90% Of this board has no idea what they are doing

[outwest]

I came to this board to discuss strategies etc but seems most of the people are newbies, kind of a waste of time

[ninaE]

Yeah thats pretty obvious once you have been reading for a week or so. A lot of people are new to SEO so there are lots of people with all ranges of experience, and everyone needs assistance.

I think it would help if we didnt get the spam just for their signatures though, they dilute the good advice on here!

[webs4softs]

How can you say these words about Warriorforum? It is a good platform for seo beginners.

[cagliostro]

Originally Posted by outwest

I came to this board to discuss strategies etc but seems most of the people are newbies, kind of a waste of time

Right.

Why don't you go to Batangas resort to spend your time, instead of posting such a crap ?

[outwest]

lol CRAP? the truth hurts

[trustumar]

yes there are trolls here but I visit only warriorforum to learn seo and marketing.

no other IM forum is so popular as warriorforum.

[Ga RedNeck]

Theres alot of info here for new guys which is good everyone has to learn.there is quite a few pro's here as well

[adamv]

I don't mind newbies being on the forum at all, it's a great place for them to learn. However, there are a whole lot of posts with either bad information or people just posting an opinion of how they think something works with no real experience to know if it actually does.

There are so many one liners with people saying I think this or I think that and it doesn't really help anyone. When I was a newbie I rarely posted because I didn't have much to add to the threads, I was just reading and learning. When I did post it was usually a question so I could get an answer from someone that knew more than I did.

In a perfect world the people who don't know something would ask questions and the people that do know would post answers. Unfortunately we get a lot of posers in here who don't know anything but want everyone else to think they know what they're talikng about, or they're just trying to get their sig link in front of more people.

[WealthWithin]

Originally Posted by outwest

I came to this board to discuss strategies etc but seems most of the people are newbies, kind of a waste of time

Why don't you focus on the other 10%?

[ExploringInfinity]

Originally Posted by WealthWithin

Why don't you focus on the other 10%?

Or go to a different forum? There are plenty of good places to learn.

The Warrior Forum does have the majority of noobs though. A lot of bad info like what AdamV said..

Meh. Ya live and learn.

[ichl13]

I definitely think this subforum will be a LOT better if it was moderated. Theres simply too many spammers that add no value whatsoever to the community

[tryinhere]

Originally Posted by outwest

I came to this board to discuss strategies etc but seems most of the people are newbies, kind of a waste of time

I take it you were born knowing everything and skipped the whole newbie thing, maybe given your knowledge you could share your given natural talent with the forum rather than complain.

[owenlee]

Originally Posted by outwest

I came to this board to discuss strategies etc but seems most of the people are newbies, kind of a waste of time

Everyone makes a mistakes..just give them a chance to learn too...newbies who learn through mistakes will make them stronger and understand more...

[commoditytrainer]

Originally Posted by outwest

I came to this board to discuss strategies etc but seems most of the people are newbies, kind of a waste of time

What are you trying to find out? What strategies are you trying to implement? Ask and you shall receive.

[dp40oz]

I agree with the OP on everything except the thing about it being a waste of time.

[mmsearch]

Please enlighten us on some of your strategies so we can discuss

[payment proof]

Originally Posted by outwest

I came to this board to discuss strategies etc but seems most of the people are newbies, kind of a waste of time

Why not take the time to help newbies?

There are a lot of newbies in this forum, but there are also a lot who are experienced with SEO and getting traffic, ad placement, etc.

[Alexa Smith]

Originally Posted by outwest

90% Of this board has no idea what they are doing

It's not actually "this board".

It's only usually in "this SEO discussion forum part of this board" that the blind are really leading the partially sighted.

Threads like this very recent one just "say it all", really.

The rest of forum is very, very different.

[Becker13]

Originally Posted by outwest

I came to this board to discuss strategies etc but seems most of the people are newbies, kind of a waste of time

obvious troll is obvious

[jason409]

I think that there are some hidden gems or nuggets of great information around this particular forum community.

I think that it is worth browsing it occasionally just for that chance of discovering a new tip or resource.

But yes, there are some that have no clue or tend to misinform folks

[JSProjects]

Originally Posted by outwest

I came to this board to discuss strategies etc but seems most of the people are newbies, kind of a waste of time

You know you can sort the threads by rating, right? You'll find plenty of good information that way.

[patrich]

Originally Posted by outwest

I came to this board to discuss strategies etc but seems most of the people are newbies, kind of a waste of time

You do realize that part of the problems with this forum and others are people like you starting nonsense threads about how you don't like it here, right? This is what I would consider a newbie thread, with little purpose posted by someone that just wants attention.

The solution to not liking the forum is simple, if you don't like it, leave. It will be hard, but I think we will all make do without you here.

[brianboyer]

Originally Posted by outwest

I came to this board to discuss strategies etc but seems most of the people are newbies, kind of a waste of time

This is the place to go for newbies because they want help from experienced marketing people. So of course the majority is going to be new people asking questions and trying to learn.

Everyone was a newbie at one point. Maybe you should help them learn so there won't be so many.....

[laurencewins]

Originally Posted by outwest
I came to this board to discuss strategies etc but seems most of the people are newbies, kind of a waste of time

Like it or leave. You do have that option.
Everyone starts somewhere and everyone can learn from other people so if you don't like it, then don't let the door hit you on the way out.

[webladder]

Originally Posted by outwest

I came to this board to discuss strategies etc but seems most of the people are newbies, kind of a waste of time

It took 279 posts to realize that?

[Kay King]

90% Of this board has no idea what they are doing

and 10% of the 90% think they know it all?

What others earn and their site stats is private info to many of us and not just posted because someone is curious.

This isn't a help desk for software you buy elsewhere and can't figure out.

When an experienced person answers your questions - and you argue with him - he won't bother to answer again. There's no point in "debating" FACTS.

If nothing is going as you want it to - maybe it's because you are going in the wrong direction.

kay

[ttkim]

Originally Posted by outwest

I came to this board to discuss strategies etc but seems most of the people are newbies, kind of a waste of time

I'm curious. Weren't you a newbie at one time when you came onto this board? If so, then what's wrong with giving back to the community?

This purpose of this board isn't only to discuss strategies but also to help out beginners. If you want to start a discussion, make a thread and I'm sure the "10%" will come to discuss it with you.

[rafiseo]

When I first came in this forum at January 2011 I was asking

"how can I see my forum profile backlinks indexed by google"

And now at September 2011 I have 3 websites on google first page for 14 different keywords. And I am one man army. I have done this by myself.

How?

I learned by asking almost 400 questions here.

Steal you think all are newbies? You have nothing to learn from here?

[TheFBGuy]

Hahahaha, this is too funny... says the guy who's done nothing but mislead people in threads such as this one: Are info and co Domains worth it?

Originally Posted by outwest

I would not buy a .info if the com net org are taken

.infos do not get the same respect by google

much better to get mykeywordtips.com

or something like that
I always take my kw and add something in front or after and buy a .com for it
makes me feel much more secure

then again I have seen even very odd EMDs ranking top 5 lately
like
mykeyword.dx
or some other strange extension i never heard of

[yukon]

100% of the seo forum knows a troll when they see one.

[yukon]

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

It's not actually "this board".

It's only usually in "this SEO discussion forum part of this board" that the blind are really leading the partially sighted.

Threads like this very recent one just "say it all", really.

The rest of forum is very, very different.

That's only your IM opinion & has nothing to do with the SEO forum.

Granted this forum gets hit from people that have bought WSOs teaching them how to get their backlinks indexed ASAP (thanks BTW to those sellers for promoting spam ). Notice how OP spammed his Sig.

You are very correct about the other forums are very, very different, that is so true!

The other forums are selling IM info., here at the seo forum most guys will help each other without asking for their Paypal account.

Don't confuse SEO with IM, it's not the same thing.

[JackPowers]

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

It's not actually "this board".

It's only usually in "this SEO discussion forum part of this board" that the blind are really leading the partially sighted.

Threads like this very recent one just "say it all", really.

The rest of forum is very, very different.

Not really. The main forum is still in 2011 full of people thinking the only way to make money is too sell Clickbank products through email.

The Warrior Forum in general seems to be mostly a place to make money off gullible newbies.

[JackPowers]

A lot of interesting threads about linkbuilding started here, but haven't seen anything really interesting in a long time.

[36burrows]

Originally Posted by outwest

I came to this board to discuss strategies etc but seems most of the people are newbies, kind of a waste of time

And you do? Oh wise one?

[outwest]

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

It's not actually "this board".

It's only usually in "this SEO discussion forum part of this board" that the blind are really leading the partially sighted.

Threads like this very recent one just "say it all", really.

The rest of forum is very, very different.

you are one of the smart asses I was referring to. If you know so much , why are you here in basically a newbie forum? trying to play mr big shot? or you just feel charitable helping out those less fortunate?

My point on this whole thread was that I thought WF was basically populated by people who know what they are doing.

Many of you admit that , yes it is not, and most people here are newbies.

So if thats the truth, thats the truth.
Dont get all defensive about it. I am not saying newbies are worthless or stupid, just that I thought this forum had a higher percentage of people who know their stuff.

Most of these forums people dont tell you much anyway. They just dont
You learn more using google to search stuff .
And then The war room is worth it


Yes you can learn things from this forum, however with the high percentage of people who dont know what they are doing, its kind of a mine field. I admit I am not in the upper echelon of webmasters, far from it

But when seeking advice, you kind of want to know that the people giving answers know what they are talking about

In this forum this is not the case

[outwest]

I consider myself lower level entry level experienced webmaster
I am not a newbie, I dont ask basic SEO or basic backlinking questions, since I have hung out on backlinking forums for about a year,

its all relative to who you are talking to
In comparison to people who dont know basic SEO, or wordpress FTP, basic backlinking , anchor text stuff, I seem like I am a veteran (to them)

in comparison to people way up there in knowledge, they could poop all over my head with what they know and I dont

it all depends on who you are talking to

There are a lot BSrs on the forum also IMO
I got into an argument with the domainflipper adsense guy earlier this week when i pointed out on his forum that , even though he made (according to him) 10k in July, and 14k in August flipping Adsense Sites, I pointed out that according to his own figures, he has not made ANY money, since he started the project almost a year ago.

Why? Because he has made 800 sites, which according to him cost him 50 bucks each. 800 x 50 is 40,000 dollars COST

His revenues (according to him) add up to slightly more than 40,000 so far. So I pointed this out to him and asked him why he was acting like some Guru on his site and saying the project has grown so much and they were so pleased with the growth in revenue etc etc. .............He admitted that he has made no money so far and mumbled some excuses and said he has never denied it.

He may never have denied it if you point it out to him but he certainly was not saying that on his board, You had to dig deep into the comments and do the calculations yourself to discover this. I think the guy just enjoys the notoriety and all his "fans" and all the attention he gets. The actual numbers behind the curtain? oh dont pay attention to those. LOL

this is what I mean about a lot of BSrs on the board

[brianboyer]

YAWWWWNNNNN

[Kael41]

Originally Posted by outwest

I consider myself lower level entry level experienced webmaster
I am not a newbie, I dont ask basic SEO or basic backlinking questions, since I have hung out on backlinking forums for about a year,

its all relative to who you are talking to
In comparison to people who dont know basic SEO, or wordpress FTP, basic backlinking , anchor text stuff, I seem like I am a veteran (to them)

in comparison to people way up there in knowledge, they could poop all over my head with what they know and I dont

it all depends on who you are talking to

There are a lot BSrs on the forum also IMO

Snip..I get what you're saying..I don't disagree at all with what you're saying. In terms of scope, this board covers so many different facets of the online business world. Frankly I pop in and out to see what developers are releasing to the masses and whether there's any good software coming out that could prove useful.

Your filter needs to be more refined. I can spot hype text without substance a mile a way now..but then again I was selling stuff online back in the 90's. Yes. The 90's. But I digress...

Learn to build out your personal social filters and see what nuggets of info you can glean. Here's a protip: If you spot a bs'er with a great WSO, don't study the product..study the sell.

[pearsonbrown]

I don't moderate in this forum but I do use it regularly. It has always had a lot of "noise" in here but I have always found it worth it for the occasional nugget of information.

Pearson

[outwest]

BTW newbies I was not trying to insult you in this thread. We all started knowing absolutely nothing, and this board is a good sounding board for the 10,000 questions that newbies have.
Just bear in mind there is a LOT to learn in this business. Its not something that the avg person can learn in a few weeks or even a few months. Just hang out ask questions, do not feel shy. If any newbie took offense to my comments or the title of this thread, pls accept my apologies

[TheFBGuy]

Originally Posted by JackPowers

Not really. The main forum is still in 2011 full of people thinking the only way to make money is too sell Clickbank products through email.

The Warrior Forum in general seems to be mostly a place to make money off gullible newbies.

Or those experienced marketers who simply came here to build an email list, lol... sorry Alexa, what this man says is correct.

[brhamo]

90%???

Prob closer to 99%, but then you can take any large group of people from any industry and there will generally only be a few people at the top of the game.

[markowe]

There is nothing wrong with being a newbie - what is depressing about this forum (and most other SEO forums, tbh) is the amount of misinformation that is served up by people (who are I guess newbies most of the time) just regurgitating "facts" they have heard on forums, round and round and round. Not only that, but that constant asking of the SAME questions that could be researched simply by searching the forum or the web:

Why has my site disappeared from the SERPS?
Should I choose a .info if the .com is not available?
Should I put hyphens in the domain name?
Has my site been sandboxed?
Are .edu backlinks better?

Honestly, at any one time, half the posts on the forum seem to be in this vein. It's just basic forum etiquette, not posting the same questions over and over - nothing to do with newbies per se, but infuriating for regulars.

Then there are the trolls:

What is SEO?
What is Pagerank?
10 tips for improving rankings (copy-pasted from some article).

Yet it's amazing how many of these posts get responses and discussion, usually tons more one-liners and pearls of dubious wisdom once again regurgitated from forums. Instead of simply being reported and deleted by the mods.

There are some great discussions, and people who really know what they are talking about - but you have to really look for them unfortunately. I am no snobby SEO guru, far from it, but I definitely get frustrated with the signal-to-noise ratio in this forum and stay away mostly, these days...

[outwest]

I would add also for the newbies, and this is something I have just learned from experience

do not rely on this board, putting up a quesiton and then having it answered, to teach you things
yes the answers on boards like this are helpful

but
IMO long term, it will teach you much more if you just go to google and type the question into google , you will find page after page that are extremely helpful, detailed pages with maps and flow charts and tutorials and videos

dont forget to use this method also, I use this method most of the time I have questions
You will also discover this way a lot of things you do not hear on the boards. I just discovered this yesterday by using the Google method, a secret strategy, well not secret, just one that you dont often hear discussed on boards.

Just read as much as you can, and then start making sites.

[JimmyR]

The worst part is the blatant oversells to the newbies who don't know better.

[dagaul101]

A lot of folks are new to IM, and sadly many that have got a clue what to do, simply lurk or move on to newer waters

[paulgl]

LOL! Alexa Smith was right on the money...
The OP is outwest?

Well, funny how in the thread Alexa points out, someone quoted this
gem from the OP:

Originally Posted by outwest

I would not buy a .info if the com net org are taken

.infos do not get the same respect by google

And he calls the forum junk? Well no wonder with answers like that crap!

Here was my response to him, obviously ignored by him:

Originally Posted by paulgl

Complete BS. I assume you don't get any respect from google.
Maybe that's the problem.

Do a search for a google product, no less, like pagerank, or
pagerank checker, or similar. A dot info rules the niche. But then, why
would you know that?

Do a search for, say new york subway, or ny subway schedule,
or anything like new york subways. A dot info also rules.

Those sites never got your memo.

Just because you never see it happen, does not make it
never happen.

So we have the OP ranting about BS, but goes around posting
BS? That it is rich!

Paul

[frank07]

It is waste of time to read your thread also. You say the truth, but if 90% of this board know what they are doing, this SEO system is more competition.

[larkykid]

The thing is, there's more than 350,000 registered members who can post. So according to your figures, that's still a good 35,000 who know what they're doing. I'm sure that's more than plenty to have a good conversation with.

[adamv]

Originally Posted by larkykid

The thing is, there's more than 350,000 registered members who can post. So according to your figures, that's still a good 35,000 who know what they're doing. I'm sure that's more than plenty to have a good conversation with.

I agree, there are plenty of people in this forum that not only know what they're talking about but are also happy to share their knowledge when someone asks a question.

It's too bad though that there are so many people that are quick to share advice when they don't really know what they're talking about. When I was a newbie on this forum I eventually realized that there are some well respected members here that really know their stuff and those people were (and still are) the ones that I trust the most and I give a lot more weight to the things they say than the person who has yet to prove themselves.

For any newbies on the forum, try to figure out who the respected, knowledgable people on this forum are and try to learn from them. Take any other advice with a grain of salt unless it is accompanied by case studies and hard evidence.