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Old 08-05-2010, 02:17 PM   #1
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UPDATE (Aug. 20): In an attempt to shed more light on the concerns about this product, I have contacted around 8 well-known people (big/medium gurus) who promoted this - 6 people replied so far.

If one had hoped to receive well-thought out reasons for promoting this product, one would be very disappointed. So far the replies can be summarized like this:

- It looked like a good introduction to mobile marketing

- We have a good relation with the author

- I am deeply sorry for promoting this product! (1 person only)

- The warrior forum is negative!

The responses are generally generic and with no real attempt to address the valid concerns that I and many other people have raised. No substance has been brought to the table in defense of this product. One person did offer to retract the endorsement, and apologize to his list for sending this out, but did not come through on it. Another has promised to look further into the matter and get back to me.

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I actually spent a few hours on this review, so I hope it is ok that I post a new thread about it.

I apologize for the poor grammar/writing - I wrote it very fast.

As I stated in the other thread, I am only reviewing this product because a friend of mine bought two of this guy’s previous products. I paid for this one myself, and I will be refunding it out of sheer principle. I would have refunded the two others as well if I had paid for them.

There are 11 modules and some extra videos in the members’ area.

Module 1 – A lot of mobile stats and data in this one, most of which should not be surprising to most people who regularly follow industry news.

Module 2 - In this module he seems to go on and on about sending traffic to mobile optimized squeeze pages. What if 30 people converts, then I just made $150”, “this can really start to add up”, "Alright so I send them a Clickbank offer, and boom" – that last one is just classic, timeless relationship building advice! (I hope you can detect the irony). He goes on with "I get a huge list that I can market to forever", "CPA stands for.." and so on..

He keeps talking about his conversion rate, and various numbers, and how much money you can potentially make, and yet fails to explain how to accomplish it - is it by any chance because sending traffic straight to affiliate links is THE most fragile business model in existence? The rest of video 2 contains more pipe dreams and "think of the possibilities" moments, again without any tangible, actionable direction.

Module 3 – Here he explains how the interfaces of the ad platforms work again peppered with regular "just think of the possibilities" moments (sorry if I repeat myself, but monkey see, monkey do, or whatever the appropriate saying is in this context.. I am speed writing here! – this is very basic stuff.

Module 4 - More from the same drawer - and then the big secret is revealed. I don’t even own a cell phone, and even I know that a mobile browser is different from a standard browser. At this point the "just think about how much money you can make" filler is getting more than unbearable.

Module 5 -- "Clickbank is amazing, you can make a lot of money with it" that is not an exact quote, but close. He spends a long time explaining the basics, and includes regular mentions of "big money". He also talks about his squeeze page software - which comes at additional cost (67/month) - but he never provides any tangible proof that the squeeze pages presenting the mobile offers are the true source of his income, or that they have any sort of real effect.

Module 6– In this one he shows how to get affiliate links from Amazon in order to sell physical products as an affiliate - the most creative part about this module is the title: "let’s get physical". I noted that his account shows no sales activity. This is generally another uninteresting video that covers very basic stuff.

Module 7 – In this module he explains how to get pay per call offers. Pay per call is really just another way of tracking an affiliate sale, but through a phone number instead of an affiliate URL. Again, the information provided is very basic "how to find an offer" interspersed with even more "easy, easy money" comments, but no real guidance or insight is offered.

Module 8 - In this one, the "just think about the possibilities" moment deals with mobile marketing for local businesses. Sure, you could go out and manage mobile campaigns for local businesses - they may not be tech savvy, but you can be sure they want to know exactly what they get from their advertising dollars. And what do they get? Is there even enough volume to support very specific local offers through mobile advertising? He just mentions this as an idea, one of many, that is not supported by anything tangible in the form of how to do it, or what results he has accomplished (I know what my guess is).

I did see the remaining videos, but found no reason to mention anything further about them.

Oh, except the Iphone app module. That was the first video that actually made me laugh out loud. Again, completely in line with the rest of the product – he talks about possibilities and potential, and how a lot of people make a killing with apps - but again - with no with real direction.

I will just let these links speak for themselves:

So, You Want To Develop iPhone Apps, Eh? You REALLY Want To Read This! Dvorak Uncensored: General interest observations and true web-log.

Is The Rush To Develop iPhone Apps Creating A Bubble? | mocoNews

And a quote from one of the articles:

Supercollider Blog reports on several levels of paid app downloads, the relevant number is that half of all paid iPhone apps get less than 1,000 downloads. The median point is under 1,000. Lets call it 999. That number times $1.95 per paid app gives the ‘most typical app’ the total revenues in its lifetime – the full two years of App Store existence – of $1,948 dollars. This is before Apple takes its cut of 30%, so we are left with $1,363 over two years or $682 per year. This is so ‘successful’ that half of all of the developers of the 164,250 apps – will actually earn LESS THAN THIS. Before you start to cry, remember, there is that Angry Bird game that had 4 million paid downloads and the Bewelled 2 game with 3 million paid downloads. Thats your math there, they are totally skewing the averages, and you are stuck in the ‘long tail’ indeed. Half of all developers will earn less than $682 per year. Do you still think this is a good business idea?

The overall verdict

There is a lot of filler and basic stuff where he spends time on the usual suspects; Clickbank, what is CPA offers, and so on. “Clickbank pays high commissions" and "Amazon pays lower commission".

Most of the content has been regurgitated in 100s if not 1000s of products since. The few things he mentions that some people may not have heard of (such as pay per call) are covered in an extremely superficial way.

He almost never (if at all) mention aspects of real online marketing (relationship building, improving conversion rates, pre-selling) - stuff that is vital - but maybe that is because that sort of thing requires real EFFORT which would be more than 99% of his intended audience bargained for (judging by the sales letter). To fill out the holes it is apparently much easier to just have tons of "how to sign up for Clickbank" videos - yes, I think that is actually a title of one of the videos.

In regards to getting low CPCs - you can not by any standard compare the CPC of display ads and search ads. Getting a positive ROI is by no means guaranteed just because you get clicks at just a few cents. As an example, it is relatively easy to get clicks from Google (Adsense), and a number of other platforms from 3-10 cents (I have nothing for sale here or anywhere else), in some markets higher. I have done that several times. The key however, is conversion, as most of us know. And on top of that, it seems that most people are paying much more than the few cents he talks about.

He does not go in and show concrete tangible examples of winning campaigns - sure he has "proven" campaigns. But anyone who knows anything knows that any CPA network or affiliate network will throw their best performing campaigns at you like they were dead rodents (I realize that was a pathetic analogy . No solid proof that he makes money from the mobile offers is ever presented - why does only Clickbank and Paypal earnings show on the sales page? He is particularly generous in showing his Clickbank earnings in the sales videos. But he does not navigate to the pages in his various accounts that show proof of earnings in the videos inside the members’ area. For someone who likes to talk so much about how much money he makes WHY does he not show any real tangible results achieved promoting these offers? And why do all screenshots/videos that involve his campaigns show all campaigns on pause?

As someone else have already hinted - which is completely on par with my own sentiments - is the fact that you get a very distinct feeling that the author is not actually applying most of these things, he just explains the "potential" and how this is "easy money", and adds in various random potential earning scenarios, conversion rates and so on. A critical voice might infer that the results shown on the sales page could very well come from sales of his previous "make money online" offers in Clickbank (which also supports Paypal), and not from real b2c affiliate marketing offers on mobile phones. The author has so far been unresponsive in terms of submitting the proof I emailed him for.

In reality, it is not as easy as he makes it out – as also already pointed out earlier in the thread by someone who is doing it – and several other posters who have posted results from their campaigns. And those who make the wildest claims, including the author, does not seem to want to or be able to provide irrefutable evidence of their alleged quick, easy, and significant earnings.

Now - I could probably write another 5-10 pages about this product easily. But the time I have already spent is more than enough time wasted. I think is a shame that this type of product can “break through” in these circles. Of course, people can get a refund - but they can not get their time back, and the money invested in campaigns that don’t produce results.

And if this is by any means the industry standard, a lot of people will end up in a cycle where they jump from one quick fix to another because the product is carefully constructed to give the illusion that it does really work with no effort required..."but just not for me". And so, the story repeats itself with no one the wiser because "quick fix" authors refuse or lack the skills to educate people on the true principles of Internet marketing.
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In reality, it is not as easy as he makes it out – as also already pointed out earlier in the thread by someone who is doing it – and several other posters who have posted results from their campaigns. And those who make the wildest claims, including the author, does not seem to want to or be able to provide irrefutable evidence of their alleged quick, easy, and significant earnings.
No it is not easy Martin - I think you might be referring to my comments in the other thread e.g. just in the past 12 hours I have set-up another campaign to double check I have it right before I show the complete details so everyone do it - so yes it takes forever to get it right - but the good news is I can click a button to clone my set-up into your account.

Martin impressive review, very good, thank you. I have had so many emails etc on my mobile marketing I have not had time to even go over most of Adam's videos. The ones I have seen so far have not been that impressive. Love to hear from other people on Adam's set up and if it is working for them. Personally I would forget building a list.

thanks again Martin

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Thanks for your very thorough review. I really appreciate your honesty and how you disclose the true facts surrounding this product.

Now, has anyone on here found a training course that really helps Internet marketers to develop profitable mobile marketing campaigns? It seems like mobile marketing might have a lot of potential, and it's very intriguing to me.
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Personally I would forget building a list.
Uh... did you actually just say that? Seems to me a list is pretty well the only way you're going to put this to work for you...
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Martin,

Thanks so much for the very comprehensive review. It is definitely helpful.

In my experience, pretty much all forms of traffic arbitrage require substantial effort and testing. After all, if the process didn't take work or at least a special skill set of some sort, then why would they need us as affiliates in the middle?

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Martin,

Great review, especially writing real fast. I appreciate your candid honesty.
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Uh... did you actually just say that? Seems to me a list is pretty well the only way you're going to put this to work for you...
That is very true since, especially since it appears that generating a profit on the front end is not at all very easy, despite the relatively low cost of clicks.

But here is the problem - and this is is one thing I can't believe I forgot to put in the review. Ordinary web pages are proven to work for lead generation through landing/squeeze pages. They have the ability to convey a message that is likely to generate a sign-up. The landing page examples I saw in the course (I think it was those generated by the software) seemed very primitive, and it does look doubtful that they are going to work as intended. Obviously that means that your cost per lead ist most likely to be through the roof.

Now, I am not saying it is impossible to generate leads via a mobile phone. In fact, it is very likely that some companies are already doing it with some level of success (this is not something I have investigated). But so far there is nothing that demonstrates that it can be achieved by applying the methodology outlined in this course in a cost-effective manner.

That leaves people - for now - with direct linking. A business model that I personally do not want to engage in. I have NOTHING against it. Usually there is just too much trial, error, and time wasted. Even if you do become successful, you are operating a business where the only real competitive advantage you have over the next guy is the ad text that leads to the offer. That's a business that is easy to duplicate (=saturate), and regulations can shut you down in an instant (ie Google's restrictions on affiliate links to the same landing page introduced a number of years back)

And thanks to everyone for your comments btw
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That is very true since, especially since it appears that generating a profit on the front end is not at all very easy, despite the relatively low cost of clicks.
I am getting success only from direct cpa offers via pushing banners on wap, not iphones at all. There is a way to do the market research. i am not sure i want to even go back to trying to build a list with the way Adam is showing people.

saying that my most successful campaign is slow now cause there are 4 mobile advertiser running it with the same banner.

To fix the cost issue today I have managed to do a deal with a bigger provider then admob, and getting direct help to make campaigns work and I can clone my set-ups to anyones account at the click of a button.

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...my most successful campaign is slow now cause there are 4 mobile advertiser running it with the same banner.
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Maybe I'm missing something obvious but...

How can you tell there are 4 advertisers running the same offer with the same banner?
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Maybe I'm missing something obvious but...

How can you tell there are 4 advertisers running the same offer with the same banner?
hey pete, I know this because I am now dealing direct with one of the account managers at a mobile advertiser, as they are helping me make the campaigns profitable they give me a little more insight I think ... I will be sharing this with the list over time.

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Another thank you added.

This is what I expect to find in the review section. An actual post from someone who has gone through the product...

Too many times we see - this looks great, but never get the actual follow up post to say whether it is or isn't!

Great post Martin

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Great review Martin
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Another thank you for a great review and post. I was considering getting this product, but a previous product of his got similar reviews, so I was skeptical.
Thanks for saving me some money and time wasted!

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I am getting success only from direct cpa offers via pushing banners on wap, not iphones at all. There is a way to do the market research. i am not sure i want to even go back to trying to build a list with the way Adam is showing people.
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Interesting info Danny, thanks for sharing. My first concern was that MM was making a big issue out of the 5.8 billion handsets but omitting the fact that smartphones only account for 51 million units, a much smaller sector and my blind belief was that it was the smartphone platform where you had any hope of getting click throughs. Nice to know this isn't the case!

As an app developer with apps on the app store I have bought the course (and will go through it tonight) to see if it throws up anything of interest.

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Well yes... more people start using the same traffic source to run the SAME campaign, so profits dwindle and you have to chase yet another source of traffic. Market research or cloning setups as you call it won't stop that, or prevent some, if not most, campaigns from failing for most people. I'm not holier than anyone else, I have tried direct linking a number of times in the past, but the more I educate myself on (real) marketing, the more possibilities arise that are far more interesting to pursue. Thanks for the offer, although I prefer if we do not discuss that further in this thread to keep things on topic.

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I am getting success only from direct cpa offers via pushing banners on wap, not iphones at all. There is a way to do the market research. i am not sure i want to even go back to trying to build a list with the way Adam is showing people.

saying that my most successful campaign is slow now cause there are 4 mobile advertiser running it with the same banner.

To fix the cost issue today I have managed to do a deal with a bigger provider then admob, and getting direct help to make campaigns work and I can clone my set-ups to anyones account at the click of a button.

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Great review Martin.....thanks for saving me hard cash and more importantly unrecoverable wasted time!!!

A great example of the selfish service that makes the WF such a great place.
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Great review Martin.....thanks for saving me hard cash and more importantly unrecoverable wasted time!!!

A great example of the selfish service that makes the WF such a great place.
Hehe yes -- If I ever need help, I am here for myself any time

I appreciate all the nice comments far -- I wonder what is keeping those who feel less positive about my review from posting...
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I've got some general questions regarding mobile advertising in general and this course in particular and would appreciate any informed answers.

1. I don't own a smartphone so I wonder what triggers a mobile ad?

2. Mobile Monopoly mentions this is targeted traffic but from what I saw on the pre-launch video you can target by age, gender, and geographic location. Is that it?

Doesn't seem too targeted to me when compared with Google/Yahoo/Bing ppc or even offline space ads in industry/niche specific periodicals.

3. What type of mobile marketing strategies were presented for offline businesses? Were they mobile ads delivered by Admob and other such companies or encouraging companies to get their own sms number and build a customer list?
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I also want to know what triggers a mobile ad since you cannot bid on keywords

It would be nice if someone could answer this.

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Thank you Martin for your thorough and excellent review of MM.

This one had my greed glands started, especially when Guru Mansuer
threw huge praise, discounts, bonuses and another ad cert. worth 100.00 to get us started!

I hoped that if I could just wait a little longer before pulling the trigger, an experienced Warrior such as you and the others would save the day, and I appreciate that you and the WF came thru again!
So your post (along with the other Warriors), have helped me and I'm sure others that may also be a newbie already suffering with enough of the usual "syndum's" (shiny object, cash depleted from WSO's, info overload) than to spend more time while lining the wrong pockets.

Well done,
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Btw - received another e-mail from another mini-Guru affiliate trying to elicit the herd mentality stating MM has sold over 5k units and is hot ! So at least we know that one of his campaigns really works !
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Thanks for the awesome review.
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What do you expect from a $77 course???

If it's any good, the creator will charge more.

It seems like every guru is pushing it for a big buck affiliate commission without even had a time to evaluate the product other than just it's name.

It's one thing to be able to make a lot of money BUT it's a completely different thing to be able to teach others to do the same.

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Nice in depth review, Martin. I wish I could say I was surprised, but it sounds just like I expected it would. Which I was trying to hint at in the other thread. But I didn't want to make any public assumptions and/or statements about the quality of the product since I haven't reviewed it (never had any desire to).

Anyway, I hope the mods leave this thread, because the other one seems to have wondered from the "review" aspect.

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I think is a shame that this type of product can “break through” in these circles. Of course, people can get a refund - but they can not get their time back, and the money invested in campaigns that don’t produce results.

And if this is by any means the industry standard, a lot of people will end up in a cycle where they jump from one quick fix to another because the product is carefully constructed to give the illusion that it does really work with no effort required..."but just not for me". And so, the story repeats itself with no one the wiser because "quick fix" authors refuse or lack the skills to educate people on the true principles of Internet marketing.
You said a mouthful.
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Thanks Martin, that was one darned fast write up.... it's stuff like this that makes the WF well worth it.
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The copy is detailed and compelling and then I got an email from Kevin Rogers which explained why, he was hired to write it. If you dont know him he's one of John Carltons protege's and a great job his done. I'm on his list as I actually bought Carltons Simple Writing System via Kevin.

I have the course (MM) but I'm not going to go into detail until I have actually tried a couple of campaigns.

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Interesting info Danny, thanks for sharing. My first concern was that MM was making a big issue out of the 5.8 billion handsets but omitting the fact that smartphones only account for 51 million units, a much smaller sector and my blind belief was that it was the smartphone platform where you had any hope of getting click throughs. Nice to know this isn't the case!

As an app developer with apps on the app store I have bought the course (and will go through it tonight) to see if it throws up anything of interest.

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Hi Gary, yes you are right regarding handsets, which is why you should do your research for each country you are targeting.

You can target the phone devise e.g. the Nokia5130c-2 in India is the main player there, you are wasting your time targeting iphones in India with only 0.13%

The iphone only has a small percentage of the mobile market globally, good in the USA of course for getting some dollars promoting iTunes/apps. Iphone's market share it is growing of course based on the fact it only came out a few years ago, but Nokia is the king globally.

I don't think Adam deals with this issue too well, and I remember in his launch videos how he talks about there being 5 billion cell phone users. The Beastmobi product produces the landing pages suitable for the smartphone/iphone because of the video.

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Great post Martin.

I added my comments over on the original thread here Mobile Monopoly, but have still linked to yours.

I know how much work you did here, so well done.

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Hi Gary, yes you are right regarding handsets, which is why you should do your research for each country you are targeting.

You can target the phone devise e.g. the Nokia5130c-2 in India is the main player there, you are wasting your time targeting iphones in India with only 0.13%

The iphone only has a small percentage of the mobile market globally, good in the USA of course for getting some dollars promoting iTunes/apps. Iphone's market share it is growing of course based on the fact it only came out a few years ago, but Nokia is the king globally.

I don't think Adam deals with this issue too well, and I remember in his launch videos how he talks about there being 5 billion cell phone users. The Beastmobi product produces the landing pages suitable for the smartphone/iphone because of the video.

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Sounds like your going to be the 'go-to' guy for mobile marketing Danny!

Thanks for the insight, yes what has always always worked for me is highly targeted/relevant marketing be it adwords/FB/POF. You have raised an interesting point about the breakdown of devices by region which will dictate the sort of content that can be shown. MM doesn't cover this at all and whilst the market is bigger than the Internet at least with online marketing you know if you keep it to plain old HTML everyones browser will be able to render it.

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I don't think Adam deals with this issue too well, and I remember in his launch videos how he talks about there being 5 billion cell phone users. The Beastmobi product produces the landing pages suitable for the smartphone/iphone because of the video.

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Exactly. So much for those selling points
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Brilliant review, Martin!

Not only specific and detailed, but you elucidated 3 things which - combined with the shameless "say anything" pursuit of JV commissions - drive the whole over-saturated, over-hyped, under-performing "Miracle Solution" market. In fact, this alone would make a *truly* worthwhile WSO on how NOT to lose you money & time:

"Most of the content has been regurgitated in 100s if not 1000s of products since."


"...the author is not actually applying most of these things, he just explains the "potential" and how this is "easy money"..."


"... a lot of people will end up in a cycle where they jump from one quick fix to another because the product is carefully constructed to give the illusion that it does really work with no effort required..."but just not for me". And so, the story repeats itself with no one the wiser because "quick fix" authors refuse or lack the skills to educate people on the true principles of Internet marketing."

Thanks again Martin for a very thorough, honest, and generous post!

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Exactly. So much for those selling points
Yes Martin, so much for the sales sell, a great hyped up sales page and videos.

The smartphones hold such a small share of the market it is not worth focusing on in my opinion, and the clicks to the iphone are higher especially in the USA so you have to be very good at picking it to make a buck ...

... so Adam (if that is his real name, I expect there is a guru IM behind him based on how well the whole thing is put together) has focused on leading people into the smartphone market which is very small.

e.g. I am just starting a campaign in Russia and the Noika again is king there, the iphone holds only 2.77% of the market, with nokia at 63.91% (my banners are in Russian of course ) ... but the clicks are as cheap as 3 cents. My latest campaign is hitting a South American country and the clicks started at 2 cents, I pushed it to 4 cents and it is profitable (spend $1 make $2) ... targeting standard phones.

I want to hear from people using Adam's strategies and if it is working.

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Wow! Now that's what I call a thorough review.

Thank you so much for taking your time to share your experience Martin.

I was still on the fence and brewing with curiosity regarding the course despite reading others warnings that the content is seriously lacking in MM.

All curiosity for this course has now been fully put to rest. I'll just steer clear and save my money for my own mobile campaign testing.

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I've been checking my email and I can't believe the number of "gurus" - some of them pretty established ones promoting this like it's the end of the world! Thanks, Martin - sometimes I think you have to walk alone! Cheers!

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Aren't people fed up with all these dishonest endorsements? Time to start naming names, boycotting, shunning and ostracism, online and offline. That is a good of the Internet. How about an honest web site and a volunteer force that sends these people to the South Pole or some desert with their families and associates.
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Okay, So here is my review. I am one of the people who brought into this course and even got the upgrades. I tested out the proven campaigns, following the directions of click and paste.

First of all, of the seven campaigns mentioned, only five are still active in the CPA networks he mentioned. Of those five, I have tested out three. Of the three I have tested, none have made any conversions over the past several days. I have just copied and pasted as mentioned, and no conversion so far.

I have seen a lot of the super affiliates tell their subscribers that they have made money (several hundred dollars) within a day of implementing the techniques on the videos, and I have not had such results. I am not saying that they did not follow the course, but i would not be surprised if they got one on one help from the author when they set it up.

I have made money with CPAs using other methods in the past (Pay Per Click being one of them), but as it is written, and at this point, I honestly cannot say that this course is a one stop solution.

I think that if you buy this course, you should, at best, think of it as your introduction to mobile advertising. I do think that there is some definite money in using it, but I think there is a lot more to mobile advertising then what he has put into the course. I personally plan on talking to my affiliate managers and my account manager to get better advice on how to optimize these campaigns to possibly make them convert.
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There is a very good section on Apps , Module 9, that offers some great tips on Droid apps as well as Apple's iapps, or how to outsource making apps.
You can't help but learn something new from this course, there are so many ideas out there. Some are obvious and some are new and inspiring, Adam caters for all levels of affiliates. I have thoroughly enjoyed the course and believe it is well worth the money invested. I have learnt a lot from his method of teaching, he has over delivered.
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Execellent stuff Martin .. You really put a lot of effort and time into this review .

I received an email from a highly regarded warrior and seller on this forum touting this product . After reading the sales page I was about to click the buy now . Normally I would first check the forum for reviews but because the email came from a well regarded warrior promoting this product I almost bought , but than decided let me check the forum for reviews first.

So glad I found your post as it saved me a lot of time .
Keep up this excellent level of information for other items you might have purchased

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I wish that i was going here before buying this cra........
Thank you martin for your honest review i guess that you just saved a lot of time and money wasting for the other warriors.
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Martin,

This is a great review, as I also picked up the course. If anything this course just publicizes the emerging trend of mobile advertising, but it falls short on specific, and measurable steps as to how anyone can profit from the steps outline in it.

There is a lot of why, but not too much how.


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Note: If you have a blog - and you like this review - please consider linking to it preferably with "mobile monopoly" (or a variation including "review") as the anchor (link) text. This will help more people find it in Google - but most any link will be helpful! Thanks.

I actually spent a few hours on this review, so I hope it is ok that I post a new thread about it.

I apologize for the poor grammar/writing - I wrote it very fast.

As I stated in the other thread, I am only reviewing this product because a friend of mine bought two of this guy’s previous products. I paid for this one myself, and I will be refunding it out of sheer principle. I would have refunded the two others as well if I had paid for them.

There are 11 modules and some extra videos in the members’ area.

Module 1 – A lot of mobile stats and data in this one, most of which should not be surprising to most people who regularly follow industry news.

Module 2 - In this module he seems to go on and on about sending traffic to mobile optimized squeeze pages. What if 30 people converts, then I just made $150”, “this can really start to add up”, "Alright so I send them a Clickbank offer, and boom" – that last one is just classic, timeless relationship building advice! (I hope you can detect the irony). He goes on with "I get a huge list that I can market to forever", "CPA stands for.." and so on..

He keeps talking about his conversion rate, and various numbers, and how much money you can potentially make, and yet fails to explain how to accomplish it - is it by any chance because sending traffic straight to affiliate links is THE most fragile business model in existence? The rest of video 2 contains more pipe dreams and "think of the possibilities" moments, again without any tangible, actionable direction.

Module 3 – Here he explains how the interfaces of the ad platforms work again peppered with regular "just think of the possibilities" moments (sorry if I repeat myself, but monkey see, monkey do, or whatever the appropriate saying is in this context.. I am speed writing here! – this is very basic stuff.

Module 4 - More from the same drawer - and then the big secret is revealed. I don’t even own a cell phone, and even I know that a mobile browser is different from a standard browser. At this point the "just think about how much money you can make" filler is getting more than unbearable.

Module 5 -- "Clickbank is amazing, you can make a lot of money with it" that is not an exact quote, but close. He spends a long time explaining the basics, and includes regular mentions of "big money". He also talks about his squeeze page software - which comes at additional cost (67/month) - but he never provides any tangible proof that the squeeze pages presenting the mobile offers are the true source of his income, or that they have any sort of real effect.

Module 6– In this one he shows how to get affiliate links from Amazon in order to sell physical products as an affiliate - the most creative part about this module is the title: "let’s get physical". I noted that his account shows no sales activity. This is generally another uninteresting video that covers very basic stuff.

Module 7 – In this module he explains how to get pay per call offers. Pay per call is really just another way of tracking an affiliate sale, but through a phone number instead of an affiliate URL. Again, the information provided is very basic "how to find an offer" interspersed with even more "easy, easy money" comments, but no real guidance or insight is offered.

Module 8 - In this one, the "just think about the possibilities" moment deals with mobile marketing for local businesses. Sure, you could go out and manage mobile campaigns for local businesses - they may not be tech savvy, but you can be sure they want to know exactly what they get from their advertising dollars. And what do they get? Is there even enough volume to support very specific local offers through mobile advertising? He just mentions this as an idea, one of many, that is not supported by anything tangible in the form of how to do it, or what results he has accomplished (I know what my guess is).

I did see the remaining videos, but found no reason to mention anything further about them.

Oh, except the Iphone app module. That was the first video that actually made me laugh out loud. Again, completely in line with the rest of the product – he talks about possibilities and potential, and how a lot of people make a killing with apps - but again - with no with real direction.

I will just let these links speak for themselves:

So, You Want To Develop iPhone Apps, Eh? You REALLY Want To Read This! Dvorak Uncensored: General interest observations and true web-log.

Is The Rush To Develop iPhone Apps Creating A Bubble? | mocoNews

And a quote from one of the articles:

Supercollider Blog reports on several levels of paid app downloads, the relevant number is that half of all paid iPhone apps get less than 1,000 downloads. The median point is under 1,000. Lets call it 999. That number times $1.95 per paid app gives the ‘most typical app’ the total revenues in its lifetime – the full two years of App Store existence – of $1,948 dollars. This is before Apple takes its cut of 30%, so we are left with $1,363 over two years or $682 per year. This is so ‘successful’ that half of all of the developers of the 164,250 apps – will actually earn LESS THAN THIS. Before you start to cry, remember, there is that Angry Bird game that had 4 million paid downloads and the Bewelled 2 game with 3 million paid downloads. Thats your math there, they are totally skewing the averages, and you are stuck in the ‘long tail’ indeed. Half of all developers will earn less than $682 per year. Do you still think this is a good business idea?

The overall verdict

There is a lot of filler and basic stuff where he spends time on the usual suspects; Clickbank, what is CPA offers, and so on. “Clickbank pays high commissions" and "Amazon pays lower commission".

Most of the content has been regurgitated in 100s if not 1000s of products since. The few things he mentions that some people may not have heard of (such as pay per call) are covered in an extremely superficial way.

He almost never (if at all) mention aspects of real online marketing (relationship building, improving conversion rates, pre-selling) - stuff that is vital - but maybe that is because that sort of thing requires real EFFORT which would be more than 99% of his intended audience bargained for (judging by the sales letter). To fill out the holes it is apparently much easier to just have tons of "how to sign up for Clickbank" videos - yes, I think that is actually a title of one of the videos.

In regards to getting low CPCs - you can not by any standard compare the CPC of display ads and search ads. Getting a positive ROI is by no means guaranteed just because you get clicks at just a few cents. As an example, it is relatively easy to get clicks from Google (Adsense), and a number of other platforms from 3-10 cents (I have nothing for sale here or anywhere else), in some markets higher. I have done that several times. The key however, is conversion, as most of us know. And on top of that, it seems that most people are paying much more than the few cents he talks about.

He does not go in and show concrete tangible examples of winning campaigns - sure he has "proven" campaigns. But anyone who knows anything knows that any CPA network or affiliate network will throw their best performing campaigns at you like they were dead rodents (I realize that was a pathetic analogy . No solid proof that he makes money from the mobile offers is ever presented - why does only Clickbank and Paypal earnings show on the sales page? He is particularly generous in showing his Clickbank earnings in the sales videos. But he does not navigate to the pages in his various accounts that show proof of earnings in the videos inside the members’ area. For someone who likes to talk so much about how much money he makes WHY does he not show any real tangible results achieved promoting these offers? And why do all screenshots/videos that involve his campaigns show all campaigns on pause?

As someone else have already hinted - which is completely on par with my own sentiments - is the fact that you get a very distinct feeling that the author is not actually applying most of these things, he just explains the "potential" and how this is "easy money", and adds in various random potential earning scenarios, conversion rates and so on. A critical voice might infer that the results shown on the sales page could very well come from sales of his previous "make money online" offers in Clickbank (which also supports Paypal), and not from real b2c affiliate marketing offers on mobile phones. The author has so far been unresponsive in terms of submitting the proof I emailed him for.

In reality, it is not as easy as he makes it out – as also already pointed out earlier in the thread by someone who is doing it – and several other posters who have posted results from their campaigns. And those who make the wildest claims, including the author, does not seem to want to or be able to provide irrefutable evidence of their alleged quick, easy, and significant earnings.

Now - I could probably write another 5-10 pages about this product easily. But the time I have already spent is more than enough time wasted. I think is a shame that this type of product can “break through” in these circles. Of course, people can get a refund - but they can not get their time back, and the money invested in campaigns that don’t produce results.

And if this is by any means the industry standard, a lot of people will end up in a cycle where they jump from one quick fix to another because the product is carefully constructed to give the illusion that it does really work with no effort required..."but just not for me". And so, the story repeats itself with no one the wiser because "quick fix" authors refuse or lack the skills to educate people on the true principles of Internet marketing.
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Martin,

This is a great review, as I also picked up the course. If anything this course just publicizes the emerging trend of mobile advertising, but it falls short on specific, and measurable steps as to how anyone can profit from the steps outline in it.

There is a lot of why, but not too much how.
It gives specifics, shows some flashy clickbank screenshots that could of come from anywhere. And clearly dummy's it down to provide a bunch of FLUFF, without any actionable material.

And when he does provide his "secret" method, it's one that Will NEVER WORK! I'm not going to repeat what Mr. Brock already so vividly pointed out with the structure of the course. Because let's face it, if 8/10 of your modules are about what Clickbank is (and why it's such a great place to find products to promote to cellphone users) then clearly that person HONESTLY doesn't have a clue about mobile marketing.

Close to a year ago Maverick Money makers, introduced a similar course in which he describes much of the same system. And that is shortly around the same time version 1 of this course was released. Feel free to read all the discussion over there, and my assessment which 100% holds true for this course.

Cell Phone Cash - What is This?


Now with that said, lets move on to the major problems that will burn a hole in your wallet.

1) A large percentage of traffic from the network he's using are going to be false clicks. Why is this? First lets look at how advertisements are served up. They are largely through applications who carefully put ads through out their programs. So as an iphone user or if you know someone who has one, they'll tell you how easy it is to accidently click on an advertisement and be wisked away to somewhere you had no intention of going to in the first place. I'd actively encourage anyone who has doubts or wants to see this first hand, is to install analytics on your mobile page (and watch the bounce rate). But make sure its mobile optomized and make sure its interesting with a little bit of information and then a simple email request forum.

2) The whole course sits on taking a clickbank page, and direct linking to it. THIS IS a HUGE problem and one reason why the course will NEVER WORK. First of all its 100% not optomized for the iphone or any cellphone for that matter. And a simple cheap cellphone page scruncher is not going to fix your problem. You need to 100% reprogram your cellphone pages , get feedback on the design, and test and retest it when doing your campaigns.

I cannot say this enough. Not only are clickbank sales pages notoriously LONG, they aren't optomized to be shown on any mobile device, and they don't work (PERIOD). If you bother to think for a minute why that is, you'll have an AH HA moment. So lets say your browsing on your iphone, and you say are interested in lets say how to get your finances on track. A fairly basic problem a lot of people have, and they are redirected to your Clickbank offer. So now they are starring at a page that will go on for days and days, not fit in their iphones screen (be too small, constantly have to zoom in and out). And really doesn't hit on the main problems they are having (well maybe it does), but thats on bullet point 85 miles down the page. So what happens that person leaves. You haven't captured his attention because its 100% not optomized for a cellphone user, and 100% not targetted to him.

3) So let's say by the stroke of luck you actually had one person who wants your information so desperately that they actually took the time and want to purchase it. Keep in mind this is like .0001% of the people. So they go to the order page, and now they have to submit all of their information on their iphone, and it takes forever with scrolling... Again lets face it, the vast majority of people don't complete purchases on their mobile devices (unless its an application that bills their phone or similar easy checkout).

4) Ok.. Well what about the people that go back to their computer later that day... They'll after all find your page. NOPE! Remember, how easy it was to direct link to your hoplink. So they aren't going to your page, your cookie on your mobile phone, isn't good on their PC. So if they even go through this trouble, guess who's getting the revenue.. Not you! Either another clickbank affiliate or the seller. So now you just spent $100's of dollars your money, helping put cash into the sellers pocket or another affiliate.

Hopefully this sheds some light on why mobile networking done these ways DOESN'T work. And why you will quickly find yourself broke, doing a "system that never worked in the first place". I put this out their with Mack, but I'll put this out there again. I'd personally put $500 or $1000, of my money up for anyone of these GURU's to show me first hand this system working as they claim. But I'm 100% sure that will never happen, because the system that they layed out doesn't work.

Honestly, it gets a little old. Perhaps I should take the time and put out a decent course on what actually works. Because mobile marketing, can work if done correctly.. I'm just personally getting sick of all these people who take IM marketers for a ride, have them waste hundreds of thousands of dollars on something that will never work as demonstrated. Personally, not only could I not live with myself at the end of the day, if I made money that way. But I also would spend sleepless nights, if I promoted this to my list. Because it was HOT, and I could get some quick affiliate cash.
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Well i just got an email where he say that he appreciate the affiliates work and he did $1.5 MILLION in 6 days with this course..
I mean What the HELL!
Anyone can make a course like this but after this fluff I'm gonna delete this guy from my names list cause its really driving me crazy!
For me is just like to gran a granny or something lol.. I will never do something like this cause i know the feeling of buying a crap for $80.

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The whole course sits on taking a clickbank page, and direct linking to it. THIS IS a HUGE problem and one reason why the course will NEVER WORK. First of all its 100% not optomized for the iphone or any cellphone for that matter. And a simple cheap cellphone page scruncher is not going to fix your problem. You need to 100% reprogram your cellphone pages , get feedback on the design, and test and retest it when doing your campaigns.

I cannot say this enough. Not only are clickbank sales pages notoriously LONG, they aren't optomized to be shown on any mobile device, and they don't work (PERIOD).
HI, I brought the course just because I was interested to see what he had to say .. I was hoping it would be telling people how to make money like I have been with mobile marketing. I could create a course to but decided only on a mastermind group. He is not telling people to do what Mack taught in his course ie. sending people to click bank pages. That would be stupid.

One of the main strategies is list building via mobile optimised pages using his own mobile website creator program called Beastmobi, sending traffic to the pages via a media advertiser after buying media, the traffic takes up the offer, you collect the email to your aweber account, you automate emails to be received once on at computers - offering similar products via a CPA essentially.

You don't really need the course, you can learn the basics quickly and be testing within a few hours, the harder part is getting them configured right to target your market and to get the click costs low. I am referring to offering mobile CPA products. I focus on games downloads via the mobile CPA, that has exclusive rights so I am not competing with other advertisers in other cpa's.

Hope that helps ....

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Well i just got an email where he say that he appreciate the affiliates work and he did $1.5 MILLION in 6 days with this course..
I mean What the HELL!
Anyone can make a course like this but after this fluff I'm gonna delete this guy from my names list cause its really driving me crazy!
For me is just like to gran a granny or something lol.. I will never do something like this cause i know the feeling of buying a crap for $80.

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Isn't that amazing - $1.5 million dollars of others peoples hard earned money! Money they could had put into buying media via a mobile advertiser and actually made some money or at least the $77 .... I am sure Adam is a happy man and will upgrade his sports car.

I could also not do this Rico, or at least make sure I could deliver and have real results and people to back it up. You notice on his sales page from my memory there are not real video testimonies. Oh well I am sure there will be a few refunds but he still made a good wack of cash out of the all the hype and JV partners spamming everyone with it - without even testing the system themselves - shame on them for this.

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HI, I brought the course just because I was interested to see what he had to say .. I was hoping it would be telling people how to make money like I have been with mobile marketing. I could create a course to but decided only on a mastermind group. He is not telling people to do what Mack taught in his course ie. sending people to click bank pages. That would be stupid.

One of the main strategies is list building via mobile optimised pages using his own mobile website creator program called Beastmobi, sending traffic to the pages via a media advertiser after buying media, the traffic takes up the offer, you collect the email to your aweber account, you automate emails to be received once on at computers - offering similar products via a CPA essentially.

You don't really need the course, you can learn the basics quickly and be testing within a few hours, the harder part is getting them configured right to target your market and to get the click costs low. I am referring to offering mobile CPA products. I focus on games downloads via the first main cpa that exclusive rights so I am not competing with other advertisers in other cpa's.

Hope that helps ....

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Perhaps, I'll have to check Thanks for the update Danny. I had purchased his first course titled Mobile Monopoly that he introduced back in December 09, and was exactly that sending people to Clickbank products. And judging by Martain's assessment I assumed it was the same course or very similar.

Anyway I still stand by my assessment, but perhaps I'll have to make sure I am reviewing any changes he's made. That said, his first course really demonstrated there was no thought that went into it, and no experience in generating revenue from it.

As for your decision to start a mastermind group, I agree 100%. While I primarily focus on more long term SEO strategy's. And FB and other PPC/Media buy campaigns, honestly I can understand completely why you would not want to publish a working product. There is a lot of money to be had, if your doing things correctly in mobile marketing (ie. targetting the right group, building true mobile webpages).
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Isn't that amazing - $1.5 million dollars of others peoples hard earned money! Money they could had put into buying media via a mobile advertiser and actually made some money or at least the $77 .... I am sure Adam is a happy man and will upgrade his sports car.
I'm sure he'll be even happier once Clickbank's 60 day return policy period is over.
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...I had purchased his first course titled Mobile Monopoly that he introduced back in December 09, and was exactly that sending people to Clickbank products...
Do you mean his first course entitled Cell Phone Treasure?
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Do you mean his first course entitled Cell Phone Treasure?
Ah yes, thanks Chart3 Indeed that was it. I am surprised he came out with a course that contained all the fluff and apparent non knowledge of the whole mobile marketing niche. And released a second course, I'll have to check out what golden nuggets are in this one (sarcasm)...


@Frozengod- I couldn't agree with you more, about taking yourself off lists that actively promote products without finding out if they have any substance, and instead focusing on what $30,50,$500 of affiliate commissions your going to get.

Here is a tip for people looking to start an IM niche mailing list or if you already have one. Tip: Only promote products you have seen first hand of know that are quality. If you actively engage your list and are seen as a trusted expert you'll get far better results that just blasting whatever JV comes your way.
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I am surprised he came out with a course that contained all the fluff and apparent non knowledge of the whole mobile marketing niche. And released a second course, I'll have to check out what golden nuggets are in this one (sarcasm)...
I think the re-package/re-release/re-hash-your-own-products-in-fancy-new-packaging method is taught by a currently "hot" guru, and that guru might have gotten the idea from another old school guru. It's been working great for Adam so far, especially since he comes off as being ahead of the curve, hip and cool, without seeming like a douche, at least on the surface. However, I wonder what his refund rate will look like.
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It pisses me off that these kind of products reach the #1 spot on Clickbank. You would assume there is a reason why they are selling so well, but reading these reviews makes me think it's all just a scam.

It's not only this product I'm referring to. I've heard very negative reviews about Turbo Profit Sniper, CB Wealth Formula, Blogging To The Bank as well...all best selling products on CB. Makes me wonder how they all reach the top spots on CB.

Anyway, as an affiliate it puts me off to be associated with products like that.
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What do you expect from a $77 course???

If it's any good, the creator will charge more.

It seems like every guru is pushing it for a big buck affiliate commission without even had a time to evaluate the product other than just it's name.

It's one thing to be able to make a lot of money BUT it's a completely different thing to be able to teach others to do the same.

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It's called GREED...ummm marketing.
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