SEO in 2013 : An Inconvenient Truth

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Thread after thread of SEO advice that could be only described as complete crackers is all I'm seeing. I add my "opinion" to topics I feel confident, I could really add some value to. Or sometimes (most of the time) I'm just trying to have a laugh ad a joke with people about stuff.

But the same type of question threads keeping popping up. About SEO (linkbuilding side), and whats working with content, best off-site practices, best types of links etc etc...

And people advising the same type of crap link that probably got them screwed, and that's why their asking the question.

spammy blog commenting
forum profiles
auto subs (senuke/sickS)
mass web2.0 with "UNIQUE" content LOLZ

WAKE DAFUQ UP GUYS

Maybe this crap worked in 2008 or something. Either that or the developers of these software, have the worlds hottest sales copywriters. That just sell Injens up the river to Christmas. On the idea that all links are good links. Or that a whole bunch of shitty links piled up on top of each other (Tiers). Will make a small bunch of really great links (Tier 1 Ninjas).

Stop this crap now and listen to me.

It will take you forever and a day to build a proper network like this. And would probably cost you the same price overall. If you just went out and invested in buying a network of sites from the start. And worst of all, this network of sites your trying to build up with tiered software link building. Are not even your properties. So a lot of these sites delete and ban your account. Or simply shut their doors and you lose the site. Or the just switch to rel no-follow (Squidoo)

Joking aside. Software is great. I love it and use all of them all of the time. But just probably in very different ways.

I love scrapers.
Scrapebox
GScraper
HRefer

Lovem. The most powerful thing in an SEO's box of tricks. Is his footprints. And I don't mean his shoe size or ability to find article sites for AMR either. I mean his ability to find related target sites, platforms or other link opportunities. If you can master this, Life is damn easy.

Most of the submitters have the option of mass importing and managing accounts also. So they can be used nicely like this. Although I would personally not advise using spun content for such posting.

A very well spun (by human) article. That is sparingly used, you might get away with. But to be honest, by the time it would take to spin the article properly. You would have probably written a tonne of good articles. You can buy fairly cheap content too. Not word perfect, but for as cheap as $7 per 1000 words is not bad.

I might also use them for account creation. Just to speed that up. But beyond registration, I'm taking over and building that account as a real person.

But building out a network from scratch like this. Would be mental suicide. And would probably cost the same as buying your own private network from the very start. But it's a big cash up front deal. And most people getting into SEO, see it as high risk. They don't know what the return will be for even being at the top yet. And your saying yo, you need 4xPR5 25xPR3 250xPR2, and that will be $100k a year + fees.

"And they like YO chill man...I got this dude over here says he's gonna give me 10000 backlinks for $5, sup with that?"

So they take that road. Some get lucky and hit some really soft niches, and make a few $$$. And there usually the only stories you will see in the sales thread. I'm yet to see a "you ruined my life and I'm now homeless because of you" review in a sales copy.

But anyway, the numbers above where an exaggeration I can get 10000 backlinks for $4.

Anyway point is.
Most of you have sites that you want in this game for the long haul. So start treating them with a bit more care.

I might continue this rant later.
#2013 #inconvenient #seo #truth
  • Profile picture of the author seoace
    Love and hate you that you pointed out the scraping tools.

    Now more "manual is the best way to go" SEOs are going to jump back to scraping websites to post to.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Google is going to crush tiered link building and once they do almost all the features of the automation software everyone loves will become dead weight. Theres just no way Google goes after everything that marketers use and then stop before destroying tiered link building.

      Its as simple as limiting the ability of pages with too a high ratio of unnatural links to pass juice.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Google is going to crush tiered link building and once they do almost all the features of the automation software everyone loves will become dead weight. Theres just no way Google goes after everything that marketers use and then stop before destroying tiered link building.

        Its as simple as limiting the ability of pages with too a high ratio of unnatural links to pass juice.
        I've kept and somewhat maintained almost every web2.0 property I've ever built. I always knew they would be worth something someday. That's why I'm here now
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      • Profile picture of the author micksss
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Its as simple as limiting the ability of pages with too a high ratio of unnatural links to pass juice.
        I agree slamming 2.0s and such will have to end at some point and that's a good way of them doing it. A handful of real links (not crap) pointing to a tiered site will probably still be OK and not should not hit such a threshold as you describe. Just the mass automated crap...
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      • Profile picture of the author jinx1221
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Its as simple as limiting the ability of pages with too a high ratio of unnatural links to pass juice.
        They can.. they do it to sites known to sell links, reduce their PR and stop the ability to pass juice. But the web20's, especially the good ones, it isn't really the sites fault that people post spam. They (the web20 owners) work extra hard now to get that spam reduced to a minimum with manual reviews, tough captchas, hard to automate coding, etc etc, even going so far as Squidoo did (moving to nofollow).

        But realistically, the majority of the pages on the good web20's are honest, legit, non-automated spam pages. Google knows this, and won't just pull the plug on them. Algorithmically they are looking at the quality or spamminess of individual pages, and the pages that link in/out from them, but it's very doubtful they will slam the main site itself unless there's, say 90% of the content IS obvious spam, and in that sense could be seen as a content link farm. Just my 2c
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          • Profile picture of the author ErikWeich31021
            Truth = it doesn't happen over night, success for the longterm is like life, harder than you imagined. Quick Hits happen, you could get lucky but in reality, it takes a solid commitment and investment to do it right. So if you think that you can rank over night and build a sustainable business from it for cheapie cheapie.. save your money and buy a lotto ticket each week for the year, its a better investment.

            Truth = Google is trying to deter spam but meh, they still suck at it... crap is floating to the top, innocent sites getting wacked... its really a mess but hey, they are winning the game of perception = tho shall not buy links, only PPC links from Google :confused:

            Truth = Googliegoo wants more PPC revenue, they are scaring people in to believing that links don't count... ofc they count, its the fabric of what the internet is built upon so if your using a system, tool or network, you need to be able to manage your links. If you can't, don't use them. Its that simple. Don't think its that easy to build your own network either, its not that simple. Yes you can do it, but why bother unless you have the experience, there are alternatives out there that also provide link control hell, they will even remove your content if you ask :rolleyes:

            Truth = Social works. Yes, social works. Its easy if you only have a few accounts, try to scale it (not only for your money site but for your "buffers/private site etc." your outta luck. Sure you can use tools like hootsuite, dandyid and others but in reality, a much more automated, scalable solution is required.

            False = you can't get hurt by Google. If you keep spammin up those crappy comments via senuk etc.. and you have no control over the links. *slap* and down you go to oblivion in rankings.

            False = Google is the only way to get traffic - well now there are tons of places, yup Google accounts for what, 95% of the Internet search traffic? Idk heard something about Yahoo beating them with their traffic a month or two ago but Pinterest, twitter, facebook, instagram and dozens of other social networks are killing it when it comes to traffic generation - it takes the right tool(s) and systems to capitalize on these new sources of traffic, why do you think that Goodgle put what a billion $ into G+, and it still sucks...

            Truth = SEO has changed, its changed allot these past 2 years and unless you are living it everyday, you will be outta touch with whats happening. You need to align yourself with leaders, companies and individuals that have been and continue to be in the business, trusted and looking out for your best interest. Customer service, support, interaction and showing results are what swing me to purchase/subscribe to these services, I also do my homework, research and do tons of testing across LOTS of sites. Metrics that matter do make a difference...

            Truth = Google can't see it all.... the Internet is too massive, they can't catch it all hence why they put the disavow tool in place, to crowd source your feedback and tell them what tools you used and for them to manually inspect it... good idea, wish I had that power to have all this free information on what your using

            Anyway, thanks for letting me rant a bit, hope you find something here that helps

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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by jinx1221 View Post


          But realistically, the majority of the pages on the good web20's are honest, legit, non-automated spam pages. Google knows this, and won't just pull the plug on them. Algorithmically they are looking at the quality or spamminess of individual pages, and the pages that link in/out from them, but it's very doubtful they will slam the main site itself unless there's, say 90% of the content IS obvious spam,
          You missed my point though. No one claimed google would kill all web 2.0 sites. Just as PAGErank is page based, an algo change would affect PAGES by the external links coming in. So no not main sites but the practice of tiered link building could easily be hit.

          Remember algo changes are not manual. Most popular web 2.0s are not built on the same platform. They are custom coded and there are no footprints. so an algo change would have to affect linking factors not Web 2.O sites per se.

          Google can already detect ynnatural linkss coming in to a page. The algo just has to hut off the ability to pass on juice to other site to destroy tiered link building as is presently practiced.

          Its already on their radar. Cutts talked about "denying the benefit upstream to link spammers" just a few months ago.
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          • Profile picture of the author jinx1221
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            You missed my point though. No one claimed google would kill all web 2.0 sites. Just as PAGErank is page based, an algo change would affect PAGES by the external links coming in. So no not main sites but the practice of tiered link building could easily be hit.
            I see what your saying now. But wouldn't that open up a whole new Negative Seo problem? Unnatural link warnings are one thing, being able to cut anybody's juice off like a faucet is another.. I could just shut off not only my competitions main site, but every one of their incoming links as well
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by jinx1221 View Post

              I see what your saying now. But wouldn't that open up a whole new Negative Seo problem? Unnatural link warnings are one thing, being able to cut anybody's juice off like a faucet is another.. I could just shut off not only my competitions main site, but every one of their incoming links as well
              No...It could be handled the same way as negative SEO now. If a site has a certain amount of quality links to it then the affect is dampened. Ask anyone into negative SE0. Its much easier to tank a site without a good link profile than it is with one that already has good quality links.

              Besides we are well past the time where the prospect of negative SEO means Google wont do something. People swore Google would never make incoming links affect sites because of negative SEO. I Can't tell the amount of posts I remember on this forum where people confidently proclaimed negative SEO would never be allowed. Did that pan out?

              With what you propose you would have to negative SEO potentially hundreds or thousands of authority pages linking to a page. I don't see that happening often enough for Google to give a fig leaf not when the pay off is shutting down the last good use of spam bots.
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    • Profile picture of the author shakil58
      Originally Posted by seoace View Post

      Love and hate you that you pointed out the scraping tools.

      Now more "manual is the best way to go" SEOs are going to jump back to scraping websites to post to.
      I agree with you
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  • Profile picture of the author online only
    The things is... People don't actually listen.

    In the next 30mins there will be another thread: "My site has 5000 quality links, why I'm not ranking anymore"
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    • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
      Originally Posted by online only View Post

      The things is... People don't actually listen.

      In the next 30mins there will be another thread: "My site has 5000 quality links, why I'm not ranking anymore"
      5000 "quality links....How much man $$$????

      Sweet..I can trade you if you want. I've this technique I created with The Best Spinner for boss content. It spins it so much. That you put a 1000 word English article in. And it churns out, a 6000 word perfect, ultra spun article in Italian. I'm killing it over there, VIVA ITALIA!!!!
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        Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

        5000 "quality links....How much man $$$????

        Sweet..I can trade you if you want. I've this technique I created with The Best Spinner for boss content. It spins it so much. That you put a 1000 word English article in. And it churns out, a 6000 word perfect, ultra spun article in Italian. I'm killing it over there, VIVA ITALIA!!!!
        I can tell you for sure that translated content to italian are really crap and unreadable
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    • Profile picture of the author jxam69
      Originally Posted by online only View Post

      The things is... People don't actually listen.

      In the next 30mins there will be another thread: "My site has 5000 quality links, why I'm not ranking anymore"
      Sorry I can't hear you - I'm too busy building 5000 quality links to my site that doesn't rank anymore.
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      • Profile picture of the author dennis09
        Originally Posted by jxam69 View Post

        Sorry I can't hear you - I'm too busy building 5000 quality links to my site that doesn't rank anymore.
        Just make sure you do em manually. You'll be able to rank for anything.
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    • Profile picture of the author Hrkjds
      Originally Posted by online only View Post

      The things is... People don't actually listen.

      In the next 30mins there will be another thread: "My site has 5000 quality links, why I'm not ranking anymore"
      You are right, we will get again some old thread how to seo properly, why am i not ranking etc. same question and have to give same answer. Many of them actually just post a thread to get a back link from this forum, don't want to read what others are saying and what is happening in this forum..
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      • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
        Originally Posted by Hrkjds View Post

        You are right, we will get again some old thread how to seo properly, why am i not ranking etc. same question and have to give same answer. Many of them actually just post a thread to get a back link from this forum, don't want to read what others are saying and what is happening in this forum..
        Really? People post to get links here?

        Good thing you don't.
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  • Profile picture of the author mohib2008
    I'm intrigued. Tell me more!
    I've been out of touch with the SEO world for a whole year, and never had any real website to start with anyway! Read up on how things work during the years 2009 to 2012 - started getting the hang of things - got busy with other stuff - never got round to really implementing anything I learned (building links, networking with people, blog commenting, forum posting, then the commentluv backlinks and all that jazz).

    Now getting ready to really start doing something. I'm really interested to know what "scrapers" are.. Got a lot of reading to do!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
    Social Media

    We have a lot of fun here with this one. A lot of virtual blood shed. On how if possible social would overtake traditional SEO practices of link valuations. But the truth of the matter is. It shouldn't scare anyone in the slightest. It would never be an overnight thing, and We would all adjust accordingly as its rolled out.

    But the real truth of things in SEO are. That any SEO company worth their salt. Would have at least 1 active full time employee. Whether it real world or virtual assistant. Who's only job is client social media management. Any decent SEO company needs to have this included by default really.

    Social media marketing is not just rss you blog posting into your Facebook, Twitter and Tumblr blogs with this cool plugin marketing. Cmon guys that's horsecrap. If your a one guy army with just his own business website. You need to start using your social accounts to start engaging your market.

    Offer some free advice to build up trust.
    Follow them or whatever you do on that site to kiss ass.
    Repost or share some of their stuff related to your niche.

    All that kinda stuff needs to be done. Then start pushing them towards your site slowly. Offer them something cheap, or some good info. Make your site into some big kind of official launch with them invited.

    If you have a budget, I would suggest BuzzBundle for managing and monitoring recent online chatter about your keywords. This gives you up to date info of potential clients or link opportunities. Don't go spamming them. Just reach out and offer help. If they say yes please. Tell them what they need to know. If they ask to know more. Send them the link.

    I wouldn't like to misquote anyone, especially not Frank Kern. But I think it was him who said something like "you need to speak to the prospect, on a very basic human level". Before they want to buy from you. And thats the best way to convert social traffic. Don't hard sell on anything. The relationship could be worth more then the single sale.

    Just to add.
    I don't know if most of you know. Maybe...But Facebook now only display your status updates to a very small percentage of your likers. Only people who take that extra step to subscribe to your page, see every update you make. Worth noting when that 100k likes page aint making no damn money.

    I am hearing really good things about Reddit lately. Friends of mine said they where cleaning up over there with direct sales. So any product vendors should hit that.
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  • Profile picture of the author patadeperro
    Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

    Most of you have sites that you want in this game for the long haul. So start treating them with a bit more care.
    This is exactly the main problem, the people who are here in the long haul is people who have experimented, have had their sites banned, de indexed, etc... and with patience and experience learned what really works and what doesn't, most of the people that arrive to the forum looking for 10000 backlinks for $5 are people that heard that there is money to be made in the internet so they are looking for a quick buck.

    The difference between those who are serious about this game and those who are just to brag is that the first ones take this as a business, each site is an asset, you take the time and see what works, how to increase your cashflow, etc.., the others just heard that somebody is making millions on line and that Google sends you traffic with backlinks, so they are looking like crazies where can they get the biggest quantity of backlinks for less, and of course they are the ones that buy the 10000 packages for 5.... and after $15 come here and ask I have 30000 backlinks why is my site on page 15?
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    • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
      Originally Posted by patadeperro View Post

      people that heard that there is money to be made in the internet so they are looking for a quick buck.
      I honestly believe that the vast majority of people getting into this. Have a longer vision then a "quick buck". I genuinely fear for most people who read forums looking for good advice. The sheep tend to follow whichever way they're led.
      A brutal phrase, but explains a lot.
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      • Profile picture of the author YaSI
        Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

        I honestly believe that the vast majority of people getting into this. Have a longer vision then a "quick buck". I genuinely fear for most people who read forums looking for good advice. The sheep tend to follow whichever way they're led.
        A brutal phrase, but explains a lot.
        so true... that sheep follow the crowd... Anyway. I completely agree with you. People who are into IM should have a long-term vision. It's a business at the end of the day - you don't build one up in 1 day and you most certainly should not run it for a month or so. Doing Business online is basically no different than running an offline business... Just my opinion...
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  • Profile picture of the author RyanLB
    It's only a good thing. Those that are willing to take their time, build quality content and promote them efficiently should have an easier time sticking around. SEO changing makes it easier for those that know what their doing, even if each individual site becomes more of a time sink.
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  • Profile picture of the author danlew
    Google keeps changing their algorithms, including the Panda and Penguin. Our SEO efforts keeps getting more difficult than ever, as they keep changing the rules of the game. After all, it's all about business for them.
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  • Profile picture of the author cpa-money
    its all about money.
    they want only the big companies to be in first results and they want us to pay for adwords in order to be on the first page.

    the only logic behind this is money, search engines dont improve themselves, they just want to make more money. what was wrong with search engines 5 years ago? nothing. there is still spam and irrelevant sites. and it will stay like this forever.

    it is very similar to the situation where we have technology to stop thief from stealing - hidden camera, emergency button and so on...but crime rates doesnt stop, it only grow.

    so today there is no space for you and me on the internet to make money, just to have fun with our blogs and nothin gelse. only the big companies will remain and make the big buck. the little ones will have to be satisfied with earning few dollars a day.
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    • Profile picture of the author online only
      Originally Posted by cpa-money View Post

      so today there is no space for you and me on the internet to make money, just to have fun with our blogs and nothin gelse. only the big companies will remain and make the big buck. the little ones will have to be satisfied with earning few dollars a day.
      Crazy stuff... There are many "small" boys who make 200x more than few dollars a day.

      It takes time, failing etc.. But it's possible.
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    • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
      Originally Posted by cpa-money View Post

      its all about money.
      they want only the big companies to be in first results and they want us to pay for adwords in order to be on the first page.

      the only logic behind this is money, search engines dont improve themselves, they just want to make more money. what was wrong with search engines 5 years ago? nothing. there is still spam and irrelevant sites. and it will stay like this forever.

      it is very similar to the situation where we have technology to stop thief from stealing - hidden camera, emergency button and so on...but crime rates doesnt stop, it only grow.

      so today there is no space for you and me on the internet to make money, just to have fun with our blogs and nothin gelse. only the big companies will remain and make the big buck. the little ones will have to be satisfied with earning few dollars a day.
      You already know the answer because you mentioned it in this thread - use paid traffic to achieve your goals. It doesn't matter if you're a 'big boy' or not if you have a sales funnel and paid traffic.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
        Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

        You already know the answer because you mentioned it in this thread - use paid traffic to achieve your goals. It doesn't matter if you're a 'big boy' or not if you have a sales funnel and paid traffic.
        Did you like my pro social stance ?
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  • Profile picture of the author MarkKapoor
    Manual submissions is the key in present scenario. Content is all matters now.
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    • Profile picture of the author dennis09
      Originally Posted by MarkKapoor View Post

      Manual submissions is the key in present scenario. Content is all matters now.
      Yo Kevin he just solved all of your problems. You gotta build them profile links manually bro.
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    The only Posts that I see that are high PR are the PRweb press releases that are spammed. And yes there are blog comments on non native english .edu blogs. Some of the higher ones are in arabic and chinese.

    And yes, Orange County SEO is the keyword I was referring too and it is difficult when you have these things going on filling up an entire page with bs links.

    Basically, what I understand from your comment is that if you have a FB, Youtube, or Wordpress blog you can get away with creating shitty links from automated software but you need some High PR blog posts comment spam.

    Ok, I will try that out
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by dennis09 View Post

            Or fill up the entire first page and then sell him the sites in a nice package deal since he won't be able to beat em anyway.
            Forget him. Since Socal was so kind as to point every SEO at warrior forums to a weak SEO related serp he could have ranked for himself (but chose to expose and highlight just to make a point of how great Senuke is) there will probably be other takers. I'm getting some Cali web hosting and a business address soon. Let the games begin.
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  • Profile picture of the author pinkgorilla
    Good post.

    I try to refrain from where possible to use automated tools and software to boost my sites SEO. I usually do a lot of manual back-linking myself, and if I have to do anything else I'll usually just outsource it.
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  • Profile picture of the author SoCal Digital
    So reading through all of your posts, you guys still haven't presented a solution like usual.

    You guys just talk like an authority and how Goldy you are at SEO and put down others.

    I am still waiting for a legitimate answer
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by SoCal Digital View Post

      So reading through all of your posts, you guys still haven't presented a solution like usual.

      You guys just talk like an authority and how Goldy you are at SEO and put down others.

      I am still waiting for a legitimate answer

      I don't know about the others but I am still waiting on the DNA report that shows I am related to you and so owe you a darn thing. I haven't heard anything from the lab yet.

      No one was putting you down by the way. They were however objecting to you trying to float that mass spam links still work after all the people that have had their sites hurt by them.

      Criticize that bit of irresponsibility? Yep.
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      Originally Posted by SoCal Digital View Post

      So reading through all of your posts, you guys still haven't presented a solution like usual.

      You guys just talk like an authority and how Goldy you are at SEO and put down others.

      I am still waiting for a legitimate answer
      Your jumping to conclusions....what makes you think any of them have one LOL
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  • Profile picture of the author SoCal Digital
    And I am not trying to argue, I am just really scratching my head wondering how things like this slip under the radar or what strategies really work/don't work.
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      Originally Posted by SoCal Digital View Post

      And I am not trying to argue, I am just really scratching my head wondering how things like this slip under the radar or what strategies really work/don't work.
      NO just demanding that you be taught how to rank in your own area for the very kind of service you claim to provide. Thats all :rolleyes:

      Your jumping to conclusions....what makes you think any of them have one LOL
      There you go. Hipeo will save the day with his traffic equal ranking theory. Just buy some traffic to your cali site, Google will see the traffic and voila you will rank.
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        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post


        There you go. Hipeo will save the day with his traffic equal ranking theory. Just buy some traffic to your cali site, Google will see the traffic and voila you will rank.
        hahah I knew you would be back...


        Now this is a jewel right here:

        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Google is going to crush tiered link building and once they do almost all the features of the automation software everyone loves will become dead weight. Theres just no way Google goes after everything that marketers use and then stop before destroying tiered link building.

        Its as simple as limiting the ability of pages with too a high ratio of unnatural links to pass juice.

        what about your lil buddy. godoverme? You just sentenced him to death if your right, Mike LOL...

        OH NO NO....GOY doesnt use mass link building software or tier backlinking strategies.....LOL


        also I dont buy traffic.
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          Originally Posted by hipeopo02 View Post

          OH NO NO....GOY doesnt use mass link building software or tier backlinking strategies.....LOL
          Always late to the party. Goy does do that but is already on record as using and exploring white hat techniques as well. BTW I felt left out last time. You didn't go after the SEO on my site (although I am sure you wil make the same rookie mistake in analyzing it that every newb who has tried has).
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            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            Always late to the party. Goy does do that but is already on record as using and exploring white hat techniques as well. BTW I felt left out last time. You didn't go after the SEO on my site (although I am sure you wil make the same rookie mistake in analyzing it that every newb who has tried has).
            Your keyword game is smart if Im seeing this right. nice domain.

            "rank"

            "learn"

            "earn"



            your backlink profile is clean.

            if that site is yours in your siggy. good job.
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              Originally Posted by hipeopo02 View Post


              your backlink profile is clean.

              if that site is yours in your siggy. good job.

              Oh my sweet niblets
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                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                Oh my sweet niblets
                I like your domain name better






                rank


                6,600

                Low

                $2.50





                learn


                27,100

                Low

                $1.91




                earn


                4,400

                Low

                $1.46




                the learn/earn oronym is a popular one
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                  Originally Posted by hipeopo02 View Post

                  I like your domain name better

                  Dude you are hopeless. The mistake every newb makes is that they think the site has been SEOed. The site has 2000+ links from WF. How you can dream that a link profile of thousands consisting of sig links is clean I have no idea.

                  The site is only for forum traffic. Like most experienced WF members here I would never link a site I SEOed to WF.
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                    Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                    Dude you are hopeless. The mistake every newb makes is that they think the site has been SEOed. The site has 2000+ links from WF. How you can dream that a link profile of thousands consisting of sig links is clean I have no idea.

                    The site is only for forum traffic. Like most experienced WF members here I would never link a site I SEOed to WF.
                    I'm saying your link profile doesn't LOOK spammy that's all.
                    having thousands of links from the same source is fine. having links from one country but gaining traffic from another is garbage.
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                Right on OP!

                This is exactly why I stopped frequenting this forum...

                It's filled with idiot$$$ advice.
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      Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

      This was my rant. Now everyone else has hijacked me.
      It's that the way it always goes with this crew Great rant BTW
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      Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

      This was my rant. Now everyone else has hijacked me.
      Shit gets real around here man. We have a few casualties in this thread and a few that went MIA. Im wearing my camo so you never see me until it's time to take shots. My advice would be to button up that bullet proof vest and run for cover when Mike and hipeo start goin at it.

      edit: This reminds me of the CTR theme saga lol
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        Originally Posted by dennis09 View Post

        Shit gets real around here man. We have a few casualties in this thread and a few that went MIA. Im wearing my camo so you never see me until it's time to take shots. My advice would be to button up that bullet proof vest and run for cover when Mike and hipeo start goin at it.

        edit: This reminds me of the CTR theme saga lol
        I just got a feeling that Nik0 might have felt I was taking a swing at him. And the type of service he offers. But I hope he knows its not.
        I see his service evolving in a whats working now way. So its not exactly bad. I've even tried sending customers his way. Hes not afraid to show his failures publicly. And display his attempts to correct the problems so others can follow.

        Where I'm more bitching about the one package fits all link seller. Senuke full monty shit. x3 for added powa

        So much love to Dennis


        But then with Mike and his PBN. I've never read his course so for all I know it could be complete horsecrap in there. Could be gold too. And from his posts on topics around PBN, I would think its a good product. I will accept a free review copy also
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