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Hello All,

As somebody that would be reluctant to purchase and setup and entire PBN. I can only imagine that there is a place where you can add links to somebody else's PBN for a cost. Any recommendations?

I find it hard to believe that somebody has not built a reliable PBN and 'lets' it out, however, to how many people would be the question. PM if you don't want to post here.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Waller
    Originally Posted by Paul Tovey View Post

    Hello All,

    As somebody that would be reluctant to purchase and setup and entire PBN. I can only imagine that there is a place where you can add links to somebody else's PBN for a cost. Any recommendations?

    I find it hard to believe that somebody has not built a reliable PBN and 'lets' it out, however, to how many people would be the question. PM if you don't want to post here.
    There are plenty such networks around - many in the WSO sub-forum alone.

    My advice would be to avoid them. If you want the benefit of a PBN without the hassle of building one yourself then simply pay somebody else to do it for you. Mike Anthony offers such a service I believe.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Sure if you want to be on a page with ton loads of links on multiple different subjects in the same business model that Google slaps over and over again. Anyone stupid enough to rent out an entire network to another group that didn't spend a dime in building it? Nope.

      You will wish you built your own network when you no longer can. When Google moves against the PR domain aftermarket only people who already own those domains will be in the game.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Steve Waller View Post

      If you want the benefit of a PBN without the hassle of building one yourself .
      Some service providers have convinced people that they have to build these big BMR service kind of PBNs. What they don't realize is that yes that service PBN has PR5s and PR4s but you share them with ton loads of other users and the links roll off the page. I have guys kicking it with smaller leaner cheaper networks because they are sharing space with no one and they control if the links roll off the page - if ever.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steve Waller
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Some service providers have convinced people that they have to build these big BMR service kind of PBNs. What they don't realize is that yes that service PBN has PR5s and PR4s but you share them with ton loads of other users and the links roll off the page. I have guys kicking it with smaller leaner cheaper networks because they are sharing space with no one and they control if the links roll off the page - if ever.
        It's just another example of people looking for quick and easy fixes to their solutions and thinking short term rather than long term.

        As you say, owning a PBN yourself gives you so much more ranking benefit for so much less penalty risk (IF done correctly).
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        • Profile picture of the author tutupious
          I know this is a question that you really can't peg an answer to, as it varies, I know. But hopefully I can get some direction. In trying to rank a local real estate broker (my personal site), in a major metro area, all things being constant, what size of a PBN are we looking at? Does it make sense to build out a PBN to rank a single site? How powerful should it be (would 3 PR4 sites be enough)?

          It's not like you can link to the site multiple times from that single PBN site.

          Again, I know it's hard to answer such a question, but again, just looking for direction and parameters.

          Thanks guys.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Tutupious get on with it. You have had multiple question answered and had multiple threads about PBNs. So you are clearly invested. You will never learn everything on forums and after a certain point those in the real know will just stop answering. No one can tell you the strength you will need or whether it will be worth it for you. That depends on your serp and what you make off a conversion. There is no such thing in SEO as "all things being constant".

            Get busy living or get busy dying.
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            • Profile picture of the author tutupious
              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              Tutupious get on with it. You have had multiple question answered and had multiple threads about PBNs. So you are clearly invested. You will never learn everything on forums and after a certain point those in the real know will just stop answering. No one can tell you the strength you will need or whether it will be worth it for you. That depends on your serp and what you make off a conversion. There is no such thing in SEO as "all things being constant".

              Get busy living or get busy dying.
              Mike - I appreciate your responses. Obviously no one can give an exact answer, but again, looking for parameters on whether it would be worth investing in building out a PBN for a personal business, given how expensive good domains are. Again, we're all here to learn.
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          • Profile picture of the author yukon
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            Originally Posted by tutupious View Post

            It's not like you can link to the site multiple times from that single PBN site.
            There's nothing wrong with multiple links (pages) on a single domain pointing at multiple pages on a money site.

            I'm not suggesting spam out the backlink domain. If all the domains are targeting same/similar niches multiple links isn't a big deal.
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          • Profile picture of the author nik0
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            Originally Posted by tutupious View Post

            I know this is a question that you really can't peg an answer to, as it varies, I know. But hopefully I can get some direction. In trying to rank a local real estate broker (my personal site), in a major metro area, all things being constant, what size of a PBN are we looking at? Does it make sense to build out a PBN to rank a single site? How powerful should it be (would 3 PR4 sites be enough)?

            It's not like you can link to the site multiple times from that single PBN site.

            Again, I know it's hard to answer such a question, but again, just looking for direction and parameters.

            Thanks guys.
            Of course you ain't gonna rank with just 3 PR4 domains in a major city/area, unless it's already a real estate site perhaps that you can turn into a money site and then point a few more links at it.
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            • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
              Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

              Of course you ain't gonna rank with just 3 PR4 domains in a major city/area, unless it's already a real estate site perhaps that you can turn into a money site and then point a few more links at it.
              That's not necessarily true.

              First, you have no idea the level of competition. If they are doing all the other local SEO things right, a few PR 4 links might be enough to get them noticed.

              Second, we are not talking about PR 4 sites on a public network like yours that have a bunch of other outbound links. These pages would likely have under 4 outbound links if they are being used for just one site.
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    Originally Posted by Paul Tovey View Post

    Hello All,

    As somebody that would be reluctant to purchase and setup and entire PBN. I can only imagine that there is a place where you can add links to somebody else's PBN for a cost. Any recommendations?

    I find it hard to believe that somebody has not built a reliable PBN and 'lets' it out, however, to how many people would be the question. PM if you don't want to post here.
    In that case your describing a public network, not a private network.
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  • Profile picture of the author jinx1221
    You're on the fence, just looking for that little more information to give you a push. But too much thinking and analyzing beforehand might just as easily scare you away. Sometimes you just have to start and learn as you go. It's easier to use the information you gather when you have something solid to look at. I would just search for a domain, do some analytics on it, and if it's affordable, go for it. Install your cms, put some content on it, and go from there. Just my 2c
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Tovey
      Thanks guys, great advice from all. I suppose I got the same point as tutpious, I spend DAYS on Go daddy auctions looking for domains to buy, but I found very few for less that £500 each of any real quality. I then weighed this against what I could potentially make from it and realised that this would be a huge investment in money.

      I also realised I had no idea what I was doing and was going to end up wasting a lot of money if I screwed it up, which I would have on reflection. So in summary, avoid other people PBN's and make my own, any place for some good advice or somebody I can hire to help me out?
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by Paul Tovey View Post

        domains to buy, but I found very few for less that £500 each of any real quality. ?
        We touched on this already. Whats "real quality". You can't have Saks Fifth avenue taste with Walmart Money. I get the impression people want to pay BMR fees to get their own network. That ain't happening. However your sight is set way too high if you are looking at domains that run 500 pounds for each.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by jinx1221 View Post

      You're on the fence, just looking for that little more information to give you a push. But too much thinking and analyzing beforehand might just as easily scare you away.
      Some people see a forum and think okay they will answer all my questions without me applying myself. Spoon feed me. When I see that I just stop answering all their questions. Not a soul can tell you what what A PBN will be worth to you. You are the one that should know your conversion rate. Thats your job not the board's to figure out for you.
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      • Profile picture of the author tutupious
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Some people see a forum and think okay they will answer all my questions without me applying myself. Spoon feed me. When I see that I just stop answering all their questions. Not a soul can tell you what what A PBN will be worth to you. You are the one that should know your conversion rate. Thats your job not the board's to figure out for you.
        I think you're referring to me, and if you are, allow me to explain. I'm not looking to be spoon fed, just want to make that point clear. What I'm trying to do, and I feel exactly how Jinx said, is try to make as much sense of this stuff as possible without making costly mistakes. I'm not looking for a free ride either, as I spend hours on end reading and trying to educate myself. Point being, I can't fathom making such a costly mistake when I could learn off of people's mistakes and their history. I mean, sure others made mistakes and lost tons of money, but does that necessarily mean that I should dump huge amounts of cash just so I could learn a lesson? I mean, where's the value in that?

        I'm just here to learn, again, and make educated moves, without burning tons of cash. It's understandable and expected to invest some money, but when your resources are limited, you're hesitant to take the leap and make a costly mistake.

        However, I do appreciate the info you post on here and the value that I've derived from it, thank you.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by tutupious View Post

          but when your resources are limited, you're hesitant to take the leap and make a costly mistake.
          Yes I have made it no secret that i was addressing you. You have been in multiple threads looking for shortcuts. Some questions asking like three times even when everyone said no we are not sharing that in an open forum. In this case I don't know what more to spell it out to you - NO ONE CAN TELL YOU WHAT WILL BE PROFITABLE/ WORTH IT FOR YOU.

          We do not know your conversion rate
          we do not know your niche
          We do not know how much you make on a conversion.

          Hesitance and not wanting to lose money is understandable and fine but wanting people to spell out what can only be spelt out by applying your own knowledge of your individual situation is just wasting your own and others time.

          Business is rough. there is always risk. No one can guarantee anything. If you want the nice little all wrapped up in a bow this is what to do , this is how much you will make, this is how many domains you will need this is what it will cost and will be worth it then yes you are looking to be spoon fed. One or two of those - no but all of them yes.

          Heres the last fact I will share - No matter what anyone comes along and tells you you will NEVER know exactly how your site in its niche is going to be affected by even two or three domains. Sit there waiting for a full roadmap and guarantee of what it will make you and it will never come as mapped out.

          Get in there put up a few domains and the whole map changes for the better or the worse. If you want to know the whole road ahead without taking the first step better to just forget about SEO and IM an get a extra part time job or a 9-5.

          For PBNs - I'll say what I had above my check out button when I use to sell ny PBN course

          IF you do not have $300 separate from this course (I'd say $400-$600 now) that is not money you live off then do not proceed. IF you do not have that over a 30-90 period then forget about building a PBN.
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  • Profile picture of the author jinx1221
    It's called Information Overload, and I get it.. there is lots of it in this industry and this forum. Too much information can lead you into paralysis. You do want to do your due dilligence, but on the other hand, there comes a time when you just have to jump in and get your feet wet.

    I'm reminded of when I had to buy a membership software that integrated with a payment system.. had no idea what I was doing. Read their forum topics over and over, and more and more kept freaking myself out over it.

    But it came down to the plain and simple fact.. I had to buy it. My business depended on it. So, shelled out the bucks with no clue how it worked, and tons of phyched out fear. And you know what? I clicked the 'install' button. Simple as that. Looked at the tabs, what does this tab do? What does that tab tell me? Put info here, key code there, change theme here. Really not as difficult as I told myself it would be.

    So, I see how you don't want to blow that much money, well don't then.. I don't think your first domain has to be a $1000 pr6. Just something to start with, and once you are comfortable with that, go up from there. Think of this as an investment. You apparently have a site that you are making some amount of money from, right? Otherwise why would you do this? So, take a portion of your 'paycheck' and invest it into something that can increase your revenue stream.

    Once you play with that (might take a month, maybe less maybe more but that is time for more learning, right?), then you will have first hand experience and confidence to invest more and higher amounts into it. Besides, as more and more changes, there will never be a point when you stop learning
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by jinx1221 View Post

      I don't think your first domain has to be a $1000 pr6. Just something to start with, and once you are comfortable with that, go up from there.

      Actually it should NOT be a PR6. AS I told all my students your first domain should be no more than a PR3 even PR2 in godaddy's bargain bin to get the hang of the tools and checking backlinks. Problem is there are a bunch of people selling and giving away how to build PBN PDFs that make people think they can go diving off the deep end. Some PM after they buy and say "Hey Mike what do you think?" after the domain has been bought. then they say "aw crap I forgot the check that". Anyone can forget starting out So its worth it to go slow until you get the checklist habit down
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Waller
    There's another option open to you and that is to pay someone for personal coaching. They can then help you avoid costly mistakes and though you'll be paying them for the coaching, you'll save many times more than that in the long run and you'll get things "right".
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  • Profile picture of the author FranksToys
    I've been apart of a PBN for close to 3 years, but it's on a refer basis.

    It's a shame that the last guy I offered to refer from here burned the network owner and almost got me kicked out.

    Try and find a network like that, one that takes itself seriously and keeps a tight lock on new sign ups. There's a reason this network hasn't had a site deindexed in that time frame.
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    Their many of many people offer this. I suggest you to build your own. The cost effective in longterm.
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  • Profile picture of the author mkgg
    Originally Posted by Paul Tovey View Post

    Hello All,

    As somebody that would be reluctant to purchase and setup and entire PBN. I can only imagine that there is a place where you can add links to somebody else's PBN for a cost. Any recommendations?

    I find it hard to believe that somebody has not built a reliable PBN and 'lets' it out, however, to how many people would be the question. PM if you don't want to post here.
    it won't be private network but public. Besides, i doubt anyone would like to share their highest quality network even if its for money for the fear of losing "link juice" and its just not safe.

    You can find a lot of networks advertised as only 5 or 10 or x OBL but in the fact its a spamfest and whatever power the network might have is lost.
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