[halfpoint]

Originally Posted by Adv4less

Guys, dont get rattled over the comments of George Dube. He has no idea what he is saying. I can confirm that Angela's and Paul's sites are clearly on different IPs. Please, think of the absurdity of that statement and then consider the source and then forget about it.

What he is trying to referer too is if you host multiple domains on the same IP and then have multiple backlinks from a single site back to those domains. Which is why I have each and every one of my domains on a diferrent IP and on a different Class C Block.

What George Dube is saying is not wrong, relative to having all your domains on the one IP.

But the comments regarding Angela's and Paul's sites on a single IP is pure baloney!!

Again, even this isn't entirely true. So you're suggesting that if you host all of your domains on the one IP address then if you were to get links from Ezine Articles back to your sites, or from web 2.0 properties like Squidoo they would be discredited?

The only time you'll get into trouble by hosting all of your domains on the one IP address is if you link those domains to one another, not external sites.

[AnneE]

Originally Posted by Angela V. Edwards

Anne, I honestly don't think it's been long enough. The first few days of adding links, the "Google Dance" is VERY evident, but it can also affect your rankings over the course of the next few weeks. I know the thread is very long, but if you were to read through it, you'd see that several folks faced this same thing. They were quite discouraged and didn't think the links were working for them. A few weeks later, just out of the blue, they thought about checking their rankings again. Most of them found their sites or articles or whatever in VERY high positions in Google.

Remember, the Google bot doesn't crawl all the sites at the same time, and it almost always "dances" when it sees brand new links; regardless of how they got there. Give it a bit more time and then let me know how it's doing.

You might be right, Angela. The GoArticles I wrote for this test is still at #16 this morning, but the Squidoo lens I mentionned, which I put more content into yesterday... is at #10! Woo hoo...

[gmr324]

how would you go about making each profile "different" when so many of them ask you the same things?

Angela, what I'm referring to is the About Me / Tell Us About Yourself / Bio sections that
allow you to provide open content describing yourself. I try and take my time and fill out about 2-3 paragraphs in these sections. It would just seem like Google would flag these three paragraphs as duplicate content seeing them with the same backlinks and identical content across multiple domains. I definitely fill out the fixed field information (name, age, town, etc) the same. So, not having to spin these About Me sections would let me process more backlinks if it's not necessary.

I just use my GTEF and it has served me well for a long time

Steve, what does GTEF stand for?

Thanks

George

[Steven Carl Kelly]

Originally Posted by gmr324

Steve, what does GTEF stand for?

Google Traffic Estimator Formula. Search the forums for GTEF and you'll find my formula -- previously only available to my clients and students -- posted for free here.

[djbory]

Originally Posted by AlbertF

@djbory, if you are ranked 1, you aren't technique ranked one in every of Google's databases. If you see that in the external Google keyword that it is getting lets say 6,000 searches, this is all the searches with all the databases combined. So, although if someone searched the keyword up near your location, somewhere else, it may be different.

The more you dominate for the keyword, the more databases you will rank first for that particular keyword world wide.

Thanks Albert,

Yes, you're right! that may be one reason I'm not getting that many hits; however, most of the days I don't even get hits... That's why I'm working to improve my Keyword Reseach...

DJBory



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[djbory]

Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly

I just use my GTEF and it has served me well for a long time. I don't use any paid keyword services.

Thaks Steven, by the way what does 'GTEF' stand for? If you don't main to share...;-)

DJBory

[banker0679]

i know many ppl who host all their websites on the same IP and rank very well for very competitive keywords.

i'm sure you may know these people as well.
they all put their backlinks on the footer of their client sites.......

they are web designers!!!!

I know a few web designers that host all their client sites on the same IP or hosting provider. They dont have any problem ranking for competitive keyterms from just putting their company link on the footer of each site they do!

say no to the koolaid!

Originally Posted by Franco Mocke

I agree, many websites at huge hosting companies like Godaddy share the same IP, if will only start to look fishy if you have ONLY links with the same IP as you have

[djbory]

Originally Posted by Sam101

To know your ranking in many of Google's global sites, just install a Firefox Plugin called Google Global. Then you can see your rankings for each KW in Google US, Google UK, Australia, etc to see the different ranks that your site gets in each country.

Sam,
I understand your point, however, the thing is this: when I do my KEYWORD RESEARCH at Google External Keyword Tool I use the U.S. Territory as reference... SEE: ‘Results are tailored to English, United States’ so it doesn’t matter what are my rankings in UK or Europe, since I’m working with U.S. numbers.

DJBory



Sam,

[Steven Carl Kelly]

Originally Posted by djbory

Thaks Steven, by the way what does 'GTEF' stand for? If you don't main to share...;-)

DJBory

Google Traffic Estimator Formula.

[Steven Carl Kelly]

Originally Posted by traceye

What do you make of this article on the official google webmaster blog about the rise of profile spam:

Official Google Webmaster Central Blog: Spam2.0: Fake user accounts and spam profiles

Just thought it was interesting.

To to be frank, if you read the article completely, you'll see that what the post is talking about doesn't really resemble the form of backlinking were talking about here (unless someone abuses the privilege).

[halfpoint]

Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly

Google Traffic Estimator Formula.

What is the formula?

[Steven Carl Kelly]

Originally Posted by Pat Jackson

What is the formula?

In a nutshell, the GTEF is...

1. Use EXACT match in the Google KW Tool for your keyword phrase;
2. Take the previous month's search volume;
3. Divide by 5;
4. Divide the result by 30;
5. Divide that number by 2.

Now you will have a realistic number of visitors you can expect if your page was ranked #1 in Google for your exact keyword phrase.

[AndyBlackSEO]

Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly

In a nutshell, the GTEF is...

1. Use EXACT match in the Google KW Tool for your keyword phrase;
2. Take the previous month's search volume;
3. Divide by 5;
4. Divide the result by 30;
5. Divide that number by 2.

Now you will have a realistic number of visitors you can expect if your page was ranked #1 in Google for your exact keyword phrase.

You're probably not far wrong. Just because Google KW tool tells you that a phrase gets thousands of searches per month it doesn't mean that is the case. Many people get excited about going up in the SERPS for a phrase that get's 25k searches per month only to find they get 12 per month once they rank #1.

This isn't the case for all phrases but it is for many. I would definately at least divide a number by a minimum of 3.

[lharding]

What happened to Belgirl? You haven't posted for a while... any news?

[AndyBlackSEO]

Originally Posted by djbory

That sounds like a nice strategy... It would, however, be very time consuming, but it may be worth it at the end...

DJBory

I thought about doing this the other week but if 95%+ stay live anyway what's the point. There are too many variables involved. You could for example add a profile, then go back 3 weeks later and add your links. They may then decide to deal with the spammy profile and go and delete them including your own profile. Also, as a lot of these profiles won't offer a great deal of unique information Google will probs index it and then not crawl that profile page again for 2 months+.

I'd just make your profile a bit more complete and maybe even upload a photo. This way you are looking more like a proper member.

[4morereferrals]

So the lense is much newer?

Remember fresher newer content will get a boost for a week - maybe two at most - then it settles into its rightful spot with the others.

Originally Posted by AnneE

You might be right, Angela. The GoArticles I wrote for this test is still at #16 this morning, but the Squidoo lens I mentionned, which I put more content into yesterday... is at #10! Woo hoo...

[4morereferrals]

George ... perhaps you need a DUBE bro ...

Originally Posted by George Dube

The sad truth about Angela's Backlinks packages.

Now, back to the story, about 90% of all sites Angela is providing are hosted on the same IP address... making the whole backlinks process redundant and a real waste of time. (Sorry Angela).

Glad you apologized - cuz frankly thats pure bullshit.

So, take this with a pinch of salt... I love backlinks, but spending my time posting all my links to the same IP address to me, is tantamount to suicide.

Interesting theory- but you are incorrect.


Thank you...

[Steven Carl Kelly]

Originally Posted by AndyBlackSEO

You're probably not far wrong. Just because Google KW tool tells you that a phrase gets thousands of searches per month it doesn't mean that is the case.

Well, that's not exactly true. The number the KW tool returns is pretty accurate -- for Adwords advertisers across the entire search network. The tool was built for Adwords advertisers and not for people looking to rank in Google.com organic search.

Google.com's search volumes are a mere subset of the overall search volumes reported by the KW tool.

Originally Posted by AndyBlackSEO

This isn't the case for all phrases but it is for many. I would definately at least divide a number by a minimum of 3.

I'd have to say that it is very rare that there is a keyword phrase out there that has search volumes listed in the Google KW where the total count is not reported in a way that can be resolved by the formula.

Years of my own testing as well as my student's results prove to me that the effective number is 5. Several years ago, it was 4. The expansion of the search network has increased the divisor.

[Steven Carl Kelly]

Originally Posted by Franco Mocke

Steven,

From your experience, what success have you experienced with these link packages? What tips can you give to using them?

I'm not used to getting links this way that's why I still want to learn the best way of using them

I already know that backlinking works. I subscribed to Angela's packages because then I don't have to do any research to find the sites, I hand them off to a independent contractor who creates the profiles for me.

And I never, ever bulk create profiles. That's not appropriate.

Using a site that I'd left to languish without any attention and using the June packet, I only had to create backlinks from less than half of the sites Angela provided before my site moved from many pages down in Google's index to #3 overall for my chosen keyword phrase.

[Steven Carl Kelly]

Originally Posted by Franco Mocke

Bulk create profiles? So you don't create more than one profile per website? How do you link to many websites with just one profile?

I know creating many profiles is not appropriate, I also don't do it but if I want to use the same websites for lets say 10 websites what is my options?

I would appreciate it, and I'm sure many other warriors also if you could share with us your link building tactics? Maybe you have a product that we can buy? I'm not a beginner at this I just like to hear and see other succesful marketers' opinion and experience

First, I don't create dozens of profiles on any site. That's just plain wrong.

Second, you can create multiple links in most of the profiles, so you can link to 2, 3, 5 pages.

Third, I don't sell any backlinking product.

[4morereferrals]

Bookmarks are grand for getting your links spidered at the sites where you leave them ... as far as them generating backlinks - I havent had much benefit from it - YMMV.

Blog posting ... works great when youre the blogger :-) But commenting on anothers blog and being subject to moderation and deletion and potentially a change to NoFollow or deletion of the page altogether - sure sux and is time consuming. At some point you have to decide what your time is worth and if that is the most effective use of it. Id rather just BLOG vs. comment - so I utilize sites that allow me to have my own blog.

Personally Im not enamored with a site's homepage having a high PR, cuz the inner page im linking on is still PR zero. Id rather go for ease, and speed and I need the ability to put more than a single link in a comment box or a profile. Like you Im after links to several terms and several URLs/domains.

Originally Posted by Franco Mocke

Now that I think of it Paul and Angela's packets combined = hundreds if not thousands of links, so there is plenty to go around without creating more than one profile.

One tactic that always worked for me was blog commenting. Don't know why but I like it more than social bookmarking

[AnneE]

Originally Posted by 4morereferrals

So the lense is much newer?

Remember fresher newer content will get a boost for a week - maybe two at most - then it settles into its rightful spot with the others.

Well I've updated before and not seen a jump, but maybe this was a higher percent of text being updated -- or maybe the text was particularly keyword dense or met some of Google's other desires.

And in terms of the GTEF above, I believe this formula can be simplified to:

1. Use EXACT match in the Google KW Tool for your keyword phrase;
2. Take the previous month's search volume;
3. Divide by 300

Right?

[AlbertF]

Also, if you are doing keyword research with the Google keyword tool, you've got to change "broad" to "exact." That is the accurate number of people searching up the exact phrase.

Most people fail to do this and optimize for a keyword that has high search volume in broad, but no one actually searches it up exactly how it was presented in broad mode.

[banker0679]

If you did your homework then you would know that Pluck sites DO NOT give backlinks

Pluck is base on an image system where your comments will NOT APPEAR in the source code rendering the comments/links USELESS

I disagree on the same IP.
There is a competitor that I know personally who hosts about 20 blogs (uses Wordpress MU) on the same IP, and this is where all his backlinks come from. He ranks right below me for a lot of competitive terms. We talked about the same IP, and I told him to host it on different IPs to see the result. He hasn't the time to do it..so don't know the FULL VALUE of having links from different IPs.

I do agree with you on Doug...it seems there are immature people on this forum who like to start flame wars because they can't hold their own on a regular debate. Using foul language against or insulting other members on this forum is not permitted

[4morereferrals]

Nice George ...

Im sure it gets challenging to keep all those torrent site downloads straight ... Angela / Steve / Paul ... whatever

On the apology front ... coming from you it wouldn't mean much.

Originally Posted by George Dube

Glad to note I've rattled a few feathers, if not ALL feathers on Doug D, whoever you are.. your English and etiquette suck big time dude.. not sure you can handle an argument without frothing at the mouth, but that for a different time and place.

A typical Republican mentality starving for cookies at the so called tea parties no doubt.

I digress...

I think I know a thing or two about manipulating the SERPS...If you want my personal resume...you can PM me...

The fact that I have a few posts on this forum should not lull all the knuckleheads here to think I'm new to the IM scene, it merely means I choose not to share all my laundry basket in one forum.

My argument viz a viz Angela's packets relate to a couple of IPs that keep cropping up each time I check for backlinks validity...

One such IP is "66.77.79.20" (there are 4 IPs actually, but you'll have to do with one for now) on which all the community news sites - Fox (all Cities) etc, Kickapps sites etc are hosted... so you can discount all the links and just count one posting there...

Um, lemme c...oh, all the sites running on the "Pluck" engine use one IP... (Steve Aylor) and Backlinks Gold Mine 3.0... and if these have nothing to do with Angela, then I do believe apologies are in order.

Let's play nice now shall we children? As for the molting parrot that is Doug, grow a tail buddy! It'll make your spine stronger!

[Steven Carl Kelly]

Originally Posted by AnneE

And in terms of the GTEF above, I believe this formula can be simplified to:

1. Use EXACT match in the Google KW Tool for your keyword phrase;
2. Take the previous month's search volume;
3. Divide by 300

Right?

Yes, that's correct. However, I always present it the way that I do because (you have to forgive me) but I teach this to students and clients who really aren't steeped in online marketing. If I said "divide by 300" the question would be: "Why 300?"

It's obvious based on the formula, but I break it down into the components. Then I get "Oh, I see, you divide by 30 because there are approximately 30 days each month, gotcha!"

Lightbulb moments are wonderful.

[belgirl]

Originally Posted by lharding

What happened to Belgirl? You haven't posted for a while... any news?

LOL...I've been staying in the background while people hurl insults...No news...I need to do some more backlinks this weekend...My Goarticle has completely disappeared--blech.

But on a positive note, one of my other blogs is now on page 3 out of 131,000,000 pages. Mostly because of backlinks.

[1fisherman]

Originally Posted by Angela V. Edwards

Remember that you want a keyword that has 500,000 or fewer competing results (without quotes) but has AT LEAST double digit searches every day. Over 100 is even better.

I finally get it! I have been using quotes to determine my competition. I have two blogs each targeted to a particular keyword that have competition of 3800 and 5800 with quotes. Without quotes the competition is 42 MILLION and 15 MILLION. I feel like a moron.

Anyway, I have found a new niche with 327K for competition (wthout quotes) in the health field. Will I be able to compete with the likes of The Mayo Clinic with just a Go Article and some backlinks or should I keep looking?

[amerelgen]

very interesting here , i will wait for great news

[Doug D]

"90% of all sites Angela is providing are hosted on the same IP address"
Bu%#@#it! Is that better. I wouldn't want to offend the delicate sensibility of you nancy boys.
I'm not interested in running around trying to impress people with my seo knowledge. (like some others) If I want to feel good, I just put on my pink slippers and sing show tunes.
Fact is, stating the above, just wasn't cool. Why? because I don't own slippers and I hate show tunes. Oh wait, I mean Duople's 90% bit.. Ya Duuple, maybe you found a few redundant I.P.'s, I wouldn't dispute that. To say that 90% are on the same I.P., just is not correct. < notice how I phrased that. See, I can be sensitive too.

"As for the molting parrot that is Doug, grow a tail buddy! It'll make your spine stronger!" < what happen too > "not hurl personal verbiage.."

Didn't your mama ever tell you not to be a hypocrite?

Angela happens to be a nice person, from my observations here in the forum. So when I see someone state something that just AIN'T true, I feel compelled to challenge it, in my own sweet way.
Dublee and skippy-- You two should just get a room...or pm each other with your vast seo knowledge...and see who can impress who more? Let us know who the winner is.

In the meantime................I will be kicked back with my pink slippers, my shirley temple in hand and singing show tunes.

try not to take yourselves so seriously, I don't.

[Steven Carl Kelly]

Originally Posted by 1fisherman

I finally get it! I have been using quotes to determine my competition. I have two blogs each targeted to a particular keyword that have competition of 3800 and 5800 with quotes. Without quotes the competition is 42 MILLION and 15 MILLION. I feel like a moron.

Anyway, I have found a new niche with 327K for competition (wthout quotes) in the health field. Will I be able to compete with the likes of The Mayo Clinic with just a Go Article and some backlinks or should I keep looking?

Searching in quotes DOES NOT give you an accurate count of your "competition". The competition you must be targeting are the 10 results on the front page of Google. Even if you go beyond the front page to include deeper results in your frame of "competition" then the most your Google "competition" will be for a particular exact keyword phrase is 1,000 Web pages no matter how many Google says there are... 42 million, 15 million, those are all a mirage when it comes to "competition".

[mdzarate]

Your true competition:

1) top 10 in google SERPS, who cares about the second page. look how many links they have, PR, type of links (strong links or garbage links?) general knowledge of SEO by looking around their site, etc...

2) use allintitle:keyword if they have the keyword on the title it means they are SEOing that site for that keyword

3) use allinanchor:keyword if they have many backlinks using the keyword as anchor text then they must be optimizing for that keyword

4) use allintext:keyword if they have the keyword on their content they most probably are trying to rank for that keyword

I have ranked easily a site for a keyword that without quotes had more than 10,000,000 sites, but how hard do you think it would be to beat 100 sites that are going for SEO company, SEO services? the point is, you do not care about the sites that are not doing a good job optimizing for a keyword

Hey, I may be wrong

[Doug D]

I concur with mdzarate. I stopped even looking at those #'s a long time ago. Something like M.S. provides a much more accurate picture of how stiff a k.w. will be. Also, if you have the program already pulled up, then it takes about 2 more seconds than just typing your k.w. into G.--A no-brainer, indeed.

[Steven Carl Kelly]

Originally Posted by mdzarate

Hey, I may be wrong

No, you're almost exactly and precisely correct. The front page of Google is the only "real" competition to worry about.

[4morereferrals]

I concur ... the only hting those numbers are good for is bragging rights pretty much, and a cursory over view of potential difficulty in achieving Page 1 rankings. They can also be very deceiving if used as the only yardstick.

For example ... a keyword combo Im after [ 2 words ] without quotes in google shows over 100,000,000 pages. One of the words is a BIG word as far as pages on the web. The other word by itself is ALSO a HUGE one.

However when searched in quotes ... "Results 1 - 10 of about 390,000" most would likely consider that a LOW competiton keyword combo - based on that infoalone. I normally would also.

However; closer analysis of the top pages reveals they all have a bucketload of diverse backlinks, many many pages on their domains, and several with 5-10 year old domains.

All that to say is - those numbers can assist ... but also mislead you. Its not a hard and fast method you can count on - like the other posters before indicated ... you almost always need to dig deeper.

All the best!

[gmr324]

However; closer analysis of the top pages reveals they all have a bucketload of diverse backlinks, many many pages on their domains, and several with 5-10 year old domains.

I totally agree that you only have to put your SEO microscope on the top 10 sites
and total search result figures can be very deceiving. You gave some great advice
and it's fascinating to be able to drill down on the top 10. I just started a free 12-day
trial of Market Samurai to analyze some niches. I've also been curious about how
Brad Callen's SEO Elite stacks up against MS for top 10 SEO analysis.

So, given that Goarticles is an 8-year old domain and has about 201,000 domain
backlinks, what do you consider to be an insurmountable "bucketload" of backlinks
that you wouldn't expect to surpass a competing site for in SERPS?


-------------


I still have a question about whether anyone here feels that its necessary to spin
the profiles they fill out on Angela's sites to avoid tripping the Google duplicate
penalty filter.

what I'm referring to is the About Me / Tell Us About Yourself / Bio sections that
allow you to provide open content describing yourself. I try and take my time and fill out about 2-3 paragraphs in these sections so my anchor text fits in naturally. However, it would just seem like Google would flag these three paragraphs (which I cut and paste) as duplicate content seeing them with the same backlinks and identical content across multiple domains. I definitely fill out the fixed field information (name, age, town, etc) the same. So, not having to spin these About Me sections would let me process more backlinks if it's not necessary.


Thanks for the Info

George

[4morereferrals]

Competing against an article on goArticles or your competing against go articles itself ?

Doubt anyone article on goArticles has that many backlinks - other than angela's

insurmountable competition? Hrmmmm how many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie roll pop? How long is a piece of string?

Depends ... to me ... on the commercial value of the keyword and if you have the time, inclination and resources to get r done.

Here's one of my competitors - I saw their yahoo stats and bout soiled my underoos ... however - you gotta dig deeper ... 50k backlinks? damn!

https://siteexplorer.search.yahoo.co...inkpartner.com

Well Angela outranks them ... and so do I ... I can only peep 1,000 of their links so I dont know for sure why it is ... it isnt my "quality" or relevancy of my backlinks [ as Im trying to prove those issues other wise] - other than all my links are anchor text for my keyword[s]...

So ... damn - sometimes ya just never know.

Originally Posted by gmr324

I totally agree that you only have to put your SEO microscope on the top 10 sites
and total search result figures can be very deceiving. You gave some great advice
and it's fascinating to be able to drill down on the top 10. I just started a free 12-day
trial of Market Samurai to analyze some niches. I've also been curious about how
Brad Callen's SEO Elite stacks up against MS for top 10 SEO analysis.

So, given that Goarticles is an 8-year old domain and has about 201,000 domain
backlinks, what do you consider to be an insurmountable "bucketload" of backlinks
that you wouldn't expect to surpass a competing site for in SERPS?

Thanks for the Info

George

[4morereferrals]

I still have a question about whether anyone here feels that its necessary to spin
the profiles they fill out on Angela's sites to avoid tripping the Google duplicate
penalty filter.

IMHO - waste of time over analyzing a "penalty" that doesn't exist.

I doubt there is many others here that have more "duplicate" About Me texts filled with anchor text backlinks than me at this time. It does not seem to be hindering my sites advancement in the serps.

Site went live late April 09. Started throwing tons of backlinks at it 5/15/09 - due to timing of product launch and over stretched. Done it hap hazardly [ by my standards ] since then. 5/15/09 entered index around #43. Just crested Page one today sitting at #9 ... second time its been on page one. Last time was for 1 day. Been sitting at #15-17 for the last week. Hope it lasts longer this time ... doing what I can to ensure it does ;-) BGM3 for the win ....

[gmr324]

Hi,

Well, I'm referring to this experiment which I tried myself to get a Goarticle to be
in the top 10. In my mind, given the top 10 traffic breakdown, it's only worth
pursuing a niche if I get my article to be in position #1. I actually did accomplish
acheiving position #1 in my experiment (370,000 no quotes / 18,000 quotes),
but it took around 250 of Angela and Paul's backlinks and about one month.

Unfortunately, this niche I selected did not convert that well and is not a "money
keyword". I'm getting around 160 article page views per day, 5% click throughs
and 0.5% conversions. I may need to experiment with a more optimal Goarticle
layout next time. Would be great if we could put banners and/or videos in there.
Nonetheless, I proved to myself that, given enough volume, these links absolutely
do work.

So, I'm in the planning stages of my next Goarticle, and noticed that many of
the money keywords are obviously extremely competitive. So, I trying to avoid picking
a niche which will require 1,000 backlinks and 3 months of time. I guess that's
the real balancing act with this Goarticle strategy. That's why I'm trying to
get very precise about this top 10 analysis in the context of pursuing another
Goarticle experiment.

I'd like to think it's possible to gauge approximately how many of these backlinks
it would take to achieve position 1 for a given niche. Of course, that would only
be after having analyzing the crap out of the top 10 using MS or SEO Elite.

Any thoughts?

Thanks

George

[4morereferrals]

Backlink your own content on your own site.

Ranking an article is nifty for experiments and proving a point ... but if your going for niches you can dominate - dominate with your blog/site etc ... NOT an article where GoArticles or other directory dictates where you can put links, and ... where they can even hijack keywords in your article and put their own distracting affiliate links in!

Originally Posted by gmr324

Hi,

Well, I'm referring to this experiment which I tried myself to get a Goarticle to be
in the top 10. In my mind, given the top 10 traffic breakdown, it's only worth
pursuing a niche if I get my article to be in position #1. I actually did accomplish
acheiving position #1 in my experiment (370,000 no quotes / 18,000 quotes),
but it took around 250 of Angela and Paul's backlinks and about one month.

Unfortunately, this niche I selected did not convert that well and is not a "money
keyword". I'm getting around 160 article page views per day, 5% click throughs
and 0.5% conversions. I may need to experiment with a more optimal Goarticle
layout next time. Would be great if we could put banners and/or videos in there.
Nonetheless, I proved to myself that, given enough volume, these links absolutely
do work.

So, I'm in the planning stages of my next Goarticle, and noticed that many of
the money keywords are obviously extremely competitive. So, I trying to avoid picking
a niche which will require 1,000 backlinks and 3 months of time. I guess that's
the real balancing act with this Goarticle strategy. That's why I'm trying to
get very precise about this top 10 analysis in the context of pursuing another
Goarticle experiment.

I'd like to think it's possible to gauge approximately how many of these backlinks
it would take to achieve position 1 for a given niche. Of course, that would only
be after having analyzing the crap out of the top 10 using MS or SEO Elite.

Any thoughts?

Thanks

George

[gmr324]

Goarticles ended their own experiment with injecting links two weeks ago. I guess I firmly
believe that one of the main reasons I was able to achieve position #1 in one month
was that I was leveraging the 8-year old trusted aged domain and 201,000 domain backlinks
and ton's of .edu backlinks that already exist with the Goarticle site. If I tried that same
experiment with a brand new blog domain, it may have required triple the number of backlinks
and 6 months of time (assuming the site didn't get swallowed up in the sandbox).

Am I wrong in thinking this way?

Thanks

George

[Angela V. Edwards]

Originally Posted by gmr324

Goarticles ended their own experiment with injecting links two weeks ago. I guess I firmly
believe that one of the main reasons I was able to achieve position #1 in one month
was that I was leveraging the 8-year old trusted aged domain and 201,000 domain backlinks
and ton's of .edu backlinks that already exist with the Goarticle site. If I tried that same
experiment with a brand new blog domain, it may have required triple the number of backlinks
and 6 months of time (assuming the site didn't get swallowed up in the sandbox).

Am I wrong in thinking this way?

Thanks

George

Hi George,

You are exactly RIGHT about this and that is why I recommend that new marketers work on getting an article to the top of Page One quickly. Steve is right in that it is also very good to get the backlinks for your own site as well, as in the long run, this will be a huge benefit to you. I put two links on every site; one to my article and one to my website. That takes care of both rather nicely.

[4morereferrals]

I think so ...

Searchgoogle for : panic attack heart symptoms

a goofy blog post I did on a goofy site from my report outranks 4 other known goArticles optimized for the same term. Ive had 4 other blog posts off other sites with much lower PR and few backlinks to their domain home page also rank in spots 4-7 above goArticles articles in question.

The blog post i did has NO backlinks to it done by me or anyone else I know of ... its domain home page has a PR4 i think - and frankly I have no idea HOW it has that.

Id take placing 5x the number of backlinks to make my own stuff rank over another having control over my content and destiny. Factory in the lost conversions of the extra step the article creates in a niche that IS a money niche for you and doing hte extra backlinks seems like a no brainer to me.

But then I dont get backlinks the way most folks do anymore. Doing 5x the number of backlinks doesnt deter me any longer.

Fran Murray ... Auto Golddigger ... The BOMB!

Originally Posted by gmr324

Goarticles ended their own experiment with injecting links two weeks ago. I guess I firmly
believe that one of the main reasons I was able to achieve position #1 in one month
was that I was leveraging the 8-year old trusted aged domain and 201,000 domain backlinks
and ton's of .edu backlinks that already exist with the Goarticle site. If I tried that same
experiment with a brand new blog domain, it may have required triple the number of backlinks
and 6 months of time (assuming the site didn't get swallowed up in the sandbox).

Am I wrong in thinking this way?

Thanks

George

[gmr324]

Hi Angela,

Thanks for the response. The interesting thing is that I typically will try
and find 3-4 long tail keywords for a Goarticle niche. That way, I have
more long tail traffic feeding my article and don't rely on just one sub-niche
and have all my eggs in one basket. So, I am typically already putting 3-4
backlinks per profile (the order of which I rotate so the link juice is spread evenly).
So, there really isn't room for adding yet another backlink to my own site
in those same profiles.

Thanks

George

[4morereferrals]

Great strategy as well Angela ... I do my eza articles in a 3:1 ratio to make sure my $$$ site should rank higher. For every one link to my articles - 3 to the money sites [on average ] I should have mentioned something about that.

Originally Posted by Angela V. Edwards

Hi George,

You are exactly RIGHT about this and that is why I recommend that new marketers work on getting an article to the top of Page One quickly. Steve is right in that it is also very good to get the backlinks for your own site as well, as in the long run, this will be a huge benefit to you. I put two links on every site; one to my article and one to my website. That takes care of both rather nicely.

[gmr324]

Searchgoogle for : panic attack heart symptoms

a goofy blog post I did on a goofy site from my report outranks 4 other known goArticles optimized for the same term.

I only found a goarticle on page 2 in positon 15 and am not sure which of the
other results is your blog post

[4morereferrals]

Originally Posted by gmr324

I only found a goarticle on page 2 in positon 15 and am not sure which of the
other results is your blog post

Looks like result #8 - the first entry showing Panic Attack Heart Symptoms

knowitallvideo site ...

[Steven Carl Kelly]

While I understand that there are those who feel linking to their article in a directory makes a lot of sense, I would state that if you have to pick one or the other, you should link to your own site before you link to an article.

If you don't think you can make the FP of Google with your own page, perhaps you should re-consider your niche/keyword phrase selection.

If you can easily link to both, then go right ahead and do so.

[Doug D]

I would have to reinforce the--work on links for your own site, sentiment. Admittedly, I don't do the affiliate or adsense thing. I just have one ecommerce site, but I can't imagine putting that kind of effort into ranking an article on a site that you don't control or own. I suppose it depends on your biz model and long term goals. It seems to me though, that your putting in the time, and you could benefit in the long run....by building up your authority for your own site. I was able to achieve a PR3 on many of my inner pages, in a matter of the last two PR updates that we had (I was a PR0, approx 9 weeks ago). I attribute most of my rankings and PR increase, to A & P's sites. Who Knows? Maybe I'll even catch a 4 on the next update? Like my Daddy use to tell me--"Son, even the sun shines on a dog's ass, somedays."
Not that PR is all that, I'm just saying that you could probably achieve similar results for your own site, as you are obviously already putting in the time.

[gmr324]

If you don't think you can make the FP of Google with your own page, perhaps you should re-consider your niche/keyword phrase selection.

I think that's the luxury that Goarticles provides. You can break into niches that
might not otherwise be accessible in a reasonable periood of time. Now, the
obvious trade-off is the lack of control affecting conversions like not being
able to insert banners and videos. However, if you can break into a competitive
niche that provides access to quadruple the traffic in a month or so, you can
afford to live with a lower conversion ratio. My mistake was in not realizing the
distinction between tire-kicker and money keywords. Live and learn.

By all means, pursue both realizing what you're sacrificing in each case.

My 2 Cents

George