wow no-follow links really work

15 years ago

Just because yahoo site explorer reveals and counts them doesn't mean that the engines give 'em anymore weight SEO-wise... it just shows that the links exist.

Not saying whether or not no-follow links are ineffective, they may very well be (no clue on this myself), just saying that yahoo site explorer's link count is unrelated.

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Muhammad Mustafa

15 years ago

My 2 cents, no-follow do work to give your backlinks the needed variety to looks more natural in the eyes of SEs, imagine a 1k pages links to a specific page and all are do-follow! obvious spam! so, yes, they do work/do their job, variety!

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nest28 15 years ago

i know for a fact that they work cuz the only backlinks pointing to that webpage was no-follow and it moved up 10 positions
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paulgl

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Muhammad Mustafa

My 2 cents, no-follow do work to give your backlinks the needed variety to looks more natural in the eyes of SEs, imagine a 1k pages links to a specific page and all are do-follow! obvious spam! so, yes, they do work/do their job, variety!

do-follow? What the heck is that? There's no such attribute.

Natural? Nofollow was created to stop spam. Logic would hold,
a bunch of nofollow links would actually look like spam, not natural.

Take your nofollow links. They do nothing for rankings. They may lead to traffic,
but not rankings.

Get 1,000 non nofollow links ASAP. There's nothing natural about nofollow.

Who the heck gives a rip about natural? Natural to what? To whom?

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iAmNameLess

15 years ago

Originally Posted by paulgl

do-follow? What the heck is that? There's no such attribute.

Natural? Nofollow was created to stop spam. Logic would hold,
a bunch of nofollow links would actually look like spam, not natural.

Take your nofollow links. They do nothing for rankings. They may lead to traffic,
but not rankings.

Get 1,000 non nofollow links ASAP. There's nothing natural about nofollow.

Who the heck gives a rip about natural? Natural to what? To whom?

Paul

Natural to google... but I'm not sure why you think they don't matter? Just because some of the community thinks it is useless? I know of situations ranked by just nofollow backlinks.

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Mike Anthony 15 years ago

Originally Posted by iAmNameLess

know of situations ranked by just nofollow backlinks.

Every few months someone makes this claim and then runs away when asked to show even one example. Its like a ritual around here.
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Muhammad Mustafa

15 years ago

Originally Posted by paulgl

do-follow? What the heck is that? There's no such attribute.

Natural? Nofollow was created to stop spam. Logic would hold,
a bunch of nofollow links would actually look like spam, not natural.

Take your nofollow links. They do nothing for rankings. They may lead to traffic,
but not rankings.

Get 1,000 non nofollow links ASAP. There's nothing natural about nofollow.

Who the heck gives a rip about natural? Natural to what? To whom?

Paul

DoFollow = links with NO NoFollow attribute!
One thing I love the most about this area (SEO) is what Barcelona said, no body really know! you'll try and error many mystery things and stick with whatever worked for you, for me, I tried what I said and it worked ok, if it did, then it works, if it didn't for you, then its not, just stick with whatever you tried and proved to be working the best!

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goldhome 15 years ago

Originally Posted by paulgl

Natural? Nofollow was created to stop spam. Logic would hold,
a bunch of nofollow links would actually look like spam, not natural.

No follow was created to stop spam for sure and that doesn't mean all the IBLs coming from no-follow links are spam. The SE algos especially of Google may have a sense that makes it feel that no-follow links are not spammy. A SE algo ranks a website with several hundreds of criteria, no-follow and do-follow will not have much validity for the SE excluding the flow of PR juice.

A mix of no-follow and do-follow will make the perfect combination suitable for high ranking. These are from my personal experiences.
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askloz 15 years ago

yes for the most part...

but its also used to tell google NOT to give the link any credit (link juice)... and if there are links that are not related on your page to your content, then nofollow is used.

nofollow also helps to fix page rank bleeding too, so you put nofollows on contact pages, privacy policy, etc, etc.

Originally Posted by paulgl

Natural? Nofollow was created to stop spam. Logic would hold,
a bunch of nofollow links would actually look like spam, not natural.
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StoneWilson

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Muhammad Mustafa

My 2 cents, no-follow do work to give your backlinks the needed variety to looks more natural in the eyes of SEs, imagine a 1k pages links to a specific page and all are do-follow! obvious spam! so, yes, they do work/do their job, variety!

Very special understanding, really inspired. Maybe this explains why some websites with only few backlinks stll rank very well.

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iresh

15 years ago

this proves that a link is a link

Yes Friend Totally agreed with you, it allways has been a Link is a Link , No matter DO or No Follow

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iAmNameLess

15 years ago

Originally Posted by askloz

I dont want to burst your bubble, but your site will drop in ranking soon...

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do-follow? What the heck is that? There's no such attribute.
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true, but its just a way to explain it in terms of a link that doesnt have a no-follow on the link.

Why, because you listen to what everyone else has said without trying your own thing?

Originally Posted by tcindia123

Google dont counts no follow links they are just for traffic.

Not true, the only thing google has said about nofollow links is that they don't pass rank... that is all... and even that is up for debate.

Originally Posted by askloz

omg... dont anyone pay attention that only no-follows WORK IN YAHOO!

heh... ok.

Originally Posted by askloz

yes for the most part...

but its also used to tell google NOT to give the link any credit (link juice)... and if there are links that are not related on your page to your content, then nofollow is used.

nofollow also helps to fix page rank bleeding too, so you put nofollows on contact pages, privacy policy, etc, etc.

I don't believe page rank really flows throughout a site like some think. The panda update I don't believe was just about low relevant content, I believe it took away the page rank bleeding over from the home page or whatever high pr pages there might have been. Which is why link magnets aren't as powerful.

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Every few months someone makes this claim and then runs away when asked to show even one example. Its like a ritual around here.

Me and you have gone back and forth about this I believe. Or is that a different Mike? One of my main sites is ranking pretty decent with hardly any dofollow links.

You can't possibly believe that links from wikipedia, twitter, and facebook are worthless in ranking? Those are all nofollow..

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Barcelona19

15 years ago

Will this issue ever be settled? Nobody knows, everybody thinks they know the real truth. Let me settle this once and for all. A link is a link. No follow links have no link juice, at the same time no follow links also increase web rankings somehow. There, now everybody's happy and nobody's happy. Life is full of contradictions.

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joesmith1608

15 years ago

No follow links have no link juice.And not have any point from google for your site.
You can get traffic by no- follow.

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cweber

15 years ago

I really believe too that the work (and have worked well for me too), in my opinion and probably to the search engines it helps to look less spammy. It helps to diversify too. It looks better to have some pr0-pr2 backlinks in addition to the pr4+...if you only have pr4+ backlinks that may look pretty spammy so some nofollow can't hurt either

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ScrapeBoss

15 years ago

Originally Posted by nest28

last time i checked yahoo site explorer i had only 354 backlinks and this was earlier today, now i just check them and its at 509 links and the web page that i had these links point to went from position 17 to position 7 on the front page of google, these links are from auto backlink bomb i'm guess a run i did with this software just got indexed.

there you have it no-follow links really do work, if i was to do a little article marketing i would probably be number 1 in a week, this proves that a link is a link

Nofollow links are also good. There are some times the search engines do not obey nofollow rules and go ahead to the other sites in those links. Search engines treat them as dofollow.

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GrowTallerNiche

15 years ago

Well, eventually Google should count no-follow links. A lot of the most organic links are no-followed like forum links. I guess you could consider no-follow links money in the bank for when Google finally finds a way to count forum links effectively, like counting different users from twitter and forums.

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abs007

15 years ago

hi nest - just found this post on google - Great tp hear the success - Are you sure the no follow links were from the AutoBacklinkBomb or were they from AutoCommentBomb?

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askloz

15 years ago

I dont want to burst your bubble, but your site will drop in ranking soon...

Originally Posted by nest28

last time i checked yahoo site explorer i had only 354 backlinks and this was earlier today, now i just check them and its at 509 links and the web page that i had these links point to went from position 17 to position 7 on the front page of google, these links are from auto backlink bomb i'm guess a run i did with this software just got indexed.

there you have it no-follow links really do work, if i was to do a little article marketing i would probably be number 1 in a week, this proves that a link is a link

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do-follow? What the heck is that? There's no such attribute.
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true, but its just a way to explain it in terms of a link that doesnt have a no-follow on the link.

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tcindia123

15 years ago

Google dont counts no follow links they are just for traffic.

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rhrayan

15 years ago

Nofollow work if mixed with dofollow links.

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askloz 15 years ago

omg... dont anyone pay attention that only no-follows WORK IN YAHOO!

Originally Posted by rhrayan

Nofollow work if mixed with dofollow links.
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faceblogger 15 years ago

Originally Posted by rhrayan

Nofollow work if mixed with dofollow links.

Oh really?
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kururunfa

15 years ago

If no-follow links improve SERPS in any of the major search engines then that's still a good thing, surely?

The question is, how much traffic to people get from Yahoo? For me, Bing is number one and Google is close behind, but Yahoo doesn't send much.

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FabianSmith

15 years ago

Well, thanks for the post, I think Google will never come along with such links, even if it lists and makes cache of pages with many no followed links, they will not have any positive impacts.

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Mike Anthony

15 years ago

Originally Posted by nest28

these links are from auto backlink bomb i'm guess a run i did with this software just got indexed.

Sounds to me like you are confused. the backlink bomb software deals with these platforms

MyBB
Expression Engine
PhpFox
Elgg
SMF
PhpBB

They are not all nofollow links on every site.

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IM Ash

15 years ago

No-follow does pass link juice and here is a case study that proves this fact...

SEO Experiment: Nofollow Links DO Pass Value & Rankings in Google | SocialSEO.com

But of course... all the critics will still find problems with this case study :rolleyes:

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dburk 15 years ago

Sigh...

Why can't all my competitors be just like the OP on this thread?
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- askloz 15 years ago
  
  whats that, ill informed about nofollow links? (no offense intended to OP)
  
  Originally Posted by dburk
  
  Sigh...
  
  Why can't all my competitors be just like the OP on this thread?
  
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Mike Anthony

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Eleva8

No-follow does pass link juice and here is a case study that proves this fact...

SEO Experiment: Nofollow Links DO Pass Value & Rankings in Google | SocialSEO.com

But of course... all the critics will still find problems with this case study :rolleyes:

yep we will. because that wasn't a case study. its just a bunch of anecdotal statements made by the author. Like I said in another thread. experiments without any data are near worthless. Without the url, keywords and serp rankings its not a scientific case study.

its no different than me saying yes we ran a test on one of our domains and there was no movement. What was the keywords? Not saying. What was the domain? not saying.

Could there be other factors that caused the ranking? No but we are not going to show enough to get that verified.

People don't understand what a case study is. In science a case study that says here's what we found but we are not giving you any data to see is not scientific. If you are doing an experiment just to show if no follow ranks then why hide the URl , domain and keywords even when they are brand new untargeted domains? nonsensical

At any rate you a dead wrong. In order to prove something you have to show the actual data that proves your point not hide it from everyone else. There was no proof shown and it doesn't qualify as case study for that very reason.

I have no love of my position and it would be great to find that they do work but over the years of these claims I have yet to see a real case study with real proof.

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rob1123

15 years ago

I think they do hold some weight, take for example this site: howtohypnotise .org/. It has no google back links and around 150 for yahoo, and its ranked 6th(?) for a 2,400 searches keyword.

Of course it could be a sniper site...

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holyfood

15 years ago

Originally Posted by nest28

last time i checked yahoo site explorer i had only 354 backlinks and this was earlier today, now i just check them and its at 509 links and the web page that i had these links point to went from position 17 to position 7 on the front page of google, these links are from auto backlink bomb i'm guess a run i did with this software just got indexed.

there you have it no-follow links really do work, if i was to do a little article marketing i would probably be number 1 in a week, this proves that a link is a link

no follow links are work but we can't post anything.

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15 years ago

Everyone's trying to rank in Google, yet they check yahoos site explorer. Sigh..

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jhnbrwn

15 years ago

For sure, no follow also works, though it don't facilitates users in a direct way, but search engines really notices what sorts of links are there ( nothing is hidden from the Big G for sure )

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powerspike

15 years ago

There are lots of "valid" places you can get a no follow like, mostly social media sites etc.

I have always had better results mixing no follow with "do follow' links then just using "do follow" links.

After playing around so much, i think (personal opinion inc!) that google may mark down the value of "do follow" links if it doesn't see any no follow links. If they see no follow links (which would be natural), they they leave the value of the as they are (or might even increase the value of the "do follow" links).

that's my personal experience so far, and it's working, but in the end - there's many ways to skin a cat (as the expression goes!)

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InitialEffort

15 years ago

I did a case study comparing no-follow and do-follow. I discovered that for Google Rankings (not Bing/Yahoo) that they did little or nothing. Now, no-follow links will help for getting stuff crawled, but IMO will not increase your SERPs. In one of my tests I build 100 PR3+ (actual page PR, not domain) to a website that had been holding it's position steadily for several months. I didn't want to test on a new domain because they bounce up and down a lot. The result of the links was a decrease of 2 in Google, so really no effect.

I know people will just battle on here about how great no-follow links are and how natural they are, but the really no-follow links are not natural. Why? because most links on the internet are do-follow or truth regular follow links. Therefore, having a profile full of no-follow links is probably more spammy than only have do-follow links.

I can also assure you that many people here will post that no-follow links worked well for them, but do yourself a favor and actually test it for yourself on an aged domain. This is an extremely important part of your link building strategy and IMO you don't want to waste extra effort building links that don't increase your ranking or pass anchor text.

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iAmNameLess

15 years ago

Originally Posted by InitialEffort

I did a case study comparing no-follow and do-follow. I discovered that for Google Rankings (not Bing/Yahoo) that they did little or nothing. Now, no-follow links will help for getting stuff crawled, but IMO will not increase your SERPs. In one of my tests I build 100 PR3+ (actual page PR, not domain) to a website that had been holding it's position steadily for several months. I didn't want to test on a new domain because they bounce up and down a lot. The result of the links was a decrease of 2 in Google, so really no effect.

I know people will just battle on here about how great no-follow links are and how natural they are, but the really no-follow links are not natural. Why? because most links on the internet are do-follow or truth regular follow links. Therefore, having a profile full of no-follow links is probably more spammy than only have do-follow links.

I can also assure you that many people here will post that no-follow links worked well for them, but do yourself a favor and actually test it for yourself on an aged domain. This is an extremely important part of your link building strategy and IMO you don't want to waste extra effort building links that don't increase your ranking or pass anchor text.

If you have really studied this... then you would realize the information you just provided is not nearly enough to analyze the situation. PR3+ links, care to show some of the pages? How many other outbound links were there after yours?

1,000 profiles links = 1,000 nofollow links = 1,000 newly created web 2.0 accounts = 1,000 newly submitted articles on EZA or other article directories.

If you have backlinks on wikipedia, twitter, facebook and other high authority websites, you would know the power of some nofollow backlinks.

Now you say it isn't natural to have nofollow backlinks... that is the biggest load of BS I have heard in a while. In fact, if you have a manual review on a site, and you have all dofollow backlinks, that is bad news for you since it is definitely NOT natural to have all dofollow backlinks.

Regardless, it would be stupid to only go for nofollow backlinks, or just dofollow backlinks. Variety is good... just like you shouldn't have all profile backlinks, or all blog comment backlinks... split it up.

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hyips

15 years ago

I agree with #2, yahoo don't care no-follow.
Also , alexa also don't mind no-follow.
And most of visitor is from Google in my experence. Do-folllow links in google is most important.

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elaineclark 15 years ago

ya no-follow link work only for your keyword not for your site.
that,s we are concerning on the the do follow links.
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Knowledge Kick

15 years ago

After reading as much as I can on this topic it seems to me that people should waste less time trying to decide if they want to get dofollow or nofollow links and just try to get as many links as possible. This will result in a nice mix of both and that seems the most "natural" to me!

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iAmNameLess

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Knowledge Kick

After reading as much as I can on this topic it seems to me that people should waste less time trying to decide if they want to get dofollow or nofollow links and just try to get as many links as possible. This will result in a nice mix of both and that seems the most "natural" to me!

And you're exactly right... if you can get a quality backlink, do it, whether it is no follow or not.

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krish21

15 years ago

Search engines doesn't give much value to No follow links.

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alina albert

15 years ago

There is very low chance of no follow link.It is helpful only in getting traffic.

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rosesmark

15 years ago

No Follow sometime its help you but Google not counted no follow link.Remember it

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samual james

15 years ago

According to google's blog no follow links will never helps you in getting ranking. No follow links only helps you in getting traffic.

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dburk 15 years ago

Originally Posted by samual james

According to google's blog no follow links will never helps you in getting ranking. No follow links only helps you in getting traffic.

Hi Samual,

Please allow me to disagree slightly with your assertion. While nofollow links will not be included in Google's link graph, you go too far asserting that "no follow links will never helps you in getting ranking." "No follow links only helps you in getting traffic."

True, there is no direct benefit, however there can be a very positive indirect benefit. If you create highly useful content you still have a problem of getting that content discovered by users of the Worldwide Web. As you said, nofollow links can be useful for generating traffic, which when combined with quality useful content will lead to natural backlinks, the kind that search engines value the most.

Useful content + human traffic = natural backlinks + higher SERP rankings
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jonnyhardbaked

15 years ago

Who said it is not working?! Yes definitely nofollow links are working.

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