Penguin 2.1: Even more Negative SEO?

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Google made negative SEO possible - you know, that dirty little secret that no one talks about and that is frequently the explanation for why a site just won't rank no matter what - and now it seems easier than ever. Not only could you neg-SEO a site by spamming it with junk links, now it appears you can spam their Tier 1 links with thousands of garbage links per day and use that to take them down, confident that Web 2.0 platforms will make neg-SEO even harder, if not impossible, to track down the culprit.

On top of that it's now known that you can take down a site by 301'ing a penalized site to it. And as of today there are more penalized sites than ever!

Thoughts on this - is negative SEO going to become an even bigger problem than ever now?
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    SO then you got slapped by the last algo right?
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  • Profile picture of the author FrankRumbauskas
    Only on sites where I sent lots of automated link spam to Tier 1. On sites that were ranked with our network or with multi-tier where Tier 2 was all "white hat" so to speak and Tier 3 is the one that was blasted with links, those all survived.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by FrankRumbauskas View Post

      Only on sites where I sent lots of automated link spam to Tier 1. On sites that were ranked with our network or with multi-tier where Tier 2 was all "white hat" so to speak and Tier 3 is the one that was blasted with links, those all survived.
      That interesting . I have not seen this talked about much in regard to this updae but Cutts did says they were going after this a few months ago.. I suspect though that it will expand out with time to several tiers.
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      • Profile picture of the author FrankRumbauskas
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        That interesting . I have not seen this talked about much in regard to this updae but Cutts did says they were going after this a few months ago.. I suspect though that it will expand out with time to several tiers.
        I'm hearing a lot of similar experiences in other SEO forums. My guess is only sites where the Tier 1's where blasted with an obscene amount of links got hit.
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  • Profile picture of the author FrankRumbauskas
    BTW Mike I love your signature, so true about link networks!!! It almost works TOO well on local SEO, stuff ranks so fast the client thinks they're done and wants to cancel.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by FrankRumbauskas View Post

      so true about link networks!!! It almost works TOO well on local SEO, stuff ranks so fast the client thinks they're done and wants to cancel.
      Yeah not the first time I ran into such situations :S
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  • Profile picture of the author MatthewWoodward
    Originally Posted by FrankRumbauskas View Post

    Google made negative SEO possible - you know, that dirty little secret that no one talks about and that is frequently the explanation for why a site just won't rank no matter what - and now it seems easier than ever. Not only could you neg-SEO a site by spamming it with junk links, now it appears you can spam their Tier 1 links with thousands of garbage links per day and use that to take them down, confident that Web 2.0 platforms will make neg-SEO even harder, if not impossible, to track down the culprit.

    On top of that it's now known that you can take down a site by 301'ing a penalized site to it. And as of today there are more penalized sites than ever!

    Thoughts on this - is negative SEO going to become an even bigger problem than ever now?
    Welcome to SEO.

    I work with clients in finance/gambling niches that have dedicated negative SEO departments.

    Its only going to get worse, so strap in

    The 301 method doesn't work as well as it used to now though. You could use it for either positively ranking a site or negatively depending how you set the 301 up.
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  • Profile picture of the author Legit SEO
    I saw a site that was #1 yesterday get bumped to #11 overnight.
    This is a niche that a popular IM guy was doing a case study for so there are a lot of copycats and I'm assuming someone blasted the #1 guy with links. Gonna be interesting to see how all this pans out.
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  • Profile picture of the author johnben1444
    Negative SEO will be a problem for those who are in the vulnerable (likely spamming) niche like SEO, Social Media services such as YouTube views e.t.c.

    If you hang out on a decent niche where only cool people engage then you're likely to harbor in a safe environment.

    Not withstanding, negative SEO isn't much of a headache if you disregard the spamming links using Google Disavow and relevant authority links.
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    • Profile picture of the author Make Money Ninja
      Originally Posted by johnben1444 View Post

      Negative SEO will be a problem for those who are in the vulnerable (likely spamming) niche like SEO, Social Media services such as YouTube views e.t.c.

      If you hang out on a decent niche where only cool people engage then you're likely to harbor in a safe environment.

      Not withstanding, negative SEO isn't much of a headache if you disregard the spamming links using Google Disavow and relevant authority links.
      Where there is money, there is negative SEO.

      It's got really out of hand in gambling niches lately.

      I would welcome them to just devalue links instead of penalize. But realistically, i am not expecting that to happen.
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      Originally Posted by johnben1444 View Post

      If you hang out on a decent niche where only cool people engage then you're likely to harbor in a safe environment.
      Agreed.

      Some niches are full of the type of people that will try to screw over anyone in their path. It's just easier to target niches that don't attract the ruthless crowd.
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      • Profile picture of the author Make Money Ninja
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        Agreed.

        Some niches are full of the type of people that will try to screw over anyone in their path. It's just easier to target niches that don't attract the ruthless crowd.
        Subjective. I personally know people making $50k+ a month as gambling affiliates. I think the more money involved, it tends to attract more competitive/ruthless/best marketers.

        Personally i dont agree with negative SEO. But that doesn't really mean shit. I know on one of my sites i was ranking #1 and i knew the guy who had #2 and #3 negative SEOd me.

        So i basically got a list of his sites, then blasted them all to the hill. Its a bit like nuclear war in a way, mutually assured destruction lol. Which typically says more about the system than the players.

        If these practices become more mainstream, google might do a 180, but i doubt they will when they are only in the cutthroat verticals.

        In a sense, negative SEO is good for marketers, the more pravalent it becomes, the more Google will have to act to counteract it.
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        • Profile picture of the author yukon
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          Originally Posted by Make Money Ninja View Post

          Subjective. I personally know people making $50k+ a month as gambling affiliates. I think the more money involved, it tends to attract more competitive/ruthless/best marketers.

          Personally i dont agree with negative SEO. But that doesn't really mean shit. I know on one of my sites i was ranking #1 and i knew the guy who had #2 and #3 negative SEOd me.

          So i basically got a list of his sites, then blasted them all to the hill. Its a bit like nuclear war in a way, mutually assured destruction lol. Which typically says more about the system than the players.

          If these practices become more mainstream, google might do a 180, but i doubt they will when they are only in the cutthroat verticals.

          In a sense, negative SEO is good for marketers, the more pravalent it becomes, the more Google will have to act to counteract it.
          You proved my point.

          The gambling niche is full of ruthless people, as a comparison, the hobby niche wouldn't be blip on the radar as far as ruthless competition. Both niches are multi-billion dollar niches.

          Sure negative SEO can happen to any site in any niche, but the odds of negative SEO happening to the hobby niche (example) are nothing compared to niches like gambling, payday, pharma, insurance, etc...

          IMO it's easier to create long term sites in evergreen niches that doesn't draw in ruthless people.

          Doesn't make any sense to me to try & create a long term site with quality links in a niche that's full of competition waiting to attack the site.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by Make Money Ninja View Post

          Subjective. I personally know people making $50k+ a month as gambling affiliates. I think the more money involved, it tends to attract more competitive/ruthless/best marketers.
          t.
          Its not just the money involved it IS the kind of people involved. Payday loans, Gambling, even some porn niches have people that just want to exploit people's weaknesses or take them for a high priced ride. If they are willing to do that for a buck then yes they are going to have less constraints to deal ethically with a competitor.

          Sorry -just a fact of real life.

          Frankly I hope they all negatively SEO each other to death in the the gambling niches. The more the merrier. If you all nuke each other it makes Google look like geniuses.
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          • Profile picture of the author Make Money Ninja
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            Its not just the money involved it IS the kind of people involved. Payday loans, Gambling, even some porn niches have people that just want to exploit people's weaknesses or take them for a high priced ride. If they are willing to do that for a buck then yes they are going to have less constraints to deal ethically with a competitor.

            Sorry -just a fact of real life.

            Frankly I hope they all negatively SEO each other to death in the the gambling niches. The more the merrier. If you all nuke each other it makes Google look like geniuses.
            Its the same as MMO, human nature is flawed, everyone wants something for nothing. Ethically i think its better than mmo in a LOT of ways. Quite simply because everyone knows the risks of gambling, people know they can lose.

            In mmo you get complete scammers selling things that they KNOW cannot work, or making ridiculous promises. You get all kinds of gurus getting sued for false claims and shit like that.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by Make Money Ninja View Post


              In mmo you get complete scammers selling things that they KNOW cannot work, or making ridiculous promises. You get all kinds of gurus getting sued for false claims and shit like that.
              Up to a point Agreed but the one huge difference is that you can have worthwhile honest MMO courses. Frankly 90% of the scammers can be snuffed out with a little common sense. Gambling however is what it is 100% of the time and no need to kid yourself it IS based on the motivations - that this time against all odds you can be the winner.

              Plus even in a pretty bad MMO course you can still pick up something of value. You pick up nothing of value in the gambling niche unless you win and the odds are specifically designed to make sure the vast majority only have cash withdrawn from their accounts.
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              • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                Up to a point Agreed but the one huge difference is that you can have worthwhile honest MMO courses. Frankly 90% of the scammers can be snuffed out with a little common sense. Gambling however is what it is 100% of the time and no need to kid yourself it IS based on the motivations - that this time against all odds you can be the winner.

                Plus even in a pretty bad MMO course you can still pick up something of value. You pick up nothing of value in the gambling niche unless you win and the odds are specifically designed to make sure the vast majority only have cash withdrawn from their accounts.
                You know Mike

                Your like the Ned Flanders of SEO.

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                • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                  Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

                  You know Mike

                  Your like the Ned Flanders of SEO.

                  Which still beats being the Kevn Maguire of WF
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              • Profile picture of the author Make Money Ninja
                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                Up to a point Agreed but the one huge difference is that you can have worthwhile honest MMO courses. Frankly 90% of the scammers can be snuffed out with a little common sense. Gambling however is what it is 100% of the time and no need to kid yourself it IS based on the motivations - that this time against all odds you can be the winner.

                Plus even in a pretty bad MMO course you can still pick up something of value. You pick up nothing of value in the gambling niche unless you win and the odds are specifically designed to make sure the vast majority only have cash withdrawn from their accounts.
                I was a professional poker player from age 18 to 23 and won a LOT of money.

                But yeah i do agree, gambling in general is a negative sum game and the world would be better if it didnt exist. But you know what, it will always exist due to human natures flaws.

                Anyway, my problem with everything is that, you guys somehow seem to think that all the assholes are just in hardcore SEO niches. Thats simply not true. Gambling and pharma don't exactly have a monopoly on unethical behaviour, you will find douchebags everywhere.

                The fact of the matter is, if i so choose, i can ruin 95% of sites just by chucking crap links at them through my VPS. The system is seriously flawed.

                I could easily run a negative SEO business if i want and make big money taking out peoples competitors. I am not happy about doing such a thing morally (unless out of spite due to being attacked but thats another story).

                The system is flawed, simple as that.
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          • Profile picture of the author jinx1221
            I'm convinced they want that to happen in order to force sites into buying Adwords, and to force people to click Adwords for any variety other than the predictable Amazon, Best Buy etc.

            Like Norm said on Cheers, It's a dog eat dog world and I'm wearing milk bone underwear
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by jinx1221 View Post

              I'm convinced they want that to happen in order to force sites into buying Adwords, and to force people to click Adwords for any variety other than the predictable Amazon, Best Buy etc.

              Like Norm said on Cheers, It's a dog eat dog world and I'm wearing milk bone underwear

              Google cares.....only to the point where regular users get bad results consistently. After that yes. Its all about adwords.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by johnben1444 View Post

      If you hang out on a decent niche where only cool people engage then you're likely to harbor in a safe environment.
      This....No doubt about it. You hang out in certain niches and markets you end up with better clients and better competitors
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  • Profile picture of the author Make Money Ninja
    I am sure there is a lot of negative SEO going on in highly profitable hobby niches.

    For example, supplements and weight loss, lots of money there, lots of negative SEO there.

    Theres a correlation between serp value and negative SEO influence.

    Theres very little money in knitting, as such there is no negative SEO.

    Granted there are certain everygreen niches like you said, where you need to create 2000 page authority sites in order to make $200 a day, which is fine, and you are unlikely to be SEOd, but in order to make the big money, you need to deal with this shit. Or be a brand that is so big that your immune, or of course, not rely too heavily on SEO.

    Just an example in my niche, a massive brand (used to rank top 3 for bingo) was penalized by penguin 2.0. They do TV adverts all the time, their brand name gets 30k searches a month, they were either negative SEOd or penguin penalized, when you search their name now, the top 10 are just all affiliates, they don't even rank for their name.

    Personally i think it makes google look stupid, whether they will correct/stop this i dont know.

    I don't think we are really disagreeing. There are definitely certain niches that seem to attract "shit heads" though
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
    Its an insanity to know.

    I can kill your site for the price of a vps with GScraper and Xrumer pre-installed. $70..

    It would cost me $70 to take down your living...How disgusting does that sound?

    And thats pretty much where we are heading. The top of every SERP will be more like the march through the gates of Auschwitz. New sites only lasting weeks and de-indexed. As the larger authority sites continue to grow beyond their needs.

    Simply speaking, every small to medium site will be penalized out of existence. All placed in the never neverland called "disavow and reconsideration request". And when they get out, they'll get whacked again.

    It plays into the hands of Big Corpa and Google. As they chuggle along buying up whats valuable online and we destroy each other.

    Throw a big stick between them, and watch them fight to the death.

    We won't even talk about the report spam button.
    LOLZ

    BTW. You don't need neg SEO to take down a site. There are far easier and instant things that can cause a lot of damage. I would just never have the heart to do it. Its just bad karma.
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  • Profile picture of the author DPM70
    Theres very little money in knitting
    Classic IM warrior SEo doo-daah mistake.

    Thanks for pointing that out.
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      Originally Posted by DPM70 View Post

      Classic IM warrior SEo doo-daah mistake.

      Thanks for pointing that out.
      How many people making $100k month with knitting?

      How many people making $100k a month <insert seo niche>?

      The factor of successful people in money niches is much larger.

      Granted i made a sweeping statement, it is pretty accurate though for the most part. If theres 50 people making a living in the knitting niche and 5000 people making a living in the gambling niche, my statement isnt exactly wrong.
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      • Profile picture of the author DPM70
        Originally Posted by Make Money Ninja View Post

        How many people making $100k month with knitting?

        How many people making $100k a month <insert seo niche>?

        The factor of successful people in money niches is much larger.

        Granted i made a sweeping statement, it is pretty accurate though for the most part.
        I'll take your sweeping statement and I'll raise you $100 k
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by DPM70 View Post

      Classic IM warrior SEo doo-daah mistake.

      Thanks for pointing that out.
      Classic....and one of the chief reasons so many Imers fail. They are chasing only the most obvious niches that everyone else is targeting.

      I was a professional poker player from age 18 to 23 and won a LOT of money.
      and lost a ton more or you would not be doing what you are now.
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      Originally Posted by DPM70 View Post

      Theres very little money in knitting
      Classic IM warrior SEo doo-daah mistake.

      Thanks for pointing that out.
      That's exactly what I was talking about & I think that happens depending on how a person starts out in IM.

      I think a lot of IMers don't know what's possible in niches outside of MMO.

      I don't mean any disrespect to anyone that's in the cut throat niches, to each his own. Me, I'm sticking with the niches where I can build long term sites/pages that don't have much of a problem ranking for years in the SERPs. Maybe I'm lazy but I don't like doing the same work more than once. There's always going to be competition in every niche, but some niches just don't have the mean streak like gambling, etc...
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    There is more money in gambling than in knitting. I win.
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    • Profile picture of the author DPM70
      Originally Posted by Make Money Ninja View Post

      There is more money in gambling than in knitting. I win.
      There is more money LOST in gambling. I raise you a garter stitch.
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      • Profile picture of the author Make Money Ninja
        Originally Posted by DPM70 View Post

        There is more money LOST in gambling. I raise you a garter stitch.
        Why are you so anti gambling, ayn rand is a great believe in free will and non aggression. People are free to choose how to spend their money as they want.
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        • Profile picture of the author DPM70
          Originally Posted by Make Money Ninja View Post

          Why are you so anti gambling, ayn rand is a great believe in free will and non aggression. People are free to choose how to spend their money as they want.
          Where did I say I was anti gambling?
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          • Profile picture of the author Make Money Ninja
            Originally Posted by DPM70 View Post

            Where did I say I was anti gambling?
            You just seem it.

            Why make pedantic little picks at my statements. Its quite obvious there are more successful people in money niches than hobby niches.

            It may be possible to earn a living in a knitting niche. But you can do much worse things than encouraging people to make websites in niches that don't have a lot of money in it.

            It makes me sick how many people encourage people to just do what they like. Most of the stuff people like, has no money in it. Following the money is actually pretty damn smart if you want to become wealthy.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by Make Money Ninja View Post

              It makes me sick how many people encourage people to just do what they like. Most of the stuff people like, has no money in it. Following the money is actually pretty damn smart if you want to become wealthy.
              Silliness - not even close to being smart. People who have made the most money in this world have been people who innovated and did something different not just followed where everybody else and his dog thought the money was.


              I understand that you made a shed-load of dollars in the gambling niches previously.
              better you than me. One thing I never believe on this forum are income claims of any kind without evidence (which usually is nowhere to be found outside of the posters claims). In fact the only people on here I know to be .making good money are the ones that never make any income claims. They don't desire to and don't feel a need to. The money itself is enough for their egos.
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  • Profile picture of the author DPM70
    Its quite obvious there are more successful people in money niches than hobby niches.
    I just think you need to stop selling whatever tat they're selling you. I know you're one of the good guys in disseminating decent SEO. I understand that you made a shed-load of dollars in the gambling niches previously.

    It makes me sick how many people encourage people to just do what they like. Most of the stuff people like, has no money in it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Scritty
    I watched along with a couple of other guys in one of my niches as the links poured in. Over a 48 hour period 4 days ago around 22,000 links witnessed by majestic seo update a day or so later. Also the number of ping back notifications pouring into the sites notification area. Looking at them it was a $70 dollar tool. Destroyed my rankings by last night. Not that I care that much. Google provide less than 20% of my buying traffic. And that's my take away. If Google is this dumb and so easy to con.... You'd be better off not relying on them at all.
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      Originally Posted by Scritty View Post

      I watched along with a couple of other guys in one of my niches as the links poured in. Over a 48 hour period 4 days ago around 22,000 links witnessed by majestic seo update a day or so later. Also the number of ping back notifications pouring into the sites notification area. Looking at them it was a $70 dollar tool. Destroyed my rankings by last night. Not that I care that much. Google provide less than 20% of my buying traffic. And that's my take away. If Google is this dumb and so easy to con.... You'd be better off not relying on them at all.
      so true..

      still there are ppl that google makes much more of buying traffic for them and only thing they can do is disavowing and waiting forever for G to check it out
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