on PPC to test your keywords, before going to SEO. Otherwise you will waste your time and money and return nothing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Backlinko
    OP: I was going to help you and actually give you some advice on how you could help your site rank.

    But since you were rude to my boy online only...I'm not going to.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      Link building and unique content is not SEO.

      So you did not actually spend $1500 on SEO.

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    • Profile picture of the author PROmotions LLC
      Originally Posted by Backlinko View Post

      OP: I was going to help you and actually give you some advice on how you could help your site rank.

      But since you were rude to my boy online only...I'm not going to.
      I agree, you can't act like that and expect people to help you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeannie Crabtree
    So you have spent $1,500. to get content made and backlinks for three sites if I understand it right. Is this a high competition niche?

    Here is an outline for you:

    1. Start with making sure your onpage seo is good. You can research onpage seo here at the warrior forum.

    Go to SEOquake - seo toolbar, plugin, seo extension for Mozilla Firefox, Google Chrome, Opera and download the their tool bar. It is used with firefox browser. Now go to your blogs and sites and each page/post check your keyword density with this tool. You can research keyword density here at the warrior forum.

    Make sure to use keywords in your headline and subheadlines and put them in h tags - example <h1>text</h1>

    Fix each post/page as you review it.

    While you are on each page, silo it. You can research how to silo your pages here at the warrior forum.

    2. It sounds like it is possible you need backlinks with more page rank. Most of the stuff offered has no or little page rank - you can get that all day, but 0 PR + 0 PR = 0 pagerank.

    I suggest you go here: » 1,000 Niche-Related Blog Commenting Sources (Drive Traffic AND Build Niche-Related Backlinks)Version5.net / Blog Commenting and get his blog commenting package for pages with page rank. You will tell him what keyword to prepare it for. His other offers have done me some good.

    Start with the highest PR and work down - that will go to your important pages or index pages - each day, make a few blog comments for each of your sites, or at least just rotate through it all, since you have the many web 2.O's.

    After a few days start directing your comments toward your inner pages with an occasional one to the index/important pages. Mix it up, as it helps.

    Give this 3 weeks, up to 3 months and you will see improvement.

    I would put your site into google webmaster tools to see what they say about the sites and so that you can actually see where they are for the keywords. Watch as they bounce around at first few weeks. This will happen so don't be alarmed.

    Then keywords will begin to move upward.

    There you go, you will find this outline better than many vague WSO's you might purchase.

    Jeannie
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    • Profile picture of the author adystanley
      Originally Posted by Jeannie Crabtree View Post

      So you have spent $1,500. to get content made and backlinks for three sites if I understand it right. Is this a high competition niche?

      Here is an outline for you:

      1. Start with making sure your onpage seo is good. You can research onpage seo here at the warrior forum.

      Go to SEOquake - seo toolbar, plugin, seo extension for Mozilla Firefox, Google Chrome, Opera and download the their tool bar. It is used with firefox browser. Now go to your blogs and sites and each page/post check your keyword density with this tool. You can research keyword density here at the warrior forum.

      Make sure to use keywords in your headline and subheadlines and put them in h tags - example <h1>text</h1>

      Fix each post/page as you review it.

      While you are on each page, silo it. You can research how to silo your pages here at the warrior forum.

      2. It sounds like it is possible you need backlinks with more page rank. Most of the stuff offered has no or little page rank - you can get that all day, but 0 PR + 0 PR = 0 pagerank.

      I suggest you go here: » 1,000 Niche-Related Blog Commenting Sources (Drive Traffic AND Build Niche-Related Backlinks)Version5.net / Blog Commenting and get his blog commenting package for pages with page rank. You will tell him what keyword to prepare it for. Tell him Jeannie sent you. I am not an affiliate, but his other offers has done me some good.

      Start with the highest PR and work down - that will go to your important pages or index pages - each day, make a few blog comments for each of your sites, or at least just rotate through it all, since you have the many web 2.O's.

      After a few days start directing your comments toward your inner pages with an occasional one to the index/important pages. Mix it up, as it helps.

      Give this 3 weeks, up to 3 months and you will see improvement.

      I would put your site into google webmaster tools to see what they say about the sites and so that you can actually see where they are for the keywords. Watch as they bounce around at first few weeks. This will happen so don't be alarmed.

      Then keywords will begin to move upward.

      There you go, you will find this outline better than many vague WSO's you might purchase.

      Jeannie
      Thank you so much for these words. I`ve sent you the website by PM to take a look. I have the website in WMT.
      I will buy tomorrow the Niche related blog comments.
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  • Profile picture of the author talfighel
    It seems to me that you have spent $1500 on companies who promised you that you will get ranked if you use their services.

    You learned the hard way that no one can guarantee you high rankings and forever.

    If you are going to continue this path, at least add your own articles to your website/blog. That is the best thing you can do if you want long term success with this.

    If I were you, I would even look at other sources of marketing. You don't want to have only 1 strategy working for you. You want to have multiple marketing venue all working at the same time.
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  • Profile picture of the author tbtb123
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  • Profile picture of the author adystanley
    Thanks guys for the replies. But there`s something else, i don't know what.
    I`ve sent the website for Jeannie, put your review here.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeannie Crabtree
      Sorry, as I told you, I won't work with the kind of site you have. You are on your own.

      Originally Posted by adystanley View Post

      Thanks guys for the replies. But there`s something else, i don't know what.
      I`ve sent the website for Jeannie, put your review here.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by Jeannie Crabtree View Post

        Sorry, as I told you, I won't work with the kind of site you have. You are on your own.

        ROFL deep in my bones I just knew it was the site itself
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by Jeannie Crabtree View Post

        Sorry, as I told you, I won't work with the kind of site you have. You are on your own.
        Exactly,

        I've also seen the site via PM & I'm not dealing with a site like that, let alone the SAPE links OP said s/he already used on the site.

        The site only has loads of outbound links pointing to those junk get rich quick illegal content locking download sites. I've mentioned that before in OPs other forum threads, they're solution was to redirect the links via bitly. :rolleyes:

        Bottom line, the site is every bit of what Google doesn't want in the SERPs.
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        • Profile picture of the author adystanley
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          Bottom line, the site is every bit of what Google doesn't want in the SERPs.
          You are wrong.
          I will give you a website with same niche like me, which get over 5000 uniques per day and have copied content with no backlinks in his link profile.
          If you want more examples, i`m here.
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          • Profile picture of the author yukon
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            Originally Posted by adystanley View Post

            You are wrong.
            I will give you a website with same niche like me, which get over 5000 uniques per day and have copied content with no backlinks in his link profile.
            If you want more examples, i`m here.
            How am I wrong?

            Would you like me to post the PM that you sent me with a link to the site? I won't do that unless you want me to, but I didn't say anything wrong about the site.

            As an example, one of your many outbound links flows like this:

            your page > bitly > fileice.net
            That's a single page/link, the rest of the site only points to seedy pay per download file sharing sites.

            Your linking out to bad neighborhoods like there's no tomorrow. Your not hiding anything from Google by redirecting your links via bitly, Google is smarter than that.

            I can't believe I'm saying this but the only way you could hide those links from Google is If your site was a subscription site & all the outbound links were behind a login form.

            BTW, I'm sure that G+ button/javascript on your pages is equivalent to having Google Analytics on the same page/s. Again, your not hiding anything from Google.

            I don't want anymore examples, I've seen enough of the site already.
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            • Profile picture of the author adystanley
              Originally Posted by yukon View Post

              How am I wrong?

              Would you like me to post the PM that you sent me with a link to the site? I won't do that unless you want me to, but I didn't say anything wrong about the site.

              As an example, one of your many outbound links flows like this:



              That's a single page/link, the rest of the site only points to seedy pay per download file sharing sites.

              Your linking out to bad neighborhoods like there's no tomorrow. Your not hiding anything from Google by redirecting your links via bitly, Google is smarter than that.

              I can't believe I'm saying this but the only way you could hide those links from Google is If your site was a subscription site & all the outbound links were behind a login form.

              I don't want anymore examples, I've seen enough of the site already.
              You think if i will redirect the links to dropbox.com then i will rank ?
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              • Profile picture of the author yukon
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                Originally Posted by adystanley View Post

                You think if i will redirect the links to dropbox.com then i will rank ?
                I have no idea If you'll rank the site/pages, you've thrown so many different things at the site, it's hard telling.
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                • Profile picture of the author adystanley
                  Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                  I have no idea If you'll rank the site/pages, you've thrown so many different things at the site, it's hard telling.
                  Yes but i dont understand one thing.
                  There are over 1000 websites in my niche with that OBL. How they rank and i`m not?
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                  • Profile picture of the author Karan Rawat
                    Originally Posted by adystanley View Post

                    How they rank and i`m not?
                    I invested $270 in my 1st niche site. Regrettably, it was a failure.I learned that keyword research is the most important thing. My second lesson was not to invest much money on site in the first place. Build your site slowly & wait & see. Rome was'nt built in a day.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
            Originally Posted by adystanley View Post

            You are wrong.
            I will give you a website with same niche like me, which get over 5000 uniques per day and have copied content with no backlinks in his link profile.
            If you want more examples, i`m here.

            WOW

            Must be your lucky day, that I found this thread.

            I have a website that does very good traffic in this same type of niche market.

            My main page is getting over 15000 UV per day, inner pages I have 25. These pages get about 1k UV per day each. And last update my traffic went up a lot. Seems to be Google update friendly service.

            But this SEO service I bought was the best. I used ~~~~~~~ SEO Services. For only $200 ~~~~~~~ SEO Services took my site from page 9 to top position in only 2 weeks. Now I am ranked No1 for 12 great search keywords.

            The owner of ~~~~~~~ SEO Services also gave me a coupon code if you need ot for 20% discount.

            Glad I could help. Check them out, tell them Kevin sent you.

            Regards
            Kevin

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            • Profile picture of the author tech84
              Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

              WOW

              Must be your lucky day, that I found this thread.

              I have a website that does very good traffic in this same type of niche market.

              My main page is getting over 15000 UV per day, inner pages I have 25. These pages get about 1k UV per day each. And last update my traffic went up a lot. Seems to be Google update friendly service.

              But this SEO service I bought was the best. I used ~~~~~~~ SEO Services. For only $200 ~~~~~~~ SEO Services took my site from page 9 to top position in only 2 weeks. Now I am ranked No1 for 12 great search keywords.

              The owner of ~~~~~~~ SEO Services also gave me a coupon code if you need ot for 20% discount.

              Glad I could help. Check them out, tell them Kevin sent you.

              Regards
              Kevin

              (~~~~~~~) May ONLY be seen by members with over 1000 Posts

              Lol, your code must be wrong or something, I don't have 1000's thanks/posts but I can still clearly see ~~~~~~~'s name there.

              I have heard about ~~~~~~~ and their SEO Services a few years back and so far all reviews have been positive even post panda and penguin.
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            • Profile picture of the author adystanley
              Nice joke.

              Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

              WOW

              Must be your lucky day, that I found this thread.

              I have a website that does very good traffic in this same type of niche market.

              My main page is getting over 15000 UV per day, inner pages I have 25. These pages get about 1k UV per day each. And last update my traffic went up a lot. Seems to be Google update friendly service.

              But this SEO service I bought was the best. I used ~~~~~~~ SEO Services. For only $200 ~~~~~~~ SEO Services took my site from page 9 to top position in only 2 weeks. Now I am ranked No1 for 12 great search keywords.

              The owner of ~~~~~~~ SEO Services also gave me a coupon code if you need ot for 20% discount.

              Glad I could help. Check them out, tell them Kevin sent you.

              Regards
              Kevin

              (~~~~~~~) May ONLY be seen by members with over 1000 Posts
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  • Profile picture of the author alvinchua91
    lol. I know you're angry and want results...

    Okay, I have no intention to look at your website. But I can tell you what I know from my experience.

    I personally ranked AT LEAST top 3 for a good number of my blog posts in the past.

    And... I learnt one thing. Google is a b*tch. No matter how much you diversify your anchor-text backlinks, even if you use only high quality backlinks, even if all your blog/website posts are high quality... Google can just rip you off their SERPs entirely or just drop your rankings.

    I know because I experienced it myself first-hand. Never count on Google alone to make your money online. I can't tell if it's your SEO's company/gigs fault; but the problem most likely lies with Google itself.
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  • Profile picture of the author ilikepie
    You accuse Google of tricking you, but in fact you were the one trying to do the trick but failed trying...

    Now you offer a small fee to recover a more then 60 times bigger investment, sounds logical.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Okay I Think I fit your requirements of 1,000+ posts and/or 1,000+ thanks etc. SO let me see if I can help you out with your ranking problem. Now for the moment here is what you do

    Forget about backlinks right now and Forget about PR. Don't even worry about good content. Just concentrate on three things and you will be off to a better start

    A) Grow up
    B) If your sites are in English learn to write it properly
    C) Stop being so freaking rude and realize no one owes you anything so take the help where you can get it regardless of post count.

    How you treated other members will pretty much guarantee that most 1000+ posters/thanked members will give you no better advice
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    • Profile picture of the author tech84
      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

      Okay I Think I fit your requirements of 1,000+ posts and/or 1,000+ thanks etc. SO let me see if I can help you out with your ranking problem. Now for the moment here is what you do

      Forget about backlinks right now and Forget about PR. Don't even worry about good content. Just concentrate on three things and you will be off to a better start

      A) Grow up
      B) If your sites are in English learn to write it properly
      C) Stop being so freaking rude and realize no one owes you anything so take the help where you can get it regardless of post count.

      How you treated other members will pretty much guarantee that most 1000+ posters/thanked members will give you no better advice

      This, especially #3 applies to a lot of stuff from what I read in this forum lately. This post needs more likes... i mean thanks.
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      • Profile picture of the author adystanley
        Originally Posted by tech84 View Post

        This, especially #3 applies to a lot of stuff from what I read in this forum lately. This post needs more likes... i mean thanks.
        He got one from me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeannie Crabtree
    It will be hard to ever get much traction in Google with your sites. They don't like that kind of site.

    Why not start fresh with something that is acceptable to Google, if you intend to get your traffic there... Don't pour any more of your money down the drain. It is a losing battle.

    They are out there making big changes this summer and throwing out the trash.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mkcoy
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    OOW!

    As in Over Optimized Website.

    There is your answer buddy.
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