I Aim to make $50 Writing & Selling a Series of Poker Articles Within 3 Months

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I was going to ask if there was still a market for poker related content but couldn't really find the right board for it so I thought here would be a good place to not ask a question and just try selling some and post what happens instead. I plan to spend no money on promotion or marketing.

Who Am I?

I am not an internet marketer. I am an online retailer.

I have sold one article on poker for $15 nine years ago but not any other content.

I know a fair amount about live tournament poker.

I can string words together quite well when needed.

I have so far written 7 related high quality (!) articles on one particular aspect of poker and intend the total to be 15-20 articles averaging 600 words apiece.

What Am I Qualified to Do?

So as someone who has done retail, selling mainly through ads, marketing as such is not something I have done much of. It would be pointless for me to illustrate how to produce from scratch and /or sell a particular physical product on eBay or Amazon in this particular thread because that would be quite easy for me to do and this isn't a retail forum. I would learn nothing and I may suggest dong things the reader cannot do - or in other words, what I take for granted may be an alien concept to some. Just like running an AdWords campaign would be to me. So perhaps look on me as a novice at internet marketing for the purpose of the exercise.

What Can't I do?

With that in mind I will try and approach this with a totally different way of doing things. I'm not a professional writer - $15 dollars in 9 years isn't good earnings. I do not do marketing. I only have a half to a third of the material I will need. Social media is something I find a little bit unsociable at times.

What Are My Motivations to Sell Poker articles?

I wrote the articles over Christmas. Mainly for personal reasons but also for possible monetization purposes in a very peripheral way. They turned out so well that I then ensured they were unavailable for viewing. There is a tiny possibility that they have been seen - and possibly copied - but it's very unlikely. Why this matters may be explained later.

Another motivation is that I like a challenge and this seems doable. $50 in my pocket would be good. Showing others how they might go about doing something similar would be good. Getting feedback and advice would be good. Learning anything at all would be another bonus.

Where to Start?

The quantity of articles or blog posts or whatever they might be will need expanding. 15-20 would make a coherent and chunky enough bundle to be attractive to potential buyers. That might be the first step. They need to retain consistency and focus so as to be capable of being read in a linear and proper fashion so as to provide the highest amount of comprehension. Each article would be a stand-alone piece and would not necessarily have to be read subsequent to the last in the series but I think it vital that things are not out of place. Once they are sold it doesn't matter.

Who Are My Potential Customers?

Who will I sell to? That is a very good question and I don't know. If you had asked me that same question 10 years ago you would not have asked me the question because there would have been no question: the articles would have been wanted/obtained/published (possibly for free) on a poker forum.

So I can't do that now then - no? Who knows? Things have moved on and poker is more or less banned in the US - the only market worth bothering about.

Overview


So:

We are on the way to completing a poker info product.

The market for such products has dwindled drastically.

There may be no buyers.

But the writing is good enough to slap on a blog or a gambling site or a YouTube video (even with an auto reader/ robot voice just repeating the content might be a thing for someone to do - no idea) or for someone to flip to an article marketing website.

Also the price would seem quite cheap. One visitor who is attracted to a gambling site because of the content may be worth hundreds - thousands even - of dollars to the operator, so from a business point of view it might make sense.

The goal is small but achievable, I think. If it worked I would possibly consider doing more of it. So in theory it could turn out to be a long term profitable project. But I have other projects, long term/short term goals, personal interests and hobbies to get on with so it isn't priority. If I were just concentrating on this the goal would be around 2-3 weeks at most.

I cannot post any of the articles for what should be obvious reasons. Were I to want better money for the writing I would have to ensure accuracy. I could not effectively ensure this myself because it's just one of those things best left to professionals - that's why many writers need editors and why books need proof readers. I would at least need to get all of the articles peer-reviewed. And that might cost money unless it could be done gratis by an amenable poker writer.

But I will be asking what I estimate to be a very reasonable price and pre-sale checks by a third-party isn't included. Any possible buyer will need to know what they are doing but any potentially interested parties are almost bound to know whether or not the information is reliable, so that's not really an issue anyway.

What is the Total Expected Completion Time For the Project?

A timescale of 3 months is long for this so the task should be completed in one way or other by then.

How Often Will I update this Thread?

I will post on this thread at the absolute minimum once per week.

I will answer all questions as they come along as quickly as possible.

What Are The Chances of Success?

The probability of this succeeding is definitely above zero. As a poker player and betting man - but not a gambler - I fancy my chances to be higher than 50%, especially with the motivation to not look like a complete plonker. One useful calculation to make would work like this: If I had $100 dollars to bet on my success, how much of that $100 would I bet? It could range anywhere from the entire bankroll down to just a cent. I either win that amount or lose that amount. That could then be turned into a percentage and that could be used to determine confidence. I don't think it is a calculation that many or any poker players or gamblers make but I find it handy in some situations. The apparent contradictory percentages are the result of completely different calculations and the two are not directly related. It may look odd but it's the usefulness of the two figures we need to look at as opposed to coming to an average or choosing one figure over the other. Maybe they are supposed to match - never asked.

So how much of my $100 bankroll would I bet on this working? Wagering on the average Joe being able to roughly refurbish/clean/list any charity shop (goodwill) random1960s Fender guitar and sell it on eBay for at least $2,000 or more is something I would maybe bet around $80-90 on. The chances of finding such a guitar in such circumstance is, however, not very likely, so I would bet 10c on that possibility.

The amount I would bet on the articles selling for $50 would be around $20. Turning that into a percentage we get 20%, which is odds of 5/1. Or to finish the calculation: for every 5 times something exactly like this is done it will only succeed once.

What if this fails?

So there seems to be quite a reasonable chance of this working in my view. But if it doesn't? The work may turn out to be substandard or unwanted. So what? Put it away for later or reduce the price. Or utilize in some other way such as article marketing, which seems easy enough. With perhaps affiliate links and whatnot at some juncture. Could even make more than $50, in theory. Or give the articles away to someone who wants them and can make use of them. There will still be options.

Example/s of similar writing to that contained in the articles in question can be posted here by me


I would be more than happy to portray the kind of thing I am hoping to write/sell by way of a fresh paragraph or two. I could be 'tested' by another member. This would enable members to have more of an idea of what kind of product I am selling and to critique style/content/presentation, which wouldn't hurt.

The question needs to concern the subject at hand though: I can't predict who will be the next WSOP major event winner. It would need to concern either probability or psychology, especially poker tells - my specialty poker subject.

No knowledge of poker would be needed to ask - you may find a poker puzzle or question on PokerStars' website, for instance, relating to the above subjects, but for guidance my articles mainly concern those aspects within the context of live casino tournament play. Then you could check my answer against the given answer. But please bear in mind that if they don't tally there is a greater than 50% probability that the given answer will be incorrect

Thanks!

Thanks for reading and I hope the thread turns out to be of some use or interest to those who may follow it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    Three months to write 15-20 articles (when some are already written) to earn $50 is a low standard to set for yourself. Why have you chosen to write only 600 word articles? Very short by today's standards.



    We are on the way to completing an info product.
    The market for such products has dwindled drastically.
    If you haven't done any freelance writing - what is your basis for that statement?
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    • Profile picture of the author savidge4
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      Three months to write 15-20 articles (when some are already written) to earn $50 is a low standard to set for yourself. Why have you chosen to write only 600 word articles? Very short by today's standards.
      I started a thread here with the goal of making $250 from a $40 spend on eBay... I KNEW when I started that was an extreme under estimation... BUT many thought it was going to near impossible.

      He is going to write some articles and sell some for a total in sales to equal $50 or greater in 3 months.... doesn't matter how many he has written... I am thinking I would have a hard time doing this. The content is to short for Amazon - im sitting here writting this trying to figure out in my own head how I would even do this actually....

      The PROCESS of selling in this is the part I would be interested in seeing - and I am sure many others that can write, but cant sell what they have written would be interested as well. I would like to see updates on the Mechanics of the process... not so much the writing ( could really care less about that ) but the steps to setting up a point of sales for the articles, and how you got people there.
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      • Profile picture of the author Oscar K
        Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

        The PROCESS of selling in this is the part I would be interested in seeing - and I am sure many others that can write, but cant sell what they have written would be interested as well. I would like to see updates on the Mechanics of the process... ...the steps to setting up a point of sales for the articles, and how you got people there.
        Me too! I'll be keeping an eye on me.
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    • Profile picture of the author Oscar K
      -We are on the way to completing an info product.
      The market for such products has dwindled drastically.-

      "If you haven't done any freelance writing - what is your basis for that statement?"

      I should have been clearer. I was referring to poker info products. I have edited the post to read:

      -We are on the way to completing a poker info product.
      The market for such products has dwindled drastically.-

      The demand for poker material has definitely dwindled over the last few years due to US legislation being introduced which restricted online gambling for most Americans. 7-8 years ago the material I have written would have been worth around $7 per article perhaps or would have got me an affiliate link on a poker forum. There was demand. Twenty articles would have worked out about $140. Maybe with inflation we can call it closer to $200 in today's money. There may be barely any demand today.

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      "Three months to write 15-20 articles (when some are already written) to earn $50 is a low standard to set for yourself. Why have you chosen to write only 600 word articles? Very short by today's standards."

      Thank you for the question - best to put all reasons in a list in no particular order just so as to identify as many reasons as possible why this and not something else or a different method or money goal:

      1. Firstly the articles are the correct length for the material. Any number of the articles could be combined consecutively or even randomly to create bigger paragraphs in order to reach a saleable size, if that's needed. And for this I could simply do more articles on different poker subjects or go into even more detail on the existing ones to make bulkier product. Each article could be expanded but that would spoil the flow. I will be discussing mainly mathematical probabilities, psychology in poker and poker tells (body language) and any fluff would water down the material. It needs to be as concise as possible so as to be taken as serious and correct.

      Each of the above subjects are split into sub-categories of their own. There will be an intro, short analysis of these elements followed by separate articles dealing mostly with the two main elements (probability & psychology) in isolation and combined with each other. Think 'Poker and its Sub-Sections'. That's rubbish - I actually have have an apt heading.

      Each of the main articles are told from an observer's point of view featuring the same main character who we watch as he plays a hand and we explain what he is doing and why. These short tales illustrate the elements in a readable and story-type way and provide very clear meaning as to what the lesson was. The lessons are more for the advanced player but beginners would profit from reading it. Lot of technical stuff.

      I need to stop and continue the list in a bit. But for now these good reasons also exist - a banal saying and my fable persona:

      2. The longest journey starts with a single step.

      3. I am a tortoise, not a hare.


      I will continue the list ASAP.

      Nothing is set in stone. Flexibility is always under consideration. Advice will be heeded.
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  • Profile picture of the author Oscar K
    I just did a search and ended up somewhere where I was a member. That may happen a lot. So I scribbled a quick pitch and sent it on the basis that doing something is usually better than not doing something. If the pitch is rubbish the next one can be made better.

    Do I seriously think that I can complete this task within a day or two? Yep. Nope. Maybe.


    'Hi,

    Are you in need of some quite short but high quality articles relating to live poker? All based on probability, tells and psychology. They are an average of 600 words only but very concise - two are intro/general and 5 are in story form with a main character told from observer point of view.

    I am willing and able to expand or combine articles but cannot redo any of them as it would spoil the flow.

    I need a quick sale and $50 is the asking price. Totally original, former semi-pro in UK, unpublished and fresh.

    I think they would have the value of attraction to your websites if there are live poker players likely to see the material. I am aware of the possible value here so $50 is cheap, I think.

    But I do know that things are different nowadays so unsure. Can provide sample or an article or article list with samples - whichever suits you best.

    Let me know soon please if interested - these need to go.


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  • Profile picture of the author Oscar K
    This one elicited a "No thank you", so at least it was looked at. Contains bit more detail. I'm not a copywriter so it's not going to be correct. Any suggestions welcome.



    Hi,

    Are you in need of some quite short but high quality articles relating to live poker? All based on probability, tells and psychology. They are average 600-700 words only but very concise - two are intro/general and 5 are in story form with a main character told from observer point of view. It's basically my time at the tables in specific hands well analyzed with decent writing - as in accurate and readable and instructive. Do you have anything here on tourney chip value? Tells? Real top 15% player step-by-step thinking? All vital stuff which I know well. Think Dan Negreanu and uncanny decisions - that was me - tells are my specialty. That can be taught and illustrated well. I can continue the series or can sell as is. I'd be happy with quick sale or not. You could rewrite if needed. The accuracy should be high - it WILL need checking. Can ensure accuracy for complete series if that's better but I have to pay for editor to check my work.

    I am willing and able to expand or combine articles but cannot redo any of them as it would spoil the flow.

    I need a quick sale and $50 is the asking price for what I have. But I can continue the series. Totally original, former semi-pro in UK, unpublished and fresh.

    I think they would have value if there are live poker players likely to see the material. I am aware of the possible value here so $50 is cheap, I think. Proof is in the pudding so you will need to see.

    Can provide sample or an article or article list with samples - whichever suits you best. Each article is under live poker psychology/tells/probability - strictly for PL/NL HE £10-100 tourney rebuys.

    Let me know soon please if interested - I need to find a taker..


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  • Profile picture of the author Oscar K
    "Three months to write 15-20 articles (when some are already written) to earn $50 is a low standard to set for yourself. Why have you chosen to write only 600 word articles? Very short by today's standards."


    4. It could have been "Earn $0 by infinity".

    5. It could have been "Write and sell a book within a year".

    6. This seems like a happy medium.

    7. It was scrap but could be sold to the right dealer with effort.

    8. I have lots of other projects already lined up and unsure if I can fit it in easily. Realistically it should be 30 articles written in a week and sold within the next one.

    9. Fifty dollars may be too much to pay for the content - who may need it these days? Maybe nobody.

    10. The writing might be stupidly bad. I am a very confident writer but only under specific circumstances - as far as I know. Is this any good for the audience it needs to impress? Should be but I'm not as confident of that as I would be threatening eBay or something.

    11. Horses for courses - I need to learn the course. This COULD take time.

    12. The board where this thread appears seems currently to have only one lively thread (from savidge4) and putting two and two together would make for a whole, so it's more a case of doing something as opposed to not.

    13. The above mentioned poster pretty much summed up why the time involved and the money goal is not as important as the actual journey: it's about what we can learn on that journey.

    14. I like to keep my promises. I could not promise better.

    15. It looks to be an easy task but...


    THE most important consideration is the actual product itself and whether or not it is desirable to potential buyers.

    NO matter how skilled or productive I am the product may be a dud.

    IF I can sell this product for ANY money I'd be very surprised.

    THEREFORE it doesn't really matter how much I make.

    BUT I will learn something perhaps.


    To be honest I feel a book would work starting from out of what I have so far. Poker players like bite-sized chunks of material. I could do a blog maybe but don't want to. More likely would be Amazon - Kindle or whatever. If this project does fail I will possibly have that to fall back on at some point - the material will be always there if I wish to use it. I have never written a book.
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  • Profile picture of the author Oscar K
    Writing seems OK but presentation and title is dry.

    New working title is "Play the Player". Will continue to write similar to what I have then see about bringing it together into a coherent and exciting whole. So rather than a series of connected short articles suitable for drawing attention to casino/poker offers for gambling website owners I plan to write a short pamphlet length series of paragraphs/chapters as a complete thing but with ease of splitting those up so as they can be used more easily by whoever might purchase.

    Each chapter could be named after name of opponent who our hero is up against. The style of presentation I am thinking about is 100% better than it was.
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  • Profile picture of the author Oscar K
    Just got on an excellent poker forum to ask members about likely demand for what I can produce.

    Section where I posted concerns a specific aspect within main subject/s: Tells.
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  • Profile picture of the author augustine1
    Best of luck in your journey
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    • Profile picture of the author Oscar K
      Originally Posted by augustine1 View Post

      Best of luck in your journey
      Thank you.


      But I am so, so sorry that the challenge as it now stands will be impossible to complete.

      Turns out that the aim of producing a book in a year would have been more realistic for the following reasons:

      1. There is absolutely no ready market for the material - no matter how good it is. I know this because I have been in contact with a poker writer who knows.

      2. But there may be a market for a short book. This would have far more potential as a saleable product because I could promote it myself via Amazon or elsewhere. It would be a product with substance and durability.

      3. So I will need to figure out an outline and better focus. There is always room for a good book on poker and I believe I have the capability to write one and get it published.

      4. So I will have to go away and reassess the situation then get back on here and update the thread.


      So challenge not over - but will need looking at so as to make it actually doable.

      I knew this would not be easy but at least I didn't waste more time on a dead-end project and now have a better one lined up.


      Any developments I will get back on here to report - and will keep an eye on the thread.
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      • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
        Originally Posted by Oscar K View Post

        Any developments I will get back on here to report - and will keep an eye on the thread.

        When you come up with a new project, you can submit a new thread.
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