Youtube:The beginning of the end is finally here

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Looks like the big G finally got around to kicking over your little toy empires. Here's the afternoon funnies/butthurt for those of you that missed it:

http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackha...happening.html

This one was sooooo obvious. Remember BMR? Once everyone jumps on the bandwagon, run.

My next prediction is that G will continue to tackle this on through the Spring for those of you that made it through the cracks. This will then cause a mass migration of butthurt from BHW to the WF. Yep, this is just the beginning folks.

Following that will come the private network madness late in the Fall. Gotta give my man Mike credit for that one, didn't think it was viable until he posted about targeting the auction market. Welcome to SEO in 2014. Ya'll ain't ready.
#beginning #end #finally #youtubethe
  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    I've never said this before but life is better ranking self hosted videos.

    BTW, each time someones mentions a -50 penalty a kitten dies.
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  • Profile picture of the author DPM70
    I got a -50 pen on a funny cat pics site once.

    ...Doh...
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  • Profile picture of the author GyuMan82
    I don't see how this is different than any other algorithm update.

    There have been a lot of ups and downs over the past month.

    I don't think this is "YouTube specific".
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    • Profile picture of the author dennis09
      Originally Posted by GyuMan82 View Post

      There have been a lot of ups and downs over the past month.

      I don't think this is "YouTube specific".
      I haven't noticed anything out of the ordinary this month. Then again I don't do Youtube spam. The BHW thread posted above was found by someone and shared in a skype group after a lot of whining. One poor guy in particular spent the last year or so building a little "empire" and bragging about it. Most of that got wiped out along with a few other people.

      As big and widespread as this little strategy has become you'd have to have your head buried 6 feet deep to not see the obvious coming. Google OWNS Youtube for christ sake lol. Nowadays if you find something that works, best to keep it to yourself. Sounds selfish but hey, live and you learn.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
        Originally Posted by dennis09 View Post

        I haven't noticed anything out of the ordinary this month. Then again I don't do Youtube spam. The BHW thread posted above was found by someone and shared in a skype group after a lot of whining. One poor guy in particular spent the last year or so building a little "empire" and bragging about it. Most of that got wiped out along with a few other people.

        As big and widespread as this little strategy has become you'd have to have your head buried 6 feet deep to not see the obvious coming. Google OWNS Youtube for christ sake lol. Nowadays if you find something that works, best to keep it to yourself. Sounds selfish but hey, live and you learn.
        I've never understood why people went apeshit ranking YT video in the first place. Just never made sense to me, ranking a page that will be full of your comps videos too.

        In the hope that they click through your single link. And only after that can you try convert them into something other then a tyre kicker who was probably channel hoping YT out of pure boredom with no commercial intent in the first place.

        If it's a cheap spam ride your after, a web2.0 makes a lot more sense to me.

        Or am I just totally ignorant, and YT is some type of mega goldmine? I can't remember ever clicking any links on YT to take me away from it. I watch YT for music and funny videos. I've never thought about buying my car insurance through it.
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        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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          Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

          I've never understood why people went apeshit ranking YT video in the first place. Just never made sense to me, ranking a page that will be full of your comps videos too.

          In the hope that they click through your single link. And only after that can you try convert them into something other then a tyre kicker who was probably channel hoping YT out of pure boredom with no commercial intent in the first place.

          If it's a cheap spam ride your after, a web2.0 makes a lot more sense to me.

          Or am I just totally ignorant, and YT is some type of mega goldmine? I can't remember ever clicking any links on YT to take me away from it. I watch YT for music and funny videos. I've never thought about buying my car insurance through it.
          Afaik the only reason they used Youtube is cause they were able to get away with spam links, that way their "valuable" softwares still had a purpose.

          Besides that they could rank inside Youtube with those fake retention views I suppose, which is just an extra traffic source besides organics from Google.

          So yeah it makes sense in some way.

          Now that it doesn't work with Youtube anymore it will probably also not work with other sites anymore, like Terry Kyle teaches to leech of authority sites instead of building pages on your own money site.
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  • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
    #1) I know those members on BHW and can vouch for the fact that most of them are teens and suck at video marketing.

    #2) I have over 500 YT videos ranking on page 1 of G and I have not had ANY loss of rankings. All my videos that ranked #1 are still ranking #1. And some of those videos are almost 2 years old now.

    #3) I doubt you will see people from BHW coming to WF. Over the last 6 months I've been doing a lot more posting on BHW than here. BHW gives you a lot more strategies, they're a lot more specific, there is very little censorship, and I tend to find much better threads over there than WF.

    Both forums have their pros and cons. But one thing I've always like about BHW is the anti-wso attitude. Like over here, if you want ANY real specific strategies, you better expect to pay for them. Over there, people share very detailed, specific strategies for free. And the IM journey section is awesome. TBPO, a newbie can learn A LOT MORE just by reading through the journey section of BHW (for free) than buying WSOs on here.

    On WF, if you ask "how to rank a video", you get people saying crap like "post the video on forums" or "get links on yahoo answers". On BHW, people tell you the truth and what actually works best. Which is, "blast your video with retention views, likes, subs then spam it till it ranks on G".

    I love both forums. But I don't hang on here as much because 90% of the threads are the same newbie threads over and over. There are way too many newbs on this forum. Theres lots of newbs on BHW too, but people aren't as polite as they are here. On BHW if you ask a stupid question, people will tell you to go **** off. On here, people LOVE answering stupid questions. Which attracts more and more stupid questions and dilutes down the value of the forum.

    Anyway, back on topic. This is definitely not the end of youtube. I upload at least 2-3 new videos a day and all my videos are still moving up the SERPs slowly and ranking on G. Most of the videos that got deranked were 30-60 second videos with 1 image that points to the description. But if you're doing high quality videos, and spamming them "properly", they're still ranking perfectly fine.

    -RS

    ps. This is just my CB earnings (I also do CPA and lots of local lead gen). Its not recent but last week I hit $350, and this week its looking like I might break $400. So my earnings are technically going up.

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    • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
      Originally Posted by RedShifted View Post

      #2) I have over 500 YT videos ranking on page 1 of G and I have not had ANY loss of rankings. All my videos that ranked #1 are still ranking #1. And some of those videos are almost 2 years old now.
      Now I know what your using that GSA for.
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      • Profile picture of the author dennis09
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        Afaik the only reason they used Youtube is cause they were able to get away with spam links, that way their "valuable" softwares still had a purpose.
        Exactly. I mean let's be honest. It's a big heaping pile of crap that's just waiting to fall. Crap In=Crap Out

        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        Now that it doesn't work with Youtube anymore it will probably also not work with other sites anymore, like Terry Kyle teaches to leech of authority sites instead of building pages on your own money site.
        I'm sure it still works, plenty of people still slipping through the cracks. First you gotta get em by the balls, then you twist.

        Originally Posted by RedShifted View Post

        I doubt you will see people from BHW coming to WF. Over the last 6 months I've been doing a lot more posting on BHW than here. BHW gives you a lot more strategies, they're a lot more specific, there is very little censorship, and I tend to find much better threads over there than WF.

        Both forums have their pros and cons. But one thing I've always like about BHW is the anti-wso attitude. Like over here, if you want ANY real specific strategies, you better expect to pay for them. Over there, people share very detailed, specific strategies for free. And the IM journey section is awesome. TBPO, a newbie can learn A LOT MORE just by reading through the journey section of BHW (for free) than buying WSOs on here.

        On WF, if you ask "how to rank a video", you get people saying crap like "post the video on forums" or "get links on yahoo answers". On BHW, people tell you the truth and what actually works best. Which is, "blast your video with retention views, likes, subs then spam it till it ranks on G".

        I love both forums. But I don't hang on here as much because 90% of the threads are the same newbie threads over and over. There are way too many newbs on this forum. Theres lots of newbs on BHW too, but people aren't as polite as they are here. On BHW if you ask a stupid question, people will tell you to go **** off. On here, people LOVE answering stupid questions. Which attracts more and more stupid questions and dilutes down the value of the forum.
        Red you hit the nail on the head!

        Seeing the same questions over and over again here started to drive me up the wall after a while. I really don't see how you can hang around here for long periods of time and not lose it. Then again I guess that explains why some of the older members are the way they are. And pretty much everywhere you go there's a big anti-wf/anti-wso mentality.


        Originally Posted by RedShifted View Post

        But if you're doing high quality videos, and spamming them "properly"
        How much time and money have you invested in this? If that's your primary source of income, then i'd be real nervous right now.

        Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

        Now I know what your using that GSA for.
        Using it on competitors.

        Just kidding, Hippeo does that.
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        • Profile picture of the author dennis09
          Originally Posted by Meloman

          I am truly amazed by the amount of people that are surprised, shocked, etc. WTF did you really think, you thought Google was just going to sit back and let YouTube run its course and be controlled by spammers. If you look back at my posts I have been saying this for a while treat your videos like a website, but no, all you see is threads like "how to rank youtube video in a week" or "how to spam youtube video". All I have to say that to those who got there websites deindexed or lost rankings -- Your ignorance came back to bite you.

          Well there goes my rant. I recommend all of you that fit the description to quit IM, itmakes my life a lot easier.
          Lots of funnies lol
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    • Profile picture of the author HKSEO Extropy
      Originally Posted by RedShifted View Post


      Both forums have their pros and cons. But one thing I've always like about BHW is the anti-wso attitude. Like over here, if you want ANY real specific strategies, you better expect to pay for them.

      It's funny you say this... We've been blogging things like SEO recipes and case studies for that exact reason, including one on YT earlier this week. I've long since given up on finding a good WSO that isn't a rehash and spend way more time on BHW as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    I share as much as I can here on Warrior Forum for free without shooting myself in the foot. Give up every single thing you know & the masses will drive it into the dirt & your own self taught techniques will be screwed.

    Google does troll forums. Remember the Matt C. tweet a month or so back laughing at the BH forum sales page?

    [hxxps://twitter.com/mattcutts/status/409038881825095681]

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    BTW, I remember helping Red a year or so back when one of his sites was blasted with spam links.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ghoster
    I'm kind of glad. Misleading promotional videos on YT are really annoying.
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    • Profile picture of the author dennis09
      Originally Posted by HKSEO Extropy View Post

      I've long since given up on finding a good WSO that isn't a rehash and spend way more time on BHW as well.
      Ironically enough, the best WSO i've come across I downloaded for free on BHW.

      Originally Posted by Ghoster View Post

      I'm kind of glad. Misleading promotional videos on YT are really annoying.
      A few gems out there. If you missed this video then you'll want to take notes. THIS, is how you rank in google:


      Just follow that recipe, and just like baking cookies you'll be #1.
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    It might be really annoying & that's perfectly fine.
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