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Hey Warriors,

I was wandering if you guys had any suggestion for me on my website
stmsuperdiscounts.net. I dont know if I should start putting money on PPC advertizing or on Using it for building backlinks.


anyways any suggestions or thoughts is good as I'm new to this marketing thing and I'm just learning as I go.


thanks for answering


#ppc #seo
  • Profile picture of the author mike52683
    I would definitely do some research here on the forums on PPC before you dive in. It can be very costly if you don't know what you're doing.

    Here is an article on PPC basics that might help.

    Rookie or Veteran - PPC Basics Every Advertiser Should Know and Use | The Adventures of PPC Hero

    As far as SEO, you can find lots of good free information here on the forums, but I do recomend the SEO lies book by Justin Brooke. The digital version is only $1. Just google 'SEO Lies'.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shane N
    I say BOTH!

    With PPC advertising, you can get laser targeted traffic almost immediately so that you can test your sales page and even do split testing (different sales pages, different background colors, different prices, etc.)

    You can cap your spending at $5 - $10 per day to make sure you don't overspend and you can always pause or stop your ads at anytime as well.

    And you should also build back links to your site, keyword optimize it and do all of the other things that go along with optimizing your site (SEO) because these things are basic "internet marketing 101."

    I don't think anyone should put "all of their eggs in one basket" when it comes to advertising online. Most businesses use multiple advertising platforms or at least test out different ones from time to time.

    Would you limit your advertising to just Craigslist alone? I don't think so... So then why would you limit yourself to "JUST SEO" or "JUST PPC?" Take advantage of ALL the internet advertising opportunities out there -- It will only help your business make MORE MONEY in the end.

    My 2 cents!

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    Shane
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  • If I had to go one route, I'd go PPC: it's faster, it's more flexible, and you're entirely in charge of the whole thing. With SEO you're always dependent on Quality Scores, Google algorithm updates, and a whole other bunch of stuff that are not under your control.
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  • Profile picture of the author luvtrees
    With PPC, you've got to test and test and test otherwise you'll waste your money. SEO traffic is free, but is harder to get. Whichever one you go for, research it like crazy before jumping in.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lucid
    I agree with Mike and Shane.

    Mike's link is a good place to start, if you are going to do it yourself. Learn before jumping in or hire someone like me to do it for you, or at least get started on the right foot.

    Shane's right, you should do both. I agree with all he says. PPC will get you instant targeted traffic, good SEO, which your site needs, can get more. You can also learn from PPC for your SEO efforts, for example, which keywords are used most and which convert best. PPC also allows you to test and this can increase your SEO clicks.

    So, do both. Learn the strengths and weaknesses of each. Apply the strenths of one to the other.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt Henninger
      A good long term strategy would be to utilize both. No need to exclusively use one or the other.

      In fact, a good SEO strategy uses PPC upfront in order to find the "buying keywords" that you should then SEO optimize for.

      Hope that helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author billythekid
    PPC good for short term fix, providing CPC is not too high for your chosen keywords
    SEO for very competitive words as a gradual process and definitely for the longer term.
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  • Profile picture of the author Smokey_Joe
    There can be no umbrella solution here since everything depends on the goals you have. PPC involves short-term planning, whereas SEO is a long-term project. A viable solution could be a combination of both, although you need to be careful in spreading your effort effectively.
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  • Profile picture of the author tommen
    The problem with PPC is that the second you stop paying, the traffic stops.A long term strategy is to write excellent content on your blog and you will rank well in the engines over time.Keyword research and optimization is the key.
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  • Profile picture of the author mlongley
    Whenever I am working on a site, I first use PPC to test keywords. If the campaign is very profitable I will leave it on. If it breaks even or loses money I will prob turn it off. Then I go through the campaign pull out all of the keywords that I found converted and work on those for SEO. There is no sense in going into an SEO campaign without having proven the keywords will convert. SEO traffic is always thought of as free traffic, but it costs a lot for software, employees, etc..to build backlinks. if you are going to really do it effectively.
    So:
    1:Keyword research
    2:Set up campaigns
    3:Tweak and Turn off unpeforming campaings
    4:Set up seo based on PPC results

    If you dont have much money to spend on PPC and you really dont know what you are doing then, that would be an exception to this strategy. In that case I would recommend spending more time on SEO using free link building methods.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lucid
    mlongley is absolutely right.

    > The problem with PPC is that the second you stop paying, the traffic stops

    Is it not a problem with SEO as well? The second you fall off in rankings, the traffic stops. PPC would fill the gaps until you can get better organic rankings.
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    thanks everyone
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  • Profile picture of the author Dima Kritchevski
    Both is the definitely the way to go...

    I highly recommend trying out basic videos as well...

    The traffic you can get from videos is absolutely amazing in some information dense niches like the sub niches for health problems, making money, etc...
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    • Profile picture of the author TelegramSam
      Originally Posted by Lucid View Post

      I agree with Mike and Shane.

      Mike's link is a good place to start, if you are going to do it yourself. Learn before jumping in or hire someone like me to do it for you, or at least get started on the right foot.

      Shane's right, you should do both. I agree with all he says. PPC will get you instant targeted traffic, good SEO, which your site needs, can get more. You can also learn from PPC for your SEO efforts, for example, which keywords are used most and which convert best. PPC also allows you to test and this can increase your SEO clicks.

      So, do both. Learn the strengths and weaknesses of each. Apply the strengths of one to the other.
      Quite right.

      Originally Posted by billythekid View Post

      PPC good for short term fix, providing CPC is not too high for your chosen keywords
      SEO for very competitive words as a gradual process and definitely for the longer term.
      There is no reason why you can't use PPC longterm if it is profitable.


      Originally Posted by tommen View Post

      The problem with PPC is that the second you stop paying, the traffic stops.A long term strategy is to write excellent content on your blog and you will rank well in the engines over time.Keyword research and optimization is the key.
      Why stop paying if it works. That's the goal, for fast growth: Finding profitable keywords to target and ramping it up.

      Originally Posted by mlongley View Post

      Whenever I am working on a site, I first use PPC to test keywords. If the campaign is very profitable I will leave it on. If it breaks even or loses money I will prob turn it off. Then I go through the campaign pull out all of the keywords that I found converted and work on those for SEO. There is no sense in going into an SEO campaign without having proven the keywords will convert. SEO traffic is always thought of as free traffic, but it costs a lot for software, employees, etc..to build backlinks. if you are going to really do it effectively.
      So:
      1:Keyword research
      2:Set up campaigns
      3:Tweak and Turn off unpeforming campaings
      4:Set up seo based on PPC results

      If you dont have much money to spend on PPC and you really dont know what you are doing then, that would be an exception to this strategy. In that case I would recommend spending more time on SEO using free link building methods.

      A very good summary. Well said.
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      • Profile picture of the author The Expert
        I'm at a place in my life where I would NEVER touch PPC again unless I've seen the traffic convert when it shows up for free.

        I've got a site right now that just is NOT converting even though it gets 400+ uniques a day. I have no idea why. Trying to figure it out right now.

        If I had PAID for that traffic I would have been in big trouble. PPC is something that seems like it should be like a super-charger is to a car.

        The super-charger can boost power and performance, but it's not the engine.
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    • Profile picture of the author Apartments
      PPC gived you the data for SEO and saves you months of your life. Time you will never get back so start with PPC and then move on to SEO (keeping up the PPC if profitable).
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      • Profile picture of the author discrat
        I would definitely go with SEO. With SEO you are truly building and OWNING your OWN TRAFFIC overtime.
        Its like building a real estate empire on the Web and in the long run is the most powerful tool to make money on the Internet. PPC is just like sub-leasing a house that you rent not own. It might be some quick bucks but overtime its not the way to go.

        Let me ask those people who think PPC is so great.............Okay so you bid on words to drive traffic to a sales page and then build your list right ?? We all know Building a list is the key.
        Well, why the HELL would you just want to stop at that. Why wouldn't you want to build your list with your OWN TRAFFIC and OWN REAL ESTATE. And eventuallly put things on Auto-Pilot ????
        You can NEVER put things on auto pilot with PPC because you own NOTHING. You have to keep pumping out PPC ads to keep building your List over and over and over again.

        Such a wasteful and inefficient manner to build a long term business !
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  • Profile picture of the author maestro2010
    using PPC means you need to invest money and for SEO you need to invest time only. It only depends upon you which process you want to hire.
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  • Profile picture of the author __internet__
    SEO is good if you are thinking about long term success. PPC is good if you want to make money right now. The problem with PPC is that you have the possibilty to lose money. With organic seo, the clicks are free, so there is a possibility to make a lot more money.
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