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Backlinks Form Penalted Sites? Will Those Hurt My New Site?

by SocialDemon
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Well one of my sites just got hit by Google as it was thrown from #3 to #88. Now I already developed a new site and did some backlinks to that. My new site is now on #22 after working just 1 week. Now I am thinking whether to redirect my old site to new site to pass some link juice or to create a contaxtual backlink from old site to new site. Now question is will this hurt my new site as I am getting backlinks from a punished site?
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  • Profile picture of the author James-
    I can confirm to you that if you 301 the entire site the penalty will get passed on.

    If you create a single link from it to your new site though, I'm not so sure if this will do harm, good, or nothing at all. I would be interested to know this 2nd part.
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    • Profile picture of the author writeaway
      Originally Posted by James- View Post

      I can confirm to you that if you 301 the entire site the penalty will get passed on.
      301 redirects to evade penalties used to work right after Panda. Not anymore The good news is that Google is a bit more liberal regarding manual penalties though. I guess that's good news...
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Dropping in the SERPs doesn't mean the site has a penalty. According to OP there's no proof of a penalty, yet you've bailed on the site to start a 2nd site targeting the same keyword (why?).
    • Lost links will also put your page at position #88.
    • Drastic on-page (ex: theme change) will drop a page in the SERPs.

    What's your proof of a penalty?
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    • Profile picture of the author SocialDemon
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Dropping in the SERPs doesn't mean the site has a penalty. According to OP there's no proof of a penalty, yet you've bailed on the site to start a 2nd site targeting the same keyword (why?).
      • Lost links will also put your page at position #88.
      • Drastic on-page (ex: theme change) will drop a page in the SERPs.

      What's your proof of a penalty?
      Hey Yukon, nice to see you here. Hope I will get a good experience now.

      Well I am not sure how to check a site to see whether it got penalty or not. My site was ranking well for some low competitive keywords. Search volume for the keywords are not really very high. Just 500 to 5000/month. Well my site was getting 2K+ traffic and making 1K+/month. Which was impressive. One morning suddenly I noticed the site is not getting traffic as it used to get everyday. Then I have found for almost all of the keywords the site was sent to 70 to 180 positions. I thought this is because of penalty. Now can you tell me how can I check whether my site got penalty or not?

      And the main question was will my site get hurt if I build backlinks from a penalted site? Can you confirm me about this issue?
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      • Profile picture of the author larryboy03
        Originally Posted by SocialDemon View Post

        Hey Yukon, nice to see you here. Hope I will get a good experience now.

        Well I am not sure how to check a site to see whether it got penalty or not. My site was ranking well for some low competitive keywords. Search volume for the keywords are not really very high. Just 500 to 5000/month. Well my site was getting 2K+ traffic and making 1K+/month. Which was impressive. One morning suddenly I noticed the site is not getting traffic as it used to get everyday. Then I have found for almost all of the keywords the site was sent to 70 to 180 positions. I thought this is because of penalty. Now can you tell me how can I check whether my site got penalty or not?

        And the main question was will my site get hurt if I build backlinks from a penalted site? Can you confirm me about this issue?
        Your "JUMPING" to conclusions! Sites new and old go through the dance. This happened to my site 2 months ago and I kept link building, after 2-3 weeks, boom!! Page 1 and traffic is flowing. Keep at it!

        I lost all rankings and they all came back higher.
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by SocialDemon View Post

        Hey Yukon, nice to see you here. Hope I will get a good experience now.

        Well I am not sure how to check a site to see whether it got penalty or not. My site was ranking well for some low competitive keywords. Search volume for the keywords are not really very high. Just 500 to 5000/month. Well my site was getting 2K+ traffic and making 1K+/month. Which was impressive. One morning suddenly I noticed the site is not getting traffic as it used to get everyday. Then I have found for almost all of the keywords the site was sent to 70 to 180 positions. I thought this is because of penalty. Now can you tell me how can I check whether my site got penalty or not?

        And the main question was will my site get hurt if I build backlinks from a penalted site? Can you confirm me about this issue?
        If the site is connected to WMT check there for warning messages.

        One way to test If you have a SERP penalty is to rank a really longtail relevant keyword (new webpage, same domain) that doesn't have any competition. If that test gets you a ranked page there's no penalty on the domain.

        If that longtail test works it's most likely a backlink problem on the old webpages that dropped in the SERPs. Verify your old backlinks that previously ranked your pages, do they still exist, are they still followed links?

        I guess your backlink profile is decent & no junk link blast or obvious spammy links.
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        • Profile picture of the author SocialDemon
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          If the site is connected to WMT check there for warning messages.

          One way to test If you have a SERP penalty is to rank a really longtail relevant keyword (new webpage, same domain) that doesn't have any competition. If that test gets you a ranked page there's no penalty on the domain.

          If that longtail test works it's most likely a backlink problem on the old webpages that dropped in the SERPs. Verify your old backlinks that previously ranked your pages, do they still exist, are they still followed links?

          I guess your backlink profile is decent & no junk link blast or obvious spammy links.

          Makes sense! Well the backlinks are to homepage. This is big problem. If those are pointed to a webpage I could easily remove the page and create new one. However yes, I didn't do any link blast.

          Yukon but the main question is not answered rather making some arrogant comments by some warriors... Backlinks from penalted sites can hurt your websites?
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          • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
            Originally Posted by SocialDemon View Post

            Makes sense! Well the backlinks are to homepage. This is big problem. If those are pointed to a webpage I could easily remove the page and create new one. However yes, I didn't do any link blast.

            Yukon but the main question is not answered rather making some arrogant comments by some warriors... Backlinks from penalted sites can hurt your websites?
            It would depend on the circumstances around the penalty.

            If they where marked by webspam as part of a link scheme (PBN), they would not help and "might" be negative.

            If it was penalized for a spammy link profile (penguin), the page would pass nothing in terms of link juice, and "probably" wouldn't have a negative effect.

            If it was hit with a Panda penalty, page would still have link juice and be able to pass it on positively.

            As I said it all really depends on the action taken by Webspam.

            Manual action, algo action...etc..
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            • Profile picture of the author SocialDemon
              Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

              It would depend on the circumstances around the penalty.

              If they where marked by webspam as part of a link scheme (PBN), they would not help and "might" be negative.

              If it was penalized for a spammy link profile (penguin), the page would pass nothing in terms of link juice, and "probably" wouldn't have a negative effect.

              If it was hit with a Panda penalty, page would still have link juice and be able to pass it on positively.

              As I said it all really depends on the action taken by Webspam.

              Manual action, algo action...etc..
              Ok thanks but do you have any evidence or proof? Or just saying from your own experience?
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              • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
                Originally Posted by SocialDemon View Post

                Ok thanks but do you have any evidence or proof? Or just saying from your own experience?
                As I said it all really depends on the action taken by Webspam. I do SEO not Telepathy. I'm not even sure, what needs to be proved.

                That a found out Blog Network, won't be stripped of it's PR?
                That pages the PBN where pushing won't get a manual spam penalty?
                That Panda has nothing to do with backlinks?
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  • Profile picture of the author netanel23
    If you aren't 100% sure that your first domain doesn't have a penalty than don't even think about a 301.

    If I were you I would sort out the old site first, and then focus on your new one. Too many people are throwing away domains that can be easily salvaged. Fix the issue first.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
      Originally Posted by netanel23 View Post

      If you aren't 100% sure that your first domain doesn't have a penalty than don't even think about a 301.

      If I were you I would sort out the old site first, and then focus on your new one. Too many people are throwing away domains that can be easily salvaged. Fix the issue first.
      Would you mind being quiet. :p
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  • Profile picture of the author paulgl
    Originally Posted by SocialDemon View Post

    Well one of my sites just got hit by Google as it was thrown from #3 to #88. Now I already developed a new site and did some backlinks to that. My new site is now on #22 after working just 1 week. Now I am thinking whether to redirect my old site to new site to pass some link juice or to create a contaxtual backlink from old site to new site. Now question is will this hurt my new site as I am getting backlinks from a punished site?
    I pity the site at #89. They must have suffered a double-secret probation penalty.

    I also pity the poor sap who used to be #22. He's on some forum ranting about
    some penalty.

    Redirects don't pass link juice. There's no link, actually. Putting a link is a
    "better" idea.

    I gotta come up with a term for this madness. How about a merry-go-round?

    Build a site, get penalized or find some other magical domain, delete the site or
    301, and start over. Wash, rinse, repeat.

    You people live in an entirely different world than I do.

    Paul
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

      You people live in an entirely different world than I do.
      Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

      Just kidding.
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  • Profile picture of the author promo87
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    Well, If you redirect your previous site to your new site in order to get the juice then I am pretty much sure that penalty will pass to your new site. So, I would say that don't redirect it, other than keep on working with the new parameters.
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