WTF! From Pagerank 4 to 0 , an interesting case study!

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Hi,

i have bought serveral months ago a good aged expired domain listed on dmoz.
The domain had Pagerank 4 and is the following:

uannabe.com

This domain was not redirecting into any website, is listed in dmoz and has a good authority as you can check on:

Open Site Explorer

Site Explorer Results - Summary - Majestic SEO

The domain was owned by a startup company that decided to
abandon the project for lack of funds.
It has not lost any backlink after the expiration.

I dont't understand how and why this good domain has lost ALL HIS PAGERANK.

Do you have any opinion?
#case #interesting #pagerank #study #wtf
  • Profile picture of the author robert5000
    Any warrior can answer?
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    • Profile picture of the author JimmyBlueEyes
      Have you been updating the site since you acquired it? What about linking to it also?
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  • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
    Originally Posted by robert5000 View Post

    I dont't understand how and why this good domain has lost ALL HIS PAGERANK.

    Do you have any opinion?
    How long has this site had this content structure? I mean it's just a gateway page with a couple of ads plastered on. Not a real website, and not even a fake website. This page is just begging to get the PR removed, and the site thrown out of Adsense.

    Google's just giving the domain a fresh start it clearly deserves. It was dropped in late 2012 after all.
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    • Profile picture of the author robert5000
      Hi warriors, thanks for reply.
      After the expiration i built a courtesy page but later i have decided to park the domain
      because i was developing the website.

      I had a similar issue with another domain (listed in dmoz with good authority), after the expiration i have put online a blog and the pagerank dropped to 0.

      Do you think that the reason is only due to the parking page?
      So if you buy a good aged domain to put it in parking, this domain will lose all the pagerank?
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    • Profile picture of the author robert5000
      Originally Posted by nettiapina View Post

      How long has this site had this content structure? I mean it's just a gateway page with a couple of ads plastered on. Not a real website, and not even a fake website. This page is just begging to get the PR removed, and the site thrown out of Adsense.

      Google's just giving the domain a fresh start it clearly deserves. It was dropped in late 2012 after all.
      The homepage of my domain is very similar to this:

      hxxp://portrushplayhouse.com

      This domain is a good aged expired domain with pagerank 4 owned by goname.com .
      GoName, Inc is a famous company that is in the business since many years.
      So, According to your reasoning, this domain will lose all the pagerank?
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      • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
        Originally Posted by robert5000 View Post

        So, According to your reasoning, this domain will lose all the pagerank?
        Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of Google! How unsearchable are their judgments and unfathomable their ways!

        But yes indeed, I think Google should strip that page of any PR no matter what old backlinks the previous owner had. Probably against their content rules, and has no value at all. Maybe they have already stripped the PR, and we're just seeing the toolbar PR.
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        • Profile picture of the author robert5000
          So it seems that buying an expired domain in the auctions is like betting on a roulette, some domains keep their pagerak, some decrease their pagerank and in some it drops to 0.

          I think that there are other reason.
          In WF there are many people that buy expired domains for SEO or for build their own private blog network.

          I invite all of them to share their experience.

          How many times have you paid several hundreds of dollars for an expired domain that has later lose the pagerank without lose backlinks?
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
    That domain sucks balls,

    And it did redirect:

    https://www.majesticseo.com/reports/...exDataSource=F

    You just suck at picking domains. Stop wasting people time with this.

    BLOG NETWORKS

    DOWN WITH THIS SORT OF THING
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    • Profile picture of the author robert5000
      Where do you see the redirect?

      I receive a regular 200 response code on uannabe.com
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      • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
        Originally Posted by robert5000 View Post

        Where do you see the redirect?

        I receive a regular 200 response code on uannabe.com
        Yeah no shit. It gets dropped when the domain is transferred,then when the next PR update rolls around. POW away goes your fake PR.


        Would you be interested in buying an antique Bridge I'm looking to get rid of at the right price.?

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        • Profile picture of the author robert5000
          I don't see in the archives any redirect.
          Write the domain in which uannabe.com has redirected before the expire date.

          Explain also why you said that this domain sucks if is a domain with a 29 trust flow on majestic seo and has 53 reffering IPs.
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        • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
          Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

          Yeah no shit. It gets dropped when the domain is transferred,then when the next PR update rolls around. POW away goes your fake PR.
          The redirect seems to go to some sort of parking page that doesn't actually have PR associated with it. It isn't even indexed. How would that scam work?

          Actually wouldn't that help the domain to lose the toolbar pagerank temporarily? That would be something I've never seen: a fake PR score lower than the actual one. It would also explain the situation.
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
            Originally Posted by JimmyBlueEyes View Post

            Have you been updating the site since you acquired it? What about linking to it also?
            Updating the site has nothing to do with PR. Content has NOTHING to do with PR.

            Besides the redirect, the site has lost links.

            Here are just a few high PR links it lost that I found in a few seconds.

            PR 5
            H-Farm Ventures
            H-Farm Ventures » Pagina non trovata.

            PR 4
            JOBtalk - HR center
            H-Farm Ventures » Uannabe

            I do not know if it just recently lost the links or lost them before you bought the site, but at a glance, it looks like you bought a dud.
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            • Profile picture of the author JimmyBlueEyes
              Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

              Updating the site has nothing to do with PR. Content has NOTHING to do with PR.
              Come on man. HA!
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          • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
            Originally Posted by nettiapina View Post

            The redirect seems to go to some sort of parking page that doesn't actually have PR associated with it. It isn't even indexed. How would that scam work?

            Actually wouldn't that help the domain to lose the toolbar pagerank temporarily? That would be something I've never seen: a fake PR score lower than the actual one. It would also explain the situation.
            Its not a scam...he said there where no redirects, and I said there was.

            The PR is not a good reflection of the Majestic stats. And the Majestic stats are not a good reflection on the sites "actual links".

            Point is he couldn't see there was a redirect and he can't see that any links that might have made that domain worth something in the past, have long since left.

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        • Profile picture of the author squadron
          Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

          ...
          Would you be interested in buying an antique Bridge I'm looking to get rid of at the right price.?
          I bought a bridge just like that on Fiverr. But after 5 weeks it got delisted from the worldwide directory of bridges.
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      Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

      DOWN WITH THIS SORT OF THING
      We need to all chip in & get you a tshirt that says that.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        We need to all chip in & get you a tshirt that says that.
        Its my PBN radio silence campaign in full action.

        CAREFUL NOW !!!!
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        • Profile picture of the author robert5000
          Private blog networks are used by the major seo.
          I have 10 networks that have helped us to rank with succces very competitive keywords that generated thousands of dollars of earnings in affiliate market.

          I am still waiting for an explanation of the pagerank drop,
          i remember you that a loss of backlinks can determine a pagerank loss,
          but if the domains conserve more than 50 dofollow backlinks from high pagerank websites it is anomalous that google assign to it pagerank 0.

          Finally: In the idiots that partecipated at the auction on this domain there was an international seo company with a portfolio of 2400 aged domains with pagerank 4.

          Lucky you that you usually place backorderds on domains that never lose their pagerank.
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          • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
            Originally Posted by robert5000 View Post

            I am still waiting for an explanation of the pagerank drop,
            So what's wrong with my explanation? You, or the previous owner, accidentally drove the toolbar PR to zero by redirecting the site to a random parking page hosted at the Google App Engine. If someone knows this isn't possible please enlighten me. Same mechanism as in the common PR scam.

            So essentially I'm saying that the site would still have PR above zero, although PR4 seems unlikely. Some backlinks are decent, so I don't believe that the site would be PR0 based on just the backlinks.

            This kind of thing - parked domains - is something that I'm fairly sure I've heard Matt Cutts call spammy. I guess Google might've done something. Do they PR0 sites as a penalty?
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

          Its my PBN radio silence campaign in full action.

          CAREFUL NOW !!!!

          ROFL.....so thats what your latest tirades are about


          Won't work....too many other people are still talking about PBNs. The hammer cometh. Buy quick and build large because in 2015 there may be no PBN domains aftermarket
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          • Profile picture of the author robert5000
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            ROFL.....so thats what your latest tirades are about


            Won't work....too many other people are still talking about PBNs. The hammer cometh. Buy quick and build large because in 2015 there may be no PBN domains aftermarket
            GoName INC has thousands of aged domains in parking with a good pagerank,
            pagerank not depends from content but only from backlinks.

            I agree with you on PBNs, someone will burned but if you have different c class IPs, different hosting companies, unique contents and different wp themes for Google is IMPOSSIBLE to detect a blog network.

            I would like to remain in topic and i am waiting for a good analysis for this domain, and PLEASE ANSWER AT THIS QUESTION: how many times did you buy a domain with an excellent seomoz authoirty and the domain has lost the entire pagerank?
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by robert5000 View Post

              GoName INC has thousands of aged domains in parking with a good pagerank,
              pagerank not depends from content but only from backlinks
              Thank your for the lesson but I have taught hundreds of people how to build networks . Listen and stop typing like you know it all when obviously you have alot to learn. it has nothing to do with content.it has to do with the freaking obvious fact that webmasters who see nothing at all on the sites will end up removing the links. Those backlinks you are referring to come to the site because the webmasters were linking to something worth linking to - a blank page isn't it. FURTHER if you leave the site offline then it results in 404 errors and many webmasters do check for those.

              I would like to remain in topic and i am waiting for a good analysis for this domain, and PLEASE ANSWER AT THIS QUESTION: how many times did you buy a domain with an excellent seomoz authoirty and the domain has lost the entire pagerank?
              None because I know what I am doing and you don't . I don't put them down for months, I don't ignore that links have been lost and I don't expose my domains as you have to everyone including the eyes of Google.

              So continue to argue instead of learning. I am sure that will get incredible deals in the future because from class C IPS, to "unique content" to sharing your domains in public, to thinking Dmoz listing gives you PR regardless of
              the page, to claiming ti is impossible for Google to go after private PBNs you show that you really do not know what you are doing.

              Is that enough on topic for you?
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              • Profile picture of the author jimkirk1943
                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                Thank your for the lesson but I have taught hundreds of people how to build networks . Listen and stop typing like you know it all when obviously you have alot to learn. it has nothing to do with content.it has to do with the freaking obvious fact that webmasters who see nothing at all on the sites will end up removing the links. Those backlinks you are referring to come to the site because the webmasters were linking to something worth linking to - a blank page isn't it. FURTHER if you leave the site offline then it results in 404 errors and many webmasters do check for those.
                Debate over that just about nails it
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            • Profile picture of the author paulgl
              Originally Posted by robert5000 View Post

              GoName INC has thousands of aged domains in parking with a good pagerank,
              pagerank not depends from content but only from backlinks.
              Parking a domain takes it offline...so explain how a nonexistent site
              maintains or even gets PR?

              The explanation is as simple as others have said. Why try to even dig
              anywhere? Buying an expired domain and leaving it parked is not
              going to do anything.

              I have yet to hear Mike A. ever mention anything about what google
              may or may not think of backlinks that existed before a domain
              expired. I can't believe that google in all its wisdom would not know
              how to relate old backlinks on a newly re-upped domain. There
              are certainly different scenarios where they would count links, but most assuredly
              scenarios when they would be wise to the domain buyer and not
              count them.

              Paul
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              • Profile picture of the author yukon
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                Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

                Parking a domain takes it offline...
                Not always true if you mean removes it from Google SERPs.

                I was researching links last night & found a parked page that also had a Google cache where the text only cache was the same text from the parked page.

                Google might remove the parked page later but it was indexed/cached last night (as a parked page).
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              • Profile picture of the author tutupious
                Does this theory hold water: PR may be temporarily suspended/not flowing through to a site that has been parked/expired or whatever, until that domain is re-registered again and back into the system? Going a step further, it would seem logical that the PR would re-appear if all the previous backlinks stuck to that domain.

                Any ideas? Comments? Right? Wrong?
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              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                Originally Posted by paulgl;8930220

                I have yet to hear Mike A. ever mention anything about what google
                may or may not think of backlinks that existed [I

                before[/I] a domain
                expired. I can't believe l
                Thats Because Mike A knows that that is not the case....... YET. How does Mike A know this? Because Mike A s using a number of expired domains. Just finished looking at a new customer's sites this morning with some of those used and its rising and rising in the serps.

                Mike A also builds networks for others and yes includes previously registered domains. I got a customer that thought just like you do and cancelled after the first three were delivered telling me that the domains would be of no value so he was done. three weeks later he was no longer singing that tune and his rank tracker told him otherwise (the network was all he did and he only got three domains).

                besides it makes no sense for google to just go after expired domains. The main place large netwroks are built are on auctions BEFORE they expire so when and if google goes after the domain market they will probably use data from auctions.
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              • Profile picture of the author robert5000
                Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

                Parking a domain takes it offline...so explain how a nonexistent site
                maintains or even gets PR?

                The explanation is as simple as others have said. Why try to even dig
                anywhere? Buying an expired domain and leaving it parked is not
                going to do anything.

                I have yet to hear Mike A. ever mention anything about what google
                may or may not think of backlinks that existed before a domain
                expired. I can't believe that google in all its wisdom would not know
                how to relate old backlinks on a newly re-upped domain. There
                are certainly different scenarios where they would count links, but most assuredly
                scenarios when they would be wise to the domain buyer and not
                count them.

                Paul
                That is interesting!
                So do you think that after having buyed an expired domain you need to
                get some backlinks because for google is suspicious that after the expiration the domain not receive any backlink?

                I would like to know like Tutupiuos how you know that the site was redirecting to another site.
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    This site is might infected because avast antivirus block it when ever i try to open it,
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  • Profile picture of the author patco
    Losing PR is easy, one bad backlink could be a reason for this... CHECK all your backlinks for a possible problem and investigate if they are NOT blacklisted!
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    • Profile picture of the author robert5000
      Originally Posted by patco View Post

      Losing PR is easy, one bad backlink could be a reason for this... CHECK all your backlinks for a possible problem and investigate if they are NOT blacklisted!
      I have checked and the backlinks are not blacklisted.
      The website was owned by a well funded start up that has received many important citations.
      The domain conserve many dofoolow backlinks from ALL THE IMPORTANT local newspapers (many have pagerank 8), for example look at the second row in the article:

      Uannabe: nell'incubatore di H-Farm il 1° maggio nasce un canale dinamico che facilita la vita a candidati e aziende - Il Sole 24 ORE

      It is a valid domain listed in DMOZ with years of work by the owners , not the classic shitty domain with thousands of spam backlinks or .edu shitty backlinks bought for 30$ from a chinese guy or something.

      Yes, of course, it has lost some backlink but this has justified the pagerank 0?

      Moreover, the domain is regulary indexed:

      https://www.google.com/search?q=info%3Auannabe.com

      If you see this domain today ready for release, would you place a backorder?

      I remember you that there was an interesting auction on this domain because many people have backordered this, or they are all idiots?
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  • Profile picture of the author duplication
    Dont be so hard on this guy. He will learn from this. Normally opportunity comes from failing many times. There is a gift here and it just maybe the knowledge that is learned by making a mistake.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cerf
    I've given up on PR. Yeah it shows something, but these days there are other metrics that are much more important. PA/DA and TF/CF.
    And perhaps AHREF's url and domain rank matter in the future too (for the moment, i would consider it a comparison figure with other sites).
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Looks like you've lost links.

    This (hxxp://h-farm.it/) shows as a link in SEOspyglass (PR5) but there's no link on the backlink page.

    No link here either (PR4): hxxp://jobtalk.blog.ilsole24ore.com/jobtalk/hr_center/

    That's all I checked.
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    It happens to us all... You learn from it and move on, don't waste time beating a dead horse!
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
    All idiots, all over the place...cuckooo...cackaaaa...Complete madness sometimes...people buy anything with a pulse, they have really no clue what they are bidding on. Like Furbies and Cabbage Patch dolls.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      CALM DOWN YOU ALL!!

      The site in question still has enough links to have PR (maybe not PR4 ) and all of the PR to that site was NOT redirects. If it were an N/A then I would say that it had been deindexed but its zero. No one knows for sure but there is another possibility.

      The site was offline and could have fell out the index. All sites that fall out of the index will be an N/A. As you all know often times when an N/A is recrawled it shows a PR Zero without an update.

      So its entirely possible that this doamin will regain some PR but OP....

      Who ever taught you how to buy domains left out a critical point. You cannot leave a domain parked after you buy it. Its one of the quickest ways to lose links and I doubt you still have a PR4
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  • Profile picture of the author Moneymaker2012
    Hi,
    In magestic SEO i see your backlink and you make all backlinks from 1 or 2 domain and this is bullshit you have to make backlink from different sites.Correct me If i am wrong!
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    • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
      Originally Posted by Moneymaker2012 View Post

      Correct me If i am wrong!
      You're wrong. It's 54 referring domains for root, and 48 for www subdomain.
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      Originally Posted by Moneymaker2012 View Post

      ...you have to make backlink from different sites.Correct me If i am wrong!
      Not really.

      If you had permanent followed links on the Home pages of WSJ & MSN do you really think you would need links on 175 other domain/pages to rank for a decent traffic keyword? That's an extreme example but I'm trying to make a point that authority trumps volume when it comes to backlinks.

      The amount of referring domains doesn't mean anything when you have an awesome link profile.
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  • Profile picture of the author tutupious
    How do you guys know there is a redirect? Where do I check on Majestic that there has been a redirect?
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    PR is based on links pointing at URLs.

    If the links always stay intact, so does the PR.
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  • Profile picture of the author gknugurlu
    I've read in an article where it was written that Google does not like expired domains especially after the new update. I've read this article at search engine journal. If that 100% true, what's written then probably may be one of the reasons.
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    • Profile picture of the author robert5000
      Originally Posted by gknugurlu View Post

      I've read in an article where it was written that Google does not like expired domains especially after the new update. I've read this article at search engine journal. If that 100% true, what's written then probably may be one of the reasons.
      What do you mean for "don't like"?
      Google is becoming very boring, he don't like paid links, paid content and now expired domains.

      All the major companies buy every day links and google know that but he have to say every time that if you buy links you will be penalized.
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