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I have an existing site and the entire thing was http://www.mysite.com and it had first page rankings all over. Then it was restated into a new skin...all the urls, content, meta, headlines, etc. is exactly the same BUT we installed an ssl and now all the pages have https://www.mysite.com.

All traffic has stopped and the rankings are gone.

So my question is this....is Google considering every page on the site as NEW since we moved from http to https?

Thanks

Slap
#http #https
  • Profile picture of the author webdevpro
    These might be considered as different urls and you should implement the 301 redirections from http to https to preserve the rankings/indices.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Originally Posted by slappytheking View Post

    I have an existing site and the entire thing was http://www.mysite.com and it had first page rankings all over. Then it was restated into a new skin...all the urls, content, meta, headlines, etc. is exactly the same BUT we installed an ssl and now all the pages have https://www.mysite.com.

    All traffic has stopped and the rankings are gone.
    SSL is for secured pages, you've basically told Google your whole site is a secured site, like an ecommerce checkout page (private data).

    Why do you need SSL on the whole site?
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  • Profile picture of the author affilorama-portal
    Hi Slap,

    Yes since you changed your links from http to https- Google is now considering your links (https format) as new links. This explains why your traffic has dropped.

    And yes the resolution to this it to apply 301 redirect but you may also temporarily experience a drop in your rankings.

    Another option is to apply canonical to your http and https pages. This will accomplish the same thing as 301, only that both pages will appear in search.
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  • Profile picture of the author slappytheking
    ....exactly what I thought guys. Thanks for confirming! I personally didn't do this, I was brought onto a project where I worked on this site years ago, got them 1st page rankings....they restated to a new skin....then pushed the SSL to every page. Yukon....your question is mine as well....

    I do not see the old http pages in the cache/index....thus leading me to believe that the old pages were taken down....replaced with the new https....and now they are starting from scratch with rankings.

    Thanks gents.....

    Slap
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by slappytheking View Post

      ....exactly what I thought guys. Thanks for confirming! I personally didn't do this, I was brought onto a project where I worked on this site years ago, got them 1st page rankings....they restated to a new skin....then pushed the SSL to every page. Yukon....your question is mine as well....

      I do not see the old http pages in the cache/index....thus leading me to believe that the old pages were taken down....replaced with the new https....and now they are starting from scratch with rankings.

      Thanks gents.....

      Slap
      If you have a backup of the entire site, get the backup online ASAP. Google will usually rank the pages again in their old SERP positions. If whoever owns the site drags their feet on getting that backup live they're pretty much guaranteed to have to start over with all their SEO.

      I try & tell people, when a page is already ranked don't play around with URLs.
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      • Profile picture of the author slappytheking
        ....it's been over a month my man....they just brought this issue to my attention....
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        • Profile picture of the author yukon
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          Originally Posted by slappytheking View Post

          ....it's been over a month my man....they just brought this issue to my attention....
          Well, they made an expensive mistake, live & learn...
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          • Profile picture of the author slappytheking
            Totally Y.......couldn't agree more. It suck but it is what it is....
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  • Profile picture of the author UMS
    Just to make it clear

    http://example.com/somepage

    and

    https://example.com/somepage

    can serve up completely different content as they are effectively completely different URLs.

    Although, there are a lot of websites where http and https mirror each other, apart from some transaction pages.
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  • Profile picture of the author paulgl
    Dumb question, but do you have a valid certificate?

    A lot of sites are going to all https, not just ecommerce.
    Twitter, FB, etc. even google.

    Thing is, there is no reason for a normal everyday site to do it.

    You should have done a 301 redirect for everything, and, make sure
    your server is now faster and have a good data plan. Not an issue
    yet, as you are getting no traffic.

    Anyone worth their salt would have started slowly, made sure it was
    google-friendly and transferring, before going whole hog.

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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

      ... would have started slowly, made sure it was
      google-friendly and transferring, before going whole hog.

      Paul
      I think that ship has sailed, lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author johnben1444
    Paul and others have a good point here...

    You either revert to your old site and regain your ranking. If it doesn't rank you should build some top notch backlinks..

    Or do a redirect and still backlink if it doesn't come up after a couple of weeks..
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  • Profile picture of the author affilorama-portal
    This 'could work' but not sure though as I have not really tried this yet: If you have the old sitemap (the one you had for http), then you can resubmit that AFTER you applied the 301 redirect. Google can still re-index your old links if you submit the sitemap to them.
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  • Profile picture of the author arindamroy
    Hi,
    I am newbie in the SEO field. I have a little bit of knowledge about SEO. All my friends are saying that both are different URLs in the eye of Google. It might be.
    But I knew that both are same in the eye of Google. Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author wbakhos
    I'd like to butt in here..

    There is a perfectly valid reason to have the whole site https if at some point the user will be taken to a https page (CC, checkout, whatever).

    Basically when a user goes from http -> https all link/url attributes are stripped which means that all your tracking is lost. So if you are tracking your sources diligently or using tagged links to drive traffic from different sources you want to ensure that you understand the user flow throughout the whole website without any breakages.

    If there is a http -> https jump then your source will no longer be attributed to that user and will be regarded either as a Referral (from your own domain mydomain.com) or it will be recorded as 'Direct' traffic. Useless data.

    There is nothing worse than spending all the time and efforts to track, only to have 2 conversion sources, Referral and Direct.. which tells you nothing about what is actually working. Therefore having a site fully https is legitimate for some webmasters.

    I do it because I want to track everything and I do have an SSL for internal pages so it makes sense to https the lot.

    So before jumping back on the http bandwagon find out whether there is a https element of your site thats important for your user flow and traffic tracking.

    But definitely sort out the 301 redirects.. thats why your traffic dropped.. not the https.
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  • Profile picture of the author chev
    https is the secure connect. it benefits in convey secure consumption by visitor.Http Is the non-secure connection that not encrypted
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan Grossman
    What you should do, even if it's been a long time, is 301 redirect the http:// URLs to the https:// version of the same URL. It's just one or two lines in your .htaccess file to do that.

    https does not mean "this is an ecommerce site" or anything other than "the connection to this site will be encrypted". Many of the sites you use every day are HTTPS-by-default, including Google, Facebook, Gmail, Wikipedia (if you have an account), Internet Archive. HTTP version 2.0's current draft will have the entire web encrypted by default outside of intranets.

    I moved Improvely from http:// to https:// months ago to improve organic traffic tracking accuracy. No search listings or ranks changed at all, Google just updated the links when it saw the 301 redirects. Search traffic never went down.

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