Joomla or Drupal?

techntuts

16 years ago

Joomla. Bcaz i never used drupal...

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phpdev

16 years ago

Joomla. I used both and Joomla is rich in features and there are tons of free modules available.

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richrajeevkistoo

16 years ago

drupal is now hte most popular CMS and taken over a huge market share from joomla.

It really depends on the functionalities you are looking for at the end of the day.

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jasonthewebmaster

Banned 16 years ago

Originally Posted by richrajeevkistoo

drupal is now hte most popular CMS and taken over a huge market share from joomla.

It really depends on the functionalities you are looking for at the end of the day.

I own a web development company, pm if you need in depth advice.

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LOL your opinion is untrue, sorry to say...

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donhx

16 years ago

Originally Posted by richrajeevkistoo

drupal is now hte most popular CMS and taken over a huge market share from joomla.

It really depends on the functionalities you are looking for at the end of the day.

I own a web development company, pm if you need in depth advice.

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Can you back up this claim from a reliable source? I think not.

According to Joomla, they have had 15 million downloads of Joomla since they started in 2006. Currently they have about 20,000 downloads per day.
Joomla! Surpasses 15 Million Downloads | Bill Hartzer
Joomla has a huge amount of 3rd party support and it will probably take many years for anyone to catch them.

On the other hand, according to Drupal, they only has about 3300 downloads per day. Association Memberships | Drupal Association. There are only about 8600 modules and 1,000 themes available for Drupal, an extremely tiny amount of resources when compared with Joomla.

Drupal has in no way "taken over a huge market share from Joomla." Drupal seems to attract a lot of "fan boys." Drupal is not special in any way, however. My advice, stick with Joomla for the heavy lifting-- or WordPress for more simple uses.

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jasonthewebmaster Banned 16 years ago

Originally Posted by phpdev

Joomla. I used both and Joomla is rich in features and there are tons of free modules available.

I agree. Joomla is also the most popular CMS if you compare worldwide and has the most extensions as well.
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naikvarda 15 years ago

I didn't used anyone so please help me more.
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- ToneUK 15 years ago
  
  In my opinion, Drupal is the best. I have been using it for a couple of years now and it is so flexible. Drupal 6 was a little confusing and hard to use at first, but Drupal 7 has had lots of work gone into making it more usable.
  
  What I would say, is if it is a large web site then Drupal is better than Joomla. The whitehouse using Drupal is proof enough for me. It is a large web site and gets a huge amount of traffic.
  
  There might not be as many themes or modules than Joomla. But it does have everything you need. If there is functionality you need, then it is highly likely there is a contributed module on the Drupal org site. If not, with a bit of programming work you could create one.
  
  Themes can be adapted quite easily using firebug and altering CSS. The template files are quite easy to override as well. If there is no theme available, then you could hire someone to develop one.
  
  I agree with others that Wordpress, is good for simple sites because it's so easy to use. However, I would not use it for larger sites or ecommerce. I even create small sites using Drupal. This is because the chances are, it could turn into a larger site and I wouldn't like to migrate.
  
  Most people would recommend Magento for ecommerce but I have had good results using Drupal for ecommerce as well. Ubercart is an ecommerce module for Drupal that can be used for ecommerce and there is work in progress for a new module called Drupalcommerce for Drupal 7.
  
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Happy_Balance

16 years ago

The most popular products are often not the best.
Both of those have good points and serious drawbacks.
Drupal 7 did make some good advances in usability.

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Jay Moreno

16 years ago

@richrajeevkistoo - whats your source to your claim i would be interested to see

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madmmd

16 years ago

obviously joomla.. it has lots of themes and features..

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dogreene 16 years ago

If it's not a complicated site, how about WordPress?
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- sixpack01 16 years ago
  
  Drupal is much more flexible when it comes to the development and setting up the theme and layout of the website. Joomla! is known to be surrounded by the paradigms set by itself, and offers less scope to be flexible.
  
  Joomla! is easy and fast to operate and implement. On the other hand, Drupal is quite a tough nut and have always been the choice of comprehensive businesses and enterprises.
  
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  fergsi 16 years ago
  
  Joomla Cause Drupal has a steep learnng curve. QUite complicated too.
  
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- fergsi 16 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by dogreene
  
  If it's not a complicated site, how about WordPress?
  
  Exactly! If not complicated, USe Wordpress!
  
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  myeanne 16 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by fergsi
  
  Exactly! If not complicated, USe Wordpress!
  
  Agree as well, most of our clients required to use wordpress but it easy to navigate. Second requirement is drupal and then joomla.
  
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jasonthewebmaster

Banned 16 years ago

Joomla is by far the most popular and most used CMS of any, including wordpress. Look at these stats from Alexa and google which prove it:
How Many Websites Use Joomla: 30 million? | General Joomla | Compass Design

Some more interesting facts:

Around 30 million websites are built with Joomla
The Joomla community is big, and it’s active. The official forum at forum.joomla.org has (as of writing) over 110,000 members making it perhaps one of the biggest forums on the web.

The first caveat here is that many of these links will be just links from non-Joomla sites that are discussing Joomla. The second is that many Joomla users will have removed the aforementioned footer link.
We can then search for the occurrences of “powered by Joomla” and Joomla common phrases people use on their Joomla websites. Putting all these results in a table.

Links to joomla.org
Google: 357,000
Yahoo: 10,210,666

Contains “Joomla"
Google: 49,800,000
Yahoo: 26,100,000

Contains “Powered by Joomla”
Google: 1,640.000
Yahoo: 3,210,000

The search terms can provide low and high end estimates and the link analysis adds some benchmarking. This would imply that there are somewhere between 10 and 40ish million websites that are using Joomla today.

-Quoted from CompassDesigns.net

All these facts aside... sometimes it is just easier to use wordpress for the client's sake... that is if you want them poking around the backend and screwing everything up which they tend to do... (which i would not allow to happen using joomla)

Lastly,

Deciding which CMS to use based on popularity or most users is not a wise decision and could cause technical headaches down the road.

You should decide based on the needs of the project and the value that the CMS provides. The point after all is to get the project done as quickly as possible with as little custom programming as possible, while still providing the needed functionality and looking as best as possible.

Try this site CMS Matrix - it will let you compare the hundreds of CMS system that are available now:
http://www.cmsmatrix.org/

or you can just focus on figuring out what you want your site to actually DO then find the best plugins for your needs and if it be WP or Joomla or Drupal, let that influence your decision. Good luck.

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mojojuju 16 years ago

Originally Posted by jasonthewebmaster

Contains “Powered by Joomla”
Google: 1,640.000
Yahoo: 3,210,000

I'd hardly consider this reliable.

I searched Google for "“Powered by Joomla” and Google says "About 27,500,000 results (0.06 seconds) "

Ok.

So then I started clicking through every page of the serps for that query and by the time I clicked to the 11th page, Google says "Page 11 of about 68,600,000 results (0.10 seconds) " (also, I logged out, ran the query again, and google said 27,500,000 results again, which it raised to 68,600,000 again after I clicked through the results a bit)

So what's the deal here? I think what Google returns as "about XXXX results" should be taken with a grain of salt. Returning the number of results or even the approximate number of results seems like it would be too expensive of a query for Google to be doing for each and every search.

After a while of clicking through the results for the "Powered by Joomla" query, I'm on page 47 of the results. And most (if any) of the sites listed on page 47 of the results (at 10 results per page, that's only 470 results in) are not even Joomla web sites. The screenshot below demonstrates this well....

See what I mean? That Google Books url isn't a Joomla site. Neither are many of the sites listed in the results. Heck, within a few hours this thread will probably show up in Google for "Powered by Joomla".

Also, I'd like to say I think when Google says "Page N of about XX,XXX results", XX,XXX is just a number pulled out of Google's proverbial ass. As I mentioned before, the "result count" went from 27,500,000 to 68,600,000 just from clicking a few links. It doesn't say much for the precision of their calculation.
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- FreshMedia 16 years ago
  
  The top CMS's all have their weaknesses and strengths. And it really depends on what your goals are. I'm a big Drupal fan, and have been using it for a few years. It has a steep learning curve, but I can create almost any type of site with Drupal.
  
  WordPress on the other hand is easier to use and it's great for creating niche websites and blogs. I started using WordPress a few months ago and now create all my niches sites with it. Drupal is a little overkill for simple little sites.
  
  Now if you want to create a site you can extend with granular control than you want to use Drupal.
  
  I've never used Joomla before, so can't comment on it.
  
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Evan-M

15 years ago

Originally Posted by jasonthewebmaster

Joomla is by far the most popular and most used CMS of any, including wordpress. Look at these stats from Alexa and google which prove it:
How Many Websites Use Joomla: 30 million? | General Joomla | Compass Design

Some more interesting facts:

Around 30 million websites are built with Joomla
The Joomla community is big, and it’s active. The official forum at forum.joomla.org has (as of writing) over 110,000 members making it perhaps one of the biggest forums on the web.

The first caveat here is that many of these links will be just links from non-Joomla sites that are discussing Joomla. The second is that many Joomla users will have removed the aforementioned footer link.
We can then search for the occurrences of “powered by Joomla” and Joomla common phrases people use on their Joomla websites. Putting all these results in a table.

Links to joomla.org
Google: 357,000
Yahoo: 10,210,666

Contains “Joomla"
Google: 49,800,000
Yahoo: 26,100,000

Contains “Powered by Joomla”
Google: 1,640.000
Yahoo: 3,210,000

The search terms can provide low and high end estimates and the link analysis adds some benchmarking. This would imply that there are somewhere between 10 and 40ish million websites that are using Joomla today.

-Quoted from CompassDesigns.net

All these facts aside... sometimes it is just easier to use wordpress for the client's sake... that is if you want them poking around the backend and screwing everything up which they tend to do... (which i would not allow to happen using joomla)

Lastly,

Deciding which CMS to use based on popularity or most users is not a wise decision and could cause technical headaches down the road.

You should decide based on the needs of the project and the value that the CMS provides. The point after all is to get the project done as quickly as possible with as little custom programming as possible, while still providing the needed functionality and looking as best as possible.

Try this site CMS Matrix - it will let you compare the hundreds of CMS system that are available now:
The CMS Matrix - cmsmatrix.org - The Content Management Comparison Tool

or you can just focus on figuring out what you want your site to actually DO then find the best plugins for your needs and if it be WP or Joomla or Drupal, let that influence your decision. Good luck.

also 100% not true. WordPress is by far the most popular cms.....
Most Popular CMS (Content Management System)

AND anything you can do with Joomla , can be done with WordPress. And done properly if the right coder is behind it.

Wordpress popularity over Joomla is possibly due to the release of WordPress 3.0 dubbed as the “Thelonious” which now reveals a feasible and working capability of WordPress as a content management system as opposed to only being used as a blogging flatform.

The only thing your stats prove is that people find it harder to edit the footer to remove the powered by text lol. Another point for WordPress.....

with all that said tho, all the major cms's have there place, and are "better" for particular tasks.

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jargonbust

16 years ago

joomla is the best one as it is easy and more helpful with internal documentations

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rain21

16 years ago

Joomla is better, because it has more options and support, don't know more about Drupal

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blazedream

16 years ago

Joomla is one of the best open source framework offering more features & benefits for PHP developers, while Drupal is also an open source framework which offers less features & more security comparatively to Joomla.

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aokiji1

16 years ago

I prefer joomla. Never used drupal though

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teecamo

16 years ago

Depends on the purpose:

Drupal: hard to figure out in the beginning, but really powerful
Joomla: popular, easier to handle

You didn't ask about it, but:
WordPress: in my humble opinion the way to go for ALMOST anything. Easy, flexible, popular enough for great community support, tons of themes...basically the bomb.

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mricon

16 years ago

Joomla Joomla Joomla. You will not regret it. the community and support is huge. Dont think twice!

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arohatech1

16 years ago

Joomla and Drupal both are powerful open source frameworks and have their features of their own. So both are worth implementing.
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filthy

15 years ago

Joomla works fine and better.

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hotcomputers

15 years ago

Google trends shows that joomla is more used.

I recommend you wordpress, because it is far better, for optimization, and it is not so server intensive.

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iAmNameLess

15 years ago

Joomla IS the most popular CMS. Wordpress is the most popular CMS used by Internet marketers, because its easy.

When it comes down to it, wordpress is the weakest out of the three. Great for those who aren't technically inclined, or have a low IQ.

Joomla is great and blows wordpress out of the water. Look guys, I love joomla, and am a huge joomla advocate, but joomla vs. drupal, drupal wins.

As a true developer, I have different tools... some sites wordpress would be okay with. Most sites Joomla fits in perfectly. More advanced sites, drupal is the winner, and ecommerce sites, magento is the winner.

It depends on what you're using it for, both Joomla and Drupal are much better choices than wordpress if you want flexibility. When it is between Joomla and Drupal, it depends on the needs of the website. If you need something to manage 10K articles, then drupal might be more ideal. It just depends on your needs.

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adyarnav

15 years ago

joomla is better

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ussher

15 years ago

are you going to be learning it or paying someone to develop it?

If you are going to be learning it do you have (and know how to use) a step through debugger?

Do you want to learn the community way of doing things or do things how you like to do things?

Those are important issues between the two.
With drupal
* it _will_ take a long time to learn.
* It is VERY useful to have a step through debugger to understand what is going on
* you are more closely bound to community coding practices when you build modules so you will have to learn "The Drupal Way"

On the flip side of those points (which _seam_ like negatives) is the positive.
Drupal does force you to learn the structure, but the good thing with this is that after that all the modules developed by others will also be in that structure. So even modules you didnt create will be in a familiar code format and layout.

Do you want to learn it so you can get a job programming it or learn it for yourself? If your looking for a job programming it drupal programmers who know their stuff always seam to cost more when I try to hire them from the freelance sites.

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vinug

15 years ago

Originally Posted by MoneyMonkey

Joomla or Drupal? What are the pros and cons of each? Which one would you pick and why?

Definitely Drupal.. I have worked with both drupal and joomla.
The only drawback that drupal have is that the themes are not upto the standard as that of joomla.(im talking about free ones).

Personal opinion :

> Drupal is easy to learn once you understand the basics
> There are modules for almost all functionality that we need

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jamesg3

15 years ago

get a rocket scientist degree or go with wordpress. lol. Nah its not that bad but they can be very difficult for someone just starting out where as Wp will handle a lot of things that most people here dont know about or wont tell you. Plus you can learn it fairly well in one day.

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Moneyerr

15 years ago

All the tools like wordpress, joomla or drupal are not perfect and complete in features. All of them are not fit for development of every kind of websites. You will have to choose any of them according to the features required by you. If the features you need in your website may not be available in drupal, you can adopt joomla or wordpress, and if those are not in joomla, you can use drupal and so on.

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Quasha

15 years ago

Depends on the purpose actually. My first choice is wordpress. Then joomla and at last drupal.

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sparckyz

15 years ago

Wordpress -- because i've never used joomla or drupal

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Saranya2011

15 years ago

In my point of view joomla is best..

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sojibrahman

15 years ago

I think Joomla is the best CMS

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gregsashinsky 15 years ago

Joomla, because I never used Drupal!!!
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EvaBrown

15 years ago

I prefer to use Joomla. It is user friendly. Joomla web developers create new versions and you are always can download new software upgrade for free. It has good eCommerce extensions.

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godwinsam

15 years ago

I will vote for Joomla.I am working with it and I am quite satisfied with it.Its quite easy and user friendly.So, I will prefer to work with it.

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techwpblog

15 years ago

i always prefer joomla..

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mahesh2010

15 years ago

I like Joomla because its a good content management system. its easy to use and customization, most of the peoples are to create website by using these cms and its having the good futures

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johneye 15 years ago

IMHO opinion, other ways of determining which one is better (besides testing it on your own) is to see how much support that each of the platform receives. E.g. How many plugins, themes, forums, etc. there are when you're searching for them?

I think long term support from the whole users / community is essential. So you want a vibrant bunch of users that provide feedback and additional "content" for this platform.

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  It just depends on what your needs are. First determine your goals and what features you need then make a decision from there.
  
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Anithaseo

15 years ago

I would go with joomla

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anders3397 15 years ago

Joomla, although I agree with others here that Wordpress really takes a lot of beating and is much easier to use. If you want to get things done quickly you should consider WordPress
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NestZone

15 years ago

Go for Joomla because you will find help from any TOM & DICK.
But if you want to settle for serious works go for Drupal and..
...if you want to be a friend to all and an enemy to your self have a piece of mind with WordPress...they never go to sleep. Always improving.

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Tylos

15 years ago

Yes, I like Joomla very much but still doing durpal as well.

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Jimipedia

15 years ago

I've tested both and from my personal experience, I can say that Drupal has more functionalities and plugins more than Joomla but I prefer Joomla because the premium templates are much more professional compare to Drupal.

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MrMarian

15 years ago

Joomla is the most popular, I used Drupal only a little bit and I think it's too sofisticated. But... I'm a great Wordpress fan and I think the using of this is the best choice, you take more SEO advantages then with Joomla or Drupal.

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beck13

15 years ago

i personally prefer joomla as i reckon they have a bigger community for support

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gekko2.0

15 years ago

Learning Joomla is my next goal, I use Dreamweaver, Komposer and Wordpress now and am trying to learn as many different web building platforms as possible so I have as much flexibility as possible for my customers.

Does anyone have recommendations on a good place to learn the basics of Joomla? I'm a member of Lynda.com so I was planing on starting with their courses.

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PeachCoding

15 years ago

Hands down Joomla, due to scalability and immense community support available.

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digitaldestiny

15 years ago

joomla! -- unless you want less functionality, as of yet, and love a code-based environment

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brittney marie

15 years ago

I think drupal will be the best to work on...

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15 years ago

I think drupal, its very user friendly and also create easily..

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ajaykumarsingh

15 years ago

Originally Posted by MoneyMonkey

Joomla or Drupal? What are the pros and cons of each? Which one would you pick and why?

Joomla seems to be popular with folks who are less techie. Drupal rules the techie world.

Having worked with numerous sites on both CMS and scores of other CMSs as well I would say go for Drupal, always, without blinking your eyes twice.

Drupal is powerful and you can do anything with it. Just wish for it and you will get it done. Drupal is like clay you can give it any shape.

Other CMSs such Joomla are not so flexible.

In the end it all comes down to your requirement. If you need a simple websites with just pages in it then go for Wordpress. If you need, let's say, a community website or various content types then go for Drupal.

Drupal can be tough to learn but more you learn more you will fall in love with it. However in the beginning it can be a real pi$$ off though.

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rajprince

15 years ago

Joomla is popular, Drupal is better

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TanYaV

13 years ago

Drupal is very powerful and customizable, but it would make no sense to use it for a simple site or blog - much learning and high costs if you hire a pro.

As to Joomla, it is powerful as well, but easier to master and cheaper to maintain. There's this infographic, comparing the two, might come in handy.

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vietnamsvisa

13 years ago

I think Joomla is easy to use. That has more everyone to support

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IvoryPulse 13 years ago

I prefer Joomla. Drupal's not bad at all - may even be better than Joomla, but Joomla is way simpler and less complicated while it can work and look even better than Drupal. It is user friendly CMS, most of things work out of the box and support is just awesome.
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Will Compton

13 years ago

I like Drupal better, it's more powerful. But if you are just going to slap a theme on it, I would go with Joomla because the market for Drupal themes is lacking. And, Drupal is about to release verison 8 soon, which means you'll have to make everything compliant.

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