[Frances Norah S]

Originally Posted by Angela V. Edwards

Remember that this is because there are thieves and "black hatters" passing the PDF files around on their forums. These sites are being spammed TO DEATH by people who got the info for free and don't value the sites. Paul and I both are taking steps to prevent this, but if you have both Paul's backlinks and MY backlinks, then you have at least 80 sites; or you may even have MORE if you have my May AND my June packet. 5 out of 80 is not bad, considering that I have personally seen marketers sell ONE backlink on ONE Page Rank 5 site for $65 a month.

Ouch. I hope Angela and Paul are doing something to prevent these black hatters and thieves from spamming those sites. Or else, those of us who have subscribed will be affected real badly.
Who on earth gave them those PDF files in the first place huh!?

[Frances Norah S]

Originally Posted by charlie88

I've heard great things about those packets by Angela and Paul. Im a newbie, how do i need to get one of those packets to try?

Angela's Backlinks
http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...inks-free.html

Paul's Backlinks
http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...inks-free.html

Note: Just make sure you don't distribute/give to anyone else after you purchase them.

[4morereferrals]

Good News ... now keep backlinking! :-)

[Tom Brite]

Originally Posted by Franco Mocke

Update from my part...

My site returned after it disappeared for three weeks... Good news indeed

That's great news, what postition is your site now?

If its top make sure you secure that top spot with more backlinks so no one else can steal it from you. Plus if not then you gotta keep backlink building. Get to work!

Tom Brite

[Josiah Staggs]

Originally Posted by Angela V. Edwards

Hi Texjd,

You are exactly right. That's why I always recommend that people take the time necessary to write a really GOOD article with a GOOD bio box that will draw people to their website. With the backlinks, you can get the article onto Page One of Google, so it's not necessary to write hundreds of articles in hopes that a few of them will "stick" like so many people try to do. Take the time, write a very good article with good information (but not ALL the information the person needs or they won't buy), take time with your bio box and make sure it will draw them in. Then when your article is up, do backlinks to it and get that article to the top of Page One.

I know this is a very old post but it caught my attention. When you say, get backlinks to the article and get it to the top of google. Are we talking about the exact keyword we are competing for? The situation would come up that a ezine article is#1 and you are #2. I'm guessing most don't click the bio links. Isn't this lost revenue?

[sitywyde]

This thread took a lot of time to read...and learned many things. First off, everyone has an opinion, second..no one really knows what works...and thirdly you must get the goods yourself,because no one will hand them out to you for free. I hate wasting time!

[4morereferrals]

UPDATE: belgirls GoArticle is ranked #2 now - congrats!

[banker0679]

since you're in a good mood...are you giving discounts on your product?

Originally Posted by 4morereferrals

UPDATE: belgirls GoArticle is ranked #2 now - congrats!

[captivereef]

I have a mortgage site that is 5 years old, it always bounces around. I gets around 500 per day from google alone and about a month out of every year it disapears from the rankings only to come back stronger. I find that the keywords it drops for are the pages that target local terms like wisconsin mortgage rates.

[successmindedgal]

It's a good thing you thought about this, how else will we know how far Angela's list would work.

We'll stay in tuned.

[belgirl]

Originally Posted by 4morereferrals

UPDATE: belgirls GoArticle is ranked #2 now - congrats!

Hey, you stole my thunder! LOL..I was just about to post that...So it took a bit longer, but my Angela experiment did indeed work. Now conversions is a completely different animal, and I am not convinced that this is the way to to sell a product--but the backlinking sure did work. Thanks Angela!

[4morereferrals]

Wrong thread ....

Originally Posted by elysianfields

I noticed that some of the social accounts included in Angela and Paul's packets have now become aware of this use of their sites for link building purposes. They do need to be updated, don't you think?

[Pnigro]

How come I only see 4 backlinks to Belinda's article in Yahoo Site Explorer?

:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: :confused::confused:

[ChrisBa]

I'm finding more and more of Angela's links aren't allowing us to use them to gain backlinks.. it's time to get creative again

[Chucky]

Originally Posted by belgirl

Hey, you stole my thunder! LOL..I was just about to post that...So it took a bit longer, but my Angela experiment did indeed work. Now conversions is a completely different animal, and I am not convinced that this is the way to to sell a product--but the backlinking sure did work. Thanks Angela!

Hey congrats!
I've got a question for you. Sorry I didn't read all 27 pages and apologize if you have already mentioned this elsewhere.
Did you do just May or June and July as well to get this result?
Thanks a lot!
Chucky!

[Joe118]

OK, since I'm bored and I like bonfires ( ) I have to ask: what do people think of this new brute force service that Pete & Angela are offering? Positives if any, negatives if any?

[Joe118]

Originally Posted by Pnigro

How come I only see 4 backlinks to Belinda's article in Yahoo Site Explorer?

:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: :confused::confused:

Yahoo takes its good old time to show backlinks.. It takes weeks sometimes.

[peter gibson]

Originally Posted by Joe118

OK, since I'm bored and I like bonfires ( ) I have to ask: what do people think of this new brute force service that Pete & Angela are offering? Positives if any, negatives if any?

I'd like to reserve my opinion since I don't feel like getting burned today lol!! Then again, I've got a big mouth, so ...

Short answer, I think it's crazy. Service is already being abused to high heaven, and now it's even easier to do so. If her and Paul survive the next round of spam alerts I will be pleasantly surprised and may even get the service again, but for now I see this as taking a problematic situation and putting it on steroids.

Having said that it's Angela's product and she seems to be distributing it in ways she feels comfortable with. Since I am only using this service again when her and Paul do the links and do not distribute the sources, it's not my fight anymore.

What's your opinion?

[Jeremy123]

I'm only choosing sites where I can make a blog post,
and then add a blog roll.

Don't think a webmaster will take that away.

ChrisBa which sort of links.

[belgirl]

Originally Posted by Chucky

Hey congrats!
I've got a question for you. Sorry I didn't read all 27 pages and apologize if you have already mentioned this elsewhere.
Did you do just May or June and July as well to get this result?
Thanks a lot!
Chucky!

I used June and only some of May's..

[djbory]

Originally Posted by 4morereferrals

UPDATE: belgirls GoArticle is ranked #2 now - congrats!

It was on first page for about 48 hours, now is it has faded to page 2. I hope, for my own good, it comes back to page one.

DJBory

[4morereferrals]

funny update and unintended consequence of the experiment.

Google Hates - Bing Loves ? Who Knew ...

#1 on BING

Ahh the joys of SEO

[nofearman]

Originally Posted by belgirl

Hey, you stole my thunder! LOL..I was just about to post that...So it took a bit longer, but my Angela experiment did indeed work. Now conversions is a completely different animal, and I am not convinced that this is the way to to sell a product--but the backlinking sure did work. Thanks Angela!

"Conversions" ? Angela's backlinks have NOTHING to do with conversions. Conversions are POST traffic generation. But, WITHOUT traffic generation, you will NEVER have anything to convert. Conversions are all about landing page optimization. Once you discover HOW to generate tarffic now it's time to focus on WHERE you are sending this keyword optimized traffic.

Most web site owners send traffic to their Home Page, which is probably the LAST place you want visitors to go if you are concerned about "conversions".

[nofearman]

Originally Posted by Kurt

It's not often I see this many blatant mistakes in a single post.

Nope. It's a penalty. In the examples I gave above, you'd be PENALIZED 30 positions. If the page was "filtered", it wouldn't be in the SERPs at all.

As far as your question about the Page Title, in your example, it would be neither. In this case, it would likely be not having enough "relevancy points", or whatever you want to call it.

Also, you are mistaken about "authority leaking out". Niether authority nor PageRank leaks "out" from a page, draining it of it's "authority". Linking to a bad neighborhood may affect "authority", although in the case of a page with many links it would be the "hub score", not authority score, that is affected.

If I change my site, Google does NOT change their algo. The results of how the algo scored my site would change.

If you're site isn't in the index, then it was banned, possibly due to some penalty. But to say any and all penalties results in a ban is incorrect.

A site that has a filter applied, like for doop content, won't appear in most SERPs, but the page is still in the index. This is a filter.

WOW! I see a WHOLE LOT of speculation in this post ....;}

[nofearman]

Originally Posted by peter gibson

I'd like to reserve my opinion since I don't feel like getting burned today lol!! Then again, I've got a big mouth, so ...

Short answer, I think it's crazy. Service is already being abused to high heaven, and now it's even easier to do so. If her and Paul survive the next round of spam alerts I will be pleasantly surprised and may even get the service again, but for now I see this as taking a problematic situation and putting it on steroids.

Having said that it's Angela's product and she seems to be distributing it in ways she feels comfortable with. Since I am only using this service again when her and Paul do the links and do not distribute the sources, it's not my fight anymore.

What's your opinion?

You have an excellent point. JUst yesterday in my local SEO meeting, we were discussing this exact issue. It is just a matter of time before the search engines take some kind of action. I would NOT be surprised in the next couple months if someone starts to notice Google's ALGO either disgarding or penalizing for these links. Maybe when the DROP in ranking is NO LONGER just a Google Dance. I mean do you think Google/Yahoo/Bing is NOT aware of this ? I think Angela and Paul should pull the plug on distributing their sources and provide the full service for setting these up. The unscrupulous "Black Hatter" groups are NOT going to stop using these packets and ruining it for the rest of us.

My 2 cents.

[Zeus66]

I'm still a believer. I have a site that ranks on Page 1 at Google for a competitive term getting about 1 million monthly searches. And it has gotten there almost exclusively from a few months' worth of Angela's links. Some of Paul's too. Some of Steve's too. Mostly Angela's, though. The site went from getting about 200 unique visitors per day to nearly 2,000 on a good day and an average of about 1,500 per day overall.

Yes, the ranking bounces around a lot, but that's because a lot of competitors work very hard to remain in the top 10 for this particular keyword. 1 million monthly searches will inspire that kind of dedication. But the fact remains, I was buried on page 10 or whatever prior to starting a methodical Angela/Paul/Steve backlinking program. And just 90 days later or so, I'm flirting with the Top 5.

John

[AnneE]

Another update, my article is now at #16. I have added no additional links since completing the original 30 links.

Belgirl... congrats on the #2 ranking, even if short-lived. You certainly should have some good Karma coming your way for having started this thread. I know I got a lot out of it, because in creating my own experiment, I created my All-Star Angela Link List. Links that had withstood time passing. AND also from my posting, Jeremy graciously offered to give me some SEO pointers that I'm hoping to combine with what I already know to really rank well and make some $$. Thanks Jeremy!

Originally Posted by AnneE

Update on my own experiment -

Just to recap, since it's highly likely that anyone reading this post will NOT have read every post on the last 26 pages. Seeing Belgirl's original post, I decided too to try out Angela's theory which was basically to find a keyword phrase that had less than 500K competition (withOUT quotes), write an article in Goarticles on the keyword, post 30 links from her backlink packets to the article and the expected outcome was that it should be on the front page (top 10) of Google results for that keyword within a month. So I did this. My site jumped around and hit #5 in Google results about a week after I finished adding backlinks, which was 6/30.
Then it dropped to second page and it has kept on dropping and is now about #150. I know folks say it may bounce around a while. I guess, really if I was supposed to give the links a month, I should wait another week or so.

I am wondering if adding a link every day or two doesn't help maintain your ranking rather than doing them all in one shot. I keep seeing a pattern of a big jump and then a steady slide back lower in the rankings. Then I'll add a new link and see another big jump.

My own feeling is that the backlinks are a substantial assist and I'll continue to add them, but so far, unfortunately I have NOT found a guaranteed winning formula of:

this level-of-competition + this kind of website + this many backlinks = Google SUCCESS!!
What this and another WSO have done is make me more aware of a few lower-competition niches AND a couple ways of boosting search engine results quickly. And while I'm not finding them as easy pickings as I'd like, I'm still trying 4 - 6 (I've got 4 done and hope to do 2 more) of these niches to see if any other them are winners.

[texasag90]

Originally Posted by Matt James

Sure you do. Look... searching within quotes doesn't give us a whole separate list of sites, it just shows us the sites that have the phrase with those words in that order.

So that's who you're really competing against.

I only care about getting on the first page for my keywords.

So, actually, I am only competing against the first ten results. If I can't get on the first page, I don't care. So all I care about is the strength of the first 10 results, and whether or not I can beat them.

If there are only 20 competing pages, you would call that "low competition." But if the top 10 results have 75 PR9 backlinks and 100,000 other links all for my keywords, then I am done for.

From that perspective, the number of competing results is meaningless.

All that matters is the strength of the top ten and whether or not you can beat them.

[Terry Kyle]

Spot on Texas and excellent advice nicely summarized.

That so called 'competing' number of sites in the millions has to be completely ignored in niche research.

In fact, do you ever notice how often a specific search on Google with 200,000 (or a high number) of search results actually runs out of results a few hundred in?

[cgilbert]

I don't know about everybody elses results with Angela's links but I can give my own little blurb. With just 40 of her links and about 40 of Pauls' I have a squidoo lens at #6 in google without quotes. In quotes the term returns 13,800 results, without 1,750,000. It is a money phrase and I am quite happy with my results so far. The lens was at about 160 before I started, went to #4, dropped out of site, and now is back at #6. The phrase to my own site in the same niche is a lot more competitive so I am still working on it.

[texasag90]

The bottom line here is simple.

There is no such thing as a bad backlink (with the possible exception of inbound links from known Blk-Hat sites).

More backlinks are better than fewer backlinks

You should get links from lots of sources.


Of course Angela's links work -- all backlinks are great and some are better than others. Angela's links are a nice part of an overall link strategy -- not some magic thing that solves all of your SEO problem.

It is totally worth $5, that's for sure.

[jendoe]

I was a little worried that I had screwed something else when my article (in goarticles) didn't show up at all in Google, even when I searched with "site:goarticles.com". For several weeks. Yikes.

(I think I may have started linking, aggressively, before Google had indexed the page - perhaps that created a red flag somewhere?)

But, I did about 20 links from Angela's July pack. I slowed down a bit after, discouraged when my article was nowhere to be found.

Then I slowly added a few more. And, in the last couple days, I got to #88. (Note, my keyword originally was showing about 500k results, give or take 100k. But then it suddenly spiked to 2 million - I was 88 of 2 million). So, 88 is not great... but I was thrilled to just be listed.

I added a few more backlinks that I found on my own... (I don't think I've got more than 30 active total, 4 of which I did tonight)...

Just checked... and I'm #8 !!!! First page!!!! I'm so excited that this worked, I'm not sure how I'm going to get to sleep now

Thank you Angela, and to all the other warriors who have posted about what backlinks are, how to find them, and how to use them You all rock!

-Jen!

[Joe118]

Exactly 150% right. This is why the STRENGTH of your competition (on the 1st page) is more important by a mile than the number of sites you're competing with to be on the 1st page.

Originally Posted by texasag90

I only care about getting on the first page for my keywords.

So, actually, I am only competing against the first ten results. If I can't get on the first page, I don't care. So all I care about is the strength of the first 10 results, and whether or not I can beat them.

If there are only 20 competing pages, you would call that "low competition." But if the top 10 results have 75 PR9 backlinks and 100,000 other links all for my keywords, then I am done for.

From that perspective, the number of competing results is meaningless.

All that matters is the strength of the top ten and whether or not you can beat them.

[Jay Rhome]

Originally Posted by Joe118

Exactly 150% right. This is why the STRENGTH of your competition (on the 1st page) is more important by a mile than the number of sites you're competing with to be on the 1st page.

I TOTALLY agree. That's why Market Samurai is such a great tool IMO. It really gives a lot of details on the Google Top 10 of a chosen kw. Too many systems out there focus on competing pages but who wants to be stuck at #11?

[gavin6]

Is anyone using Pete Drews automated backlink builder.

I found it a bit of a pain in the butt ti only worked for about half teh sites i kept getting an error asking me to debug something and as far as i could see it could only post one link per profile?

[gavin6]

has any one got any results of testing sending back links to inner pages of asite instead of the home page and watching the url of the home page increase e.g i have cleaningderby.co.uk as a domain and am wanting to know if i should target the other terms such as derby cleaners, cleaner in derby etc and just leave teh main keyword cleaning derby?

[marketseeker]

Originally Posted by Joe118

Changing Title Meta Tag can hurt Google Rankings | Google Success SEO SEM Tips

Example of how easy it actually *is* for google to shut down anything they dont like. Granted, this is on-page SEO, not off-page, so it's a lot easier to determine what's happening.

Hello folks, just registered for warrior forum out of bordom really. I wanted to see what was happening. Well stuff like this still is being talked about like it matters. LOL
Change the title tag of your site and yes you could loose some ranking in the serps and mabey not. Change it back to what it was and you will return.

Look at it like this; Go to the library and pick a book out. Change the title on it and leave it sitting where the librarian can find it. Come back the next day and you will see it indexed in a different spot. Now take change the title back to the original and leave it sit. Go back the next day and it will be in the old spot. It's all about being relavent plain and simple, penalties LOLOLOL I just cant' get enough lol

[marketseeker]

Originally Posted by nobluff

What do you guys do in order to get the profile pages indexed?

If you set up a google alert for what ever you are linking to you will see when the profile gets indexed. they happen very fast some in hours

[Joe118]

Originally Posted by Kappa

How do you know what the strength of your competition on the 1st page is? Just by the number of backlinks those sites have, traffic, something else?

It does take a bit of work. Step 1 is to look at each of the top ten results and see how many backlinks they each have. If you have a few sites in there with a really small number of backlinks then it's not a very competitive niche. Small number == less than let's say 30. This is not a hard and fast rule, it will vary from niche to niche, it's just something I use as a gut-feeling judgment on whether the niche is hard to rank in or not.

Also look at the PR of each of the top ten competitors. If you find one or more that have high PR (high in this case is 2-3 above YOUR site) *and* lots of backlinks (lots == more than 800, let's say) then it's going to be hard to rank your site higher than theirs.

It's still possible for you to outrank these "hard" competitors. Look at the diversity of their backlinks. If they have site-wide backlinks from some low PR site then you can pretty much ignore all these backlinks and subtract them from their total, these site-wide backlinks will not have much of an influence. Next, look at whether they have a large portion of their backlinks with anchor text containing the term you want to rank for. If not, again, it's going to be easier to outrank them. Next, if a significant portion of the backlinks are nofollow, then they do not contribute to the pagerank of your competitor.

Now pick your "hardest" competition -- you may end up picking a site that ranks #4 over another site that ranks #2 -- and devise a strategy that will get you more and better backlinks than they have.

* More backlinks total
* From more different sites
* With more relevant anchor text
* More dofollow links

Actual traffic to the site, or the number of competing sites which COULD rank on page 1, are not relevant measures for this calculation. Your actual competition is the first ten sites that ACTUALLY rank on the first page.

This is not a science and everyone has different approaches. I do believe that currently we're operating like the "blind men and the elephant", in the sense that everyone has a part of the whole picture, but noone yet knows what that whole picture is.

Not surprisingly, Angela's packets are great for giving you links that satisfy all of the above criteria.

As this thread points out, the only problem with Angela's packets (and by extension with everyone else's backlink packets) is overuse and abuse.

Finally, any link is better than none. So drop your links EVERYWHERE you can, and ignore whether it's niche-relevant or nofollow. You don't care, to a first order of significance.

[Josiah Staggs]

You know, i like the concept of angela's links but how does this help if none of the darn backlinks get picked by google!

[Joe118]

Originally Posted by Josiah Staggs

You know, i like the concept of angela's links but how does this help if none of the darn backlinks get picked by google!

Read the free ebook here: Blog Farm Report

That's one simple way to solve this problem. Takes time but worth it.

[Matty1784]

Be aware guys! I got one of my sites into a google penalty. I did only Angela backlinks, so there is probably something negative going on. About 1000€ in loss from the traffic loss I got from the Angela Links! Be aware folks!!

[peter gibson]

Originally Posted by Matty1784

Be aware guys! I got one of my sites into a google penalty. I did only Angela backlinks, so there is probably something negative going on. About 1000€ in loss from the traffic loss I got from the Angela Links! Be aware folks!!

How about you let us know the "penalty" you're taking about, and try being a bit more specific about what exactly happened?

Right now you are looking like a joke because you're posting an ambiguous bit of nonsense with nothing to back it up. Oh, and 1,000.00 + traffic loss? Care to get into some detail about that? I'm guessing no, just judging by your post count, but I could be mistaken. Come back here and elaborate, there are plenty of us willing to listen and learn more.

[Paxton]

One of the things a lot of people don't understand about back-links is the way the search engines look at websites and the human element of site ratings and rankings.

If you think it's all done by spiders - think again. All the search engines have them, but Google in particular is hot on human site checkers. They employ people to look at sites and assign a quality rating.

If you have a spammy website with low-quality, duplicate content, why would anyone bother linking to you?

Most website owners are always looking for quality content to include or link to, the emphasis on the quality.

Why would a high PR site want or tolerate links to s****y little websites that offer zero value to their visitors.

The spiders might find and follow a link to your site but you also need to pass the human element.

Moral here is:
Quality content will always attract more links
Crap content will attract flies

If you have a quality site the search engines fully expect it to attract more links.

[BrandonBourne]

Originally Posted by Matty1784

Be aware guys! I got one of my sites into a google penalty. I did only Angela backlinks, so there is probably something negative going on. About 1000€ in loss from the traffic loss I got from the Angela Links! Be aware folks!!

Google doesn't penalize for backlinks as you have no "control" of who links to you generally. You do have control when you use Angela's links, but they penalize for outbound links not inbound links. Are you sure you got penalized? Google regularly updates their rankings and maybe your site dropped as a result of competitors becoming stronger linkwise.

[Best Affiliate]

You need to broaden your back linking out dude. You cant just use one method using the same exact phrase on all do follow sites. yes you need to use your keyword for back links but only using her packets is going to look a little weird. go to blogger and start making some posts and link to your site. write articles, book mark everything, get your site in directories, make web 2.0 sites and link back to your site. just using one method wont work in the long run. it might give you an initial boost but that's about it. I signed up with a Free system that allows me to spin articles and submit to 30 blogs for free. Thats 30 backlinks from one article. Learn how to do it right and it will pay dividends.

For 5 of my keywords in a very competitive market im on page one for 3 of them and 2 and 4 for the other two. Broaden out your linking campaigns and dont be lazy.

[Kael41]

Yep, diversify.diversify.diversify your backlinking methods

[younghamir]

i finally made up my mind and subscribe to angela's packets. i hope i am not late in doing so.

[djbory]

I don't think just profiles backlinks will get you banned, but I've been building Profiles backlinks aggressively as well as others backlinks and 5 of my websites were in Google first page and they have been penalized one by one; 4 so far. They have dropping like flies from google page one to nowhere to be found...

Fortunately some experts have been trying to help. Check this thread here in the Warrior Forum and you will learn a lot about SEO and baclinking...

Banned From Google!

Dlbory

[Jeremy123]

I have a page that was ranking and is a pr 2 and still is a pr 2,
but now it is gone from the rankings. Pretty much used the backlinks packets to get it ranked, now I can't find it.

Maybe google is slapping web 2.0 back links.