90% Of this board has no idea what they are doing

Yeah thats pretty obvious once you have been reading for a week or so. A lot of people are new to SEO so there are lots of people with all ranges of experience, and everyone needs assistance.

I think it would help if we didnt get the spam just for their signatures though, they dilute the good advice on here!

How can you say these words about Warriorforum? It is a good platform for seo beginners.

Right.

Why don't you go to Batangas resort to spend your time, instead of posting such a crap ?

lol CRAP? the truth hurts

Theres alot of info here for new guys which is good everyone has to learn.there is quite a few pro's here as well

I don't mind newbies being on the forum at all, it's a great place for them to learn. However, there are a whole lot of posts with either bad information or people just posting an opinion of how they think something works with no real experience to know if it actually does.

There are so many one liners with people saying I think this or I think that and it doesn't really help anyone. When I was a newbie I rarely posted because I didn't have much to add to the threads, I was just reading and learning. When I did post it was usually a question so I could get an answer from someone that knew more than I did.

In a perfect world the people who don't know something would ask questions and the people that do know would post answers. Unfortunately we get a lot of posers in here who don't know anything but want everyone else to think they know what they're talikng about, or they're just trying to get their sig link in front of more people.

Why don't you focus on the other 10%?

I definitely think this subforum will be a LOT better if it was moderated. Theres simply too many spammers that add no value whatsoever to the community

I take it you were born knowing everything and skipped the whole newbie thing, maybe given your knowledge you could share your given natural talent with the forum rather than complain.

Everyone makes a mistakes..just give them a chance to learn too...newbies who learn through mistakes will make them stronger and understand more...

What are you trying to find out? What strategies are you trying to implement? Ask and you shall receive.

I agree with the OP on everything except the thing about it being a waste of time.

Please enlighten us on some of your strategies so we can discuss

Why not take the time to help newbies?

There are a lot of newbies in this forum, but there are also a lot who are experienced with SEO and getting traffic, ad placement, etc.

It's not actually "this board".

It's only usually in "this SEO discussion forum part of this board" that the blind are really leading the partially sighted.

Threads like this very recent one just "say it all", really.

The rest of forum is very, very different.

obvious troll is obvious

I think that there are some hidden gems or nuggets of great information around this particular forum community.

I think that it is worth browsing it occasionally just for that chance of discovering a new tip or resource.

But yes, there are some that have no clue or tend to misinform folks

You know you can sort the threads by rating, right? You'll find plenty of good information that way.

You do realize that part of the problems with this forum and others are people like you starting nonsense threads about how you don't like it here, right? This is what I would consider a newbie thread, with little purpose posted by someone that just wants attention.

The solution to not liking the forum is simple, if you don't like it, leave. It will be hard, but I think we will all make do without you here.

This is the place to go for newbies because they want help from experienced marketing people. So of course the majority is going to be new people asking questions and trying to learn.

Everyone was a newbie at one point. Maybe you should help them learn so there won't be so many.....

Like it or leave. You do have that option.
Everyone starts somewhere and everyone can learn from other people so if you don't like it, then don't let the door hit you on the way out.

It took 279 posts to realize that?

I'm curious. Weren't you a newbie at one time when you came onto this board? If so, then what's wrong with giving back to the community?

This purpose of this board isn't only to discuss strategies but also to help out beginners. If you want to start a discussion, make a thread and I'm sure the "10%" will come to discuss it with you.

When I first came in this forum at January 2011 I was asking

"how can I see my forum profile backlinks indexed by google"

And now at September 2011 I have 3 websites on google first page for 14 different keywords. And I am one man army. I have done this by myself.

How?

I learned by asking almost 400 questions here.

Steal you think all are newbies? You have nothing to learn from here?

100% of the seo forum knows a troll when they see one.

A lot of interesting threads about linkbuilding started here, but haven't seen anything really interesting in a long time.

And you do? Oh wise one?

I consider myself lower level entry level experienced webmaster
I am not a newbie, I dont ask basic SEO or basic backlinking questions, since I have hung out on backlinking forums for about a year,

its all relative to who you are talking to
In comparison to people who dont know basic SEO, or wordpress FTP, basic backlinking , anchor text stuff, I seem like I am a veteran (to them)

in comparison to people way up there in knowledge, they could poop all over my head with what they know and I dont

it all depends on who you are talking to

There are a lot BSrs on the forum also IMO
I got into an argument with the domainflipper adsense guy earlier this week when i pointed out on his forum that , even though he made (according to him) 10k in July, and 14k in August flipping Adsense Sites, I pointed out that according to his own figures, he has not made ANY money, since he started the project almost a year ago.

Why? Because he has made 800 sites, which according to him cost him 50 bucks each. 800 x 50 is 40,000 dollars COST

His revenues (according to him) add up to slightly more than 40,000 so far. So I pointed this out to him and asked him why he was acting like some Guru on his site and saying the project has grown so much and they were so pleased with the growth in revenue etc etc. .............He admitted that he has made no money so far and mumbled some excuses and said he has never denied it.

He may never have denied it if you point it out to him but he certainly was not saying that on his board, You had to dig deep into the comments and do the calculations yourself to discover this. I think the guy just enjoys the notoriety and all his "fans" and all the attention he gets. The actual numbers behind the curtain? oh dont pay attention to those. LOL

this is what I mean about a lot of BSrs on the board

YAWWWWNNNNN

I don't moderate in this forum but I do use it regularly. It has always had a lot of "noise" in here but I have always found it worth it for the occasional nugget of information.

Pearson

BTW newbies I was not trying to insult you in this thread. We all started knowing absolutely nothing, and this board is a good sounding board for the 10,000 questions that newbies have.
Just bear in mind there is a LOT to learn in this business. Its not something that the avg person can learn in a few weeks or even a few months. Just hang out ask questions, do not feel shy. If any newbie took offense to my comments or the title of this thread, pls accept my apologies

90%???

Prob closer to 99%, but then you can take any large group of people from any industry and there will generally only be a few people at the top of the game.

There is nothing wrong with being a newbie - what is depressing about this forum (and most other SEO forums, tbh) is the amount of misinformation that is served up by people (who are I guess newbies most of the time) just regurgitating "facts" they have heard on forums, round and round and round. Not only that, but that constant asking of the SAME questions that could be researched simply by searching the forum or the web:

Why has my site disappeared from the SERPS?
Should I choose a .info if the .com is not available?
Should I put hyphens in the domain name?
Has my site been sandboxed?
Are .edu backlinks better?

Honestly, at any one time, half the posts on the forum seem to be in this vein. It's just basic forum etiquette, not posting the same questions over and over - nothing to do with newbies per se, but infuriating for regulars.

Then there are the trolls:

What is SEO?
What is Pagerank?
10 tips for improving rankings (copy-pasted from some article).

Yet it's amazing how many of these posts get responses and discussion, usually tons more one-liners and pearls of dubious wisdom once again regurgitated from forums. Instead of simply being reported and deleted by the mods.

There are some great discussions, and people who really know what they are talking about - but you have to really look for them unfortunately. I am no snobby SEO guru, far from it, but I definitely get frustrated with the signal-to-noise ratio in this forum and stay away mostly, these days...

I would add also for the newbies, and this is something I have just learned from experience

do not rely on this board, putting up a quesiton and then having it answered, to teach you things
yes the answers on boards like this are helpful

but
IMO long term, it will teach you much more if you just go to google and type the question into google , you will find page after page that are extremely helpful, detailed pages with maps and flow charts and tutorials and videos

dont forget to use this method also, I use this method most of the time I have questions
You will also discover this way a lot of things you do not hear on the boards. I just discovered this yesterday by using the Google method, a secret strategy, well not secret, just one that you dont often hear discussed on boards.

Just read as much as you can, and then start making sites.

The worst part is the blatant oversells to the newbies who don't know better.

A lot of folks are new to IM, and sadly many that have got a clue what to do, simply lurk or move on to newer waters

It is waste of time to read your thread also. You say the truth, but if 90% of this board know what they are doing, this SEO system is more competition.

The worst part is the blatant oversells to the newbies who don't know better.

I hope you are not from the Philippines coz I am. Maybe you're right that most of us here are newbies but hey that's what this forum is for.

Okay, you have your point there. It's time for you to share some valuable thoughts.

I've spent about two months in this forum now. To be honest it seems to be poorly moderated and there are a lot of "i agree" or "me too" posts which are simply frustrating to trawl through when you are subscribed to what was originally a thread with good potential for knowledge sharing.
There is also lot of people who quote an entire thread when adding a "you're right" response which is also quite annoying.

However, there is a strong backbone of members within here who speak from experience and don't speak in definitives (which is refreshing because no-one really can when it comes to SEO)! These are the people who I enjoy reading contributions from.

Everyone has to start from somewhere and I really don't mind if someone comes in with a basic question assuming they have first done a bit of research around the subject/question. It's good to help out and increase the overall knowledge of people on this board so I don't like to see the OP coming out and slagging off "90% of this board". Specifically when he himself comes out with such a disappointing contribution such as the domain related thread he opened: http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...ins-worth.html

Speaking as an authority when there are no grounds to is a contribution worse than spam in a forum and the OP should take a close look at themselves and their actions before slagging off others who come to discuss and learn.

I think, and I could be disparaged for saying so but whatever, there comes a time when your reading interests might fall outside of the WF for low level seo/marketing conversations. Obviously i'm not talking about the 50k foot "what is pagerank???" discussions, but instead more along the lines of "Given a multi tiered linkwheel setup, if I pass enough link juice to my money site via these 2 tools, is it unecessary for me to focus on any deep level link building via xyz?" or "index versus crawl rate..you decide the importance" or maybe "active marketing techniques found via outside the box..what works for you?".

I'm not saying these discussions don't exist here, but there are other forums outside of the WF that cater to more experienced marketers and webmasters. That's all I'm saying.

I can't agree with you. You can learn a lot here.

Yes, it's true there are a lot of newbies, spammers and trolls, but you can even learn something from them - what you shouldn't do.

This forum is great place for learning new things from different people.