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SEO Site Migration

by GGpaul
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Hey, who here has done an SEO site migration before? Basically where your site will have a new redesign, different URL's and you'll use 301 redirects.

A big challenge is that I'll be redirecting over 120,000 URL's. I want to see if any of you have had this challenge in the past. I'm using Excel to organize everything. OBVIOUSLY I don't want to manually do this or it will take me YEARS and YEARS. So, did you automate the process and if so how were you able to do it?

I know, this is more of a corporate question but I want to see if anyone here has had any hands-on experience with this.
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  • Profile picture of the author webdevpro
    If there is any logical relation in url structure then you can do it programatically rather than mapping each individual url. e.g. if want a to redirect hxxp//oldurl/folder_1.htm to hxxp//newurl/newfolder/a_1.htm - that you can easily achieve by mapping the url using regular expression patterns.
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    • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
      Originally Posted by webdevpro View Post

      If there is any logical relation in url structure then you can do it programatically rather than mapping each individual url. e.g. if want a to redirect hxxp//oldurl/folder_1.htm to hxxp//newurl/newfolder/a_1.htm - that you can easily achieve by mapping the url using regular expression patterns.
      Would I use a VLOOKUP function in Excel?

      The question is, HOW do I obtain all the URL's on the NEW site? I want to extract all the URL's into EXCEL. The problem is that none of these sites are indexed because we haven't relaunched the site yet. There's a test server, but we haven't launched it which is this upcoming February. So I want to know how I can set a function where This URL => NEW URL if I can't even crawl the URL's for the new site.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by webdevpro View Post

      If there is any logical relation in url structure then you can do it programatically rather than mapping each individual url. e.g. if want a to redirect hxxp//oldurl/folder_1.htm to hxxp//newurl/newfolder/a_1.htm - that you can easily achieve by mapping the url using regular expression patterns.
      This is an excellent answer. the first thing you have to do is assess whether there is any pattern to the change. Is this because of a new content management system reorganization or a company internal and whats the standard ways in which the urls will change. Depending on the site and its content for the sake of some users yes as MikeF pointed out some sites SHOULD be 404 with custom 404 pages. You will see major news site and magazines do this all the time so as not to confuse readers.

      I am not going to front that I have done a site like that. with so many URLs but the first stop is the web developer. Sitting down with him is the first step to finding those patterns and him sitting down with you and understanding the SEO issues may cause him t suggest architecture changes on their side. Its not a simple issue and theres just not enough information for you to take any specific suggestion to heart on a forum. Will page titles be changing? Is this for technical reason or reorganization of content (almost always with a new design)? New categories and pages entirely?

      I wouldn't worry about losing your job either. I know you could not be the one making this call but it doesn't matter how well you do it they should be aware there WILL be some issues. You ARE going to lose (and possibly gain) in some serps and the recovery is going to be doing more linkbuilding and adjust on page content NOT related to URL changes.

      Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

      There's a test server, but we haven't launched it which is this upcoming February. So I want to know how I can set a function where This URL => NEW URL if I can't even crawl the URL's for the new site.
      As long as the test site is accessible from your end on a web server (snd you get the location of it from your browser or IT guy you can use either screaming frog as Yuke suggested or inspyder insite. I know insite exports CSV and so should screaming frog. These crawl through sites finding errors, verified link etc
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Why are you redirecting 120K URLs, what's the goal?
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    • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Why are you redirecting 120K URLs, what's the goal?
      301 redirect.

      All URL's will be changing. EXCEPT the home page. There's a ton of traffic for these pages, and we don't want them to land on a page not found page.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Why are you changing all the URLs? I know you want to 301 everything, but why, what will you gain?

    I know others will disagree with me but a 404 page is the most useless thing that could possibly exist as far as web pages, it serves no purpose.

    IMO setup a safety net & do a site wide 301 redirect for all 404s, redirect them back to the Index page or whatever page is most important to you/traffic. Seriously, I think you know how important established URLs are, If you have traffic, best create a safety net & forget about any 404s.

    You still want URLs properly redirected but that's 120K chances of messing up a redirect (broken URL), odds are against you on that one.

    Constantly monitor 404s with something like Screaming Frog & fix them ASAP (hourly/daily).

    If you really have to do 120K redirects break the job down into small jobs, maybe only work on one category at a time, get it all perfect, repeat with the next category...

    Don't forget that site wide 404 redirect, at the very least run that safety net until the redirect is 100% correct, again check Screaming Frog for broken links.

    If you don't get this right the first time, Google will be dropping pages in the SERPs like crazy.

    I'm not trying to cause hysteria but I'm pretty sure this type of job (120K redirects) would get someone fired If they buried the site in Google SERPs or lost any other major traffic sources due to broken links.

    BTW, are you considering all the broken internal links caused by such a massive redirect job?
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    • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Why are you changing all the URLs? I know you want to 301 everything, but why, what will you gain?

      I know others will disagree with me but a 404 page is the most useless thing that could possibly exist as far as web pages, it serves no purpose.

      IMO setup a safety net & do a site wide 301 redirect for all 404s, redirect them back to the Index page or whatever page is most important to you/traffic. Seriously, I think you know how important established URLs are, If you have traffic, best create a safety net & forget about any 404s.

      You still want URLs properly redirected but that's 120K chances of messing up a redirect (broken URL), odds are against you on that one.

      Constantly monitor 404s with something like Screaming Frog & fix them ASAP (hourly/daily).

      If you really have to do 120K redirects break the job down into small jobs, maybe only work on one category at a time, get it all perfect, repeat with the next category...

      Don't forget that site wide 404 redirect, at the very least run that safety net until the redirect is 100% correct, again check Screaming Frog for broken links.

      If you don't get this right the first time, Google will be dropping pages in the SERPs like crazy.

      I'm not trying to cause hysteria but I'm pretty sure this type of job (120K redirects) would get someone fired If they buried the site in Google SERPs or lost any other major traffic sources due to broken links.

      BTW, are you considering all the broken internal links caused by such a massive redirect job?
      Hold on, let's back track a bit.

      Okay so the legacy site (current site) will be redesigned to a new site. HOWEVER, all of that content will be transferred over.

      So for instance, the legacy site has an innerpage: http://hello.com/product/ag370. This page has a good amount of traffic and backlinks.

      Now, our NEW site has http://hello.com/product/Adriano-Gol...70-jeans/ag370. This has the SAME exact content as the legacy site page just different URL.

      We have thousands upon thousands of these pages. Which is why we'll want to 301 redirect these pages.

      One of our biggest issues is that our CURRENT site had a POOR URL structure. We're maintaining the same main domain, but the URL structure for the inner pages must be changed. Remember, this is a company with 10 years that had NO SEO involved whatsoever, but yet got organic search results just based on authority, and other certain factors.

      And back to your main question why change URL? I mean, think about it. Not just from an SEO stand point but a better user experience. Let's say a fashion blogger wanted to link our site on their Fb page, or twitter. What looks cleaner? hxxp://sitename.com/levi-jeans-42 OR..hxxp://sitename.com/productdisplay.jsp?=ag-42 ?

      We want to have a clean URL structure.
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      • Profile picture of the author Christian Little
        Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

        So for instance, the legacy site has an innerpage: http://hello.com/product/ag370. This page has a good amount of traffic and backlinks.

        Now, our NEW site has http://hello.com/product/Adriano-Gol...70-jeans/ag370. This has the SAME exact content as the legacy site page just different URL.
        If you have this all mapped out in Excel, what you could do is import that into a MySQL database. Then create a PHP script to look up the requested URL and it it's in the list of legacy pages, then do a permanent redirect to the new page.

        Then assuming your old system uses some kind of template, replace the template and all code with a simple line calling the PHP redirect code. Assuming all the URLs are different in the new system, this will fix your problem.

        So in the example above, the PHP script would do the following query:

        Code:
        select newurl from conversion where legacyurl="/product/ag370"
        That query would return the following:

        Code:
        /product/Adriano-Goldschmied-370-jeans/ag370
        So the PHP script would output a 301 redirect to that new URL.

        Now one could argue that this would slow the server down too much from all the queries, but realistically your CMS is probably doing 10-20 SQL queries per page load anyways so this would actually save some server resources (kinda).

        You'd probably also want to build in some kind of error handling as well, so if the PHP script is looking for a page which doesn't exist in either the legacy or new page list have it send you an email alert so you can look into why the pages are missing and fix them ASAP.

        Now you also said you aren't sure how to get a list of all the new pages. Does the new CMS you are using some with any kind of sitemap software? If not, there are tones of programs out there which will crawl your website and give you a list of URL's for it all. If you are building out the new site on a subdomain until it's ready you can just do a simple find/replace in notepad to change the URL to the right domain name before you put it into Excel.
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  • Profile picture of the author squadron
    Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

    I know, this is more of a corporate question but I want to see if anyone here has had any hands-on experience with this.
    I've done one project with 1000 lines of 301 redirects in a .htaccess file. Based on some bad experiences I don't trust variable rewriting or mapping, or scripts in the .htaccess file. If there is a direct relationship between the old and new pages, it should be pretty easy to do in Excel.

    Now here's a relevant question ... how many lines of code will Google act on in a .htaccess file? There must be some sort of limit.

    But honestly I wouldn't bother unless those internal pages have PR. Google will eventually spider and index the new pages and they will probably rank as well as the old ones anyway.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by squadron View Post

      But honestly I wouldn't bother unless those internal pages have PR. Google will eventually spider and index the new pages and they will probably rank as well as the old ones anyway.
      Ugh... That's horrible advice, but you already know that I think.

      Google would not react favorably to a site that just lost 120,000 pages. Not to mention the duplication issues of not doing the redirects, and the fact that it could take weeks, maybe even a few months, for everything to rank anywhere near where it was originally. Most companies are not going to be very happy about a traffic hit like that.

      I'll disagree with Yukon a bit on the 404's also. I understand his thinking, but I think it is helpful for a user to know that they reached a page that no longer exists. If they just get redirected to a homepage, many less technical people will not understand what happened and try reaching their original destination again. Maybe 2-3 times. Then they just think your website sucks. It's a user experience thing, not an SEO thing though.

      Now, I would not advocate a generic 404 either. I think you need to put a custom message there and maybe some links to related items they were trying to find.

      I can see the other side of the 404 argument, but I always prefer to have them.

      As for an easy way to do your 301 project... I'm not aware of any that I would trust to do it right.
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  • Profile picture of the author squadron
    It would be an interesting exercise to plot visitor frequency distribution for your 120,000 pages. You may find that the top 500 or so pages generate 80% or more of the traffic.

    It may not be worth the effort 301 redirecting all the pages seeing that many of those pages only get a few visits per month. And in a few weeks Google will index and rank those pages anyway.
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  • Profile picture of the author hipeopo02
    Why are you moving a site instead of just creating another one and keeping the first site for traffic/link juice?

    I have only done this one time and it was to get on a superior domain. At the time the site was still small (only a few hundred pages indexed) so it was easy but 120K URLs?

    Ask yourself "WHY?" before you do this.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by hipeopo02 View Post

      Why are you moving a site instead of just creating another one and keeping the first site for traffic/link juice?.........
      Ask yourself "WHY?" before you do this.

      :rolleyes::rolleyes:

      Sigh......Seriously GG just stop asking corporate/company SEO questions on this forum. They just do not get it. Companies rebrand, reorganize all the time and they cannot have two different sites on the net for the same purpose. This is not an adsense site.
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      • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        :rolleyes::rolleyes:

        Sigh......Seriously GG just stop asking corporate/company SEO questions on this forum. They just do not get it. Companies rebrand, reorganize all the time and they cannot have two different sites on the net for the same purpose. This is not an adsense site.
        HAHAHA. I just had to ask away . I have a lot of resources from searchengineland, moz, but they don't go too much in depth as far as what to do.

        I'll have to disagree too with Yukon on the 404 page. As a matter of fact when we came on board the 404 page was blank, but for us, we wanted to make sure we capitalize as much as possible so we created a custom 404 page where it was something like "Sorry, this page is no longer available but here are some products you can check out".

        I noticed every corporate online marketer I've met has never heard of the Warriorforum. Crazy, I learned EVERYTHING from the WF which lead me to a corporate job that I actually like!
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post


          I noticed every corporate online marketer I've met has never heard of the Warriorforum.
          Dude do yourself a favor and stop asking them.
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          • Profile picture of the author yukon
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            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            Dude do yourself a favor and stop asking them.
            HA, HA, HA, ask the coach that targets IMers he's, going corporate in 2014.



            FAIL!
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      • Profile picture of the author hipeopo02
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        :rolleyes::rolleyes:

        Sigh......Seriously GG just stop asking corporate/company SEO questions on this forum. They just do not get it. Companies rebrand, reorganize all the time
        What the hell does a rebranding have to do with a website other than graphics and slogans from a corporate perspective? Rebranding is not about SEO.

        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        they cannot have two different sites on the net for the same purpose. This is not an adsense site.
        It never started out as an adsense site but what is this about "same purpose" A website can have a million purposes or did your PBN take too many hits to the point where you lost faith in that kind of stuff

        GGPaul are you the SEO guy for this company or the fcuking IT guy?

        Do a little "rebranding" as in make the old site something different then juice the new site with links.
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          Yo Paul, WordPress or custom html?

          Originally Posted by hipeopo02 View Post


          GGPaul are you the SEO guy for this company or the fcuking IT guy?
          Oh that made me giggle
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        • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
          Originally Posted by hipeopo02 View Post

          What the hell does a rebranding have to do with a website other than graphics and slogans from a corporate perspective? Rebranding is not about SEO.



          It never started out as an adsense site but what is this about "same purpose" A website can have a million purposes or did your PBN take too many hits to the point where you lost faith in that kind of stuff

          GGPaul are you the SEO guy for this company or the fcuking IT guy?

          Do a little "rebranding" as in make the old site something different then juice the new site with links.
          Hahaha you'll only understand if you were here... It's a complete mess. I don't even know what I AM
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by hipeopo02 View Post

          What the hell does a rebranding have to do with a website other than graphics and slogans from a corporate perspective? Rebranding is not about SEO.
          ROFL......they are changing URLs. Now in SEO they do have these things they call links and guess what they operate by URLs

          and P.S. -

          GGPaul are you the SEO guy for this company or the fcuking IT guy?
          Stop trying to constantly avoid the language filters in every other post. This is a supposedly business forum for 18 and older
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          • Profile picture of the author hipeopo02
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            This is a supposedly business forum for 18 and older
            HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Who the hell does "business" here. Who the hell would be stupid enough?

            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            ROFL......they are changing URLs. Now in SEO they do have these things they call links and guess what they operate by URLs
            What's in the URL? that made you go font bananas....

            We are talking SEO not EMD "prettyness" LOL

            I love how you switch from being an "SEO expert" to being in expert in everything else.
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        • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
          Originally Posted by hipeopo02 View Post

          What the hell does a rebranding have to do with a website other than graphics and slogans from a corporate perspective? Rebranding is not about SEO.



          It never started out as an adsense site but what is this about "same purpose" A website can have a million purposes or did your PBN take too many hits to the point where you lost faith in that kind of stuff

          GGPaul are you the SEO guy for this company or the fcuking IT guy?

          Do a little "rebranding" as in make the old site something different then juice the new site with links.
          Let's go back to this.

          PBN in a corporate company is unheard of. Yes, we know about it, but no we'll go nowhere near it. Yes, I don't mind doing it for my own stuff, but no not for this type of company. We go to fashion events, such as fashion week in NY, we have events for fashion bloggers, which in a marketing standpoint helps us because they link to our site. We do incentives, by giving out clothes + $1,000. Which in my opinion cost more than a PBN. Especially when we have 386,000 external links.

          That's not the issue. Again we weren't hit. We aren't losing traffic. What I'm afraid of is losing traffic after the relaunch. Which WILL happen but I don't want that to be permanent.

          The main reason why we're relaunching a new site??
          Too many internal issues
          Too many canonical link issues
          Big problem is the URL issues. Again, if you scroll up it's just not a clean overall user experience. Wouldn't be good for ppc, email marketing, SEO, nor social media

          Yes we have a tech team. Do they know about SEO? No. Should they? I don't know, they went to school for software engineering, I'm sure they didn't have classes about "OH YOU NEED TO KNOW SEO TO GET YOUR MASTERS IN SOFTWARE ENGINEERING".

          So what do I do? I inform them what needs to get done.

          Forget about me saying "rebranding", but again we're not going to have a completely new site with the revenue + traffic we're getting on the legacy site. Which is why we go back to the 301 redirects.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

            It's really really hard to explain. It'll take hours to explain it and what mike Anthony said is right. I'm really just gonna go in circles with a couple of folks on here.
            the thing about it is though they insist on crying down everyone elses advice- if you ask them if they have ever done SEO for ANY company their nose would break their laptop from rapid pointy growth

            Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

            Hold on, let's back track a bit.
            I don't know about your momma but my momma always said

            Don't feed The trolls

            They have other things to clean up

            http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...-blahabah.html

            Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

            Got it. With the 404 error pages we're 301 redirecting them to most relevant pages..

            thing about that issue is that it was already covered. the whole point of crawling your own site with screaming frog or insite is to find that out
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            • Profile picture of the author yukon
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              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              I don't know about your momma but my momma always said

              Don't feed The trolls

              They have other things to clean up

              http://.l

              You haven't offered anything in this thread. Who are you helping?
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              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                You haven't offered anything in this thread. Who are you helping?
                GGpaul and obviously not your ego and he's thanked me for it as well. Unless you want to delete them what I have offered is still sitting at the top of this thread and you are lying about nothing being offered. You are all [edit- strike that its only applies to two people] trying to stroke your ego when you have not done a days worth of SEO for a company. We've already covered how to use tools to crawl and catalogue the links. From there a strategy has to be worked out

                WITHIN THE TECHNICAL PARAMETERS OF THE SITES CMS/CATALOG SYSTEM

                None of you know what that is.
                None of you can take a look at the URL structures
                None of you have a freaking clue why management has decided to make the change and the goals of that change

                None of you are pointing out anything of substance that the OP was not previously aware and instead are making all kinds of crazy suggestions. Truth be told GG must be just killing time until 5 PM becaue he knows more and is more capable to do SEO on that site than any of the people desperately jumping up and down and saying oooh ooooh teach I have the answer teacher.

                Be quiet. Knowing when you don't have all the data to make a full recommendation and not talking beyond that is part of what being an expert is and what one does.

                This is what junks up this board. People insisting on offering directions in areas they do not have a days worth of experience to offer. never done SEO for a company before (and your own doesn't count)? then sit in the back and learn because it s really really obvious to see those who have not by those who have.
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                • Profile picture of the author yukon
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                  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                  GGpaul and obviously not your ego and he's thanked me for it as well. Unless you want to delete them what I have offered is still sitting at the top of this thread and you are lying about nothing being offered. You are all [edit- strike that its only applies to two people] trying to stroke your ego when you have not done a days worth of SEO for a company. We've already covered how to use tools to crawl and catalogue the links. From there a strategy has to be worked out

                  WITHIN THE TECHNICAL PARAMETERS OF THE SITES CMS/CATALOG SYSTEM

                  None of you know what that is.
                  None of you can take a look at the URL structures
                  None of you have a freaking clue why management has decided to make the change and the goals of that change

                  None of you are pointing out anything of substance that the OP was not previously aware and instead are making all kinds of crazy suggestions. Truth be told GG must be just killing time until 5 PM becaue he knows more and is more capable to do SEO on that site than any of the people desperately jumping up and down and saying oooh ooooh teach I have the answer teacher.

                  Be quiet. Knowing when you don't have all the data to make a full recommendation and not talking beyond that is part of what being an expert is and what one does.

                  This is what junks up this board. People insisting on offering directions in areas they do not have a days worth of experience to offer. never done SEO for a company before (and your own doesn't count)? then sit in the back and learn because it s really really obvious to see those who have not by those who have.
                  Great, now your a corporate SEO. It's a website, doesn't matter If it's 100 pages or 1 million pages.

                  Broken links, 404s, poor user ex., disregard for any plan-B.

                  Good stuff.
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                • Profile picture of the author dennis09
                  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                  Truth be told GG must be just killing time until 5 PM becaue he knows more and is more capable to do SEO on that site than any of the people desperately jumping up and down and saying oooh ooooh teach I have the answer teacher.

                  Be quiet. Knowing when you don't have all the data to make a full recommendation and not talking beyond that is part of what being an expert is and what one does.

                  This is what junks up this board. People insisting on offering directions in areas they do not have a days worth of experience to offer. never done SEO for a company before (and your own doesn't count)? then sit in the back and learn because it s really really obvious to see those who have not by those who have.
                  Since when does working, or not working, for a company determine skill level??? Most SEO employees absolutely suck at SEO and are nothing more than overpaid VAs. If you were really that good at it then you'd either do your own thing or be the person RUNNING the company. Using your logic Paul is more skilled than you are because he works for a company. To your credit though, anyone that's been around here a while knows how laughable that is. The way I see it you've got two options:

                  A: Find a good programmer and get a script custom made.
                  B: Simplify the process and hire a handful of $1 an hour assistants.

                  And as much as I usually disagree with everything hippeo says, he's got a point. This is more of a tech and development issue than SEO. I'm sure the OP already has all of the SEO answers, seeing as he works for a company and all. :rolleyes:
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                  • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
                    Originally Posted by dennis09 View Post

                    Since when does working, or not working, for a company determine skill level??? Most SEO employees absolutely suck at SEO and are nothing more than overpaid VAs. If you were really that good at it then you'd either do your own thing or be the person RUNNING the company. Using your logic Paul is more skilled than you are because he works for a company. To your credit though, anyone that's been around here a while knows how laughable that is. The way I see it you've got two options:

                    A: Find a good programmer and get a script custom made.
                    B: Simplify the process and hire a handful of $1 an hour assistants.

                    And as much as I usually disagree with everything hippeo says, he's got a point. This is more of a tech and development issue than SEO. I'm sure the OP already has all of the SEO answers, seeing as he works for a company and all. :rolleyes:
                    Unfortunately, I don't have all the SEO answers. If I did, then I wouldn't ask here would I?

                    And I don't know why you hate on me so much man. Always going after me for no reason. I just want to learn from others. I wasn't even attacking anyone here. And I'm not here to compare myself to ANYONE, you, Mike Anthony, etc. I could care less. All I care about is making $$, helping others, and getting helped from others, that's it bro. You keep coming back after I accepted your apologies in the past. But you keep coming back right after me for no effin reason. All I wish is the best for you and that's it.

                    The suggestions you gave me doesn't help, but thanks anyway.. Again, corporate SEO is completely different. And what proof do you have that most SEO employees suck? Have you experienced corporate side? You know what's funny? Most SEO employees will say you suck as well. This is just going circles and circles and circles. For myself, I'm THANKFUL that I've experienced BOTH. Affiliate marketing, The way people run their "business" here in the WF, White hat, black hat, whatever the hat, corporate online marketing/SEO, ppc, PPC corporate, e-mail marketing the whole shabang. We have our OWN preference.

                    For me, I enjoy it all.
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                    • Profile picture of the author dennis09
                      Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

                      Unfortunately, I don't have all the SEO answers. If I did, then I wouldn't ask here would I?

                      And I don't know why you hate on me so much man. Always going after me for no reason. I just want to learn from others. I wasn't even attacking anyone here. And I'm not here to compare myself to ANYONE, you, Mike Anthony, etc. I could care less. All I care about is making $$, helping others, and getting helped from others, that's it bro. You keep coming back after I accepted your apologies in the past. But you keep coming back right after me for no effin reason. All I wish is the best for you and that's it.
                      My comment was more directed at Mike, just so happens he was using you to make a point, and I did the same. Fair game. But I see you're still as sensitive as ever.

                      Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

                      The suggestions you gave me doesn't help, but thanks anyway..
                      Well what exactly do you want us to tell you? You're not getting any solid advice here because there really is none to give as it relates to SEO. So what, you found a video from Matt that says you can 301 all you want? Well dur.

                      Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

                      Again, corporate SEO is completely different
                      Sorry Paul you can't BS me bro. But I'd like to see you fumble your way through that explanation.

                      Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

                      And what proof do you have that most SEO employees suck? Have you experienced corporate side? You know what's funny? Most SEO employees will say you suck as well.
                      lol Paul I LIVE in silicon valley (Palo Alto). Just about everyone around me works, lives and breathes Google. I'm only a 5 minute drive away from the Googleplex. I network with many of their employees AND SEO agencies here in the Bay Area, and I can tell you straight up from first hand experience that the ones with the real SEO knowledge are either in management or at the very top of the ladder. Everyone else simply follows the blueprint and task list handed down to them. Yep, the same way you do.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                    Now see some times they just line up to prove your point. Non stop ignorance

                    Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                    Great, now your a corporate SEO. It's a website, doesn't matter If it's 100 pages or 1 million pages.
                    .
                    No silly. Nothing to do with size of site. it has to do with business considerations that are completely different for businesses. Face it - FACT. Most of you don't have a crap to do with branding. no one knows your little crappy site you stick adsens on. You can do you stuff on your little adsense site that doesn't translate well to a company with thousand of customers. Shucks you could see in your first set of questions you couldn't understand why the urls should be changed. No sense of branding in the bigger business world. Amatuer hour.

                    Yeah right a fashion house is changing their URls and they have a a sweet link from a fashion magazine article that gets traffic constantly to it. Yeah sure redirect the page to a front page or product that has nothing to do with the link without explaining to the readers that the resource has moved. Again...amaetur hour

                    Originally Posted by dennis09 View Post

                    Since when does working, or not working, for a company determine skill level??? Most SEO employees absolutely suck at SEO and are nothing more than overpaid VAs.
                    Please....you don;t even know twenty much less most. You pulled that vague stat out of your drawers, this is just standard we know seo Warrior Forum talk. I know this board and you would not last a week in a white hat environment.


                    If you were really that good at it then you'd either do your own thing or be the person RUNNING the company
                    Yes because we all know that capital is not needed to run a fashion store . this is just such a silly argument I see raised so often. IF you run a SEo company its because you are not good at it because if yu were you would just rank your own stuff. If you work for a SEO company then you can't know SEO otherwsie you would be running it.

                    No one ever works themselves up to the top that is good.. nah can't be
                    No good doctor would work for a hospital they'd all be opening their own office. Sucks now the hospitals are all inferior
                    If you eally were a good programmer you wouldn't work for anyone - not evenMicrosoft
                    Designers working for Adobe? Pure crap or they would be doing their own solo shop

                    LOL
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                    • Profile picture of the author dennis09
                      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post


                      Please....you don;t even know twenty much less most. You pulled that vague stat out of your drawers, this is just standard we know seo Warrior Forum talk. I know this board and you would not last a week in a white hat environment.
                      Sure, the same way you just pulled that out of your arse. You look real silly trying to slam someone based on an assumption. Typical Warrior Forum talk. But I understand, you need to post here. Your wonderful world of opportunities and this forum is about the only thing you've got going for yourself. Maybe you and your boy could link up and finally get your WSOs done.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                        Originally Posted by dennis09 View Post

                        Sure, the same way you just pulled that out of your arse. You look real silly trying to slam someone based on an assumption. Typical Warrior Forum talk. But I understand, you need to post here. Your wonderful world of opportunities and this forum is about the only thing you've got going for yourself. Maybe you and your boy could link up and finally get your WSOs done.
                        Oh please. You don't even make any sense. I have talked with the regulars on this board for over four years. I CAN make a judgement about them based on that data. You spoken or deal with 51% of all the SEO s that work for companies to claim they are no better than VAs? Nope - so whose pulling the magic out of there drawers there eh?

                        I talked about what I know of this forum. You talk about what you don't know crap about. No? tell me my income? tell me how much of it is not derived from here? You'll fall flat on your face for how off you would be. I must be flat on my face since I have had no sig for months...LOL WF talk

                        Intimidated becaose someone says or thinks not all SEO at every level is the same? Yep. you can smell it. Thats why you attack the very idea that it may be different. Thats about all there is to your posts but frankly its not you at all so I can't be too rough on you. Its the dream of every adsense, MFA, building Senuke loving, GSA hugging push button SEO link builder that there can be nothing more to SEO on any level.

                        And yeah baby there is a new world coming and its all white hat? Want a peak?

                        Coming in less than a week
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                        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                          Huge risks you guys are taking to have better looking URL's.

                          There's a Wordpress plugin that automatically redirects old pages to the new ones, I would let some programmer dive into the code, in fact Wordpress often does that automatically already when you rename a URL. I know your site is not based on Wordpress but the code that's responsible for it could help.
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                        • Profile picture of the author dennis09
                          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                          Oh please. You don't even make any sense. I have talked with the regulars on this board for over four years. I CAN make a judgement about them based on that data.
                          Heads up buddy, them does not equal me.


                          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                          I talked about what I know of this forum. You talk about what you don't know crap about. No? tell me my income? tell me how much of it is not derived from here? You'll fall flat on your face for how off you would be. I must be flat on my face since I have had no sig for months...LOL WF talk
                          So now you're confused eh? YOU made an assumption about ME. So who's the one lying flat on the face?

                          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                          Intimidated becaose someone says or thinks not all SEO at every level is the same? Yep. you can smell it. Thats why you attack the very idea that it may be different. Thats about all there is to your posts but frankly its not you at all so I can't be too rough on you.
                          That makes no sense. And intimidated??? By who? You? So instead of defending your whole "corporate SEO" shenanigans you attack me because i'm smart enough to call BS on it and you're dumb enough to keep trying to defend it. And i'm supposed to be intimidated?


                          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                          And yeah baby there is a new world coming and its all white hat? Want a peak?

                          Coming in less than a week
                          See, that's the problem with you Warriorforum folks. You've been here since 2009 and you're still talking about "hat" this and "hat" that and releasing WSO's?? Man you're a joke. It's time to move on guy. Maybe you can move to the valley and we can talk venture capital. SEO was, and is, just a way for me to make investment money and move beyond. But since you know everything about me you're going to randomly call BS on that because it makes you feel inferior. You have fun with your sh*tty little WSOs though buddy.
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                          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                            Originally Posted by dennis09 View Post

                            Heads up buddy, them does not equal me.
                            heads up. I WAS including you

                            I can just skip the rest of your little melt down

                            P.S. I don't do WSOs. Did one maybe three years ago. never touched it since

                            Failed at guessing again and um "White hat" is an industry term in SEO that came long before this forum. Look it up some time
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                    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                      Using your logic Paul is more skilled than you are because he works for a company. To your credit though, anyone that's been around here a while knows how laughable that is. The way I see it you've got two options:
                      First of all you are not using my logic . go back and read it. You are twisting it. I said SEO for that site. Heck yes. GGpaul knows things about that company I do not and heck yes on that basis he can do better SEO than I could on that site.

                      Shocking isn't it? You guys swear I am the arrogant one but I can admit straightup when someone else is a better SEO for a given project

                      Furthermore I don't think its laughable at all. I don't need to front to any of you anonymous forum posters. Straight up. I've never done SEO for a fashion company. Laugh all you want but - and this is another drop dead obvious reason why some GREAT SEOs work for companies - GGPaul is in a better position to land fashion house SEO clients later for himself than anyone in this thread. Those companies do not cares squat about your non fashion experience. Why? experience with Fashion bloggers and contacts is going to end up giving you better links. So not only is it not laughable that GGpaul is a better SEO to the fashion industry than I am - ITS DOWNRIGHT LIKELY HE IS.

                      And as much as I usually disagree with everything hippeo says, he's got a point. This is more of a tech and development issue than SEO.
                      Utter rubbish. You can join the kid in yet another of his epic errors if you wish but you both are dead wrong. I had a similar but smaller job out of London not too long ago and you best believe it was my job to make sure the URls were right. Let me just drop one nugget that shows how wrong you two are and point out an OBVIOUS fact. Often times URLs inherit words from the topic tile, the category title, the article title. Come again with it not being the SEOs job to get those right.

                      DO you guys do ANY on page SEO? :rolleyes: .

                      Getting the URLs right by which pagerank, relevance and authority flow not the job of a SEO? Thats some sweet crack you are both smoking. No its not the job of the SEO to technically fix it but it IS the job of the SEO on the business level to list out what needs fixing and thats what the Op is all about

                      I'm sure the OP already has all of the SEO answers, seeing as he works for a company and all. :rolleyes:
                      No need to hate bro. Want a job there just ask GG for a reference.
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                      • Profile picture of the author dennis09
                        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                        GGpaul knows things about that company I do not and heck yes on that basis he can do better SEO than I could on that site. Shocking isn't it?
                        Well duh. Something like that to you would be shocking but for the rest of us it's called common sense.

                        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                        You guys swear I am the arrogant one but I can admit straightup when someone else is a better SEO for a given project
                        There you go making stuff up again. Who called you arrogant? Sounds like more of an admission of guilt to me.

                        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                        Furthermore I don't think its laughable at all. I don't need to front to any of you anonymous forum posters. Straight up.
                        But of course you do silly, see you've got that curse of a reputation to maintain. No matter who or what it is, you have to argue until the death because you can never be wrong, right? I've seen whole threads being drawn out several pages here because Mike just can't let it go. Gotta maintain that rep on a forum that you could care less about.


                        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                        Laugh all you want but - and this is another drop dead obvious reason why some GREAT SEOs work for companies - GGPaul is in a better position to land fashion house SEO clients later for himself than anyone in this thread. Those companies do not cares squat about your non fashion experience. Why? experience with Fashion bloggers and contacts is going to end up giving you better links. So not only is it not laughable that GGpaul is a better SEO to the fashion industry than I am - ITS DOWNRIGHT LIKELY HE IS.
                        There you go making stuff up again. GREAT SEOs are lining up to be slaves for another company just so they can get a few links from a fashion blogger. Yeah that is laughable.


                        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                        I had a similar but smaller job out of London not too long ago and you best believe it was my job to make sure the URls were right. Let me just drop one nugget that shows how wrong you two are and point out an OBVIOUS fact. Often times URLs inherit words from the topic tile, the category title, the article title. Come again with it not being the SEOs job to get those right.

                        Getting the URLs right by which pagerank, relevance and authority flow not the job of a SEO? Thats some sweet crack you are both smoking. No its not the job of the SEO to technically fix it but it IS the job of the SEO on the business level to list out what needs fixing and thats what the Op is all about
                        Well thank you for proving my point. SEO is SEO. Doesn't matter if it's corporate, fashion or anything else. To say that everythings suddenly different because someone incorporated makes no sense. And the OP is asking about the easiest and cleanest way to do the redirects. And if manually is out of the question then guess what? Programmer. Which ironically, is what myself and someone else suggested, and you gave it a thanks.

                        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post


                        No need to hate bro. Want a job there just ask GG for a reference.
                        No need for me to hate bro, I can buy GG 2-3 times over.
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                    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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                      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                      Now see some times they just line up to prove your point. Non stop ignorance
                      That wasn't a compliment.




                      Originally Posted by dennis09 View Post

                      Yawn. Not a single thing you've listed is exclusive to an SEO company. Not one. The corporate side is obviously not your area of expertise.
                      Oh, he's done went corporate.
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                      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                        Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

                        Oh also, to those asking if there's a limit to 301 redirects.

                        SEO-Is there a limit to how many 301 (Permanent) redirects I can do on a site? - YouTube

                        I was looking for this video yesterday and then got sidetracked. Glad you posted it.


                        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                        Huge risks you guys are taking to have better looking URL's.

                        There's a Wordpress plugin that automatically redirects old pages to the new ones, I would let some programmer dive into the code, in fact Wordpress often does that automatically already when you rename a URL. I know your site is not based on Wordpress but the code that's responsible for it could help.
                        I would not steal code from Wordpress. Everything Wordpress does is bloated and slow. If Wordpress has a way to do it, I guarantee there is a way to do it 10 times faster.
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    • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
      Originally Posted by hipeopo02 View Post

      Why are you moving a site instead of just creating another one and keeping the first site for traffic/link juice?

      I have only done this one time and it was to get on a superior domain. At the time the site was still small (only a few hundred pages indexed) so it was easy but 120K URLs?

      Ask yourself "WHY?" before you do this.
      Well let's see....

      The site is for branding purposes. What are we going to do? Be called company#1 and company#2? We have 300 employees, with TONS and TONS of PR (not page rank but Public relations, and publicity).. We generate 100k unique visitors a DAY, with 100 million in revenue every year. We are NOT going to just "Oh yeah, let's go recreate a new site and let this one be." It's a growing company. There's MORE to it than that but I don't think I need to keep going.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    You created a fancy 404 that does the exact same thing as a sales page only you have a crappy 404 URL, sorry, not buying it. Google still knows you have 404s.

    Unbelievable how much you guys enjoy telling traffic they're lost (404).

    Where's Waldo? He's over there on some broken URL, ha, ha...
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Unbelievable how much you guys enjoy telling traffic they're lost (404).

      It really is no worse than them being redirected to some other page with no understanding why they cannot get to the page they were trying to reach.

      Plus you can code a custom 404 page on an ecommerce site that will show them products or categories relating to what it was they were trying to reach. You have a better chance of them converting to a sale that way.
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        It really is no worse than them being redirected to some other page with no understanding why they cannot get to the page they were trying to reach.
        What are the odds you or anyone in this world will match traffic from broken links with an appropiate sales page, not going to happen. Send them home to a live web page with an internal search box & latest/best products.











        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        Plus you can code a custom 404 page on an ecommerce site that will show them products or categories relating to what it was they were trying to reach. You have a better chance of them converting to a sale that way.
        It's totally different. Nobody is ranking 404s, but they'll rank live web pages all day. Wasted SEO on inbound broken link URLs (404s).

        Why anyone would waste SEO efforts is beyond me.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          What are the odds you or anyone in this world will match traffic from broken links with an appropiate sales page, not going to happen.]
          ROFL......How about a link from a major fashion magazine?

          Stop.....I....can't.....stop......laughing. More Yuke moah

          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          HA, HA, HA, ask the coach that targets IMers he's, going corporate in 2014.



          FAIL!

          Lol......we've found our 16 year old. South Carolina ID check please
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          • Profile picture of the author yukon
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            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            ROFL......How about a link from a major fashion magazine?

            Stop.....I....can't.....stop......laughing. More Yuke moah




            Lol......we've found our 16 year old. South Carolina ID check please
            Thanks for putting me back in the game coach. Just don't ask me to hit the showers, homey don't play dat!

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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      You created a fancy 404 that does the exact same thing as a sales page only you have a crappy 404 URL, sorry, not buying it. Google still knows you have 404s....Where's Waldo? He's over there on some broken URL, ha, ha..
      Dude seriously laugh and mock with where waldo etc. its actually funny because every time you come into a SEO thread having to do with companies you show you have no clue.

      404 pages neither tell the customer they are lost or have to be crappy. You advice is just plain poor for any company. Redirecting every 404 to some other page leaves the customer with no idea why what he was linking for is no longer there. It HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GOOGLE NOT KNOWING. The idea that he should redirect to a sales page is funny too. Like Ecommerce sites only have "sales pages. lol

      This is yet another example of why I told GG he's better not asking these questions here. The whole of the business world cannot be run on knowledge from putting up adsense sites.
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Dude seriously laugh and mock with where waldo etc. its actually funny because every time you come into a SEO thread having to do with companies you show you have no clue.

        404 pages neither tell the customer they are lost or have to be crappy. You advice is just plain poor for any company. Redirecting every 404 to some other page leaves the customer with no idea why what he was linking for is no longer there. It HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GOOGLE NOT KNOWING. The idea that he should redirect to a sales page is funny too. Like Ecommerce sites only have "sales pages. lol

        This is yet another example of why I told GG he's better not asking these questions here. The whole of the business world cannot be run on knowledge from putting up adsense sites.
        We've found Waldo.
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    It's really really hard to explain. It'll take hours to explain it and what mike Anthony said is right. I'm really just gonna go in circles with a couple of folks on here.
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  • Profile picture of the author JLennonMarketing
    I would check with google before 301 redirects, they may not like it...
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    • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
      Originally Posted by JLennonMarketing View Post

      I would check with google before 301 redirects, they may not like it...
      Best advice ever. Next?
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      • Profile picture of the author JLennonMarketing
        Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

        Best advice ever. Next?
        Well from a SEO stand point google hates 301 redirects. So If it was me before going ahead with 120k redirects I would seek their advice FIRST.

        So yes I think it is pretty good advice.
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          Originally Posted by JLennonMarketing View Post

          Well from a SEO stand point google hates 301 redirects. So If it was me before going ahead with 120k redirects I would seek their advice FIRST.

          So yes I think it is pretty good advice.
          It's horrible advice. Google does not hate 301 redirects.
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          • Profile picture of the author yukon
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            Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

            It's horrible advice. Google does not hate 301 redirects.
            Agreed, but they don't rank 404s.
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            • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
              Originally Posted by yukon View Post

              Agreed, but they don't rank 404s.
              No they definitely do not, but nobody should be trying to rank a 404 page.
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          • Profile picture of the author JLennonMarketing
            Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

            It's horrible advice. Google does not hate 301 redirects.
            AHH I was mixing up my 301's with my 302's my bad, still could see some shifting in rankings though in the short term
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            • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
              Originally Posted by JLennonMarketing View Post

              AHH I was mixing up my 301's with my 302's my bad, still could see some shifting in rankings though in the short term
              Yeah we wouldn't want 302's :p. It's expected that we will lose rankings with 301's for sure. But I'm trying to make sure that we do recover. That's the main thing. If things go well, this will freaking look freaking awesome on my resume.
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            • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
              Originally Posted by JLennonMarketing View Post

              AHH I was mixing up my 301's with my 302's my bad, still could see some shifting in rankings though in the short term
              They don't hate 302's either when used properly.

              There will be a lot more than just some shifting with a project like this.
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        • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
          Originally Posted by JLennonMarketing View Post

          Well from a SEO stand point google hates 301 redirects. So If it was me before going ahead with 120k redirects I would seek their advice FIRST.

          So yes I think it is pretty good advice.
          Provide your source.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    I don't know If you've answered this yet, but what are doing for the internal links? Surely you have the usual 20+ internal links per page (or whatever number), now multiple that times 120,000.

    The Page URLs are only the tip of the iceberg, most of your work will be chasing broken internal links.

    Shrug off that 404 redirect, now what's the plan?
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    • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      I don't know If you've answered this yet, but what are doing for the internal links? Surely you have the usual 20+ internal links per page (or whatever number), now multiple that times 120,000.

      The Page URLs are only the tip of the iceberg, most of your work will be chasing broken internal links.

      Shrug off that 404 redirect, now what's the plan?
      I'm extracting all data using majesticseo seeing what our top backlinks are for our innerpages. We too, are 301 redirecting them. But what we'll do is have an e-mail outreach to webmasters letting them know that we need them to change their links since the URLs will be different.
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

        I'm extracting all data using majesticseo seeing what our top backlinks are for our innerpages. We too, are 301 redirecting them. But what we'll do is have an e-mail outreach to webmasters letting them know that we need them to change their links since the URLs will be different.
        That's not what I asked. What are you doing about all the internal broken links, the links on your own site?

        Example Warrior Forum broken internal link:

        http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-ppc-seo-discussion-forum/-search-engine-optimization-site-migration.html (another great 404).

        Just because you change your internal page URL doesn't mean you've fixed all the internal links pointing at that page, they'll still have broken links.
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        • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          That's not what I asked. What are you doing about all the internal broken links, the links on your own site?

          Example Warrior Forum broken internal link:

          http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-ppc-seo-discussion-forum/-search-engine-optimization-site-migration.html (another great 404).

          Just because you change your internal page URL doesn't mean you've fixed all the internal links pointing at that page, they'll still have broken links.
          Got it. With the 404 error pages we're 301 redirecting them to most relevant pages.

          Which is what I was told to do, to extract all 404 error pages (we have about 2,000) from webmaster tools.
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          • Profile picture of the author yukon
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            Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

            Got it. With the 404 error pages we're 301 redirecting them to most relevant pages.

            Which is what I was told to do, to extract all 404 error pages (we have about 2,000) from webmaster tools.
            You might have 2,000 now, wait until you start changing those page URLs.

            Better get HR on the horn & get some interns in there fixing those broken internal links. It's about to get crazy up in there.
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              Originally Posted by yukon View Post

              You might have 2,000 now, wait until you start changing those page URLs.

              Better get HR on the horn & get some interns in there fixing those broken internal links. It's about to get crazy up in there.

              LOL. Yeah I can't do this alone. It's REALLY REALLY freaking hard to work with people in fashion. Why? Like I said, all they care about what's trending, what's in, they don't know anything technical or how is x,y,z will benefit in a SEO standpoint or even online marketing standpoint. Which I suggest that for THOSE reading this, if you're learning SEO good for you. Keep going and go beyond and learn the rest of online marketing. It will get you faaaaaarr if you let it.
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    This is starting to get technical guys. I'm afraid we're scaring off a lot of people in the WF that want to hear threads:

    "What's basic on-page seo, should I buy links, what are good links to buy, how to get more traffic"

    Oh well. I've come along way since 2011, and I gotsa keep going!!!
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    Oh also, to those asking if there's a limit to 301 redirects.

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    Originally Posted by dennis09 View Post

    Sorry Paul you can't BS me bro. But I'd like to see you fumble your way through that explanation.
    .
    Fumble? Oh sweet petunias. The ways corporate SEo is different from WF SEO? Hmm lets see

    1) Ton loads more cash for advertising that generate links (TV/radio/major newspapers)
    2) Link building by major news outlets writing about your product
    3) Reputations of companies whose name gets webmasters to answer the phone or email
    4) Public relations departments to coordinate with
    5) large existing industry contacts to work for links and mentions
    6) having to shift strategies based on numbers 1 through 5 into a SEo strategy that works with the corporations goals and protect the corporations reputation.

    Sorry.... Was that supposed to be a hard question to answer?

    Speaking of BS. want to try and claim that SEO around here involves all of that at tn non corporate SEO. where those thread be at bro?

    Originally Posted by dennis09 View Post

    There you go making stuff up again. GREAT SEOs are lining up to be slaves for another company just so they can get a few links from a fashion blogger. Yeah that is laughable.
    :rolleyes: Your inability to grasp a point? yes terribly laughable. Speaking of laughter thats what you will get when you try to walk into any corporation and try and get a Corporate SEO client without corporate experience. In your density you missed my point - thats preciely why good SEOs spend time working at Corporate level SEO companies. to get that experience as a later leverage when and if they decide to go solo. Get a clue.

    To say that everythings suddenly different because someone incorporated makes no sense. And the OP is asking about the easiest and cleanest way to do the redirects. And if manually is out of the question then guess what? Programmer. Which ironically, is what myself and someone else suggested, and you gave it a thanks.
    Which ironically you just can't grasp. Nowhere in any of that was there an admission that that was not the SEOs job. Read again - It IS the job for the SEO to co-ordinate with the technical department to give those directions. Go look it up. I thanked someone suggesting to a SEO how THEY might go about it. It does NOT mean that that is not the job of the SEO . IT IS no matter how you and your pal Hippeo claim otherwise. P.S. try again. I never said everything changed I said things do significantly change. Look up the meanings of words if you don't get them

    No need for me to hate bro, I can buy GG 2-3 times over.
    You can't even buy trixie with the tight shorts on the street corner at 1 AM for an hour much less buy a human being 2 and 3 times over. Give this man the week's award for WF crap talk.
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    • Profile picture of the author dennis09
      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

      1) Ton loads more cash for advertising that generate links (TV/radio/major newspapers)

      2) Link building by major news outlets writing about your product

      3) Reputations of companies whose name gets webmasters to answer the phone or email

      4) Public relations departments to coordinate with

      5) large existing industry contacts to work for links and mentions

      6) having to shift strategies based on numbers 1 through 5 into a SEo strategy that works with the corporations goals and protect the corporations reputation.
      Sorry, can't fool me buddy. How many SEO companies you know have public relations departments? When was the last time you saw an SEO company running TV advertisements? And reputation? What do you think this is Disney? Most webmasters wouldn't even recognize an SEO company by name if their lives depended on it.

      The typical company structure is that you have have low level account managers that handle the link building for a specified number of clients. Then you have the guys in the next echelon that actually create the campaigns and strategies, train and work directly with higher level/budget clients. Then you have a sales department that is completely separate from that. Now I know not every SEO company in the world follows that exact structure, but I guarantee that most will be pretty close to that.

      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

      Speaking of BS. want to try and claim that SEO around here involves all of that at tje non corporate SEO. where those thread be at bro?
      SEO "around here"? That seems to be your problem Mike. You've been here so long that you think everybody's out there doing "WF SEO".

      SEO is SEO. Some people just suck at it.

      And I do realize that this is the WF and you have no way of verifying who I am, and I accept that. But I do know what i'm talking about here based on experience. And when you make stuff up, well, i'm gonna call you on it. The fact that you look up to someone because they work for a company is hilarious. No it really is. Get out your bubble guy and go meet people in the real world.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by dennis09 View Post

        You can't fool me buddy. How many you know have public relations departments? When was the last time you saw an SEO company running TV advertisements? And reputation? What do you think this is Disney? Most webmasters wouldn't even recognize an SEO company by name if their lives depended on it.
        Oh good grief :rolleyes: this is just too silly. Look you are a total waste of time. You don't even get the basics. You do not call companies in the name of your Seo company you call them on in the name of your corporate client. Everythng I wrote was in relationship to your SEO CLIENT'S resources and yes the large and even mid size corporations have all those things at your disposal if you work for them. Try and get some understanding. The whole I live near to google plex is not working.

        You are totally clueless. You just totally wasted your time with that last response because what was being talked about was not the SEO company but the clients resources. I don't have to fool you . You already are there.

        when you make stuff up, well, i'm gonna call you on it. The fact that you look up to someone because they work for a company is hilarious. No it really is. Get out your bubble guy and go meet people in the real world.
        More silliness. I made nothing up, I talk to Paul off these boards and I know more about him than I do you. I know the company he works for and have seen the site and the SEO being done on it. Want to show me one of yours oh Swami? because I would put down money that the links to the sites he works on beats the crap out of any you have acquired.

        You can't call me out anything. You have learnt from me whether you choose to admit it or not (we both know it) and I can't recall every having learned anything from you on these boards. Want to do something rather than Jaw.? Go back to the list I gave about corporate SEO and this time use your brain and realize that the resources being talked about are the Client's not the SEO company itself. and give a real rebuttal. You botched your last reply by not even understanding the words written .

        and the sillines just keeps coming

        Originally Posted by dennis09 View Post

        Spare me the analogies. Doesn't matter who you work for, there's only one thing that's going to push you up the SERPS. Good links and optimization. All of that other nonsense goes right out the window. A link placed by some guy at a company doesn't magically turn into gold just because.
        No silly. It doesn't but the company with more resources and media exposure is more likely to get better links (which modifies the approach entirely) and if you deny that you are totally beyond ANY rationality. Will Pizza Hut more likely get a link from CNN for a product they are releasing if an SEO on behalf and using the name of Pizza hut contact them about it? as opposed to Harriets Pizza around the block?

        Dang!...... to argue against differences like that is just plain ignorant but hey we are what we are..

        P.S. Don't give me any directions about what to spare you. I will make my points how I wish. Don't like em don't read em. They aint changing simply because you don't have the sense to see their application
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        • Profile picture of the author dennis09
          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          Oh good grief :rolleyes: this is just too silly. Look you are a total waste of time. You don't even get the basics. You do not call companies in the name of your Seo company you call them on in the name of your corporate client. Everythng I wrote was in relationship to your SEO CLIENT'S resources and yes the large and even mid size corporations have all those things at your disposal if you work for them

          You are totally clueless. You just totally wasted your time with that last response because what was being talked about was not the SEo company but the clients resources. I don't have to fool you . You already are there.
          Yeah it is silly, now you're trying to twist this and say it's about the clients resources, when we both know that an independent contractor could make use of those same resources in their clients name. It's funny how you're suddenly the WF expert on how SEO companies are currently running things. I really do find that funny. Enjoy your little internet bubble.


          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          I talk to Paul off these boards and I know more about him than I do you. I know the company he works for and has seen the site and the SEO being done on it. Want to show me one of yours of Swami? because I would put down money that the links to the sites he works on beats the crap out of any you have acquired.
          I already acknowledged the fact that you really don't know me. Believe me I totally understand that. I've got more important things to do than post here all day and grandstand for a bunch of nobodies. And you really think i'm going to let you reverse engineer my networks like you did nik0's. Guess again.


          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          You can't call me out anything. You have learnt from me whether you choose to admit it or not (we both know it) and I can't recall every having learned anything from you on these boards.
          I'm a networker. Both online and off. Why? Because you never know what you don't know, until you know it. That's the only reason I bother to checkout forums or anything else. I've seen what you're doing behind the scenes along with just about every other public SEO and yes I have learned something here and there. You haven't learned anything from me? Well that's not a big surprise seeing as how I don't go running my mouth 24/7. I'm a lurker, like most of the people here. Like I said you don't know me, but if you're ever in the bay area you should give me a ring. I'm not some know it all billionaire , but i'm definitely far from the newb speaking out of his arse you like to paint everyone to be.
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            Originally Posted by dennis09 View Post

            Yeah it is silly, now you're trying to twist this and say it's about the clients resources,
            BWAHHAHAHAHA. When you get caught in the foolishnes of your understanding just claim its been twisted on you rather than your own mind not comprehending the obvious.

            Here explain to the class how the bolded parts would have been referring
            to the SEO company (many times obvious just in the plurals)

            1) Ton loads more cash for advertising that generate links (TV/radio/major newspapers)

            2) Link building by major news outlets writing about your product

            3) Reputations of companies whose name gets webmasters to answer the phone or email

            4) Public relations departments to coordinate with

            5) large existing industry contacts to work for links and mentions

            6) having to shift strategies based on numbers 1 through 5 into a SEo strategy that works with the corporations goals and protect the corporations reputation.
            You got it wrong and can't even admit it was YOU that got it wrong

            And you really think i'm going to let you reverse engineer my networks like you did nik0's. Guess again.
            SO ahem is that an admission you have no site you have ever worked on all white hat. I wonder why?? Because you can find plenty of corporate SEO that does not utilize a PBN.Thanks for pointing out another difference from what you do and stop your lying. I did not reverse engineer anything. Knowing the locations of a PBN cannot reverse engineer anything. To reverse engineer something implies you used it in some way. People in the know know why I came to know Nik0's PBN. I got threatened more than once. I have never done anything with the knowledge and never would unless I was threatened again.

            but i'm definitely far from the newb speaking out of his arse you like to paint everyone to be.
            You were when you said I was making up the differences. No? Care to answer the list I made of how corporate SEo is different? Or how about answering if you have met 51% of All SEOs that work for companies in order to claim that most are no better than VAs

            Maybe you are not a newb talking "out of your aarse". but unless you can answer now that you have actually sampled 51% of all SEos working for companies we do know that voice was coming from there.
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            • Profile picture of the author dennis09
              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              BWAHHAHAHAHA. When you get caught in the foolishnes of your understanding just claim its been twisted on you rather than your own mind not comprehending the obvious.

              Here explain to the class how the bolded parts would have been referring
              to the SEO company (many times obvious just in the plurals)

              You got it wrong and can't even admit it was YOU that got it wrong
              Yawn. Not a single thing you've listed is exclusive to an SEO company. Not one. The corporate side is obviously not your area of expertise.


              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              SO ahem is that an admission you have no site you have ever worked on all white hat. I wonder why??
              You wonder why??? Simple, it's called ROI and leverage. Why would I suddenly change my tactics that are making me 6 figures? Unlike you, SEO is nowhere near being my end game. This money is used solely for reinvestment in areas far as hell away from ANYTHING IM related. A few years from now though you'll still be here racking up post counts and digging for sig clicks on your new "white hat seo" gimmick. That tells me all I need to know about your business sense.

              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              Because you can find plenty of corporate SEO that does not utilize a PBN.
              And you can find plenty of them that do. And just for the record, I wouldn't use one on a high paying client. Too much risk.


              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              Thanks for pointing out another difference from what you do and stop your lying. I did not reverse engineer anything. Knowing the locations of a PBN cannot reverse engineer anything. To reverse engineer something implies you used it in some way. People in the know know why I came to know Nik0's PBN. I got threatened more than once. I have never done anything with the knowledge and never would unless I was threatened again.
              You can tap dance all around reverse engineering all you want, but it does not imply you've used it. With all of those people in his sales thread with sig links back to their sites you'd be better off using that, bigger pool.

              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              Care to answer the list I made of how corporate SEo is different?
              Already did. Non of that is exclusive to an SEO company. An independent contract can work with a company the same way given he has the rep to land the contract in the first place. And yes, a contractor can have the reputation to land big accounts like that. Shocking to you warriorforum folks I know.


              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              Or how about answering if you have met 51% of All SEOs that work for companies in order to claim that most are no better than VAs

              Maybe you are not a newb talking "out of your aarse". but unless you can answer now that you have actually sampled 51% of all SEos working for companies we do know that voice was coming from there.
              Mike I speak from my own experience with corporate SEOs and west coast SEO companies. You'd be surprised, not all of them are the SEO genius's you'd think. Many of em are even outsourcing it all together and basically acting as small sales teams. My pickings with you here is that, someones incorporation has little to nothing to do with skill. Incorporating is a very easy and trivial thing to do.
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          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post


          No silly. It doesn't but the company with more resources and media exposure is more likely to get better links (which modifies the approach entirely) and if you deny that you are totally beyond ANY rationality. Will Pizza Hut more likely get a link from CNN for a product they are releasing if an SEO on behalf and using the name of Pizza hut contact them about it? as opposed to Harriets Pizza around the block?
          See, there you go again jumping back and forth. Are we talking about the SEO company? Or are we talking about that companies client? The client has those resources AND the product. The SEO company does not. Pizza hut is not an SEO company. When Paul branches out on his own (your words), HE will be the one handling those resources as an independent contractor.

          As I said before, you're not fooling me man. I'm constantly exposed to "corporate" SEO. I LIVE in google land for christ sake! What's silly here is that you guys are trying to argue and convince everybody that the SEO is different. It's not. It's just not. You can paint a bridge any color you like, doesn't change the fact that it's still a bridge.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by dennis09 View Post

            See, there you go again jumping back and forth. Are we talking about the SEO company? Or are we talking about that companies client? The client has those resources AND the product. The SEO company does not. Pizza hut is not an SEO company.
            Sigh.....good night. Can someone explain to this poor dense soul that when you work as a SEO for a company you become a rep for that company as you contact webmasters for links etc. You don't contact with your name. This is Just so freaking BASIC that to have to cut through that dense cloud of ignorance is truly tiring.

            When Paul branches out on his own (your words), HE will be the one handling those resources as an independent contractor.
            Yes and when he does and he takes on a corporate SEO client he will still be utilizing the clients assets and resource as a rep for the company and working with the company to utilize strategies that are in keeping with the corporations goals. You really have no clue whatsoever about doing SEO for any company do you?
            .

            As I said before, you're not fooling me man
            Dude like I said. I don't need to fool you. You are already clueless and the whole I live near Google so I know is just pathetic.. You not only are proving you know nothing about SEO at the corporate level you are proving you know nothing about doing SEO for ANY company. I guess you are just totally duped by knowing nothing but grey hat. If you knew anything else you would know that you represent the company in white hat link building not your SEO company.
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    Aight. Whatever Dennis. Gluck.
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      Why don't you contact the website team at homeadvisor dot com. Supposedly they switched over millions of pages from servicemaster dot com. Ask them how they did it.
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  • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
    It's crazy Mike how you actually get it even if you're not in the corporate setting. It's a whole different concept, same goal getting traffic etc. but different game plan.

    Everyone else that gave suggestions thanks.
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      Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

      It's crazy Mike how you actually get it even if you're not in the corporate setting. It's a whole different concept, same goal getting traffic etc. but different game plan.
      Thats just the thing though. You don't have to be in a corporate setting to use your noggin. When has ANY profession been the same at all levels. You could serve food and freaking common sense tells you giving out food at Burger King is not the same as serving it at a five star restaurant.

      Stay the course bro and stay right where you are and learn it well. Build yourself a corporate rep and leave the haters in the dust later when you can sign SEO clients that will pay $5000+ a month each (on the cheap end) and wouldn't give the haters the time of day much less a shot at their business.

      and for the love of God stop thinking you are going to get good answers here for SEO that they do not grasp. It will go right over their heads 99.99999% of thetime.
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        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Thats just the thing though. You don't have to be in a corporate setting to use your noggin. When has ANY profession been the same at all levels. You could serve food and freaking common sense tells you giving out food at Burger King is not the same as serving it at a five star restaurant.
        Spare me the analogies. Doesn't matter who you work for, there's only one thing that's going to push you up the SERPS. Good links and optimization. All of that other nonsense goes right out the window. A link placed by some guy at a company doesn't magically turn into gold just because.


        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        and for the love of God stop thinking you are going to get good answers here for SEO that they do not grasp. It will go right over their heads 99.99999% of thetime.
        Probably the one thing we can agree on here.
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    Public Relations is important especially for ECOMMERCE. It's not JUST SEO, but it's MARKETING altogether. There's a CMO a chief marketing officer. Under the CMO is a full team SEM/PPC, SEO, Public Relations, Social Media, Email Marketing, and Data analyst. How does Public Relations relate to SEO? Simple. Public Relations hosts a big freaking event. An event that can have hundreds of credible bloggers with high PR sites with tons of followers that attend. OR...check this out. Public Relations rents out a mansion. In that mansion celebrities are there. What happens the next day? Press releases, news, Yahoo's front page, bloggers blog about "X,Y,Z company hosts Miley Cyrus's birthday. Check out this company at _____ .com" . I'm sure Public Relations played a big role of hosting that event.

    SEO team - what do they do? They check those bloggers. Did they send a proper anchor text link? Did they put too much outbound links? Did they link to the right site? SEO works with the PR. PR works with SEO. All marketing works together.
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    • Profile picture of the author dennis09
      Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

      Public Relations is important especially for ECOMMERCE. It's not JUST SEO, but it's MARKETING altogether. There's a CMO a chief marketing officer. Under the CMO is a full team SEM/PPC, SEO, Public Relations, Social Media, Email Marketing, and Data analyst. How does Public Relations relate to SEO? Simple. Public Relations hosts a big freaking event. An event that can have hundreds of credible bloggers with high PR sites with tons of followers that attend. OR...check this out. Public Relations rents out a mansion. In that mansion celebrities are there. What happens the next day? Press releases, news, Yahoo's front page, bloggers blog about "X,Y,Z company hosts Miley Cyrus's birthday. Check out this company at _____ .com" . I'm sure Public Relations played a big role of hosting that event.

      SEO team - what do they do? They check those bloggers. Did they send a proper anchor text link? Did they put too much outbound links? Did they link to the right site? SEO works with the PR. PR works with SEO. All marketing works together.
      I know how real business and marketing works, I have a degree in this field. And unless you've made CMO, you're not doing all of the above. Period. Not trying to take anything away from your job btw, i'm speaking more to this assertion that corporate SEO is different. Doesn't matter how you go about building links, building links=building links. SEO is SEO. There is no SEO for companies and then SEO for everyone else. The only difference is the level of skill at the individual level. Just because someone works for someone else does not automatically make said person some kind of guru. There are many people browsing these very forums that will run circles around many of your colleagues.
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    @Mike, a mutual friend of ours told me about this thread, I skipped reading it, see no point. But as a friend of yours, I gotta tell you man, just leave.
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      Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

      @Mike, a mutual friend of ours told me about this thread, I skipped reading it, see no point. But as a friend of yours, I gotta tell you man, just leave.
      Yo Nest my man. Que pasa Contigo? (I probably am spelling that wrong). I know you won't believe me my old friend but I am packed and will be gone in 90 days or less. We are just finishing up a new white hat application in development and I will have little time to post here when the beta for it is done.

      I'll take your advice for this thread though. The ignorance is too tiring. I bid it goodbye..
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      Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

      @Mike, a mutual friend of ours told me about this thread, I skipped reading it, see no point. But as a friend of yours, I gotta tell you man, just leave.
      And here comes nest. Always jumping in to side with his buddy ol pal. How ironic, seeing as your last post was in September whining about how you give up IM (again). Then suddenly you're qualified enough to give an opinion? I didn't want to believe them at first, but maybe you are his alt? And spare me the didn't want to get involved rant because you could've just as easily sent that to Mike as a pm.

      Originally Posted by nettiapina View Post

      Wow, there actually were several a good answers before this Ego Warrior BS.

      Yes indeed, you should consult the webmaster, developer or whoever has built the new site. It seems completely feasible if the example you've given represents the actual URL structure. You likely need a bit of code and/or mod_rewrite magic.
      Bingo. Everyone's been trying to point out his options (self included). Either code it or get to work manually. Apparently neither is an option. He could always pray I guess. :confused:

      Either way i'm done here. Whatever they may be, say your last words with impunity because I won't be back to read em.
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    Wow, there actually were several a good answers before this Ego Warrior BS.

    Yes indeed, you should consult the webmaster, developer or whoever has built the new site. It seems completely feasible if the example you've given represents the actual URL structure. You likely need a bit of code and/or mod_rewrite magic.

    In principle you could just leave the old URLs and play with mod_rewrite to add the product names to your URLs (as long as canonicals are also changed accordingly). Not the cleanest solution, and might come back to bite you in the arse.
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    Close this thread. We have decided that I'll be doing this manual with the help of others. Thanks folks.
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