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How much would you pay for this domain?

by jxam69
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I'm looking at buying a domain with the following stats and I'm wondering what a fair price would be:

PR: 4
PA: 33
DA: 26
Moz Rank: 4.78
Citation Flow: 22
Trust Flow: 29
Linking domains: 98
Domain Age: 9 years

The domain is currently live - not expired.

I've checked the backlinks and they're legit - it has a few PR5 backlinks which are quite old and it seems likely they'll stick.

I'd appreciate any suggestions for what it's worth.
#domain #pay
  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Its very hard to give a price without seeing the full backlink profile. Is this an auction or a personal seller? Unfortunately the fair price in auctions has little to do with whether you will get it.

    As a range though I would say $150-$300 (yes some people go higher)

    Personally I won't go higher since I'd rather hunt down a PR5 for above that. Now if the PR4 had links that looked like a PR5 then I'd go higher especially since PR has not been updated in the better part of a year.

    Also whats the OBL on the PR5 links?
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    • Profile picture of the author jxam69
      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

      Its very hard to give a price without seeing the full backlink profile. Is this an auction or a personal seller? Unfortunately the fair price in auctions has little to do with whether you will get it.

      As a range though I would say $150-$300 (yes some people go higher)

      Personally I won't go higher since I'd rather hunt down a PR5 for above that. Now if the PR4 had links that looked like a PR5 then I'd go higher especially since PR has not been updated in the better part of a year.

      Also whats the OBL on the PR5 links?
      Thank you very much for you input - it's quite helpful.

      The number of OBLs on the PR5 pages that link to it varies between 4 and 9.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by jxam69 View Post

        Thank you very much for you input - it's quite helpful.

        The number of OBLs on the PR5 pages that link to it varies between 4 and 9.

        That pretty good. If as you say there are a few of those I would definitely negotiate with him
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  • Profile picture of the author Hossain
    Originally Posted by jxam69 View Post


    The domain is currently live - not expired.
    What make you to believe this domain is going to be sold publicly? You had better research using expireddomains or registercompass domains.
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    • Profile picture of the author jxam69
      Originally Posted by Hossain View Post

      What make you to believe this domain is going to be sold publicly? You had better research using expireddomains or registercompass domains.
      It's a private deal - I met the owner. He owns several websites and this is one he hasn't worked on for a couple of years and doesn't want anymore.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    You said the links are legit & the site is still live. If the site includes web pages/content or a service niche that can easily be monetized it's worth more than just a backlink. Can you sell any direct traffic the site is getting & still use the site for your personal backlinks?

    The Moz info. is unnecessary fluff.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      The Moz info. is unnecessary fluff.
      Sometimes your Moz hate just leads to nonsense Yuke

      A) The metrics listed are not all moz
      B) Since Pagerank has not updated in a long time the other metrics (sorry including Moz) are very valuable. If anything the pagerank is the unnecessary fluff
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Sometimes your Moz hate just leads to nonsense Yuke

        A) The metrics listed are not all moz
        B) Since Pagerank has not updated in a long time the other metrics (sorry including Moz) are very valuable. If anything the pagerank is the unnecessary fluff
        Try reading what you quote, I specifically said Moz info.

        PR trumps anything Moz can ever dream up.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          Try reading what you quote, I specifically said Moz info.

          PR trumps anything Moz can ever dream up.
          In your dreams Yukon. pagerank right now is crap for buying domains. It has not been updated in 8 months and no one knows whether it ever will be. You do not know what you are talking about. Please try an adsense thread. Buying domains and network setups is not your specialty and in this case your usual blind hatred of all things Moz is just terribly misleading.

          Any metric can be gamed but if you check the backlinks the correlation between DA with MR and pagerank is pretty good a lot of the times (especially when the backlink count is well under a thousand). You can refine that with Trustflow as the OP did but but the metrics have a lot of utility especially now with no PR toolbar update. To think otherwise is just kidding yourself.

          I know it just kills you that Moz has something useful but the whole hate thing doesn't replace the facts. Only people relying on what PR toolbar is telling them are domain buying novices.
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          • Profile picture of the author yukon
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            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            In your dreams Yukon. pagerank right now is crap for buying domains. It has not been updated in 8 months and no one knows whether it ever will be.
            Yet it's the only metric with any clout compared to anything Moz will ever dream up. Even If Google didn't update PR for the 50 next years, it would still be more than Moz is guessing at for SEO metrics.

            Your still using PR but it's no good for anything. Makes sense. :rolleyes:

            The day Google publicly supports the bogus Moz metrics, that's when I'll believe anything Moz does is worthy of looking at.
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            • Profile picture of the author Hossain
              Originally Posted by yukon View Post

              Yet it's the only metric with any clout compared to anything Moz will ever dream up. Even If Google didn't update PR for the 50 next years, it would still be more than Moz is guessing at for SEO metrics.

              Your still using PR but it's no good for anything. Makes sense. :rolleyes:

              The day Google publicly supports the bogus Moz metrics, that's when I'll believe anything Moz does is worthy of looking at.

              Yukon I am not challenging you but just curious why you think PR will be a good metric even if Google didn't update PR for the 50 next years? I personally cant find any logic behind this?
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              • Profile picture of the author yukon
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                Originally Posted by Hossain View Post

                Yukon I am not challenging you but just curious why you think PR will be a good metric even if Google didn't update PR for the 50 next years? I personally cant find any logic behind this?
                My point was Moz has a tendency to create fake metrics.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by yukon View Post

              Yet it's the only metric with any clout compared to anything Moz will ever dream up. Even If Google didn't update PR for the 50 next years, it would still be more than Moz is guessing at for SEO metrics.

              Bwahahahaha.

              What a TOTALLY ridiculous statement.

              Hey Yuke I got a bunch of PR4s and PR3s I can find to sell you. You can have them for $30 -$40. Shucks maybe even some PR5s. Mind you none of them have links and the DA and Mozrank is nada (because they update much more often) but since you are of the opinion that the PR metric is the most valuable I can sell them to you all day long. The market is full of them and yes newbs are buying them even though they lost all their links 6 months ago (and the sellers are not adding back squat). Why do they get away with it? because the PR toolbar has not updated and they are as duped as you are. Forget 50 years. IF google doesn't update in another 12-24 months I will sell you them for one penny above registration fees.

              Your still using PR but it's no good for anything. Makes sense. :rolleyes:
              I don't use PR for evaluating domains. You can't read. Right now the only value PR has in in the links and only because if you evaluate a number of them it is unlikely that all the Pr has been lost on all the links. If Google cracks a year without updating then that too will be near worthless and tool makers will have to start switching over to Moz and majestic data for that as well.

              The day Google publicly supports the bogus Moz metrics, that's when I'll believe anything Moz does is worthy of looking at.
              Who the flip cares about what Google supports?. When will you guys engage your brain. All metrics INCLUDING GOOGLE are based on links that are available on the net for ANY crawler to find, Furthermore its no mystery the kinds of sites google uses as its base sites. It does not take that much to mimic in broad terms how juice is flowed. Trustflow does a great job at this and Google has nothing to do with it either. You just plain -

              do not know what you are talking about. Stick to adsense. All that is happening is your well known Moz hate is making you make perfectly embarassing statements.
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              • Profile picture of the author yukon
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                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                Bwahahahaha.

                What a TOTALLY ridiculous statement.

                Hey Yuke I got a bunch of PR4s and PR3s I can find to sell you. You can have them for $30 -$40. Shucks maybe even some PR5s. Mind you none of them have links and the DA and Mozrank is nada (because they update much more often) but since you are of the opinion that the PR metric is the most valuable I can sell them to you all day long. The market is full of them and yes newbs are buying them even though they lost all their links 6 months ago (and the sellers are not adding back squat). Why do they get away with it? because the PR toolbar has not updated and they are as duped as you are. Forget 50 years. IF google doesn't update in another 12-24 months I will sell you them for one penny above registration fees.

                I don't use PR for evaluating domains. You can't read. Right now the only value PR has in in the links and only because if you evaluate a number of them it is unlikely that all the Pr has been lost on all the links. If Google cracks a year without updating then that too will be near worthless and tool makers will have to start switching over to Moz and majestic data for that as well.

                Who the flip cares about what Google supports?. When will you guys engage your brain. All metrics INCLUDING GOOGLE are based on links that are available on the net for ANY crawler to find, Furthermore its no mystery the kinds of sites google uses as its base sites. It does not take that much to mimic in broad terms how juice is flowed. Trustflow does a great job at this and Google has nothing to do with it either. You just plain -

                do not know what you are talking about. Stick to adsense. All that is happening is your well known Moz hate is making you make perfectly embarassing statements.
                No need to try & sell me your temporary link building schemes. I build long term sites that have real content & niche traffic, not fake crap that's waiting for a Google body slam.

                Save the sales pitch for the pipe dreamers.
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                • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                  Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                  No need to try & sell me your temporary link building schemes. I build long term sites that have real content & niche traffic, not fake crap that's waiting for a Google body slam.
                  You got blew up by that facts. Plain and simp. And um you know already you couldn't be my customer. I have said many times - I don't take MFAs

                  Originally Posted by Hossain View Post

                  just curious why you think PR will be a good metric even if Google didn't update PR for the 50 next years? I personally cant find any logic behind this?
                  There is no logic behind it. For background as far as I can tell Yukon started spouting his Moz hate ever since he found out he would need a credit card in order to get a trial of their SEOmoz service. That was a couple years back. Ever since then no matter what context Moz is brought up in he goes totally crazy at the mention of their name.
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  • Profile picture of the author hipeopo02
    Not enough info and unless Moz gets its own search engine its numbers mean nothing.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by hipeopo02 View Post

      Not enough info and unless Moz gets its own search engine its numbers mean nothing.
      Their not being a search engine makes no point whatsover. The metrics are based on real links that are out there on the web that Google also has in their index. Now the numbers may mean different things in their system but the reason third party metrics can be useful is because they share some of the same links that Google has in their index. Thats a far far way from nothing.

      In fact right about now third party metrics are MORE reliable than Google because Google has refused to update their PR metrics for the better part of a year. Plus Google has a vested interest in not giving accurate information to domain buyers where neither Moz nor Majestic have any reason to hide their data form buyers.

      That the reason why experienced buyers are in fact using other metrics besides Pagerank and have been for some time
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      • Profile picture of the author hipeopo02
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Their not being a search engine makes no point whatsover. The metrics are based on real links that are out there on the web that Google also has in their index.
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Now the numbers may mean different things in their system but the reason third party metrics can be useful is because they share some of the same links that Google has in their index.

        so...as long as Moz can use G's info it's good?

        I mean you are saying a portion of their data is based off of G, right?

        Why do they need to rely on any data from G?

        Does G use anything from Moz?


        Maybe I overspoke when I said Moz is useless but I would wait and try to get actual G info first.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by hipeopo02 View Post

          so...as long as Moz can use G's info it's good?

          I mean you are saying a portion of their data is based off of G, right?
          No I am not but theres no way to explain it to you any simpler. The links are on the net. Any and all links can be crawled by any crawler from any company. The links are not the property or the exclusive data of google. If you have the technology you can find every single link without asking Google for a thing.

          Add to that the fact that you can historically see which sites google use as their top sites and you can create a pretty good replica. its not exact to what google has but its comparable once you figure out how to use the metrics and compare them.


          Maybe I overspoke when I said Moz is useless but I would wait and try to get actual G info first.
          Why sure but are you getting it? The data you are looking at from google right now is is 8 months out of date. I can't see why you guys can't see something so drop down simple. Sure google is closest to knowing the metrics they rank with but what in the world good does that do if they are not now and have little incentive in the future to give you that accurate information?

          They know all the details of the algo as well. Waiting for them to tell you that too?
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  • Profile picture of the author johnben1444
    I'm with Mike on this, if it's just a domain name anything around $150 to $300 but it could go hire based on the individuals.

    However, if the site has content, monetized and receiving a specific amount of traffic it can run into thousands of dollars..

    Also, name can make a domain very pricey.

    Hope this helps....
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  • Profile picture of the author Ben Acharyaa
    I personally think if PR update doesnt happen in the next 12 months it will be very unrelliable. Even while checking backlinks, you cant expect all the links to maintain PR. Its definitely time for us to adapt and start looking at other metrics.

    I've been doing a lot of research regarding buying expired domains lately and its been very helpful to check DA/PA, TF/CF before checking its backlinks. Saves a lot of time. The PR bar shows its a PR 4 domain but when you run the domain on netpeak checker, its got 15 PA, 10 DA and 7 TF. yeah not worth it. Run the domain on seo spyglass and there's no good backlinks. So yeah if the DA/PA and CF/TF are low its definitely not what the PR bar shows.

    Sure the Moz metrics arent always reliable as it can be faked but using it with majesticseo's metrics has given me a good idea of how worthy a domain is. i'm starting to love these two companies and their stats.
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  • Profile picture of the author jonsain
    If, in your view have these type website and owner want to sale then in my view it cost should be minimum minimum $200.
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  • Profile picture of the author dotspiders
    i have seen all the information you must be provided for us, but i actually want the domain name after that i will decide how much i will pay for that.
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    I wonder if Mike and Yukon have AI working for them while they are wasting time arguing about something that is ... hm, really unimportant?
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  • Profile picture of the author johnbrown12
    you can do by yourself by using some SEO techniques....create a website by yourself ,if not sure buy backlinks and comments tool,don't waste your money
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    but it required little bit patience and of course lots of learning in the right direction
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    • Profile picture of the author hipeopo02
      Originally Posted by johnbrown12 View Post

      but it required little bit patience and of course lots of learning in the right direction
      No way is this guy the guy in the photo lol

      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

      The data you are looking at from google right now is is 8 months out of date.
      yes looking at the PR of a domain right now isn't worth much but I still do my own backlink profile research.
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