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I'm completely lost with SEO now!

by Legit SEO
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I've spent almost $500 on a new site. It has awesome unique charts on my homepage, made a YouTube video and embedded it, has plenty of images. It has 5 well-written pages that I'm adding to every week.

Backlinking:
High PR homepage links on niche relevant sites
Social likes/shares
Other "high quality" backlinks

I've been building sites for 6+ years now, this is probably the best foundation for a site I've ever made and also I've never spent more than $100 on SEO.

However this site is on page 5 still! If I had put this much time & effort on a site in 2010 it would be sitting strong at #1 no doubt in my mind.
It's almost like backlinks don't even matter now...or good content...or social shares, because I have all of that!

Very frustrating, and I'm just being honest here, I'm lost and confused about how the hell to rank nowadays. Would be nice to hear if anybody else is having these same problems, instead of forum addicts that just post rehashed methods that haven't worked in years.:p
#completely #lost #seo
  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    How old is the site?
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  • Profile picture of the author linkbuildr
    Of the links you have, how many did you earn naturally because you have a great site, great content and do something different?

    99% of the time I see a client who thinks their site is really good, they're oblivious.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nuke07
    Could you PM me your site so that i can take a look
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    • Profile picture of the author Legit SEO
      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

      How old is the site?
      2 months, I'm sure that's one thing that's holding it back.
      home page is PA:34, DA: 21 already though


      Originally Posted by linkbuildr View Post

      Of the links you have, how many did you earn naturally because you have a great site, great content and do something different?

      99% of the time I see a client who thinks their site is really good, they're oblivious.
      0 natural links
      It's a review site for a product that has been around for centuries, not really anything new or exciting you can do for link bait there.
      I have a nice unique chart comparing the top 3 but that's about it.
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  • Profile picture of the author dennis09
    Not enough info. I have no idea how competitive your keyword is. You say the product has been around forever so I take it it's a popular item right? In that case I'd imagine it to be pretty competitive and 2 months just isn't enough time.

    And how much have you spent on SEO for this particular site? I'm asking because a little more than $100 won't cut it for good links.
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    • Profile picture of the author sunlounger10004
      You need to give more info on the competitiveness of the keyword bro, aside from that there is never a one size fit solution when it comes to SEO. Maybe spending $100 will work on one keyword/site combo but it won't work on this.
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      • Profile picture of the author the brewer
        As I don't have access to your site as a general rule a few others things you may want to take a look at are:

        Bounce Rate - Bounce rate is more important to SEO now. If you have a high bounce rate then Google may not deem your site that relevant.

        Load Speed - I'm guessing you have this covered but if you site takes too long to load it will effect your bounce rate too.

        Internal Linking - Do you have relevant internal linking and does it look natural?

        Video Embed - Are you using YouTube old embed code so the video is wrapped by <object> not <iframe>?

        Social - Do your social shares all look natural i.e. consistent and spread out over time?

        Hope these help and that you find a solution.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
          Originally Posted by the brewer View Post


          Bounce Rate - Bounce rate is more important to SEO now. If you have a high bounce rate then Google may not deem your site that relevant.

          Load Speed - I'm guessing you have this covered but if you site takes too long to load it will effect your bounce rate too.

          Internal Linking - Do you have relevant internal linking and does it look natural?

          Video Embed - Are you using YouTube old embed code so the video is wrapped by <object> not <iframe>?

          Social - Do your social shares all look natural i.e. consistent and spread out over time?
          Outside of Load Speed, which would be a peripheral ranking factor even heavy page weight. There is nothing in your list of factors that would be a prerequisite to ranking any page.

          @OP
          I have a site in a similar situation atm, seems the SERPs are sticking everything to page 2 forever. I know this niche very well and know exactly what it should take to rank #1 as I have 4 pages up there already 1-4.

          But looking at my comp, I'm pretty much seeing them stuck too. So I'm putting it down to the algo right now just sorting out the last update before things start moving up again.

          At least I hope thats whats going on..
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          • Profile picture of the author online only
            Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

            @OP
            I have a site in a similar situation atm, seems the SERPs are sticking everything to page 2 forever. I know this niche very well and know exactly what it should take to rank #1 as I have 4 pages up there already 1-4.

            But looking at my comp, I'm pretty much seeing them stuck too. So I'm putting it down to the algo right now just sorting out the last update before things start moving up again.

            At least I hope thats whats going on..
            Get some PR10 contextual homepage links ASAP!!!
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          • Profile picture of the author yukon
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            Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

            Outside of Load Speed, which would be a peripheral ranking factor even heavy page weight. There is nothing in your list of factors that would be a prerequisite to ranking any page.
            Actually internal links can be just as powerful as external links. Example, If you rank one internal page for the keyword auto insurance (example) which is very competitive, you could piggyback off that 1st ranked page & rank a 2nd internal page for the keyword best auto insurance chicago (example). Obviously competition for the 2nd keyword would be a factor to look at but the 1st keyword would most likely be more competitive which would already have more than enough juice to rank the 2nd relevant page/keyword. Still need external links to get the ball rolling, but those external links can pass authority to other internal pages.
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            • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
              Originally Posted by yukon View Post

              Actually internal links can be just as powerful as external links. Example, If you rank one internal page for the keyword auto insurance (example) which is very competitive, you could piggyback off that 1st ranked page & rank a 2nd internal page for the keyword best auto insurance chicago (example). Obviously competition for the 2nd keyword would be a factor to look at but the 1st keyword would most likely be more competitive which would already have more than enough juice to rank the 2nd relevant page/keyword. Still need external links to get the ball rolling, but those external links can pass authority to other internal pages.
              ACTUALLY

              You should read my damn post then. Especially the second line its epic.

              "There is nothing in your list of factors that would be a prerequisite to ranking any page.

              Like not needed, might help, but not needed.

              SKIDUUSH




              Originally Posted by online only View Post

              Get some PR10 contextual homepage links ASAP!!!
              Psssh PR12 is my cut off, you know this.....

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              • Profile picture of the author yukon
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                Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

                ACTUALLY

                You should read my damn post then. Especially the second line its epic.

                "There is nothing in your list of factors that would be a prerequisite to ranking any page.

                Like not needed, might help, but not needed.

                SKIDUUSH






                Psssh PR12 is my cut off, you know this.....

                And you KNOW this MAN! - YouTube

                You'll need internal or external links one way or the other. My point was If a site already has existing pages ranked then the next page/keyword that's relevant gets easier to rank from the existing links it took to rank the 1st page.

                Use The Force Luke...


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                • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
                  Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                  You'll need internal or external links one way or the other.
                  My point is your point is totally off-topic

                  I'm all for the Piggybacking. But not in groups of more then 4 people, and a prerequisite of 3 females.
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          • Profile picture of the author the brewer
            Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

            Outside of Load Speed, which would be a peripheral ranking factor even heavy page weight. There is nothing in your list of factors that would be a prerequisite to ranking any page.
            I was just saying that these are other factors to look at.

            I have a lot of time for what Neil Patel writes over a Quick Sprout and most of what I listed was what he advises to help with ranking.
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            • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
              Originally Posted by the brewer View Post

              I was just saying that these are other factors to look at.

              I have a lot of time for what Neil Patel writes over a Quick Sprout and most of what I listed was what he advises to help with ranking.
              Just because it been written, doesn't make it right.

              What you need to rank a page:

              1: Plain Text
              2: Backlinks (Depending on competition)

              Everything else is just fluff... Go ask the ...cough cough "Guru" Neil, what he thinks of that.
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  • Profile picture of the author johnben1444
    What type of home page backlinks are you directing to your site and what is their OBL?

    I see a lot of people mistaking quality links for trash..
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  • Profile picture of the author xenter
    How long are your posts? How detailed are they? And what kind of keywords are you targeting?
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      Who told you that if you do x,y, and z, then somehow your site will rank?
      Stop listening to them. I find it quite funny that people answer this with,
      oh yeah, just do....and you'll get there!

      Insane. We know nothing about the site, niche, the site's history, the site owner,
      the sites structure, keywords, keyword analysis, etc. etc. ,
      nor do we know anything about the pages on 1 to 4!!!!!!!!!!!

      In case you don't know that not every site can rank on page one, well,
      now you know.

      There is no magical formula, and a good lot of what you have done has zip
      to do with rankings in google.

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