Hey, where did everyone go?

by dburk
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This used to be the forum to discuss SEM topics including SEO & PPC (sponsored search engine listings), and recently changed the name and description to just SEO. Where did everyone go to discuss Search Engine Marketing topics like AdWords/Bing advertising, and other display network advertising for traditional business?

I looked around the Warrior forums and found no other place that this category of topics are being discussed, except for an odd thread here and there, these conversations seemed to have moved elsewhere. I can see why those discussions have nearly dried up in this forum, as the forum description now excludes those topics.

Where does one go now to discuss these topics? Have people moved on to a different forum other than the Warrior forum? I don't get what is going on here. I realize that things are changing because Freelancer took over, does that mean these topics no longer welcomed on the Warrior forum? And if they are, where did they go?
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    There is going to be a PPC subforum created sometime soon.

    SEO always should have had its own subforum in my opinion.

    AdSense discussions now go in the main forum, where they always should have been too.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      AdSense discussions now go in the main forum, where they always should have been too.
      Didn't know that. Thought the discussions would get better but seems like its gotten worse and I see more names I have never seen before than more established posters.
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      • Profile picture of the author sweezeter
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Didn't know that. Thought the discussions would get better but seems like its gotten worse and I see more names I have never seen before than more established posters.
        I think this is a good thing personally because that means there's fresh blood coming here to the forums rather than the same people with the same ideas over and over again.

        I think the recent design changes and overall changes on the forum are great, and especially the AMA's
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by sweezeter View Post


          I think the recent design changes and overall changes on the forum are great, and especially the AMA's
          Actually I do do too but I can't agree about the influx into the SEO forum (and I don't think it has anything to do with ownership) . I don't see new ideas coming in. I see old ones that no longer work well. Seems like we lost quite a bit of people who knew what they were talking about or they post a whole lot less.
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    • Profile picture of the author dburk
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      There is going to be a PPC subforum created sometime soon.

      SEO always should have had its own subforum in my opinion.

      AdSense discussions now go in the main forum, where they always should have been too.
      Hi Mike,

      I agree that SEO should have a subforum of it's own and that AdSense never should have been part of the SEM forum. There no longer seems to be a forum for SEM topics save the subtopic of SEO.

      I'm still looking forward to that new subforum to discuss SEM topics. It's been a couple weeks now and no sign of a SEM forum, (this forum used to be "the" SEM forum, but now is labeled for "just" SEO topics). Is it still in the works? If they wait much longer to set it up it will be like starting it from scratch as I'm sure most the regulars have moved on to other forums by now.

      If they are not going to do it, that's fine, just let us know and make recommendations for a new non-WF forum to discuss Search Engine Marketing Topics please.
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        Originally Posted by dburk View Post

        Hi Mike,

        I agree that SEO should have a subforum of it's own and that AdSense never should have been part of the SEM forum. There no longer seems to be a forum for SEM topics save the subtopic of SEO.

        I'm still looking forward to that new subforum to discuss SEM topics. It's been a couple weeks now and no sign of a SEM forum, (this forum used to be "the" SEM forum, but now is labeled for "just" SEO topics). Is it still in the works? If they wait much longer to set it up it will be like starting it from scratch as I'm sure most the regulars have moved on to other forums by now.

        If they are not going to do it, that's fine, just let us know and make recommendations for a new non-WF forum to discuss Search Engine Marketing Topics please.

        As far as I know, it is still being planned. As far as a timetable, no mod is going to be able to tell you that. That's more of a question for the new owners.

        I would say in the meantime, this is probably a good place for it... Ad Networks (CPM/CPL, Display, SEM)
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        • Profile picture of the author paulgl
          Perhaps it is time for new blood. I'm not here as much, as I am spending way too much
          time on my shtuff. That ought to make some people happy!

          It got to where I thought I was just putting out fires, sometimes with gasoline. But
          the same old same old stuff just keeps rearing its ugly head. The fires had
          gotten out of control, and the majority of those will just have to go on with their
          badselves and fail.

          Thing is, the adsense/ppc part used to be filled with its fair share of good, old
          fashioned debate threads, with honest info and opinions. I do miss that. But like
          I said, I learned waaaaaaay too much on this forum to not start making my sites
          better, and making money. More of it. I suspect others are doing the same, or
          perhaps they gave up.

          Thing is, how much "new" in SEO can there be? Google tweaks are really just
          a reiteration of past stuff, tweaked because someone heard a guy tell another
          guy how this might fool them.

          The same old SEO that involved basic hard work, is still required. There seems
          to be a flood of WP wannabes looking to make quick buck. And the things they
          ask about are just inane. Nobody wants to learn. Nobody wants hard work.

          It's like a guy who buys a white coat, a scalpel, reads about humans bones,
          then walks into an OR and wants to teach surgeons. Good thing SEO
          is not life or death.

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        • Profile picture of the author dburk
          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          As far as I know, it is still being planned. As far as a timetable, no mod is going to be able to tell you that. That's more of a question for the new owners.

          I would say in the meantime, this is probably a good place for it... Ad Networks (CPM/CPL, Display, SEM)
          Hi Mike,

          Unfortunately that Forum is where all the non-traditional CPA opt-in affiliate marketing, paid to click, fake traffic exchange, and other no traditional marketing and business concepts have been discussed, and for the most part, they have been banned from SEM programs, or perhaps never tried because they knew their niche is not welcomed at any of the major search engine platforms. Heck, many of them cannot even do SEO, because search engines don't want those business models to be found on their SERPs.

          It seems nearly every time someone starts a thread over there, on an SEM topic, we are deluged by an army of posters telling people not to do SEM, to instead try some weird unheard of program that their 13 year old neighbor just created, or something as crazy as that. The AdWords platform seems to be particularly hated by that group. I am guessing it is because the forum, until recently, has been the place for people who have been banned by Search Engines.

          What are people to do that have traditional businesses and do conventional SEM? Are we to politely ask those folks that built that forum to leave and go somewhere else? To get the hell out, like we have been told to do in this forum? I don't want to go there and fight with them, just because someone decided to rename the forums and didn't have a place for us conventional marketers. It seems they tossed us into a catchall forum for people who aren't welcomed anywhere else on the Warrior Forum.

          We, that have conventional businesses, do not have anything in common with the bulk of the folks in that forum. I don't want to fight with them, or judge them, are even talk to them. I'm not saying they are wrong, just different.

          To use an analogy It like putting a US Navy Seal Veterans discussion group into a forum that is made up of primarily of Code Pink supporters. You know there is going to be a fight, and it ain't going to be pretty.

          Forcing people that do SEM for conventional business to discuss topics in a forum that is made up of people that have been banned or just aren't welcomed by the Search Engines, is just an odd thing to get your head around. Was the idea to start major flame wars, or to just purge conventional business owners that market on the web from the WF? It is beginning to feel like that is the goal on the new owners.

          Another thing to consider is that SEO is actually a subtopic of SEM, Search Engine Marketing includes keyword search based PPC advertising, SEO, and web page promotional activities designed to improve authority which helps to improve ranking in SERPs. In fact, I have found AdWords to be he most important tool in any serious SEO campaign, it's just foolish to wage a major campaign without AdWords data, IMO. I can see the logic of mixing those topics, but pushing SEM into the forum that was created for topics that were not welcomed by people who discuss SEM is just madness, IMHO.

          So again I ask, where have Warriors, who are owners of conventional businesses gone to discuss SEM topics, other than SEO? Apparently it isn't WF (except for threads in random places), so if any knows, please share.
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
            Originally Posted by dburk View Post

            Another thing to consider is that SEO is actually a subtopic of SEM, Search Engine Marketing includes keyword search based PPC advertising, SEO, and web page promotional activities designed to improve authority which helps to improve ranking in SERPs. In fact, I have found AdWords to be he most important tool in any serious SEO campaign, it's just foolish to wage a major campaign without AdWords data, IMO. I can see the logic of mixing those topics, but pushing SEM into the forum that was created for topics that were not welcomed by people who discuss SEM is just madness, IMHO.

            To be honest, I think that really depends on the type of PPC advertising you are doing. For AdWords, and Bing Ads, sure, that applies. But those are not the only type of PPC advertising available. For example, Facebook ads are a type of PPC advertising, but if you ask me they have nothing to do with SEM. That is why, I think PPC should have its own subforum.

            AdSense, on the other hand, I do not believe ever should have been lumped with the SEO section at all. They have little to nothing to do with eachother. AdSense is really no different than any other form of affiliate marketing. I'm glad they made that separation at last.
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            • Profile picture of the author WebStatsO
              Maybe warrior forum is already at it. Lets wait for an update hopefully they will more subforums.
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              • Profile picture of the author dburk
                Hi MikeFriedman,

                I made the mistake of posting in that other forum earlier today, and got chastised for not posting strictly from the perspective of an "affiliate marketer". It was made very clear that PPC topics that are not strictly about affiliate marketing will not be tolerated.

                The participants in that forum seem to not want to corrupt the purity of their affiliate marketing theme with SEM discussions nor any PPC topics that aren't 100% geared to affiliate marketing.

                So again no place for PPC discussion topics for conventional businesses, not Facebook PPC and especially not SEM discussions.
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  • Profile picture of the author NShankar
    Adsense thread has been my favourite, now I have to search to find any new posts related to google adsense. It seems that now adsense topics are now discussed in random threads.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    This is where I've seen the Adsense discussions
    Ad Networks (CPM/CPL, Display, SEM)
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