Why Not Create a Network from Dropped Domains?

13 years ago

you are not missing anything really people do that. There's some argument google might not like dropped domains as much.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by dreamtoreality

If dropped domains have a good backlink profile and can get re-indexed, why not only buy them instead of ones that are still indexed? What am I missing here?

I think its a good strategy - just that its more of a gamble than buying domains that are still indexed

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Mike Anthony

13 years ago

Three reasons keep people from doing this

A) finding good domains that have dropped already are harder to find
B) a number of dropped domains have been deindexed as a penalty and a lot of the time it is almost impossible to tell they have been deindexed until after you buy and set them up (could have all the links in the world -domains deindexed by Google penalty have zero ranking effect on Google..
C) With zero evidence (and strong evidence against) many people insist when domains drop they lose their link juice. The myth is so strong that even when you show them sites rising in ranks using dropped domains they still claim otherwise.

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Steve Waller

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Three reasons keep people from doing this

A) finding good domains that have dropped already are harder to find
B) a number of dropped domains have been deindexed as a penalty and a lot of the time it is almost impossible to tell they have been deindexed until after you buy and set them up (could have all the links in the world -domains deindexed by Google penalty have zero ranking effect on Google..
C) With zero evidence (and strong evidence against) many people insist when domains drop they lose their link juice. The myth is so strong that even when you show them sites rising in ranks using dropped domains they still claim otherwise.

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nik0

Banned 13 years ago

I buy plenty of solid dropped domains from my broker, all indexed, he takes care of that, however they don't come from obvious auction sites like GoDaddy.

In fact those are not the typical old dropped domains but domains that are back ordered (on registrars that don't held auctions) and that aren't scraped by Namejet and the like.

Domains that have been dropped for many years haven't been very valuable to me to be honest, despite decent back link profiles, while fresh dropped ones are as good as expired ones. At least that's my experience and I bought quite a few domains.

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Mike Anthony

13 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

I buy plenty of solid dropped domains from my broker, all indexed, he takes care of that, however they don't come from obvious auction sites like GoDaddy..

Nik dropped names can't come from any auction. They are dropped which means no one controls them. Godaddy, namejet etc are all expiring domains that have not yet officially dropped.

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nik0

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Nik dropped names can't come from any auction. They are dropped which means no one controls them. Godaddy, namejet etc are all expiring domains that have not yet officially dropped.

I don't know how he gets his hands on them but they come from registrars that aren't scraped by Register Compass, Fresh Drop or back order services like Namejet, that's probably why he always has good deals.

And they are dropped and he sells them like they're dropped as he always has 2 rows in his excel files, one dropped, one expired, and the dropped ones are a lot cheaper of course. Perhaps he back orders it at the registrar himself or something.

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Mike Anthony

13 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

And they are dropped and he sells them like they're dropped as he always has 2 rows in his excel files, one dropped, one expired, and the dropped ones are a lot cheaper of course.

Wasn't disputing them being dropped but dropped domains are not sold at godaddy auctions(unless they were registered again and dropped awhile back).

P.S. dropped is the same as expired. Auctions in reality really sell expiring domains not expired ones.

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Kevin Maguire

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Wasn't disputing them being dropped but dropped domains are not sold at godaddy auctions(unless they were registered again and dropped awhile back).

P.S. dropped is the same as expired. Auctions in reality really sell expiring domains not expired ones.

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Mike Anthony 13 years ago

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yukon Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

Domains that have been dropped for many years haven't been very valuable to me to be honest, despite decent back link profiles

Most likely because your buying random niche domains based on only SEO.

I picked up a same niche domain the other day with direct traffic & decent link profile, nothing to brag about as far as SEO but it still has a lot of same niche links in place. Impossible to buy that kind of long term traffic anyplace else for $10.
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  Originally Posted by yukon
  
  Most likely because your buying random niche domains based on only SEO.
  
  Recent dropped ones work very well for my purpose.
  
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hipeopo02

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Three reasons keep people from doing this

C) With zero evidence (and strong evidence against) many people insist when domains drop they lose their link juice. The myth is so strong that even when you show them sites rising in ranks using dropped domains they still claim otherwise.

What an insane claim. It must be made by people who have NEVER PURCHASED AN EXPIRED DOMAIN BECAUSE THAT JUICE IS TOO NICE

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patadeperro 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Three reasons keep people from doing this

A) finding good domains that have dropped already are harder to find

In order to beat this reason I would recommend anybody interested in getting some juicy domains to look for domains in other languages the best example is spanish, this is a market not many people is looking into it and there are so many spanish speakers on the USA that you can get a domain with very relevant profile, with super good backlinks from major USA sites, but as long as the domain makes sense just in another language people dont look for them.
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tutupious

13 years ago

Why are they then dropped and not bought if the market is so hot? I must be missing something here.

Assuming they go through the standard auction process of being sold, expiring domains that is, why or how do these domains slip through the cracks and become expired? Why hasn't anyone picked them up?

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hipeopo02

13 years ago

Originally Posted by tutupious

Why are they then dropped and not bought if the market is so hot? I must be missing something here.

Assuming they go through the standard auction process of being sold, expiring domains that is, why or how do these domains slip through the cracks and become expired? Why hasn't anyone picked them up?

You still have to put content to them. With some that can be pretty difficult.

Actually I'm editing this. Maybe some retain there PR even without content because of backlinks? Using these as a 301 redirect could be powerful. Cant confirm this though because I only build content on domains.

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SEOArbiterJoanne 13 years ago

Originally Posted by tutupious

Why are they then dropped and not bought if the market is so hot? I must be missing something here.

Because there are literally tens (Hundreds?) of thousands of expiring domains every day.
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nik0

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by tutupious

Why are they then dropped and not bought if the market is so hot? I must be missing something here.

They are not so easy to find cause almost all of the domains that expired recently and that have decent metrics are churn & burn left over's targeting viagra and replica kind of stuff. Just check expireddomains.net yourself and then go to the "Deleted" section and filter on DA30+ and you'll see what I mean.

Domains that expired ages ago have lost a bit of their power imo and become more hard to find by the day as it's based on a pool of domains that expired like 8+ years ago (back then when there were no auctions) so that pool is getting thinner and thinner.

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Mike Anthony

13 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

Domains that expired ages ago have lost a bit of their power imo and become more hard to find by the day as it's based on a pool of domains that expired like 8+ years ago (back then when there were no auctions) so that pool is getting thinner and thinner.

Nope. You are wrong on three counts. However hey if you believe all that then more for us.

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nik0

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Nope. You are wrong on three counts. However hey if you believe all that then more for us.

There are still domains expiring 8+ years ago so the pool is not getting any thinner?

Interesting

Besides that, domains that expired long ago become harder to find, you admitted that yourself in this thread somewhere above or a related thread so no idea why you disagree now. While they become harder to find you have to find them on pages that aren't that easy to find. When I have a hard time finding them through Google, then Google itself deals with that as well, and thus less frequently crawled, if at all, and thus the results from those domains are poor, multiple people at FCS forum already admitted that as well.

I bought a batch of 100 of such domains myself and tested it so it's not like I grab it from the air, anyway I just dumped half of them after a while as it wasn't worth the price of content to keep posting on them, despite the PR4-PR5 back links pointing at it and those domains were bought a year ago when they were still relatively easy to find.

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Mike Anthony

13 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

There are still domains expiring 8+ years ago so the pool is not getting any thinner?

Interesting

Yes it is interesting that you think the pool of available names is restricted to 8+ years ago and/or is not growing. It just suits those of us who know better to keep as many people in the dark. So hey doubt it ....laugh at it ...its all good.....Thats actually a good thing for me

Besides that, domains that expired long ago become harder to find, you admitted that yourself in this thread somewhere above or a related thread so no idea why you disagree now.

Of course they are harder to find thats what makes it valuable when you do figure out how to find them. Who cares about FCS forum. If you are doing it the way posted on a forum where there are scores to hundreds of people doing it the same way of course you are doing it wrong and the pickings will be slim (How the world they can't figure out the various techniques to get old link recrawled is their problem). Most people are doing it hayden style. That IS dead.

I just picked up a domain with 4 PR7 and a bunch of others links. You will say that they are too old and won't get back their juice (false anyway) but guess what?

ITS STILL INDEXED

So no the right technique does not just yield domains from "8+ years ago". It just does not suit us to explain how to do it because that is EXACTLY what killed the Hayden method.

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tutupious

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

I just picked up a domain with 4 PR7 and a bunch of others links. You will say that they are too old and won't get back their juice (false anyway) but guess what?

ITS STILL INDEXED

Mike, when you mention its still indexed, are you referring to the backlink or the expired site?

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13 years ago

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bisnismilyarder

13 years ago

Nothing wrong with buying dropped domains as long as they have strong backlinks..I have proven it..

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Excitemental

13 years ago

Most of the domain parking pros already snap up the dropped domains with the best authority and back links.. you can pick up some but it is a gamble

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SiteSpeculator

13 years ago

Can you find valuable dropped domains after expiration? Sure you can -

Is it more difficult and riskier than purchasing similar domains at auction before they drop? I think so . . . .

Couple that with the considerable time and effort it takes to set the sites up and properly build out any PBN - and I am not sure I'd want to drop that kind of time on names that were bought for $8 . . . .

My advice for the more popular auction sites is to just bid on a TON of names (set a cap on what you will bid on each name - and bid on a TON of domains) - because from what I have seen similar names can have a dizzying range of ending auction prices.

I have bought PR3 domains with good DA (20-30+) TF (10-20+) and CF (10-20+) with solid links from older sites for $20-$40 - and then I have regularly seen other LESS quality domains (with no obvious commercial use other than a PBN) go for $200-$400 . . .

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domainarama

13 years ago

@patadeperro, You're in Montreal. Think French. One of my Frenchies went from PR5 when I bought it to PR7 after the last update. Best $10 I ever spent.

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multiplecloud

13 years ago

If dropped domain with good backlink profile bu de-indexed. I think it do not get re-indexed at all.

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Steve Waller 13 years ago

Originally Posted by multiplecloud

If dropped domain with good backlink profile bu de-indexed. I think it do not get re-indexed at all.

You clearly have no clue whatsoever and are just trying to tout for business in every single thread related to private blog networks. It's no better than spamming.

And I don't think any serious network builder uses SEO hosting these days so I hope no newbies do either.
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patco

13 years ago

Google doesn't like dropped domains much... So, you'd better use those that are NOT already blacklisted, go with 301 redirection!

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Mike Anthony 13 years ago

Originally Posted by patco

Google doesn't like dropped domains much... So, you'd better use those that are NOT already blacklisted, go with 301 redirection!

Dropped names does NOT mean blacklisted. I have used dropped domains for years. Sites that I had up but forgot about have expired and I pick them up after a drop with no bad consequence. Thats a myth. deindexed and not indexed are two different things. One is a manual penalty the other is not.
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derekwong28

13 years ago

I wonder if anybody can give a guess as to the percentage of dropped domains that have been de-indexed by Google are re-indexed again?

Also, does their PR before they were dropped appear again after re-indexing?

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Steve Waller

13 years ago

Originally Posted by derekwong28

I wonder if anybody can give a guess as to the percentage of dropped domains that have been de-indexed by Google are re-indexed again?

Also, does their PR before they were dropped appear again after re-indexing?

I have bought many such domains (i.e. those that have expired and been de-indexed) and the majority have been indexed again.

PR depends on links and nothing else - if the backlinks still exist then PR will come back.

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damongreene

13 years ago

Originally Posted by dreamtoreality

If dropped domains have a good backlink profile and can get re-indexed, why not only buy them instead of ones that are still indexed? What am I missing here?

I would say it depends on how long the URL has been dropped. I would use a timeframe as a threshold. I have built a network with dropped domains and getting great results. I don't buy anything older than 45 days though. That is just my rule of thumb though.

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Mike Anthony 13 years ago

Originally Posted by damongreene

I would say it depends on how long the URL has been dropped. I would use a timeframe as a threshold.

There is no timeframe. You just made that up. If brand new sites with no links get indexed it is totally ridiculous to claim that registering a domain that someone used a few years ago will not get indexed. The only thing that will stop a domain from getting reindexed is a previous manual penalty. the only thing presently will stop the links from counting is if the site the link it is on is no longer crawled. If people do not know how to get them crawled then ...leave the goodies to those who do
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domainarama

13 years ago

Damon does not buy older than 45 days. He would be amazed how many great domains there are which have been ignored longer than their drop 45 days before. But it takes extra work to find the gems.

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damongreene

13 years ago

Originally Posted by domainarama

Damon does not buy older than 45 days. He would be amazed how many great domains there are which have been ignored longer than their drop 45 days before. But it takes extra work to find the gems.

Interesting. Please tell me more. I need to go on another domain buying binge soon.

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Mike Anthony 13 years ago

Originally Posted by damongreene

Interesting. Please tell me more. I need to go on another domain buying binge soon.

Theres nothing more to tell you except you are wrong. We certainly are not going to tell you how to find them since telling you only cuts down on the ones we might want to get for ourselves.
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  Thanks for the heads up. The ones I have purchased so far have been working great. Ill begin looking at older domains as well.
  
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domainarama

13 years ago

"Theres nothing more to tell you except you are wrong. We certainly are not going..." <---quote from Mike Anthony

As Tonto once said: "What do you mean 'we,'...man?"

Any appearance that I am in any way in cahoots with Mike Anthony is purely coincidental. Whenever I see Mike Anthony walking down the street I rush to cross to the other side.

As far as damongreene is concerned, message #40 gets my point. Drop your 45 day rule and new worlds will open up to you. DO NOT drop general caution rules, such as watching out for spammy links. But if a domain was dropped many months ago and has no or few spammy links it is worth considering. Glad to be of help.

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Mike Anthony

13 years ago

Originally Posted by domainarama

"Theres nothing more to tell you except you are wrong. We certainly are not going..." <---quote from Mike Anthony

As Tonto once said: "What do you mean 'we,'...man?"

I mean Steve Waller and I as we have said in other threads . Who are you? I don't even know who you are or did you think you were the only one that could make up a "We"?

. So cute of you to want to feel included but sorry you must earn it.

Edit - oh wait I remember you now. You were the guy ticked because a number of people (and me of course) hated your idea for a service that made you the ownership contact for domains instead of using established whois privacy services. Sorry man but its just a horrible idea for anyone to give you ownership control of their domains just to save a couple dollars. Terrible idea.

Whenever I see Mike Anthony walking down the street I rush to cross to the other side.

As well one should when one sees another on the same side of the street your are not worthy to walk besides. Its an old tradition. Glad to see it is being carried on today

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deane4567

13 years ago

I think that google might not like that. I just have a gut feeling

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domainarama

13 years ago

Originally Posted by deane4567

I think that google might not like that. I just have a gut feeling

because.....?????

Remember, people buy and resuscitate old domains all the time. There are many ways to revive old domains. Some ways might not work, some ways will work.

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Kevin Maguire

13 years ago

Originally Posted by domainarama

because.....?????

Remember, people buy and resuscitate old domains all the time. There are many ways to revive old domains. Some ways might not work, some ways will work.

A lot of unscrupulous domain sellers out there these days. Not even qualified to make a judgement on what they are looking at. All kinds of thrash being sold as fools gold.

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Steve Waller 13 years ago

Originally Posted by deane4567

I think that google might not like that. I just have a gut feeling

I'll take my genuine experience over your gut feeling any day of the week!

At the risk of flogging a dead horse here, domains that have dropped/expired many months (or more) ago still carry link juice IF their backlinks still remain.

Yes you have to watch out for spammy former use as with any other domain you buy, yes it may take a few days for the domain to get reindexed and yes the full power of all the backlinks can take a little longer to come into effect but in the end it's the same deal: good backlinks still mean good juice which still means good ranking power.

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derekwong28

13 years ago

I am not sure whether this affects this discussion at all. I used to be a big link seller but got repeatedly hammered by Google. In Dec last year, Google carried out a couple of PR update which wiped out the inventories of almost every link broker. One link broker went as far as to ban users for logging in with Google Chrome. Others are making big changes to their system.

I have in my possession a list of over 2900 PR1-9 sites provided by a link broker in Sep last year. As of January, over 2600 have gone down to PR0 or been de-indexed altogether. I suspect that most sites on that list were expired domains. I would be surprised if sold links were found on all these sites. I am wondering Google has actually reset the PR of these expired domains to 0. Either way, it is extremely bad times for the link industry.

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domainarama

13 years ago

Originally Posted by derekwong28

I have in my possession a list of over 2900 PR1-9 sites provided by a link broker in Sep last year. As of January, over 2600 have gone down to PR0 or been de-indexed altogether. ....I would be surprised if sold links were found on all these sites.

I know what you mean. A lot of my sites were kicked down to PR0. A few of them were actually kicked up. I am not sure what the rationale was.

My tentative theory is that the sites which were kicked down to PR0 got very little attention from me, got very few new posts, and the new posts were not very good. The sites that were kicked up got more and better posts from me. (PS I'm talking about a handful of sites, not thousands. And I never rented space to anyone else, all sites were mine and mine alone.)

Obviously Matt Cutts and his cohorts are now aware of the link selling business. My solution: 1) I don't sell to anyone else; 2) I try to treat my domains like real domains by adding posts and other stuff which normal domains should have.

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Mike Anthony

13 years ago

Originally Posted by derekwong28

I have in my possession a list of over 2900 PR1-9 sites provided by a link broker in Sep last year. As of January, over 2600 have gone down to PR0 or been de-indexed altogether.

See now that's what I don't understand. Why are you surprised? I would never get into the broker business the way I see it done. You are sitting there with a list that how many other people have? and you have paid little or nothing for it. Everyone wants to see the domains and check them out before buying but that only means the seller has to show it to a whole lot of people who will not buy it. Exactly how hard is it for google to get their hands on it?

Second issue is most brokers I see don't set up the sites at all (too much work on all those domains) so they sit and lose links naturally.

Third issue is that because most people still go off of PR brokers have a ton of worthless domains they buy that show PR all of which will go down in the next update

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derekwong28

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Everyone wants to see the domains and check them out before buying but that only means the seller has to show it to a whole lot of people who will not buy it. Exactly how hard is it for google to get their hands on it?

I have forgotten to what lengths and what tactics that Google is willing to go in order to stamp out link selling.

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Ursa Bratina

13 years ago

It takes some knowledge, but building a network from expired domains is still a great idea.

There are lots of free tutorials on this topic if you search Google.

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