26 {{ upvoteCount | shortNum }}
26 {{ upvoteCount | shortNum }}

FV Simpler SEO, vs Theme SEO ? and relevancy of SEO Pressor?

by melaniemilleticsdotcom
22 replies
  • SEO
    • |
I have a plugin called 'FV Simpler SEO' that I was using right up until I had my blog updated. The new Genesis theme has built in a section called 'Theme SEO Settings'.
I did not want to delete the plugin, because I am afraid that would remove the titles and tags that were created with it. Now when I publish a post, even if I use the 'Theme SEO Settings' section to put in a custom tile,meta descriptions and tags, I get a WARNING that says my description is empty, because the 'FV Simpler SEO' was left blank.
I also think that a few of the 'double description' items found in a site report may be due to both sections being filled in.

Do you recommend that I keep and use the FV Simpler SEO, or should I just use the Theme SEO built in for Genesis?
If I use the Theme SEO, should I disable the plugin or will that cause the pages that were set up with FV to lose the meta data?

Finally, I have SEO Pressor, but have not been using it because 'someone' told me that it was ineffective - but a 'SEO REPORT' I ran shows that I should be using italics/underlines/bold, etc. Do you recommend I use it for posts? And can I go back to posts that I did not use it on and 'fix' them?

THANK YOU!
#pressor #relevancy #seo #simpler #theme
  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    Originally Posted by melaniemilleticsdotcom View Post

    I have a plugin called 'FV Simpler SEO' that I was using right up until I had my blog updated. The new Genesis theme has built in a section called 'Theme SEO Settings'.
    I did not want to delete the plugin, because I am afraid that would remove the titles and tags that were created with it. Now when I publish a post, even if I use the 'Theme SEO Settings' section to put in a custom tile,meta descriptions and tags, I get a WARNING that says my description is empty, because the 'FV Simpler SEO' was left blank.
    That might just be an automatic popup the plugin gives you when you leave their field blank.


    Originally Posted by melaniemilleticsdotcom View Post

    Do you recommend that I keep and use the FV Simpler SEO, or should I just use the Theme SEO built in for Genesis?

    If I use the Theme SEO, should I disable the plugin or will that cause the pages that were set up with FV to lose the meta data?
    Genesis' settings really provide everything you need. That being said, I'm not really sure what disabling the plugin would or wouldn't do. They are all coded a little differently.

    SEO-wise, meta descriptions are not all that important. Losing them won't be the end of the world. But if you have a ton of pages, it might be a hassle to go back and replace the work you have already done.

    Originally Posted by melaniemilleticsdotcom View Post

    Finally, I have SEO Pressor, but have not been using it because 'someone' told me that it was ineffective - but a 'SEO REPORT' I ran shows that I should be using italics/underlines/bold, etc. Do you recommend I use it for posts? And can I go back to posts that I did not use it on and 'fix' them?

    THANK YOU!
    SEO Pressor is an over-hyped POS. I wouldn't bother with it.

    As for your question about 'double description' items found in a site report, I would look at the page source code of the pages in question and see if the plugin combined with Genesis are creating duplicate meta data. The answer will be right there.

    If you have already created a lot of content on the site and have been using that SEO plugin for awhile, probably the easiest thing to do is just to continue to use it and ignore the options Genesis provides.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9190384].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post


      SEO Pressor is an over-hyped POS. I wouldn't bother with it.

      .
      Agreed. WSO marketing over any real substance whatsoever
      Signature

      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9190424].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
      I agree with two Mikes on SEO Pressor. Genesis shows you the stuff you're dealing with, and it doesn't get much more complex than that no matter how hard you try. The real optimizations these plugins deal with are fairly simple.

      On the other hand I don't see any reason why SEO Pressor couldn't be as good as some of the free plugins. Perhaps some features are more advanced. I don't see the benefit, but maybe someone else does.
      Signature
      Links in signature will not help your SEO. Not on this site, and not on any other forum.
      Who told me this? An ex Google web spam engineer.

      What's your excuse?
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9191512].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author melaniemilleticsdotcom
    Alright - so the 'on page SEO' stuff that SEO Pressor has you do wont help?
    I'll just disable it then, so I don't have to stare at it anymore...

    And from what you are saying, I should use the Genesis Theme SEO , and leave the other blank, but not disable it... just keep going along as I have.

    I'm still trying to recover, a year later, from some major penalty that I was never able to figure out!
    I've done some research and have a few less competitive long tail keyword phrases I'm going for now. Head down, and to work I go!
    Signature
    What 16 Years of Working as an Online Marketer Has Taught Me - Secrets of a Multiple Six Figure Earner.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9190937].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Tan
    Alright - so the 'on page SEO' stuff that SEO Pressor has you do wont help?
    I'll just disable it then, so I don't have to stare at it anymore...
    SEOPressor can help you a lot on on-page SEO that you most likely are going to miss. Other than that, it has Social SEO to keep your social tags intact, over-optimization to help you check against red flags, rich snippets and more.

    SEOPressor is at version 5 already, if you are not using the latest version, give it a try. Top bloggers like BasicBlogTips, ShoutMeLoud, Comluv are using SEOPressor.

    SEOPressor is one of the best SEO plugins available today, serving 130K sites now, analysed more than 22 million pages over the past 4 years, gone from Version 1 to now Version 5, and the analysis engine is supporting few multi-national companies on their content marketing needs.

    It's built to help content marketers optimize for the best ranking possible.

    You kinda want to follow SEOPressor's suggestions to keep your content optimized. You won't miss out on factors you can optimize. SEO is tough, we want to make sure we have every chance optimized.

    Daniel
    Signature
    Press Release Distribution to
    AssociatedPress, Houston Chronicles, Washington Posts, LexisNexis, Factiva, Journalists, Newpapers, TV & Radion stations, better than PRWeb.

    How I Outrank SEOMoz using Knowledge-Graph SEO. The SEO Document That Will Create History!
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9191233].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author melaniemilleticsdotcom
    Since its paid for... I may as well use it! SEO Pressor, that is

    So the question is, if I have posts that were NOT optimized before and I go in and edit the on page stuff (without changing titles) will that hurt or help, or do nothing? Do they have to be optimized before they are initially crawled/indexed?
    Signature
    What 16 Years of Working as an Online Marketer Has Taught Me - Secrets of a Multiple Six Figure Earner.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9192141].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by melaniemilleticsdotcom View Post

      Since its paid for... I may as well use it! SEO Pressor, that is
      Never make a purchase determine your SEO strategies and what you spend time on. For example

      but a 'SEO REPORT' I ran shows that I should be using italics/underlines/bold, etc.
      Thats total garbage. There has never been good evidence that what essentially is styling text matters

      Keywords In Bold Or Italic - Better For Google SEO? | Hobo
      Does putting keywords in bold or italics improve SEO? | Conversion Insights | Marketing for Small Law Firms

      Its 2014 with Panda updates every year. Why in the world would google say "oh they underlined this so we will rank it higher"?

      Didn't even make sense years ago and makes even less now. Unfortunately some features are just put into some SEO products to make people think its accomplishing something when it really isn't.
      Signature

      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9192177].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author Daniel Tan
        Originally Posted by melaniemilleticsdotcom View Post

        Since its paid for... I may as well use it! SEO Pressor, that is

        So the question is, if I have posts that were NOT optimized before and I go in and edit the on page stuff (without changing titles) will that hurt or help, or do nothing? Do they have to be optimized before they are initially crawled/indexed?
        You should optimize your posts/pages even if they are already indexed. On-page optimization is very important, it's the #1 step and leading work in any SEO project. Matt states this very clearly couple of times. Rand too.

        Send your question to me in PM or reach our desk. We work with every customer to get them the best of SEOPressor.

        Daniel

        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        Once a product promotes things like keyword density, consider it junk.
        You still need to watch out not over-optimizing with keyword density, that's the reason why it's there. It's not there to tell you to focus on KW density, but to keep an eye on it.

        Daniel
        Signature
        Press Release Distribution to
        AssociatedPress, Houston Chronicles, Washington Posts, LexisNexis, Factiva, Journalists, Newpapers, TV & Radion stations, better than PRWeb.

        How I Outrank SEOMoz using Knowledge-Graph SEO. The SEO Document That Will Create History!
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9192586].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by Daniel Tan View Post

          You still need to watch out not over-optimizing with keyword density, that's the reason why it's there. It's not there to tell you to focus on KW density, but to keep an eye on it.

          Daniel
          Write a good article on a subject and don't worry about keyword count. The end.
          Signature

          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9192700].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author yukon
          Banned
          Originally Posted by Daniel Tan View Post

          You still need to watch out not over-optimizing with keyword density, that's the reason why it's there. It's not there to tell you to focus on KW density, but to keep an eye on it.

          Daniel
          No need to convince me, save it for the folks that bought the sales pitch.
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9193350].message }}
          • Profile picture of the author Daniel Tan
            Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

            Daniel,

            Google has a lot of patents. Doesn't mean they are using them all. Let's say this one is true though. Google has absolutely no way of knowing if a site is getting traffic from any of those sources. So your point is pretty moot.

            Ok. Let's pretend that Google pays attention to some artificial keyword density number. How do you know what they count in their keyword count? Do title tags count? What about meta keywords? Is the meta description included? Is there extra weight given to H1 tags? Do alt tags in images count?

            You have no idea.

            Ignore any tool that tells you to focus on keyword density. Just do not go out of your way to stuff keywords in the content and you will be fine.

            I've found plenty of pages ranking for highly competitive keywords that SEOPressor would say have well over 10% keyword density. The content is excellent though.
            You are right, and wrong on some points. Let me share my perspective.

            We don't know if Google is using any of the patents, I agree, but we can speculate and do our best when it comes to SEO. SEO is frankly, a lot of speculation, some are accurate, some way off. Google's patent is still a darn great source for information.

            Google does have ways to sample traffic going to a site. hint: read the patent.

            Do not keyword stuff, that's bad. Both Mikes are right. Whether it's a 10% or a 1% to 2%, they do not matter. There is never a rule a keyword density should be within to be good at SEO. SEOPressor displays your keyword density for convenience sake, many users find it informative.

            I like all these input and opinion and how SEOPressor is received. While it can't fit into everyone's need, we will do our best to keep it tip-top and keep it maintained, updated, grown and improved, all the time. It's already 4 years in the making Tough sweat and stamina!

            Thanks for the support!

            Daniel
            Signature
            Press Release Distribution to
            AssociatedPress, Houston Chronicles, Washington Posts, LexisNexis, Factiva, Journalists, Newpapers, TV & Radion stations, better than PRWeb.

            How I Outrank SEOMoz using Knowledge-Graph SEO. The SEO Document That Will Create History!
            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9194869].message }}
            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by Daniel Tan View Post

              SEO is frankly, a lot of speculation, some are accurate, some way off.

              This is probably why a lot of SEO's disagree with you and your tool. SEO is not about speculation. That makes for WSOs and product launches. SEO is about testing and results. People depend on SEO for their business and livelihood. Speculations is why so many people fail online.

              Google's patent is still a darn great source for information.
              Patents by themselves are LOUSY sources for information. Patents are put in place for products that don't even work and are never put into production. Patents are for legal protection of ideas not statements of what will be put into production. Furthermore some SEOs are looking at patents from years ago when the algo is updated hundreds of times a year. Television makers have patents in their books for tube based tvs but none of them make them anymore. Patents CAN be interesting but only when they are backed by what SEO is all about

              Testing - not speculation.
              Signature

              {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9197560].message }}
              • Profile picture of the author Daniel Tan
                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                This is probably why a lot of SEO's disagree with you and your tool. SEO is not about speculation. That makes for WSOs and product launches. SEO is about testing and results. People depend on SEO for their business and livelihood. Speculations is why so many people fail online.

                Patents by themselves are LOUSY sources for information. Patents are put in place for products that don't even work and are never put into production. Patents are for legal protection of ideas not statements of what will be put into production. Furthermore some SEOs are looking at patents from years ago when the algo is updated hundreds of times a year. Television makers have patents in their books for tube based tvs but none of them make them anymore. Patents CAN be interesting but only when they are backed by what SEO is all about

                Testing - not speculation.
                Again, you are right, and wrong.

                You are right on testing. But wrong on Google Patent not being a good source of information.

                We use information from Google Patent, study them, test them and then have the features added to SEOPressor.

                SEOPressor has since grown from Version 1 to Version 5.10, with updates coming very frequently. On top of feature releases, we also make sure the UI and UX are intuitive and convey convenience towards SEO. If there's any part you feel lacking, we are happy to take it up and improve. We have a strong team of 11 people working on SEOPressor's technology.


                Daniel
                Signature
                Press Release Distribution to
                AssociatedPress, Houston Chronicles, Washington Posts, LexisNexis, Factiva, Journalists, Newpapers, TV & Radion stations, better than PRWeb.

                How I Outrank SEOMoz using Knowledge-Graph SEO. The SEO Document That Will Create History!
                {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9208403].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author yukon
    Banned
    Once a product promotes things like keyword density, consider it junk.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9192170].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author melaniemilleticsdotcom
    The fact is -
    I started the blog in 2009 and wrote for my audience for years. I was doing SEO somewhat intuitively. I wasn't using any special backlinking strategies or anything. I wrote for the people I wanted to find me, and I linked/marketed on social media. 80%+ of my traffic & leads came from organic search. It was happily on page one and generated hundreds of leads per day and thousands in sales for 'free' from SEO.
    Last year my world was turned upside down when my blog essentially dropped out of existence - since then I have been working diligently to apply anything and everything that might have Google fall in love with me again.
    I still write for my audience -
    I still include phrases I'd search for to find what I have -
    But I dont want to waste a second in 'styling text' if it doesn't help.

    I'm looking for real solutions that wont get me penalized that will get me back on page 1 where I belong.
    I'm listening.
    Thank you.
    Signature
    What 16 Years of Working as an Online Marketer Has Taught Me - Secrets of a Multiple Six Figure Earner.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9192835].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Tan
      Originally Posted by melaniemilleticsdotcom View Post

      The fact is -
      I started the blog in 2009 and wrote for my audience for years. I was doing SEO somewhat intuitively. I wasn't using any special backlinking strategies or anything. I wrote for the people I wanted to find me, and I linked/marketed on social media. 80%+ of my traffic & leads came from organic search. It was happily on page one and generated hundreds of leads per day and thousands in sales for 'free' from SEO.
      Last year my world was turned upside down when my blog essentially dropped out of existence - since then I have been working diligently to apply anything and everything that might have Google fall in love with me again.
      I still write for my audience -
      I still include phrases I'd search for to find what I have -
      But I dont want to waste a second in 'styling text' if it doesn't help.

      I'm looking for real solutions that wont get me penalized that will get me back on page 1 where I belong.
      I'm listening.
      Thank you.
      I know, you have been hit by lots of algo changes. Many had that. We had that too on some businesses but quickly turned that over our favor. Here's something I can share:

      1) Focus on content quality. Produce content that is unique to your site to serve as pillars and link them well. You need to have some pillars on your site that will produce some ranking strength.

      2) Focus on getting traffic aside from organic. Google has a patent that says they are ranking sites based on traffic that site receives. Logically that's true. When a site has good traffic, it's deemed more important. So it's quite a catch 22. But with Social Media, forums, blogs etc nowadays, you can get enough traffic without really relying on Google. Organic is still sexy though.

      3) On-page SEO is important. We have multiple tests, ranking new pages etc, they all have to be preceded by good on-page optimization. So pay attention to your keyword planning and mapping, the content to answer search intent and keep things on the high-value side.

      Hope this helps,

      Daniel
      Signature
      Press Release Distribution to
      AssociatedPress, Houston Chronicles, Washington Posts, LexisNexis, Factiva, Journalists, Newpapers, TV & Radion stations, better than PRWeb.

      How I Outrank SEOMoz using Knowledge-Graph SEO. The SEO Document That Will Create History!
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9192876].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        Originally Posted by Daniel Tan View Post

        2) Focus on getting traffic aside from organic. Google has a patent that says they are ranking sites based on traffic that site receives. Logically that's true. When a site has good traffic, it's deemed more important. So it's quite a catch 22. But with Social Media, forums, blogs etc nowadays, you can get enough traffic without really relying on Google. Organic is still sexy though.
        Daniel,

        Google has a lot of patents. Doesn't mean they are using them all. Let's say this one is true though. Google has absolutely no way of knowing if a site is getting traffic from any of those sources. So your point is pretty moot.


        Originally Posted by Daniel Tan View Post

        You still need to watch out not over-optimizing with keyword density, that's the reason why it's there. It's not there to tell you to focus on KW density, but to keep an eye on it.
        Ok. Let's pretend that Google pays attention to some artificial keyword density number. How do you know what they count in their keyword count? Do title tags count? What about meta keywords? Is the meta description included? Is there extra weight given to H1 tags? Do alt tags in images count?

        You have no idea.

        Ignore any tool that tells you to focus on keyword density. Just do not go out of your way to stuff keywords in the content and you will be fine.

        I've found plenty of pages ranking for highly competitive keywords that SEOPressor would say have well over 10% keyword density. The content is excellent though.
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9193106].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by melaniemilleticsdotcom View Post


      I'm looking for real solutions that wont get me penalized that will get me back on page 1 where I belong.
      I'm listening.
      Thank you.
      If you are referring to your main site then the answer may be a s simple as your links - Almost all your anchor text links are for your name so you are not getting recommended for other terms. We would have to know what terms you are targeting to know whether your on page is solid but there does appear to be a link issue regardless as well

      As for not wasting your time - skip the styling of text. There is no evidence anywhere that that is important. You should certainly look to get traffic wherever you can but the idea that traffic will automatically improve your search rankings is also false.

      Google has no way of knowing what traffic your site is getting unless you have Google analytics installed. Even then Google, as we all are, is a aware that traffic can be fake or bought .

      Anyway from my quick look it would seem you need some link building as well regardless if your on page is good or not.

      P.S. Google has filed many patents. its a way of protecting their turf should they later decide to use a system but merely filing a patent does not mean that they are using any technology at the time.
      Signature

      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9193152].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        lol...a few minutes too late. Mike already covered some of my points while I was writing my last post.
        Signature

        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9193154].message }}

Trending Topics