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that not everyone of these men and women post on forums, or open themselves up for questions. About a course on Adsense, there are so many approaches and they all can work. Find someone that does the type of work that you can see yourself doing day in and day out, and learn from them. - John | |
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My goodness that's great earnings. I gave up using Adsense a long time ago!
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John, Thanks for your response. Yes, for all of our sites, I did use Google keyword tool but used "broad" match and did not really carefully check out the competition. I also did not use MNF to check SOC, etc. We have an army of writers so I just give them the top 30-50 searched for keywords, then have them churn out another 30-50 for Ezine & UAW submissions. Such a waste now that I think about it really. It's much better to choose 10-15 low hanging fruit keywords and concentrate on those. My domains are also usually .info for the exact keyword and I have a few .coms but they usually have an additional word at the beginning or end since the exact keyword .com domain would have already been taken. My plan now: I will continue to develop the domains which earn more than a hundred bucks, drop the .infos (buy the .net or .org equivalent if available) and try out maybe 5 new websites using your style. Then let's see what happens after I gift birth to my firstborn 4 months from now! I do believe new-born babies bring more inspiration and with that, more blessings! By the way, cute baby you have there too JB
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Glad to see John still kicking around with his pearls of wisdom. I think John and I are very much alike when it comes to adsense, so let me just say this: investing in a 7$ domain is like playing the lottery..you never know if you're going to win..BUT..you do the best possible due diligence up front to make sure you can support that domain name with: Content Web Presence and sticking to a plan. MNF is a fantastic tool to cut through the BS to find out exactly which keywords are profitable and which ones are not. Yes, yes, you could use free keyword tools to strike it rich, but the power in using bought tools like MNF is efficiency and ease of use. I don't have to jump through a ton of hoops to get to the info i want. John, one question for you You see a keyword with a SOC that is GREEN and has a number of 285. Searches are in the 35,000 range. Do you: A) Jump for joy B) register that keyword domain name, build out a quick site, and then jump for joy? |
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numbers, then jump for joy :-) Call me a scardy-cat, but I like competition number lower than 10,000 and SOC numbers less than 20. - John | |
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That is good stuff. I should stop browsing and start doing stuff!
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John, First of all congrats on your success so far... I just started back up with increasing my adsense income but have been doing a slightly different approach by targeting "problem niches" instead of product niches. I still research my keywords using Micro Niche Finder and then target the one's that have moderate searches with little competition. So far my one blog has been earning between $12-$30 per day with just one keyword ranked in the #3 position (has fluctuated between 3-7) hence the gap in earnings. Hope to stabilize this with a little more back linking juice. So as you can see that I am spending a little time after creating to get backlinks to the site. Each keyword ranked in this niche should bring in an extra $15-$25 so that is why I'm trying to build on this site. I have been using WP also but see that it is a bandwidth hog for using this technique so I may go back to XSP like you. I also will try your methods and see what happens as this look interesting and you have been very helpful in your answers... so thank you! TedK |
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Ted, What do you mean exactly as wp being a bandwidth hog for using the technique? I've got several blogs doing $40/day running on Wordpress. Just curious as to what you mean David |
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This thread is gold. Does anyone happen to know a good membership (or not) website/forum dedicated to this (and similar) technique? |
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I have identified a niche and am pursuing this model - clean uncluttered site, post title followed by Adsense followed by content. Nice and boring to make the ads more enticing. I would like to ask 2 questions if I may. I too have chosen a product to base my site on. Taking your example of, say, toasters, do your posts tend towards the factual review (2 slots, crumb tray, steel knobs etc.) or the subjective first-person review (I love the style, toasts evenly every time etc.) The former is nice and straight forward, but is repetitive and will be similar for most products on the site - it is also standard info that all sites will have so is harder to get 'original content'. The latter is difficult without having used the actual product, and most people don't want one person's opinion they want several, so do you create multiple personal reviews from fictional people? I hope you see what I'm getting at. The second question, is do you use product photos to accompany your posts? Many thanks for your insights in this thread. |
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the top or anything. 2) About images, I actually have 2 versions of my template that I like to use. One with a header and one without. The no-header approach has a row of images that run across the top of the Adsense ads on each page, with the title of the page above that. - John | |
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the reader looks at my content. Yes I am providing an informative service, but my goal is to connect them with the product manufacturers they are looking for. - John | |
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the rules of Adsense. I've been up and down this game for several years, from black-hat over to white-hat, living, eating and breathing the game. Second, there is plenty of distinction between any images I have on my sites and the Adsense Ads, enough that would pass any Google inspection. - John | |
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"I wanted to also mention that, personally, I don't really care if the reader looks at my content. Yes I am providing an informative service, but my goal is to connect them with the product manufacturers they are looking for." Soak that in folks..soak it in. I personally call it the redirection method. Your content's goal is to get the visitor to the site. The template format then takes care of the rest for you. |
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Look at your bandwidth usage for the month... usually it is much higher with a WP blog then with a static site. When someone hits your page on a WP blog it takes a lot more bandwidth to display the page then just a single page on a static site. So with my site that has gotten around 3800 visitors this month the bandwidth has been approx 800 megs for a pretty bare bones blog with no real images. The same site made with XSP may only use a fraction of this bandwidth. I only decided to use a WP blog for this site was because I started posting a lot of little sentences about the type of "problem/solution type niche" I was targeting. So it was easier to post these little snippets using a blog versus a static site. But with these product based sites that may not need all of this then it should be a lot easier using any static html site builder. TedK | |
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Ah, gotcha, i see what you're saying now Ted. Maybe it's a robot issue if the bandwidth is spiking that high? I was a dreamweaver user for years and then moved onto the joomla platform, then to snews, then to wordpress as I found that the sheer number of plugins played so well into generating traffic and/or making my site more seo oriented. I never looked into xsp, but never made a move since i was having great success with the other platforms. David
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OK, here's a quick take away that has created some immediate income. I added product type specific pages to an existing site - not enough data to comment on CTR, but I've been getting MUCH more money per click. To make this concrete, it's a fishing site, and the pages I've added have been on "fishing reels" "fishing rods" and similar within my very specific fishing niche - going to add a lot more soon! Also starting a review type site with my 5,6 and 9 year olds on a consumer product they love which has lots of addons - thanks Xfactor |
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I've been a Web programmer since the early 90's and I'm just not understanding this. You'll need to explain further exactly what WP is sending between my server and the end user browser that is eating up so much more bandwidth than a static HTML page does. | |
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section or the main section. Would love to keep this thread going for more basic Adsense tips & questions. Much thanks. - John | |
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I try to refrain from talking about higher Adsense clicks because it tends to sway people into only looking for high clicks, thus may cause lack of action. But the truth is that Advertisers tend bid MUCH higher on super-duper-tiny niche product markets. - John | |
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Ok so this thread motivated me to get started in the SEO world. Well done. Going for product reviews and Adsense. Been doing some keyword research and you're right, there are loads of keywords that get a good number of searches with almost no competition in Google. I'm using MNF and basically go for keywords that have a SOC score lower than 10 and keyword.com is available (at least for now). Would you say that targeting keywords that get 800-1300 searches per month is a waste of time? Should I aim a little higher? If you ever decide to get that forum going, let me know. |
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Dear John....I have very much enjoyed your thread.....I have just now started the Adsense game. I have about 4 sites that I currently work on....and my very first attempt was for a semi-long winded keywords that I now rank 3rd for. I get alot of traffic but cannot seem to cash in just yet. I am still learning. But thanks for your insight!
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Too good. You are such an inspiration. I am just new into SEO stuff. So currently I am targeting $5/day. I'll do my best to reach there in a month time.
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Just to let you guys know, i took an idea that John threw out there a couple of pages back, implemented Friday (brand new site built from the ground up, 10 pages) and now it's ranked #5 on googles front page for that keyword that I targeted. Oh, and adsense earnings? .12 today Not bad for a quickie site that took 20 minutes to build out. Just go out there and DO because there is no TRY |
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and nothing comes of it. Now my personal feelings on the matter is this: 1) Those keywords may only take a few pages of content and 3-4 backlinks to rank them, and to keep them ranked. So for just a few hours worth of work you could have a site making $30+ per month without having to touch it for a while. 2) Another idea you can try is to try to find about 5-6 other keywords within that niche and work them all on 1 site. So while 800 searches may not be much, 5 similar keywords totaling 4,000 searches sounds a lot better. - John | |
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1) That your template looks commercial-like, with adsense ads above the fold, and very little distraction of links elsewhere. There is no one way to do this, experiment with different layouts. 2) Make sure that your keywords are serving up relevant ads, and that they are "buyer" ads. This of course needs to be done before starting the niche, by checking over at spyfu.com - John | |
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Now with just a handful of backlinks your site should be ranking for the main keyword in no time. Great job. - John | |
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I applaud your new found wealth and long may it continue. The only twist I would add to Adsense is have you considered maybe selling off ad spots on your webpages. Lets say for example that your are using Google Adwords and your monthly spend is $300 (using a $5 daily budget). And lets assume that your getting 15,000 visitors a month. What you could do, is take your monthly $300, multiply this by 3, and then double it to give you $1,800. What you then do is offer to sell 10 ad sopts on your page for $180 each. There are sites that will do all of this for you for free. All that they charge is their fee which they take from advertisers wanting to advertise on your site. Your unique selling point is this, you will be offering 15,000 visitors a month at a discount of $180, rather than $300 a month. This way you not only cover your ad costs, but make money which you can then re-plow into your business. Just a thought! |
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Hi John Thanks again for this thread and answering the questions. I have a couple more questions if you don't mind... 1)Is your aim for articles mainly to get the backlink google juice so your site gets it's own traffic, or do you try and optimise the article so it sends traffic to you. It probably sounds a silly question, but in the past, I've had an article I wrote with my keyword phrase in the title, compete with my own site...and winning of course. The problem was it had a lower click rate from my article bio that going to my site directly. So, is it better not to optimise the article, but just make sure you have the bio anchor text for the phrase you want your site to rank for (excuse my English...despite being English!!) 2) I guess you use Amazon because they have a massive list of the kind of items you are promoting. The problem as you know is the commision isn't great (4%???) and the cookie is rubbish, 24 hours I think? Do you ever use other affiliate programs, like walmart, bestbuys and those sort of places that have longer cookies, or are you mainly going for the adsense click. 3) p.s question, have you ever bumped into David Lee Roth as you live in california, just wondered ;-) Thanks, Phil |
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I've only read the initial post of this thread - so I don't know where the conversation has gone. However, I think its funny that you said once you got away from the forums then your success started to come - because that's exactly what happened with me. And now - Every time I visit the forums, I'm amazed at how much misinformation and crap is said that could really throw a new person off (not that every post is like that, some are very useful). Now that I consider myself experienced - its funny to see that a lot of my largest successes are directly opposite of what people say to do on here, and to this day I still see people saying you "cant" do this or you "wont" make money doing that yet I am doing just fine. And people gawk and aww at a $300/daily earnings, when in fact its not hard at all - just get off the darn forums, find out what works for YOU and put in the work. Rinse Repeat. |
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this money-maker alone. So yes, I will try something like this in the future. And... It could also be an amazingly profitable business venture on it's own. Really, really good stuff! - John | |
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1) NEVER optimize your article marketing articles with your own keyword. Just have it in the anchor text and you will not have to worry about that article competition and beating your own site. And yes, I now write articles for article marketing for link-juice only. I do no other backlinking stuff (don't enjoy any other approach). 2) I really do not care about getting affiliate sales on my sites, so no, I do not spend much time searching for the best affiliate programs. Many of my sites do not even have affiliate links on them yet. Like I mentioned before, I have my goals with Adsense and could go on forever trying to implement the "best" strategy, or the "best" way to make money, or the "best" this or that... Know what I mean? That alone would cause me to lose focus. - John | |
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stuff that everyone one the forums are telling people they have to do to earn money, get traffic, etc. Thanks for the post. - John | |
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John That's cool, thanks again for your help!!!! That all makes sense. Cheers, Phil |
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Besides using Amazon, you can also use ebay to find the hottest items as well. Take some time today to do the research and pick and item to build a site around |
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Hi John, I have a financial blog which I talk about everything about money. I found that the money market is quite crowded and hard to get the ranking for some hot keywords. As least I don't think I can rank easily like what you are sharing here. I thought I want to give up this blog but I can't do it as it just like a baby for me. I have been blogging for 4 years now. So can you give some advices for me so that I can implement your adsense strategy on my blog? Thank you for your time! |
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Think about financial products that get searched for and have lowish competition and write reviews on them. Stay away from broad keywords like credit cards, loans etc..
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is a tiny niche grills? whereas a larger niche would be home appliances?
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Xfactor, Thanks a lot for your tips.. They will help many on here. I'd like to congratulate you on your success.. $300 p/day is good I wish I'll hit that mark this year |
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The topic of grills is not a tiny niche The keyword BBQ GRILLS would be the overall niche, and say...Jenn Air Grills would be the microniche. Sure you can scale up to home appliances as the overall hierarchical family grouping, but for focus patterns, try to stay tight. You've got better chances on someone typing in "best price jenn air grills" as opposed to "home appliances"
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Look around your flat or house... There are niche ideas everywhere. Every single item in your room is worth checking for keywords to target. I started a couple days ago and so far have launched 6 websites (my target is 2 sites/day). My plan is to keep building websites until I have around 40 to 60 of them and then take a break, go through every website checking the rankings and doing any SEO work needed to grab positions 1-3 in Google. Also, for keywords that rank well and bring in a good amount of $, I'm going to make a second website (almost identical), so I can grab 2 spots on page one... Using a different name to register domains, hosting and using a separate Adsense account (business partners). When buying .com's I also register identical .net's and .org's to make it harder for others to compete with me. I'm hoping to see some results really soon. | |
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Thanks for the replies. So lets say that Buy Jenn Air Grills received 1000 hits a month with very easy to beat competition it would be worth getting that domain and ranking building links back to it? Or perhaps missing the products name for copyright issues... Sorry guys im pretty new! Thanks! |
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All great info. Thanks I am just starting out so 2 quick questions. Do you use other keywords for subdomains and/or pages? and does that help rank better? Also, have you seen better adsense results with image or text ads? |
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1) Buy domain name 2) Throw up a wordpress site (or joomla, or static, etc) 3) Build 10 pages around that keyword name 4) Get a quick submission out to: a) rss director sites b) msn,google,yahoo c) at least 5 article directories with one 500 word article pointing back to your site d) social bookmark to at least 5 sites Just find what works for you, and duplicate it...on a large scale. Again, look at purchasing domain names like it's a cost of doing business. I'm into the adsense business of building sites to make money. The cost of $7/domain name is simply a cost of doing business. | |
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How many "mini sites" do you own and how much does a site like this (5-10 pages, keyword in domain, low competition) earn from Adsense per month (on average)? Just looking to somewhat "guesstimate" my earnings once I get ~50 websites online, so I can set myself a goal. | |
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Oh I see. So Id get www-dot-jennairgrillsreviews-dot-com (or something) then my other 30 pages or so would be long tails like is the jenn air grill any good and jenn air grill review? Im not too fussed about domain name cost. I was a little concerned about that firefox plug in that blocks adsense ads but I figured that not everyone will have it installed and I gotta just get going with this |
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