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"If it doesnt have any backlinks then the PR is fake" blahabah.....

by hipeopo02
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Dynamax Imaging, LLC

or the business was real.

You idiot's looking for domains better broaden your horizons
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  • Profile picture of the author patadeperro
    I dont understand the porpouse of your post, but I think you are trying to say that you can get PR without backlinks?, if that is the case you are LOST this domains have at least 69 backlinks that is the origin of the PR4

    Or what is the point of this "post"?
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
    Originally Posted by hipeopo02 View Post

    .....blahblahblahblah

    Dynamax Imaging, LLC

    or the business was real.

    You idiot's looking for domains better broaden your horizons
    What are you talking about with this one?

    Domains a PR4
    Got links
    Got lots of redirects into it

    Confused :confused::confused::confused:
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Lol...poor kid

    I get this from time to time from customers who I build networks for. They check a domain I send them without the "www" at say open site explorer and see no links and start drawing conclusions

    Then they go back when I tell them to check again with the "www" and never hear back on that subject again.

    Its kind of rough when your in your face thread to call out everyone as idiots turns out to be the best example that they were right and you were wrong
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  • Profile picture of the author Oscarfishlover
    Please feel free to remove the link in this thread, although it is not my intention to spam. Mind you, I don't think anyone here would be really interested in joining anyway.

    Anyway, talking about PR. I set this website up in August, it has approximately 99 back links and it has a PR of 4. Don't ask me how this happened, that is what I have been trying to work out myself. it took nearly 6 years for another one of my websites to get the same page rank, and that has about 30,000 back links.

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  • Profile picture of the author hipeopo02
    HAHAHAHA The response on this thread...

    That domain's backlink profile is DOG SHIT AND YOU KNOW IT. LOL.

    This is one more proof point that you White Hat SEO "Link Hustlers" days are numbered and the real black hats like me are breaking into the mainstream market...HA.

    I'm learning this SEO nonsense little by little LOL....
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      I'm not going to get in with fake PR or not on that domain.

      But your premise about no backlinks = fake PR is something that
      no true internet-seo-savvy person would ever say.

      As soon as a page is cached by google, it has PR.

      Google never shows all links that count.

      One never knows the exact links or ways that google uses
      those links to extract PR.

      We(the public) never know the true PR of a page.

      Note: page. Domains do not have PR.

      One can actually achieve decent PR by internal backlinking alone.
      Many are under the false assumption that internal links are not
      backlinks.

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      • Profile picture of the author hipeopo02
        Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

        I'm not going to get in with fake PR or not on that domain.

        But your premise about no backlinks = fake PR is something that
        no true internet-seo-savvy person would ever say.

        As soon as a page is cached by google, it has PR.

        Google never shows all links that count.

        One never knows the exact links or ways that google uses
        those links to extract PR.

        We(the public) never know the true PR of a page.

        Note: page. Domains do not have PR.

        One can actually achieve decent PR by internal backlinking alone.
        Many are under the false assumption that internal links are not
        backlinks.

        Paul
        ok I mean the backlink profile is a bunch of PR N/A and one decent 4. So that's all it takes? That doesn't make sense.

        Originally Posted by paulgl View Post


        One can actually achieve decent PR by internal backlinking alone.
        Many are under the false assumption that internal links are not
        backlinks.

        Paul
        Now THIS is something I want to know about. Since each page has its own rank it makes sense but how can you just generate PR internally?
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        • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
          Originally Posted by hipeopo02 View Post

          ok I mean the backlink profile is a bunch of PR N/A and one decent 4. So that's all it takes? That doesn't make sense.
          According to Majestic SEO that site has had links that were from good-looking sites (that have PR5-7 for their front page at least). And binghamton.edu I'm seeing with Ahrefs is PR7 for the front page.

          I guess my definition of "dog shit" is a bit different from yours.
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          • Profile picture of the author hipeopo02
            Originally Posted by nettiapina View Post

            According to Majestic SEO that site has had links that were from good-looking sites (that have PR5-7 for their front page at least). And binghamton.edu I'm seeing with Ahrefs is PR7 for the front page.

            I guess my definition of "dog shit" is a bit different from yours.
            The links aren't on the front page. They are on inner "N/A" pages like this

            You better hope our definition of "dog shit" is the same.
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            • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
              Originally Posted by hipeopo02 View Post

              You better hope our definition of "dog shit" is the same.
              I guess I could go for quadruple facepalm, but I'm just going to refer you to post number #5.

              I know a much more "interesting" PR4 with only a handful of current backlinks, and most of them not very good. The best and only notable links are from their corporate site (front PR5, linking page PR4) and industry association (very similar, linking page PR3). I know those guys so unfortunately I can't share the link with you. This is the kind of profile makes me a bit worried, although I'm too new to pass judgement on that.
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      • Profile picture of the author Oscarfishlover
        Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

        I'm not going to get in with fake PR or not on that domain.

        But your premise about no backlinks = fake PR is something that
        no true internet-seo-savvy person would ever say.

        As soon as a page is cached by google, it has PR.

        Google never shows all links that count.

        One never knows the exact links or ways that google uses
        those links to extract PR.

        We(the public) never know the true PR of a page.

        Note: page. Domains do not have PR.

        One can actually achieve decent PR by internal backlinking alone.
        Many are under the false assumption that internal links are not
        backlinks.

        Paul
        To be perfectly honest, I don't really pay a lot of attention to PR, never have done. The proof is in the eating as far as concerned, I look at analytics and that gives me all the information I need.

        If what you say about PR is correct, then what is the point of having these add-ons that give us page rank?
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    • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
      Originally Posted by hipeopo02 View Post

      HAHAHAHA The response on this thread...

      That domain's backlink profile is DOG SHIT AND YOU KNOW IT. LOL.

      This is one more proof point that you White Hat SEO "Link Hustlers" days are numbered and the real black hats like me are breaking into the mainstream market...HA.

      I'm learning this SEO nonsense little by little LOL....
      I just showed you one example of why it's a PR4. Or have you decided to overlook that as you troll?

      See for yourself

      Google search:

      intext:dynamax-imaging.com

      Your thread was a fail man, just deal with it and move on.

      Originally Posted by hipeopo02 View Post

      Now THIS is something I want to know about. Since each page has its own rank it makes sense but how can you just generate PR internally?
      This kind of says it all but, Jokes aside...are you drunk when you come on to WF, and are just here for a laugh?
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      • Profile picture of the author hipeopo02
        Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

        I just showed you one example of why it's a PR4. Or have you decided to overlook that as you troll?

        See for yourself

        Google search:

        intext:dynamax-imaging.com

        Your thread was a fail man, just deal with it and move on.

        One PR4 Link is all it takes to make another? FCUK THAT
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        • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
          Originally Posted by hipeopo02 View Post

          One PR4 Link is all it takes to make another? FCUK THAT
          Nah man that was just one link I found that does not show up on your free majesticseo account. Those things never find half of the actual links to a page. Do the intext search you'll see a few thousand links, and those are just the ones with raw url as anchor text.

          But yeah it is kinda that simple with PR, that's why you cant just trust that alone or trust any backlink checker completely either. You have check all sorts of crap to find the real value.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

            Nah man that was just one link I found that does not show up on your free majesticseo account. Those things never find half of the actual links to a page
            Plus we are talking Pagerank that has been updated seldom and the last with old data. Thats the very reason why we say to check the backlinks (which the OP calls blablaba like he swore he had disproven with this domain). Might turn out to be a PR3 at the next update.
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            • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              Plus we are talking Pagerank that has been updated seldom and the last with old data. Thats the very reason why we say to check the backlinks (which the OP calls blablaba like he swore he had disproven with this domain). Might turn out to be a PR3 at the next update.
              I'd say it will stick, Did another text search on the article posted on

              Governor Cuomo Announces Dynamax Imaging to Remain in New York with New Location at CNSE's Smart System Technology and Commercialization Center of Excellence | Governor Andrew M. Cuomo

              And that shit got syndicated out to a bunch of sites. God knows how many links they picked up that are in the supplemental search.

              The very same kind of thing happened to me last year when I was just starting my site. I coughed up some good $$$ to have an article written for medical research. The thing ended up being picked up and syndicated by 2 city US news sites, and brought me in over 4k links. Site was less then 2 months old at the time and went from N/A to PR4 in the first update.
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
          Originally Posted by hipeopo02 View Post

          One PR4 Link is all it takes to make another?
          It can take just one.

          PR is calculated on a logarithmic, not linear, scale (look it up if you don't know what that means), and it is calculated out to several decimals at least. So the page the link is from might be have a PR of 4.85. Depending on the scale that Google is using (and nobody knows for sure), a 4.85 might be 10 or even 20 times as strong as a PR 4.00. It could be even more.

          So yeah, one PR 4.85 link might create a PR 4.00 page.
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          • Profile picture of the author hipeopo02
            Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

            It can take just one.

            PR is calculated on a logarithmic, not linear, scale (look it up if you don't know what that means), and it is calculated out to several decimals at least. So the page the link is from might be have a PR of 4.85. Depending on the scale that Google is using (and nobody knows for sure), a 4.85 might be 10 or even 20 times as strong as a PR 4.00. It could be even more.

            So yeah, one PR 4.85 link might create a PR 4.00 page.
            Ok that pretty much answers it. Yeah a letter from the Govenor could be PR4.99999999999 for all I know
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            • Profile picture of the author nik0
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              Any idea why Ahrefs is showing that link like this:

              http://184.106.78.18/press/03112013-dynamax-imaging

              and not loading
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            • Profile picture of the author IMdeaming
              Originally Posted by hipeopo02 View Post

              Ok that pretty much answers it. Yeah a letter from the Govenor could be PR4.99999999999 for all I know
              A letter from Jesus says he's right.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by hipeopo02 View Post

      HAHAHAHA The response on this thread...
      Not even a good try........You still have egg all over your face.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Agreed, it only takes a single link to create that PR4. They have good links, one from Clemson.

    The PR4 could actually be higher/lower on the next public PR update.

    How do you know they didn't lose links?

    How do you know your looking at 100% of their links (you don't know, nobody knows)?
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  • Profile picture of the author IMdeaming
    I just came here to laugh. Cool story bro.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Legit edu links pointing at a relevant site & the links are junk.

    Roger, Roger.




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    • Profile picture of the author hipeopo02
      Originally Posted by IMdeaming View Post

      A letter from Jesus says he's right.
      post up the link or at least state the PR.

      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Legit edu links pointing at a relevant site & the links are junk.
      They hold no pagerank. EDU PR N/A have value?
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      • Profile picture of the author IMdeaming
        Originally Posted by hipeopo02 View Post

        post up the link or at least state the PR.
        He also said that he ain't postin no links.
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  • Profile picture of the author hipeopo02
    Is this what you do?

    If you lose on one thread you dig up an old one? I never saw that letter from the governor but that's it. Outside of that link you can't honestly tell me this backlink profile is good? I also never understood the PR logrithmic scale that much but I just got a free lesson so F it. Fair trade.
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  • Profile picture of the author danparks
    This thread may have fallen apart. But there's one little part of it that might deserve some more conversation. There's some stuff in here about the value of backlinks, and it kind of relates to negative SEO. Probably worthy of a separate topic. I'm sure a lot of people don't care for what hipeopo02 has to say because he (I assume "he") is involved in blackhat. As someone who does SEO that isn't blackhat (I guess you'd call it "gray hat" since it isn't too dirty, but still involves trying to game Google somewhat through private blog networks), I of course am opposed to blackhat. But I live in the real world of SEO and, much to my disappointment, blackhat - negative SEO in particular - is real, and it works.

    A year or so ago I didn't believe it really worked. About 8 months ago or so I had a client site that was hit with negative SEO (about 50,000 spam blog comments with anchor text including "porn" and "cheap viagra" and such). It didn't work. Ha! Negative SEO doesn't work. About two months ago the same client got hit with a similar attack, and it worked. Several Google Page 1 SERPs fell to the hundreds. Never recovered. Same again for a second site. Same again for a third site. I foolishly had faith that Google's algoritm could spot, and disregard, a short burst of tens of thousands of spam comments. These engineers at Google are smart, and it's pretty obvious to a human when a negative SEO attack occurs - so these guys should be able to work it into their algorithm to also see what's an obvious negative SEO attack.

    Don't believe me? Look at the several very recent threads here about people asking what to do about their site being spammed. Use Google disavow? Start a new site? Use redirects? I didn't believe it before, but I do now. Negative SEO is very real. And it's not just happening on "questionable" niches. I took a look at some of the spam backlink sites, and in addition to the client site that got spammed, there were huge numbers of bad backlinks to many other sites, including rather bland businesses that one wouldn't think would be real competitive and subject to this negative stuff. I wouldn't want to be running a house painting business in Southern Florida right now - I saw thousands of spam "porn" backlinks to all the top ranking sites in that niche. So, if someone says "you're in a shady niche, what do you expect...", no, you're wrong. A house painting business should expect to not be able to create a website for local business and have it rank or not rank in a natural way?

    I didn't believe it before, but I do now. Negative SEO can destroy just about any site, in any niche. Maybe not an authority site that already has years of business and hundreds of thousands of legitimate backlinks (a negative attack might be "diluted" by the huge number of good, existing backlinks). But anyone else is vulnerable to getting destroyed. I've seen it more than a couple of times. Google has failed at catching negative SEO, and I suspect it will get worse before it gets better.
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