LIndaB

And you have an affiliate offer to it in your signature? I don't think so!

Greg guitar

I wouldn't worry about it-someone just had an attack of cynicism-happens to the best of us.

You should feel free to comment all you want, even if you are shilling . (kidding)

adamonline

Originally Posted by Lance K
"I was just trying to point out how to truly tell if a campaign is profitable. Like I said, cost per click and amount of clickbank commissions (or other revenue) are irrelevant by themselves."


Well put Lance, thanks.
This is what we all must keep in mind when exposed to screenshots & claims in program launches.

Adam
BTW - There's another really good review thread of MM by Martin Brock

ScottR

Um, yeah, in fact one screen shot of his Peerfly account (with his name on it) seemed to show total earnings of under 69 bucks and no earnings at all for the day the screen shot was taken. He stated that it was a "test account". Whatever that means. I suspect you might be right, Culvers.

Ron Rajan

I had a chance to go through the course and its very clear that he does not walk the talk...

The CPA accounts that he shows have little or no money in them and his mobile ad network accounts have almost no stats...if he was really making the income he claimed, why would he not show his actual campaign results? (especially when he's giving away those campaigns as bonuses claiming that these campaigns have made him a lot of money)...

As @Culvers points out, 99% of the course is just a walkthrough of ad networks, mobile networks and his software...no mention of tactics, strategies, targeting, optimization etc

The bonus campaigns are a joke - he randomly picks up campaigns, then sets it up on admob and abruptly ends the video saying - 'run this campaign and I promise you that will make crazy amounts of money'.

If only marketing was as simple as randomly blasting out offers and making money from them, every marketer would be a millionaire...

Overall, I was extremely unimpressed with the course....its very clear that the course was made to capitalize on the hot interest in this niche, and not created based on personal experience...

You'd get 100 times more information by watching the free webinars put out by the OfferMobi guys than from this info product...

Dion Drakes

Thanks Greg

The reviews and overall feedback from fellow warriors seems to point to the fact that Adam's course is full of fluff. He hasn't provided much proof but just focusses on walking through registering accounts in the various advertising networks and mobile cpa networks.

I can do that on my own, I don't need an instructional video for that.

What I'm hearing (reading) is that the course is mainly theory.

I think I'm going to keep on the sidelines for the time being until others share more positive results.

Thanks to Ron and culvers for your feedback with regard to the course content.

My question to you both is ...
Have you implemented any of the MM theory into your own test campaigns?

I personally wouldn't totally write off the course unless I tested for at least 2 to 3 weeks and didn't at least break even.

Others are having success with mobile so I know from them (no shilling here today ) that it works and can be profitable.

KevScarb

In addition to the usual paid traffic methods I have done mobile marketing for almost 2 years, which is about 18 months longer than the product creator ( though after looking at the product I seriously doubt he has ever really done any ) I had so many people mention this thing to me during the week, that i just had to check it out.

I don't really need to do a long post on the product now, as to be fair Martin Brok has pretty much nailed it, you can read it here Mobile monopoly review

I do however have some points I would like to highlight in addition to what Martin wrote.

No mention or examples of using google adwords mobile ads . Google does own admob now, but the platforms are still very different.You can still do mobile ads on google search. and of course other ads via the google display network, just set up seperate campaigns for mobile only within the adwords account. I guess he's " killing it " so much he didn't need to access the google traffic or show the people buying his course about using google for mobile ?

I don't mind sharing that I do click to call via google adwords for mobile. I use it to promote finance related offers, and it is profitable, but not huge traffic volumes. A google mobile ad gives them 2 choices in the ad, either click and call the number, which obviously with a phone in their hand is easy, or click to visit the website, which in this case is optimised for a mobile visitor.

Want to make your sites suitable for mobile, or build an offer ? Then use wordpress, and optimise it for mobile WordPress › WordPress Mobile Pack WordPress Plugins

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No examples of split testing. I can tell you that different networks, and different devices will give you different results and different bid prices. You may find that conversions on a squeeze page for an ad that targets iphone users only will perform better than a standard phone.

Let me take one example from this thread.

Alice Ayres comment at #83
Weight Loss campaign set up 29 July squeeze page in Aweber offering free weight loss report in return for email submit then sending to Peerfly $500 Walmart offer:
Impressions 88,155
Clicks 381 CTR 0.43%
Cost $56.15 CPC $0.15
Sign ups for CPA offer 2 @ $1.20 = $2.40
Subscribers 12

Alice, the first thing here is if you paid 15 cents on admob, then I expect you chose the most broad setting. 15 cents is the usual default bid price.

If you had done device targeting you may find all 12 of those subs came from an iphone or a blackberry ? and you wasted money on other other clicks from other phones. On the other hand you may just have a bad page, because I would have expected around 40 subscribers even via mobile for that if it was targeted and the page optimised.

It does not matter what traffic method is used to get a subscriber, once you have them, the process for selling is the same, and if you punt crap to subscriber via email, they won't be anymore likely to buy from you just because they signed up via a mobile. As the great John Caples said " Times change. People don't " If you reach your customer through mobile, they are still the same, with the same needs and wants.

Though this is not the place to go deeper into it, I will also tell you that sending your subscribers to other companies email submits is not a viable business model.


Cheap Traffic- Let me make this one clear. If you are targeting North America and Europe, 1 cent and 3 cent bids do not exist on the main networks that have the traffic. Cheap traffic in relation to other markets ? YES, for example taking the details I showed above, Try getting 381 clicks on google for weight loss at an avg of 15 cents. It is about knowing your market and what the costs in that market are on other platforms. Insurance as a keyword on mobile is cheap compared to buying it on google . (REMOVED... PERSONAL ATTACK )



I won't beat about the bush here, In my view and with experience in this marketplace, the front end marketing of this course is set up to deliberately mislead the customer by implying that the process is easy and fast .Big generalisations about making " big money "

quote " Going Mobile will turn into the fastest most effortless money you have ever made "

It is the classic clickbank sales page, post up a bunch of screen shots, get a couple of your buddies to vouch how great it is ( MOD NOTE: PERSONAL COMMENT REMOVED. yes this product is " sick" but not the hip way you mean ) , and you are good to go.

even the number he quotes for his aweber subscriptions includes the unsubcribes, which would mean his one big list is 17327 not 22, 312, (MOD NOTE: This line was removed due to personal attack) If he can't quote an accurate number based on a screen grab we can all see, how much credit you want to give the rest of his story ?


Save your money, because this won't deliver the the mobile marketing holy grail.

Mobile marketing is growing, and you can make money with it, but just like any other traffic source, be that facebook plenty of fish, or even the mighty Goog, if you have no clue about marketing , if you don't know who your target customer is, then you will not get good results. Spend some time and money on understanding marketing first.

Sorry people, it has been said many times, but there is no magic button in this game,... MOD NOTE: PERSONAL ATTACK REMOVED

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Just so we are clear. I have no agenda here, there is NO marketing in my sig, and I don't sell I.M stuff. This is just my opinion based on this product.

chart3

@KevScarb: Could you share what kind of results you're getting with your marketing efforts, especially with pay-per-call via mobile ads?

@dannynz: I signed up for your newsletter/blog, but I didn't see any mention of a mastermind group. Could you please post more details about the mastermind? Also, could you share more details about your success with CPA offers over mobile?

Thanks guys for your input.

dannynz

Hi - appreciate your interest and you are asking the right questions, but this thread is not here to cover what you are asking, it is meant to be about Adam's course.

It proves again how we need a place to share all this stuff, MOD NOTE: THIS LINE REMOVED. CONFINE COMMENTS TO THE PRODUCT.

The mastermind group is new which is why it is not on my blog as yet and is a closed group to keep the numbers manageable - you have to email me about it, I can not discuss it here really.

Hope that helps?

Danny

culvers

Hi Dion

I agree with you - I can fully see the potential with mobile advertising, and have no trouble believing that people are making money out of it, just as they make money out of other forms of ppc and internet marketing.

My problem was that in the course, mobile ppc was being pushed as just pasting your cpa link into the ad, writing a relevant headling and "BOOM! YOU'VE MADE TONS OF MONEY" (as he likes to say)

That was pretty much the strategy he was "teaching"... (I hate to use that word in conjunction with this... "course") but there was never any evidence to back his claims up. (skillfully placed ipads, iphones, macs, macbooks, and other signs of wealth carefully placed in camera view around his desk don't count as proof IMHO)

Just as thats unlikely to work with other forms of ppc, its unlikely to work with mobile. Money just doesn't grow on trees. So although I have not tested this strategy out (if you can call it a strategy) that doesn't mean I would not continue to look at mobile advertising.

I found it amusing that pretty much his whole strategy revolved around getting cheap <6c per click traffic, but as soon as he targetted north america, it would jump up to 10c, 15c+ (even when this happened, he kept insisting that he regularly got 1c and 2c clicks, but of course we never saw any evidence of this)

On the postive side, the stage is still open if someone else were to release a mobile related product. I am still interested in it, and if someone were to put together a real course with some meat on it, that included testing, case studies, and lots of vital details, I would happily buy it.

I would be happy if just one person read my comments and decided not to buy it - I would feel content knowing that I have saved them from wasting a lot of time.

Martin Brock

If you were not a man I would ask for your hand in marriage.

Dion Drakes

Hey culvers,

Just wanted to let you know that I have decided not to buy MM. Thanks to yourself, Martin and several others who posted their opinions and reviews.

I don't want to invest my time or money into a course that doesn't deliver on the promises made in the product pitch.

Mobile is obviously a hot topic because Adam and his partners are making a killing from some of the reports I've heard about the number of sales.

I think it's sad at the same time for all those who are being taken advantage of because they don't know any better.

It should be mandatory that products first launch on Warrior Forum.

Anyone agree with me on this one?

Take it easy culvers and thanks again.

rdbranson

Hey Alex,

Did you see the post asking you to provide some data and proof showing that the campaign you mentioned had the sales you stated?

I strongly urge you to do so. It will help all of us and you especially, believe me.

Ralph, Believer in Accountability Enforcement

margotoliver

I have learnt a huge amount from this course. Sure there is a lot of basic information covered...but he is trying to cater for all types of marketers. You learn alternative methods of sourcing CPA networks. How to write your own apps, or outsource it if you want. How you can get out there to the local business market with another source of advertising that is no obvious to the local businessman and so much more.
I think it was really worth the $77...he has over delivered in information, I'm glad I bought it and have a better understanding of Mobile Marketing because of this course.
I've had success with my first mobile marketing campaign and now have and additional 135 subsribers to my anti aging niche to onsell further products thanks to Mobile Monopoly.
I highly recommend it.

buyitpc

Hi Dion:

I'm to agree with you... The funniest thing about Adam is that I found him on Clickbank in March of this year after he posted up "Cell Phone Treasures" I bet anyone knew he did/had that product? (sorry, poor English) any event, accordingly to "MM" reviews which his new course involves it's similar to "CPT" - with the exceptions that he added the call issue and few more things.

What I hate is this, these guys come out with another product in detail which they didn't include in their first.

Oh he offered to refund me at the time, but now Adam is so huge that most people can't communicate any further with him. Besides, after reading the disappointing facts on this thread about doing an AdMob campaign as Adam instructed has failed to prove success.

Last March I tried a RingTone campaign according to Adam and it flopped that it was a total waste!!!

I'm considering doing a niche campaign but fear & feel that I haven't the foggiest idea which one to choose that works...

Oh, yes I have a CPA account all setup & all, but from what a few have said here about their results I am now skeptical to spend even $50.00 to try plus the $20.00 for the aweber account to only discover failure!

Until I hear some positive results from out of this by someone... Staying on the fence.

As Dan claimed, you need to know more about running a campaign, I don't understand what he's explaining... Too techie garçon for me... Can you explain?


=D

mmancha

Hi,
I bought the course. Yes these strategies can most definately be applied to countries other that the U.S. One company is based in Europe. You can drill down to just about any place in the world for your target market. Maureen

Chika Nwoko

@Alice,

I agree with you about the $67 per month Upsell to Beastmobi. There are a few less expensive alternatives to setting up your mobile sites. If any one needs some resources then just PM me.

Dion Drakes

@buyitpc,

I'm not sure what Danny said but my guess is what he was trying to say is before you run a campaign you should do some demographic research. Let me give you an example as I understand it.

Let's say I was testing a campaign for "text dating" in a particular country. I'll use Canada for this example. I would have to figure out who the target market is for that offer and target them specifically before running my campaign otherwise I run the risk of losing money very quickly.

The cool thing that I've learned about mobile marketing (from networking/masterminding with another WF member) is that you can get really specific with your targeting even down to the model of phone being used.

Here's what I would do to launch a mobile campaign:

1) Take the domain for the campaign and plug that into Quantcast and Google Ad planner to get the best demographics and age range.

Note: if there is no data on the domain, I do a search in Google for the campaign domain and plug in the number 1 competitor that shows up in the results and just move down the list until data shows up.

2) Look at the primary phone for Canada (can be found in the campaign planner of your mobile cpa network) which happens to be Blackberry (RIM).

3) Look at the primary channel for Canada which happens to be lifestyle. <-- we care a lot about lifestyle up here.

4) Launch my campaign targeting the best age range I've found for the website, country, channel, phone carrier and phone model.

5) Split test to see how text ads convert compared to banner ads.

The networks even recommend what price to bid at so much of the guessing has been removed.

I am by no means an expert. I am still testing things out for myself but this is the process I use for the successful cpa campaigns I'm running through PPC and CPV so I'm pretty convinced this process will work for mobile as well.

Anyway, I hope that helps and I didn't get too technical for you. If you have any other questions feel free to ask.

Cheers.

P.S. FYI let's stick to the topic and keeps things about reviewing the course. Feel free to send me a PM if it's not review related.

Merlinthecat

Some observations.

1. good luck trying to find 5 or cent clicks for US market campaigns - ain't gonna happen. You won't get any impressions to speak of let alone the chance of any clicks. 16 to 20 cent is more realistic.
2. Here is an example of a campaign, taken "as is" from his list of "proven campaigns"

stop smoking - cpa:

$0.16 clicks
195,108 impressions
261 clicks
CTR 0.13%
$41.75 spent
zero conversions.
result - $41.75 loss.

I think people like Danny, on here, have more of an idea --- just my ten cents worth (pun intended).

dannynz

thanks Dion - great post (I wonder who taught you some of this stuff ), yes you must, critical do all the research for the area you are targeting. I use a specific tool I can not go into on this thread.

Adam's course doesn't cover all this really, but end of the day folks you should only use a mobile CPA offers on WAP phones not Iphones, and pick parts of the world where the clicks are cheap enough to achieve a win ratio ... ie profit, simple really. Don't try to be to complicated when trying to make money with mobile marketing.

Thanks Merlinthecat for your results/feedback. I am know we are trying to get better results for you now, but the way Adam's campaign is set up with the CPA page not optimised for just the iphone - it is not going to work from my experience.

Danny

buyitpc

Hi Danny:

I agree with you on this note! Adam's course doesn't really go into specifics... only general steps... which is good for those not sure how to act upon them... but if they're like me... very skeptical about spending $50.00 on a campaign and learn at the end how disappointing it will be in your results.

I PM Dion and you, although I haven't heard back from either of you guys... I would seriously like to read your steps in narrowing down the demographics and learn how to use cell phone marketing as a potential method of earning an income.

Now, merit I'm not made of money but willing to spend $50.00 on a campaign and hopefully find results enough to generate a list of at least 1000 people which in all fairness would be a valid number for the results... of course it truly depends on your research and demographics as you guys pointed out... Adam's Course doesn't do that!

Not in the slightest... if he did he would lose money! Plain and simple!!!

I hate these guys who have idea's to make money, they go through all the test, remember their procedures of how they do it, but not the homework methods. Besides, niche markets is the key here when doing a CPA offer!

If a course were to go through step one, find the niche you wanted or actually was is popular on the net and what most people are interested in... then take that niche (although I know it changes constantly, keeping that factor in the equalization) and work from there... then narrow down the demographics as Dion pointed out, and you too Danny - then it would make more sense to the marketer in performing the task at hand and not be discouraged!

Skeptical minds think a lot. Adam's concepts and idea's are truly intriguing and chances of him reading this post/thread here any way will never really happen. Adam's a cool guy, I've e-mailed him in the past with this and his other course he launched at the end of May: "Dude, I Hate My Job" - that again is a very vague but alright course.

As for "MM" I wont buy it. It's too much of the same as "Cell Phone Treasure" and the reports are truly mixed on the subject. Some here have plainly spoke out with a comment that he articulates too much on the concept of how to generate leads and make money, making it sound very easy that all you have to do is cough up not only his $77.00 for the course, but cough up $50.00 at least five to ten times, and spend the fr*king $20.00 for Aweber to generate & store the results of the campaigns.

Someone needs Danny as Dion lightly said about how to really do it and make money from it!

I know, not suppose to speak about Danny here... but compared to Adam's course, I think it's a valid point!

=D

richfrank

I need a review copy of Mobile Monopoly for my blog etc.. Can anyone PM me who has one please. Thanks, Rich.

dannynz

You mean you want free access to the training via login? I hope you are not an affiliate marketing it ... as I assume you have read this thread and the bad reviews here it has received?

Danny

Ishan Soni

I was one of the people who brought Cell Phone Cash. I ended up wasting $187 on admob with 0 sales.

Anyway, looking at your guys feedback, I am going to give another shot to this

chart3

Since this is a Clilckbank product, did you try doing an automated refund through Clickbank directly?

IMChris

google for "clickbank refund" and you´ll find how to do it. it is totally automated but a little bit hidden.

Although this should have had a huge "REFUND ME NOW!" Button spammed over the net.

pearsonbrown

MODERATOR

I don't suppose anybody would like to make a little video about how to get a refund from Clickbank? This comes up so frequently in this forum.

Pearson

IMChris

1) Open your receipt email from CB
2) Scroll down to the very bottom
3) Click the link under "Customer Service"
4) Click on "request support" on the upper left corner (could be named something similar, as I have a german frontend)
5) select "more options..." from the pulldown menu
6) select "refund" and a "reason" from the pulldown menu
7) sent it to cb

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Steve Wise

On Clickbank home page there's an icon at the very top "order help" click that.
A box appears "Order Lookup" enter Clickbank order number and one of either "email address" "last 4 digits of credit card number" or "Paypal Transaction ID"
Click Submit.

An "Order Detail Box" will appear. In the top left click "Get Support"
Another box will appear "What problem are you having?"
In the drop down box there's a list of options, click "more options" at the bottom.
Then a box appears with "refund request" in the middle with a radio button to check.
List reason for refund from drop down box, then click submit.

You should then receive an email saying that your request is being dealt with.

The problem with Mobile Monopoly is that the payment for the product wasn't taken from the normal Clickbank page. In the video promo Adam promises a refund but states it has to be done by just "shooting him an email"

I hope this helps.

buzz4me

while on mobile marketing myself i have seen Admoda - Mobile Advertising offering really good CPC. still cpc as low as $0.01 worth looking into them.

PS. Taken from Adam`s JV Blog http://mobilemonopoly.com/jvblog/

"Competition is still really crazy and sales just keep coming in! Our gravity is over 700 and is working it’s way to the 1,000 mark which will be, from what I hear, a Clickbank RECORD for highest gravity ever! Just 300 away… We can do it guys!

We now have over 12,000 sales and it’s growing faster each and every day! "

dblgdee

Insane traffic with mobile
Questionable reviews
Product gravity over 1000, with over $1million in sales
What is the real opportunity?

al_clark7

Well as far as I am concerned, every person who promoted this product to my inbox is having their subscriptions deleted.

For anyone's information, I bought all the upsells but once I got the course I had a lot of questions about his "proof".

I sent in 4 emails and was EVENTUALLY replied to saying I would have to phone instead and leave a mesasage.

Then when I said I wanted a refund they lied and said they were not able to and I would need to do it myself at clickbank.

I am experienced online and I am very angry at myself for letting these Di$*heads trick me into parting with my cash.

False claims, no proof, it's obvious that this has been one big marketing ploy and to everyone involved with it, I hope your karma catches up with you soon.


DO NOT BUY THIS COURSE IF YOU ARE BUYING BASED ON THEIR INCOME CLAIMS. THE PROVEN CAMPAIGNS HAVE NOT BEEN TESTED.

I hope newbies who have purchased the course do not spend too much money before they realise it's time to stop.

I tested out his "proven" offers, (or the ones that were still actually offers, a couple were no longer available) and I had to increase the cpc up to 16cents before any substantial clicks were recieved and as you might guess, nothing and I mean NOTHING converted.

Plus in the videos, the way he set up campaigns got low click cost because he just glossed over the targeting the demographics part. He kept leaving it at target the whole world. They have done EVERYTHING to decieve us, and it is so obvious when you look over the videos again.

Thisw might seem like a strong message. If Mobile Monopoly people are annoyed at this, sue me. At least in court you'd have to prove your claims.

Enjoy living on the money you made from scamming people into buying through blatantly lying to them!

I hope this helps at least one person not spend money on this trash

richfrank

I was going to put out an honest review for it thats why i wanted a copy to check over first but by the sounds of it from all the negative stuff doesnt sound like a good idea.

affhelper

Well, I knew the usual CB promoters will promote this to their lists, but what really surprised me was getting Jason Moffatt's email regarding this. I like Jason and I read almost every single email he sends out. He probably regrets sending it now, but I know how it works so I don't blame him and didn't unsubscribe, just was surprised. That should tell you that the REAL money is being made selling this stuff and not doing it Although there are a few of us that make more from marketing than from selling products

CianMcCarthy

Fair play to Adam seeing the opportunity in the market...it's just a pity he didn't just walk his talk a little bit as from a marketing perspecitive with his lauch video's...it's a snazzy process

jprano

Terry, just go to clickbank. They will take care of it for you.

dannynz

Yes it is a real shame how all these people including IM guru's promote this course without even testing it themselves. Personally I was hopeful what he was showing would work but knew it was unlikely from my experience of trying it over 12 months ago.

I have been doing my own thing on mobile not like Adam and making money - no hype no bull, this week alone I have seen very good returns ready for up-scaling. I have mentored a bunch of people all for free this week too ... it takes time and testing to get this right folks.

Yes please I would not buy this course, of all the people I have been helping am helping who brought the course and set up their campaigns as Adam shows - zero have made money.

Get good advise first.

Danny

pearsonbrown

I don't see the point in having two threads on this. So please use

Mobile monopoly review


Thanks.

Pearson