15000 backlinks on a new domain? continue?

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Hello!

i built lot of backlinks 8 months ago, on a nearly new site (bought in second september 2013) i actually went crazy about it and built A LOT of backlinks, but i used various keywords (around 100 different), i just saw using seoquake that the domain have 15000 backlinks pointing to it, and the website doesn't have a lot of pages at all (like 5 pages full of content)

i am not sure if i should start using the domain because i think it got sandboxed, and is it a lot 15000,

should i just start with a new domain?? (i have a clean one with few backlinks and 3 years old)

please give me your thoughts about the domain and any advice would be very appreciated.
#backlinks #continue #domain
  • Profile picture of the author SEO Power
    Start with a new one but keep the old one to see if it will recover from the sandbox. Ranking in Google has become harder than ever and sites remain in the sandbox these days longer than they used to.
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    • Profile picture of the author Robert Brown1
      I agree with him. Start with new website and also remember that you have to do white hat seo, according to google penguin update.
      Originally Posted by SEO Power View Post

      Start with a new one but keep the old one to see if it will recover from the sandbox. Ranking in Google has become harder than ever and sites remain in the sandbox these days longer than they used to.
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    Indeed. My new affiliate sites seem to sit on page 20 for weeks, then crop up to page 1. It ain't like it used to be.
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  • Profile picture of the author Doctor Dolittle
    Hi,

    From my experience, it's never a good idea to buy or add that many backlinks to your website.

    When I first started out, I was frustrated at not getting much traffic to my site so I added about 150 backlinks to my site. As a result, Google 'could not find this site'. As you can imagine, I was not happy. But it was a lesson learnt the hard way.

    I have since done a lot of studying, reading and joined forums and discovered the following -

    1) Never buy and add backlinks to your website
    2) Never add irrelevant backlinks to your site
    3) Add them slowly and build them up over time
    4) Only add links that are relevant to your niche or business
    5) Time will profell!

    You should instead spend your time and money on building your list and promoting your website to your subscribers.That way you will get natural traffic to your site and with relevant backlinks being added over a period of time, Google will not then penalise you for trying to beat their systems.

    Too many people spend their time and money on the SEO market and forget the important things like builder their list and building their business around their subscribers.

    Good luck and I hope this helps.
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    • Profile picture of the author JasonG1
      thx guys, okay, i think am gonna let this domain rest for some time, and will try to build slowly and naturally, but how can i be sure that my site got sandboxed?? is there any software/service to be sure, to test my website "status"
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      Originally Posted by Doctor Dolittle View Post

      Hi,

      1) Never buy and add backlinks to your website
      2) Never add irrelevant backlinks to your site
      3) Add them slowly and build them up over time
      4) Only add links that are relevant to your niche or business
      5) Time will profell!
      I only hope/wish you are one of my competitors.

      Of course you break your own rules by putting a sig link here....

      Profell...I don't...I don't know where to go with that...

      Paul
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    • Profile picture of the author SEO Eddie
      Originally Posted by Doctor Dolittle View Post

      Hi,



      I have since done a lot of studying, reading and joined forums and discovered the following -

      1) Never buy and add backlinks to your website

      Why not? Sounds like a good idea to me.
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  • Profile picture of the author johnben1444
    In short term, start a new domain i doubt if your old domain holds any water.

    How else do you intend to rank your site?

    Through bulky backlinks again?

    These are questions that you need to ask yourself otherwise you will be putting yourself in the same predicament like the past.
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    • Profile picture of the author JasonG1
      Originally Posted by johnben1444 View Post

      In short term, start a new domain i doubt if your old domain holds any water.

      How else do you intend to rank your site?

      Through bulky backlinks again?

      These are questions that you need to ask yourself otherwise you will be putting yourself in the same predicament like the past.

      so even the 3 years old domain won't do the work (it's in the same niche) ???

      i mean a new domain is way better than this one?

      how much backlinks you think i should build a day and which ones (is it PRs)?
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      • Profile picture of the author Action Man
        you should do no back links, none, create a great site, you want natural back links
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        • Profile picture of the author JasonG1
          Originally Posted by Action Man View Post

          you should do no back links, none, create a great site, you want natural back links
          really??? i do have sites like this, and no where near spot one!
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          • Profile picture of the author aygabtu
            Originally Posted by JasonG1 View Post

            really??? i do have sites like this, and no where near spot one!
            It is tough. If it isn't a compelling site with content and utility that would bring people back day to day or week to week then backlinks will be slow to come by. Google would like you to use adwords to get your site off the ground, bringing in eyeballs while they profit from it. But you also have the opportunity to get regular users and backlinks/referrals from them which will improve your rank in the SERPs.

            That is Google's model. Only the most compelling sites and content can get to #1 on their own merits, especially when you are competing against sites that have been around much longer than yours.
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  • Profile picture of the author Action Man
    so should we impress google with lies, should we not just build a great website
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    I bet those are some good links, lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dr los3
    15k links man nice. I would keep it and use it. It takes me a while to build 1 good link..If you have 15k i don't see why you would start over, that is a lot of work.
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  • Profile picture of the author SEO Eddie
    I would start again with a different domain to be honest. I imagine yours doesn't have much trust. If you were using low quality links then you're probably going to have problems with ranking it, if not already then probably in the future.

    It doesn't really have any value, so ditch it and use your new one.
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  • Profile picture of the author npoint
    I would check how it will react on one mid competition keyphrase before, build 50 high quality backlinks on blog platforms, boost them with GSA SER or other tool and see what will hapen. How many of these backlinks are still indexed ? Have you used professional indexer service when you submitted them ?

    If not probalby most of them are out of the index, check it in ahrefs before you make a decision to drop this domain.
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    • Profile picture of the author JasonG1
      Originally Posted by npoint View Post

      I would check how it will react on one mid competition keyphrase before, build 50 high quality backlinks on blog platforms, boost them with GSA SER or other tool and see what will hapen. How many of these backlinks are still indexed ? Have you used professional indexer service when you submitted them ?

      If not probalby most of them are out of the index, check it in ahrefs before you make a decision to drop this domain.

      Hi and thx for response

      when i submitted them i used, at the time ( onehourbacklinks.co and dripfeedlinks.co ) in onehourbacklinks.co i only indexed backlinks and PR1 backlinks (and few PR2 ,3,4) and in dripfeedlinks.co just ordered lot of backlinks,

      i checked the site with ahrefs :

      URL Rank 24
      Ahrefs Domain Rank 30
      Backlinks 151
      Referring Domains 35

      don't understand why it says only 150 backlinks and when i checked it with seoquake it was 15k, any ways is it good should i continue with it or no??

      and where can i find 50 high quality backlinks on blog platforms!!!???
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  • Profile picture of the author rahs08
    If you will grow slowly , this success will be for long time.
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  • Profile picture of the author npoint
    It seems they are poor quality they will never get indexed, you must use professional indexing service like instantlinkindexer etc. and even then you can`t be 100% sure all the backlinks will get indexed.
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  • Profile picture of the author jameyson72
    Keep the domain. Work on adding quality content that is fully optimized for high visibility. If your content is good and optimized, those links will not negatively effect you as much as you think. A perfect example is Seth's Blog (google it). This blog has been around a long time and has over 2 million backlinks, many of which are absolutely toxic. It has a pr6 and great interaction. The reason Seth's blog isn't being penalized despite really bad backlinks is because he provides very high quality content and people like it. Create quality well-optimized content that people want to read and share and I guarantee your site will do well...
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  • Profile picture of the author cherbeat
    Definitely too many backlinks. It looks unnatural in Googles eyes. If you do build links slowly build up over time not too many. Social Engagement (add the buttons to your site ie Facebook, Twitter, Pinterest, etc) that will help you get back in favor.

    But unnatural backlinks will never be a good thing. If you get different forms of links can be a useful as well. Just not so many. Get authoritative links they help the best.

    Good Luck
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    • Profile picture of the author habibkhan01
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      Originally Posted by cherbeat View Post

      Definitely too many backlinks. It looks unnatural in Googles eyes. If you do build links slowly build up over time not too many. Social Engagement (add the buttons to your site ie Facebook, Twitter, Pinterest, etc) that will help you get back in favor.

      But unnatural backlinks will never be a good thing. If you get different forms of links can be a useful as well. Just not so many. Get authoritative links they help the best.

      Good Luck
      You are right and I also added that with the increasing of backlinks visitors must be increased for high ranking. So both backlinks and visitors need at the same time.
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    Start a new one! Save the older one and hope to become ACTIVE again (out of sandbox!)
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  • Profile picture of the author LuckyIMer
    Start with a new domain, your biggest mistake was targeting for many keywords and building your back links quickly for a newly established domain. Focus on few keywords only and variate between them, build your back links slowly at the beginning since the website is new, avoid any duplication of content and even in building back links. Build the back links from only related websites, quality directories and blogs, etc. And avoid low quality websites.

    The number of back links is not as important as the quality of the websites you are getting back links from.

    Also try to add content on the new domain and not only 5 pages.
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    • Profile picture of the author JasonG1
      thankyou all for your help, really appreciate it, i think am gonna work on the site going slowly with hight quality related nich backlinks, and adding more and way better content, i tested the site with google webmaster and seem there is no errors or warnings or anything. thx again!
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    • Profile picture of the author sweezeter
      Originally Posted by LuckyIMer View Post

      Start with a new domain, your biggest mistake was targeting for many keywords and building your back links quickly for a newly established domain. Focus on few keywords only and variate between them, build your back links slowly at the beginning since the website is new, avoid any duplication of content and even in building back links. Build the back links from only related websites, quality directories and blogs, etc. And avoid low quality websites.

      The number of back links is not as important as the quality of the websites you are getting back links from.

      Also try to add content on the new domain and not only 5 pages.
      I am sorry to say but I don't think you know much about SEO.

      Based on your post here especially it's clear that you are rehashing old advice, and some advice that never worked at any time.

      "Start with a new domain"

      Why? There could be 14,999 links from one domain because of a sitewide link. How hard is it for that one link to be removed? Maybe it's not as bad as it looks and can be easily fixed.

      "your biggest mistake was targeting for many keywords"

      Wrong again, diversity is key. Optimizing for one, or only a few keywords is a big mistake. That's how you trigger penalties.

      "Focus on few keywords only and variate between them"

      Wrong.

      "Build the back links from only related websites, "

      Again, not true. I have many sites that I buy links for and have never received a penalty and there isn't ONE related backlink and they dominate the rankings. Is my method riskier? Sure. But trying to find only "related" websites is just bad advice as it will slow down his results.

      "quality directories"

      Quality directories, lol, more like quality penalties. If you are link building with directories these days you can just kiss your rankings goodbye.

      I'm all for feedback and help as long as it's advice that will help someone. Unfortunately this was not.
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      • Profile picture of the author LuckyIMer
        Originally Posted by sweezeter View Post

        I am sorry to say but I don't think you know much about SEO.

        Based on your post here especially it's clear that you are rehashing old advice, and some advice that never worked at any time.
        Sorry to say I disagree. It means you did not understand my advises to the OP, as everyone can interpret his own way.


        Originally Posted by sweezeter View Post

        "Start with a new domain"

        Why? There could be 14,999 links from one domain because of a sitewide link. How hard is it for that one link to be removed? Maybe it's not as bad as it looks and can be easily fixed.
        Sure thing, that is if the domain name history and back links would be related to the website topic that will be developed, if it is not, it useless backlinks and search engines might penalize your new website since you have back links unrleated to your website topic.

        Originally Posted by sweezeter View Post

        "your biggest mistake was targeting for many keywords"
        Originally Posted by sweezeter View Post


        Wrong again, diversity is key. Optimizing for one, or only a few keywords is a big mistake. That's how you trigger penalties.

        "Focus on few keywords only and variate between them"

        Wrong.
        You are wrong, when you start doing SEO/SEM on a new website, you need to target for low competition keywords and focus on few keywords and ofcourse use variation and not spam, this will be effective. Once the website grows and rank for these keywords, then you can target for keywords with medium to high competitions. Targeting for many keywords at the beginning without focusing will get no results unless if you have $$$$ to spend monthly and hire people/companies, which is not what the OP looking for.

        Diversity is is a key and a must, I never said diversity is not a key. Diversity of keywords, links sources, link types, etc. But, 100 keywords in 8 months, this is not SEO or diversity, but spamming.

        Originally Posted by sweezeter View Post

        "Build the back links from only related websites, "
        Originally Posted by sweezeter View Post


        Again, not true. I have many sites that I buy links for and have never received a penalty and there isn't ONE related backlink and they dominate the rankings. Is my method riskier? Sure. But trying to find only "related" websites is just bad advice as it will slow down his results.
        Wrong!

        Unrelated back links means, you don't build back links from "weight loss" websites when your website is about "Jewelry ". If you do this certainly your website will be penalized or even banned. A few back links might not really hurt, but when there are many unrelated back links, surely you won't rank anywhere.


        Originally Posted by sweezeter View Post

        "quality directories"
        Originally Posted by sweezeter View Post

        Quality directories, lol, more like quality penalties. If you are link building with directories these days you can just kiss your rankings goodbye.

        I'm all for feedback and help as long as it's advice that will help someone. Unfortunately this was not.
        Wrong!

        Quality directories examples Yahoo, DOMZ, JoeAnt, etc. There are many well respected and effective directories paid or free. Would listing your website link on these directories kiss good by your website ranking? No, it will make your website rank better. I'm talking about real quality directories, not some junk and fly by night.
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  • Profile picture of the author Doctor Dolittle
    I have come back to this post to find out how things were going but mainly because I was interested in what other advice people would offer.

    It has confirmed one thing, everybody in this trade has different opinions about what works and what doesn't, especially when it comes to SEO.

    I have a few tester sites that I implement other peoples advice on, work out what works and what doesn't and then transfer this onto my main sites.

    I know backlinks aren't the be all and end all because I have two 'tester sites' siting on page one, each in their own niche, both of which only have two backlinks on.

    I also have one of my main business sites sitting on page two (worked its way up from page eight) using one keyword whilst it is siting on page one using other. When I ask people where they got my details from, they either say Facebook or Google. And the number of backlinks of this site? Two.

    Research shows me that my competitors have between 120 - 650 backlinks on their sites and closer examination shows that they are all related to the trade, bouncy castles, kids entertainment etc.

    I will still say that SEO isn't always the answer. There is always more than one way of skinning a cat so to speak.

    Kim Roach recently achieved a totally of more than 15,000 views on one article and it had nothing to do with her ranking but everything to do her traffic strategy.

    I think at times we all get side tracked and forget the importance of what we are told in the very beginning

    'Build your list'

    Good luck to you all.
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  • Profile picture of the author olumyte
    Oh dear friend, start with a new one and hope the old one will recover from the sandbox but it will take a long period. moreover you can get like at least 20 manually backlinks is enough to build on and start with as time goes on your good content will provide the rest. 15000 is an autosubimission and the penalty of this is sandbox. good luck
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