mistyone

How do you repay a kindness?

This is my way......

I started a thread the other day: Style.css help needed

YiKeS gave me some initial instructions about what to change and said if I needed someone to do it for me that he was available.

I posted in that forum because I wanted to have a go at fixing it myself and also because I couldn't afford to pay someone, offering services in the For Hire forum because I am not in the financial position to pay for anything at the moment.

I tried to adjust the code as YiKeS suggested but it became obvious after altering the code and viewing the page that it required more than just altering the width of the posting area so I PM YiKeS asking if his offer of further help was on a paid basis. His reply was none other than expected, and rightfully so, that he would be charging and explained what he could do and how much.

As explained, I am not in the position to pay for anything for my websites at present so I gracefully declined his offer explaining my position and also telling him I would change the code back to the way it was and just live with the look of it until I had enough knowledge or money to change it.

This is where the whole story changed

YiKeS said he couldn't bare to see it looking the way it was, he said he understood my situation and that he wanted to code me a new theme to replace the old one

Well this kind gentleman has done exactly that, spending many hours, receiving no payment for his kindness, so I thought to myself how could I repay him for this wonderful Warrior act, so I decided the best way was for me to spread the word about how great his service is. I have received the exact same service and consideration that a paying client of YiKeS would receive, and it is fantastic. He even gave me instructions on how to best tweak the site for optimum look, feel and SEO

My way of saying thank you, is to tell you of his design service which is:

CJR Designs | Wordpress Themes | HTML Templates

If you are looking for someone to go the extra mile for you and do the very best job possible, then please take my word for it, you won't be disappointed, you will get fantastic service and results

If you want to view his handy work then check out the bottom link in my signature

Now I'm off to tip off YiKeS about this thread I have started, to show my gratitude and to warn him of the flood of inquiries he is going to receive for work

Thanks for reading it

Tell us how you repay a fellow Warriors kindness

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edhan

In life, there will always be a time when we will repay back what we have learnt. I always tell myself and my children - giving back to society for what you have learnt in life.

For his kind deed, he will be rewarded in some form - not necessary in term of money. Having good Karma, he will earn Merits. Your kind words have already rewarded him in a great way. Helping does not need to have repayment as it comes from the heart. The reward will be the satisfaction of making someone happy worths more than money itself. I truly believe he has earned the joy and happiness plus the reward you have just shown.

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BIll S

I believe what you are doing is the best way.
I'm sure he did it just to help someone in need.

That is what we do here, if we can help, we will.

We all needed help with are business and we
always will.

Never forget that, so help people when you can!

Nice post,

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blogonator

It is really nice of you to acknowledge his assistance with a massive thank-you. In todays fast paced digital world, people tend to forget favours quickly than they forget their girlfriends! Pat on the back for you sis

Hasta la WinVista, Baby!

mistyone

Hey thanks guys for your input to this thread and for the great comments you have made.

I hope we hear of other Warriors who have received a kindness and how they repaid it, but as Bill said, that is what Warriors do here, but I wanted to acknowledge it as well

Kudos to you all

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BizBoost

(UPDATE: This thread has since been moved to the appropriate forum section)

Hi MistyOne,

You asked, so I'm answering. I don't think the way you did it is the way you should have done it for the following reasons:

1. This can easily be gamed. Two people can now make plans where one thanks the other for some incredibly generous deed, thus getting him/her a flood of business.
2. There's plenty of us who have selflessly helped other warriors. That doesn't mean we deserve FREE ADVERTISING in the form of a testimonial in the section meant for "internet marketing information."
3. There's already a "Thank You" process by clicking the Thank You button under a helpful person's post. Perhaps its effectiveness is not up to your speed or liking, but it's the site owner's approved method for thanking other warriors and it exists for a reason. Believe it or not, I actually check how many thanks certain people get as it really does tell me something.
4. Thanking someone in this forum seems, to me, anyways, to be off-topic. In my humble opinion, I believe it belongs, in the very least, in the off-topic section.
5. What if I have 10 Warriors to thank? And they have 10 Warriors to thank? And so on, and so on...

I think this thread should be deleted or, in the very least, moved. Not because I don't like it but because it seems to violate a protocol and, tacitly, invites anyone else who wishes to do the same.

Nice story, though.

VegasVince

I have repaid many a good, kind female warrior.....via hot, sweaty....barter...aka.. "springy mattress action".

And the best part is....if "the act" requires more then one hour of my time.... and we discuss any type of "business" under the sheets..........I can legally write it off on my taxes as a legitimate business expense.





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Jeremy Kelsall

BizBoost,

I think you are way off base here.

Do I know it for a fact? No, but as long as we are making accusations, what the hell, right?

If you will look at the profile of the member she is thanking you will see that it is a member that has been here since 2007 and in my over a year here I've never even seen them post (in this section anyway).

I find it highly unlikely that this is some publicity stunt as you are trying to imply.

Thomas Wilkinson

I recently went through a kind of down time and was looking for a way
to change the pattern. I decided I wasn't "paying it forward" nearly
enough and went on a tear to correct it. Sure enough that did the trick.
Karma works in the cyber world just as well as the "real" world and I'm
sure Yikes knows that too. Reputations, good and bad, get built and
get noticed on here. Just pass it on, Misty, and on, and on, and on.

Tom

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mistyone

Thank you for your very interesting points BizBoost unfortunately most of what you have said I don't agree with but that is what this forum is all about isn't it, it's about having the right to voice your opinion

I voiced mine and you have voiced yours

BHVault, VegasVince, Jeremy and Thomas you have accepted what I have said in the grace in which it was said, a genuine feeling of gratitude and some humour attached

I would still love to hear others stories, so long as this thread is kept alive!

Viv

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artwebster

While BizBoost makes some good points I think that he was just a little harsh.

There is a major problem, though, for those of us who are at the receiving end of almost boundless generosity because 'thank you' seems so limp.

Since I am currently living on the charity of friends and the benevolence of a superb landlady who could have evicted me months ago, all I can offer people is unspoken IOUs. Sometimes I am lucky and meet someone even I can help but I don't think that I deserve any special thanks for that - it is part of what I owe everybody and my balance sheet is not for public consumption.

You acted according to your lights, Misty, and for that you can not be criticised or maligned but, as a wise old sage keeps telling me - no good turn goes unpunished even if what goes around comes around and karma rules.

I believe in karma just as I believe in being true to myself.

You might not like what I say - but I believe it.
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mistyone

Thank you for sharing your story Artwebster, I think that there are many more of the same out there and it will continue to grow until the economy recovers.

I feel the same as you, where a simple thank you, doesn't seem to come anywhere near what you have received.

YiKeS understood my situation, after I explained it and showed his kindness and this was my way of being able to repay it, there was never any collusion, scheming or ill intent intended as a matter of fact he could be quite horrified by what I have done but as I have said this forum is about sharing and voicing your opinion, which we all are doing

Keep the stories coming!

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Harvey.Segal

MistyOne,

A new forum ruling has been implemented as of today insisting that
any expression of thanks can only be done via the Thank You button
and not via a posting.

Any violation will result in an infraction.

As a result, unfortunately, I am forced to give you an infraction for this post.

Harvey

mormel

Hi Mistyone,

You only mean good, but Bizboost has a point. In my country (the Netherlands) we have a saying: do well and don't look back. Which means that you should do good without any asking for rewards or thanks.

Good deeds should be done in silence. And for that matter: so should thanking somebody.

Maybe the person you thank so loudly would have appreciated it more if you would have kept all of this quiet. Because there are silent dogooders everywhere, like the landlady of Artwebster and many others. Thank them in private.

Because when you expose their good heart, it might be eaten by vultures: they wait everywhere to take advantage of any kind of weakness. Like pity, humanity and selfnessless.

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BizBoost

Hi Jeremy, you are talking about something else that I never said. I did not accuse anyone of gaming anything. I merely said that this activity is not good for the forum because not only is there a THANK YOU BUTTON as the APPROVED method by the powers-that-be, but that the method MistyOne used CAN be gamed.

Imagine that, though.... you typed all that, thinking I was wrong, and it was you who read something of your own into what I'd actually said.

Hi Viv, they're enablers. There's nothing to disagree with in my points, they are all facts:

1. Your method of giving FREE ADVERTISING to people for acts of kindness not only can EASILY be gamed, but
2. There's already an APPROVED method for thanking people built into this forum, and
3. How many MORE of these FREE ADVERTISING AS A WAY OF THANKING SOMEONE type posts should Warriors have to endure in the section of the forum that is meant for Internet Marketing Education?

You can't disagree with any of that. It's not opinion. It's fact. Just because a handful of others became warm and fuzzy about your initial post doesn't mean it belongs here.

Many warriors have done good deeds for other warriors and they don't get to have their own thank you threads. They can't even put such a thank you in their own signature to show up on their own individual posts yet this is a whole thread that keeps getting bounced up.

I'm truly surprised this has been allowed to stay. It means we can all do it now and the Thank You Button really means nothing. I'll have to keep that in mind.

Please be specific, Art. Because I think people who call others harsh, without being specific, are harsh themselves... men with heroic fantasies charging in on imaginary white steeds to save a damsel in distress.

Well, then, since it's in fashion, why not start a new thread about your landlady. After all, she's indirectly helping your IM ambitions. And, if MistyOne can do it, so can you. So can I... and anyone else here. Or am I mistaken?

Hi Ed, interesting philosophy. For the record, I don't care if she thanks the guy but she's openly declared that, in return for a favor, she is ADVERTISING someone in the education section. It not only doesn't belong here, but if it's allowed, in practice, instead of the THANK YOU button, which has been the approved method, then what's to stop others from doing it? And why shouldn't they be allowed to if she is?

Rules should be uniform. Applied fairly across the board. The stick post says that all members are moderators and I have no interest in playing "bad guy" here, but I stated factual reasons as to why the post should, in the very least, be moved.

If someone should disagree with me again, be specific. I listed 3 points just now, and 5 earlier. Tell me with which you disagree.

Eric

Jeremy Kelsall

Eric,

I'm not going to get into quoting parts of your thread and replying to them individually...

But, you make statements such as

"game the system"
"nice story though"

Basically, you are or were implying that the OP wasn't telling the truth. If you weren't then your reply had no business in this thread and it was OFF TOPIC.

If you are going to be so cynical, maybe you can just stay out of the "feel good" threads?

TMG Enterprises

BizBoost, your post did come across as somewhat disbelieving of the OP. That may not be your intention at all but the last line and smilie with a wink really did seem to confirm that.

I have to admit that BizBoost has a point in one way. I don't doubt that MistyOne has good intentions with her post and I know Yikes can be a very helpful guy so it doesn't surprise me to hear of it.

However, I can see a certain element in here latching on to this and doing exactly what BizBoost says. It usually is just a few bad apples that sour the barrel.

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D.K. Magnus

Funny I thought this was the review section.

While she did tell a story about her circumstances and YikeS generous response and thanked him, she also gave a review of his services.

I've seen people thanked in here more than once for offering a product that goes above and beyond.

So a review of sevices shouldn't be offered in the review section?



I've gotten flamed for not jumping on the band wagon, for a product that was being discussed in this section before.

I was accused of being negative, while posting in a section set aside for product reviews. Maybe this section should be eleminated.


By the way, thanks Jeremy for offering such a good product.

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TMG Enterprises

You know what? You are absolutely right.

For some reason, I thought this was posted on the general forum. Not sure if I'm seeing things or it got moved, but I totally withdraw what I was saying above.

It certainly should be acceptable to do in the review section.

My apologies.

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BizBoost

(Note: though this conversation continues, the thread has since been moved from the area where it originated.)

No, of course not. Instead, as you did in this reply, you'll quote only parts of my thread and present them void of context. That's why I asked that if anyone respectfully disagreed to at least be specific about it or else why disagree?

My presence might be new here but not only have I been around marketing online for quite some time, and helped a good many people, but I do believe I'm part of those referred to in the statement, "the members are moderators", so for you to twist what I said and to suggest I was being disingenuous is really rude, actually. Is that the price one pays for suggesting that it's a bit over-zealous (and unfair to other warriors), and definitely exploitable, to repay a kind deed with a large FREE ADVERTISEMENT in the main internet marketing section?

I used to be a bit surprised that people twisted words, took them out of context, and interpreted them in the worst ways, until I began coaching people. Because here's PRECISELY what I'd said... quite a bit different than your ripping out 5-6 words and changing half of them:

What I REALLY said was:
I never said she was gaming the system. And if you think it was implied, you should OWN it as your personal, unverified interpretation. But to take that statement, which factually states a possibility, and is a genuine argument from a "member attempting to moderate", then twist it to suggest I am accusing her of lying, is completely slanderous and shameful, actually.

By saying "nice story", i meant it. And was trying to end on a light-hearted note by still acknowledging her kindness in spite of the above. If you don't believe that, that's fine, but don't tell me what I meant. That's not the price anyone should pay for sincerely trying to moderate.

Thank you for being specific. Simply exercising the role of a member attempting to moderate, I would have no way of defending/explaining something without knowing exactly what it is with which someone disagreed.

In this case, I was honestly not trying to be clever, or imply anything untoward, with that wink. I was actually trying to end on a light-hearted note.... that even though I thought FREE ADVERTISING in the main education section as a repayment of kindness didn't belong there, that I could still acknowledge it was a nice story.

But what a lesson I got today.

In daring to make the case that someone's feel-good attempt a) doesn't belong where it was ; b) usurped the approved 'thank you' system here; and, c) was potentially exploitable/abuseable by anyone else who figured they could do similarly, I had several people twist my words out of context, or take certain things to IMPLY something as if this was really some kind of "reality show" drama and I had nothing better to do than deny a kind lady her day in the sun.

What I stated was straightforward. A wink smiley is meant to lighten something... the sarcasm smiley is meant to suggest sarcasm. But, don't you think it's a little weird that it should come to this when all I did was make the case for a few stated rules.

If you took my argument at face value and checked out my "Thank You" rating, you'd see the ratio suggests that the bulk of my time here has not been spent denying nice ladies their right to express gratitude. (is it ok to simply wink now? )

Would have been lovely if you said just that. It summed everything up nicely. What you wrote prior to that was just your interpretation of one line and a friendly wink, and, even though you're entitled to it, it was wrong.

Ok, I could say one of the following:

1. Hi DK, this thread was originally posted in the main section which is for internet marketing education and simply making the case for it being exploitable and in the wrong place brought a few people out to twist my words and criticize me as someone trying to deny a kind lady the right to express herself. So, it's in the right place now; or

2. D.K., as far as critical thinking goes, why didn't it occur to you that this thread might have originated in a different section and was just moved here?

Which do you prefer? (friendly wink coming )

In my early online years, I learned that, no matter what, there were always going to be people who criticized and people who twisted and people who misinterpreted and then try to spread their interpretation as if it were the gospel truth.

So be it. My original arguments are all straightforward facts... and, for those who know the difference, they were devoid of opinion.

Best wishes to everyone,
Eric

Jeremy Kelsall

Eric,

Obviously, you are right dude

You know how I know? Because you type so many words to prove your point

Congrats man, you win!

D.K. Magnus

Eric,

If this thread was posted in a different forum, it does change my opinion of your criticism.

I ASSumed it originated here. It is a habit I'm trying to break.

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BizBoost

Thanks, I love winning. And you're a big man to admit it. In all seriousness, I made a few valid points and that was it. Lots of words are needed when lots of twisting is going on... if I didn't care, I would have just walked away.

No problemo, Dar... I'm all about the love, brother. We's just havin' a big ol' family feud.

To your success,
Eric

TMG Enterprises

Eric,

Please don't put words in my mouth anymore than you want it done to you. If you notice in the quote you used of my post, I said that it came across that way not that you intended it to be that way. I actually never thought you were accusing the OP of gaming the system but I could see where others were getting the impression.

Everyone needs to remember that the written word is much easier to misinterpret with the lack of tone that comes with the spoken word.

I will say this - and yes, I own this opinion - you have mentioned your thanks level at least twice now. Do you really think this is an accurate measurement? Too many people hit the thanks button for completely erroneous posts for me to take it without a very large pinch of salt. I also know personally a few warriors who have low thanks levels but are some of the most helpful people on this forum.

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mistyone

Thank you Admin for shifting my thread to the appropriate section.

I am mortified by the result of my action and I have sent a PM to the member who has, by my actions, been involved through no fault of his own and apologised as sincerely as I possibly can. I never meant to tarnish his good name nor to exploit the forum for personal gain, I just wanted to repay a kindness.

Thank you to all of you who contributed your opinion and as I said right from the beginning, I had a story to tell and I wanted to hear others, that is all.

I would appreciate, Admin, if this thread could be closed, as I feel very embarrassed by it.

Viv

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BizBoost

Hi Tina,

Here is EXACTLY what you said:

You said it "may not be" my intention, but then you say the last line "really did seem to confirm that." What kind of double-speak is that? It's merely "uncertain" that was my intention but you thought it seemed "confirmed"....

I see where the disconnect happened, though...

In your first reply, you were attempting to sound objective and speak, generally, for how my words might be perceived. But, it sounds as if that's what you believe... that you weren't certain of my intention but my last line seemed to confirm things.

It would have been perfectly clear if you had just said that. "I don't think your intending that for the OP, but I can see where others might." How simple and understandable that would have been.


Sure, there are exceptions, and you have noted some... but, yes, I do believe the "thank you count" counts for something... especially when you have some with obvious experience who, in a very short period of time racks up a significant "thanks-to-posts" ratio.

I don't find people erroneously thanking people. I find people FORGETTING to thank people. It says something that they aren't forgetting to thank me.

And I do not bring up that statistic erroneously. I only brought it up twice when my sincerity and intent were questions. Which is a perfect time to bring up such a statistic.


Best wishes,
Tina

Viv,

If you notice, I did not attack you, or malign you personally in my initial post. In fact, not at all. But I made a simple case against the activity for VERY sound reasons, and why it should, in the very LEAST be moved to another part of the forum.

You had the opportunity right there and then to respond to what I said with sincerity. Instead, you gave the old by-line, "you've shared your opinion, and I have shared mine", as if that's really something someone needs to be told. It completely dismissed the argument and allowed everyone to go on as if you were some kind of poor victim.

But you weren't... with GOOD INTENT, you tried to repay someone's kindness with a FREE AD in the main internet marketing education section.

A simple, "Ooops, sorry! Didn't realize it!" or "Didn't mean it" would have ended it all.... instead, you dismissed it, allowing a couple others to go on with their heroic defense of you... remembering I never attacked you, personally and never insulted you.

This all could have been avoided. All I did was make the case for why this should be disallowed, or moved.

That shouldn't be too hard to digest.

Best wishes,
Eric

Jeremy Kelsall

Eric,

Stop making her feel like she did something wrong. Enough is enough. Up until a short time ago, I really thought that you were just trying to get your point across. Now I realize that you are just trying to prove to everyone that your right. Save it for the playground.

It could have all been avoided if you would have done what a member moderator is supposed to do and clicked the report post button if you thought the post was inappropriate.

Instead you pointed out everything that the post "could be" instead of seeing it and accepting it for what it was.

Bottom line is you are just getting ridiculous now.

Viv,

Don't let one guys lack of good judgment stop you from sharing your positive experiences here.

Jeremy

BizBoost

Hi Jeremy,

It must not have been obvious to you but this was over until you brought it up again with another accusation and attempt to play hero. I said more than once that her good intent was obvious but she is the one who dismissed some simple original points that never insulted her... and, in doing so, it allowed folks like you to continue with your hero fantasy.

Why do you continue to defend her when I'm not attacking you. This is a discussion forum... it started as a simple, honest discussion until she defended her right to do what she did and you treated the situation as if she was a victim.

Jeremy,

My only mistake is tarnishing myself by going round the mulberry bush with a victim-mentality and it's enabler.

After my first post which made a simple case that such behaviour could, potentially, be exploited, and that, in the least, it should be moved, she dismissed it... you defended her, and now, she's MORTIFIED...

big bad me, huh? She's MORTIFIED.... gosh, I've really done it now.

If, instead of feeling she was perfectly entitled to repay kindness with a FREE AD in the IM education section, and dismissing my genuine concerns as "mere opinion", you worsened the situation by taking fragments of my original post out of context.

I've insulted no one. I've attacked no one. And I refuse to allow someone to mischaracterize my actions as such when my first reply is but a simple example of a "member moderating" to, hopefully, avoid such "good intentions" from going astray.

You want to continue this? Be my guest... but don't suggest I stop when you can't.

Best wishes anyways,
Eric

YiKeS

G`day,

it`s all good Viv ... mista bizboost can be summed up with this ...

Hey Flippers... Gotta A Question For YOUSE.

If bizboost had taken the time to check my site, he would`ve
seen a big fat UNDER CONSTRUCTION sign on the front page
... you have a nerve even suggesting "gaming" ... and bizboost,
you didn`t even answer the question asked by the OP either.

`bout time you pulled your head out of your opinion around here mate ...


YiKeS

BizBoost

Oh well, the let the joy continue...

In relevant threads, I have warned people about the intellectually challenged that dominate the internet marketing hallways. And here, we have another perfect example:

I never said Viv was gaming anything. I said that if REPAYING A DEBT OF GRATITUDE WITH A FREE ADVERTISEMENT IN THE MAIN FORUM WAS ACCEPTABLE, THEN IT COULD EASILY BE EXPLOITED (aka gamed).

Why is that too hard for you to digest?

Would a moderator PLEASE close this thread. No one who has entered in the past few posts has had anything honest, or constructive, to add...

Jeremy Kelsall

Eric,

I'm hoping admin will leave the thread open so you can continue to make an ass of yourself

You say that your not attacking anyone -- But your posts come across each and every time like you are trying to one up people. Also, you continue to try to get digs in where you can.

I await your upcoming "book" reply.

BizBoost

Hey, Jeremy, nice to see you again. I'm surprised your back. You had nothing constructive to add for your prior 3 posts so I thought you'd be done by now.

Reducing this to a game of one-upmanship shows what a profound misunderstanding you have when it comes to a person defending their honor against people who don't even have the stamina to read the full length of what they're criticizing, or the sincerity to quote precisely with what they disagree.

Early on, I asked you to be PRECISE when making such a low-brow accusation, and you said you didn't have the time. Yet you still posted 3 words out of context and made up a meaning for them.

Anyways, in a bizarre way, I can't help but learn valuable marketing lessons from such exchanges when I see a few people like you running in and out of a thread like this to take your potshots and then complain when you don't get the desired the result.

So, what would you like me do Jeremy? Should I apologize for something specific? Should I let you get the last word in? Should I allow you to characterize my words any way you wish and not reply? Should I keep my replies to less than 4 paragraphs?

What would you like, my friend?

Eric

YiKeS

Hmmm ... no need for the thread to be closed whatsoever ... you
have an obvious "set" against me or MistyOne so the Mods can sort
YOUR arse out ... not the thread ... it`s you polluting the thread.

... and kindly DO NOT PM ME AS I ASKED


YiKeS

BizBoost

Yikes, you're your own worst enemy.

I did not contact you first. You pm'd me with a rude statement and said you weren't going to get into a "p*ssing contest"... but, you did, because you then gave me a weak infraction for a legitimate conversational post and then came back here to rant a little more.

So, I can't take you at your word anymore.

As for your assertion that I have something against you and Mistyone. Hardly. That's more of the same nonsense I received from a very small handful of others in this post... they didn't even read my original reply which expressed concern as to whether PAYING A DEBT OF GRATITUDE WITH A FREE ADVERTISEMENT IN THE MAIN SECTION OF THE FORUM (where this originated) WAS POTENTIALLY EXPLOITABLE.

You see, anyone who REALLY wants to know the truth can just go see the 2nd post in this thread for themselves. Unlike you, who just jumped in at the very end and either didn't read the exchanges, or didn't do a very good job of it.

Now, I only replied to you in PM because you wrote an unsolicited insult to me. You are the one that needs to stop.

Best wishes, in any case,
Eric

YiKeS

This isn`t a pissing contest ..

... if it was ... I`d have the whip out and be
flogging the same dead horse your flogging

Ohh yer .. thanks for pointing out I gave the previous
infraction on the wrong post ... how silly of me


YiKeS

BizBoost

There'd be no horse to flog if you knew what this thread was about. Instead, you're trying to play hero over a perceived insult that never occurred.

But, suit yourself... you're a unique looking chap and I think the world is a lot safer with you trolling the forums.

Eric

Jeremy Kelsall

Eric,

You truly are an ass.

After what started in this thread, I looked over a couple of your other posts and you are judgmental and abrasive in a large majority of your posts.

Not to mention the fact that you obviously feel that the fact that you feel as though because you have a few thanks that you are some sort of "god" -- Let me know if you want to feel a little more holy and I'll sell you a couple.

I don't think I've ever seen someone here that has been so insulting and arrogant.

I've got a list of your comments that you've posted in this thread and others that I will be sending to Allen here in a couple minutes so that he can see exactly what kind of member you are.

BizBoost

First of all, you're entitled to your opinion, but cyberstalking and publishing your opinion of my overall performance is none of your business. It constitutes harrassment. I am not violating TOS. I just have a sharing/teaching style that has a WIDE range from very gentle, to very blunt.

And, frankly, considering your complete inability to comprehend the message in the second post, your admonition is suspect anyways. You've had a chip on your shoulder ever since you first commented here and I put you in your place for not only not being specific, but for having completely mischaracterized me by taking tiny snippets out of context.

Really, I'm just keeping this to this thread, but you're starting to lose your composure and are running around looking for whatever you can to throw at me. Why don't you just run along and go find something that makes you happy?

I understand your need to vindicate yourself since your initial entry into this thread was a little clumsy, but continuing to attack me when you were at fault from the very start is not going to be productive.

For example, you refer to my mentioning my "thank you count"... what you fail to realize is that I don't run around mentioning that arbitrarily. I have only mentioned when someone, mistaken as yourself, questions my helpfulness. Apparently, the owner of the forum thought the "Thank You" button meant something or they wouldn't have added it. So, if you're questioning my integrity, I'm going to point you to my "Thank You" count.

It's reprehensible that you should even be concerned about that. I honestly feel as if I got dragged into an episode of "Rock of Love" and I'm waiting and hoping for the moderators to close this thread, for your sake... unless maybe some of them are mildly amused. I don't know, but I'm not going out of my way to cyber-stalk or harrass or insult you. I'm just not buying your line of bs about what you think about me.

Well, try looking in the mirror, Jeremy. I'm not going to sound like a faerie princess when it comes to defending my integrity against a serial word-twister like you. All anyone has to do is go look at the 2nd post in this whole thread and see that there is not only no attack or insult, but that there is a list of GENUINE concerns about how such a precedent could ultimately be gamed.

If you're still having trouble digesting that, I'm sorry, but I wish you the best, anyways.

Yes, there are 2 threads, in total where there was some dissension. In one, there was a fellow who is directly insulting... he literally calls people names like, "Bonehead"... I hope you included that in your cyber-stalker list.

You see, what's shameful about your behavior is that there is a PROCESS here if you have a complaint. But, instead, you come in here like a dozen times screaming like a banshee... and when you do not get some magical result you're hoping for, you cyber-stalk me in other threads, package up what I'm sure will be a very limited number of manipulatively selected posts and then you're going to ship them off to Allen.

Like he needs the headache.

I honestly hope he's fair-minded and tells you that if all this bothered you so much, you only needed to stop responding about 5 posts ago. You're the instigator. I'm just responding because I don't like your cyber-stalking and mischaracterizing me.

Maybe my staying power and willingness to meet each challenge is irritating to some, but there's no doubt that I've helped people here and I'm only responding to your challenges, not instigating.

Best wishes, Jeremy,
Eric

YiKeS

Your absolutely correct ... no horse, it`s actually a tiny
little pony your flogging and your really making a fool of
yourself but hey ... knock yourself out princess

If I knew what the thread was about? lol ... Let`s
see ... apparently MistyOne posted a question asking
how YOU would repay a fellow warriors kind deed.

... and you STILL haven`t answered that question ...
and ohh look ... she even asked at the end to ...

"Tell us how you repay a fellow Warriors kindness"

That`s what this thread is about ... you are off-topic
and verging on psychotic harrasment ...

I will give you an infraction every time you post in this
thread if you continue with this pedantic childish nit-picking
of "he said - she said" ... honestly, I left the playground 30
years ago time to join the adults kiddo.


So now your trying to tell me how I perceive things?


A troll? lol ... man I`m gonna laff about that fer months ..


YiKeS

BizBoost

It says in the sticky area that MEMBERS moderate the forums. Because you are unaware that this thread ORIGINATED in the MAIN section of the forum, you do not realize what any of this is about so you continue on ignorantly.

Anyone who reads the 2nd post in this thread can see for themselves that I had only expressed legitimate concerns.

Perhaps you can answer the question for everyone to see:

1. Should all warriors be allowed to repay a debt of gratitude by posting a FREE AD in the Main Section for the person who helped them?

I am glad you are now on record as having threatened to abuse the infraction system with frivolous infractions. After all, if you write a message to me, who are you to say that I have no right to answer?

In fact, your harrassment of me with such claims constitutes a genuine infraction. And, I think I'll go give it to you right now.

I'm glad this is on record, as well as your harrassment and cyber-stalking.

Cheers..




So now your trying to tell me how I perceive things?




A troll? lol ... man I`m gonna laff about that fer months ..


YiKeS[/quote]

Jeremy Kelsall

Eric,

First of all, don't try to "educate" me about the rules here...

I know them. However, I don't think you do. As a member moderator, if you did not think this thread was appropriate, you are to use the report thread button. Is that process simple enough for you or would you like me to make a video with Camtasia to break the process down for you?

NOWHERE in the forum rules is there any language that gives you the right to be a arrogant and disrespectful person.

Also, thanks for the infraction because i'm "stalking you". Eric, are you ****ting me? I think this is the only thread that I've ever posted in where you have been involved. For all of your boldness and **** talking you could at least have given me an infraction for something like calling you an ass instead of some fake "stalking" that you are having fantasies about.

You gave me an infraction - I sent an email to Allen to have him check out a couple of your posts and your behavior on the forum. Obviously, we are not going to agree on anything. We will let the powers that be sort it out.

BizBoost

Let's see if you can notice the irony. You're lecturing me about using the report post button yet you have been cyber-stalking me and harrassing me, threatening to turn in a questionable list of selective posts to Allen because you've run in here a dozen times to give me a hard time?

That is supreme irony... you not only don't use the button but act like a madman, with Yikes, stalking and harrassing me and, because I posted a short list or legitimate concerns, you're telling me I should have used the "report post" button?

I truly hope your behavior in this matter is not condoned.

You've returned to this thread to twist my original post and harrass me on each occasion with your negative, unsolicited opinion, and you expect me to sound pleasant and treat you with kid gloves? You really need to check your ego at the door, Jeremy. You come in to harrass, I simply respond. I'm not the one chasing after you and bundling up some of your posts in order to vindicate myself.

That's your thing, not mine. I'm doing my best to remain cordial and if I happen to sound a little unpleasant in one corner of my post, and don't regard you with high accolades for you intransigent behavior, you'll have to please forgive me. I'm just not used to being cyber-stalked, harrassed and threatened.

Yes, you're stalking. You entered this thread and questioned my integrity. I defended it adequately and you haven't let it go ever since. It might be one thread but you just keep flying back on in here to attack, insult and give your negative opinion of me every chance your little fingers get.

In any case, I hold no ill will against you... at worst, it can be said that I should have just ignored you a while back but I've not gone out of my way to give you a hard time as you have for me...

Cheers,
Eric

Jeremy Kelsall

Let me respond to this way - Hell, maybe if I type up 1000 words you might actually get it. I doubt it, but what the hell, I'll give it a shot

Irony in what? I've reported each and every one of your posts in this thread that I thought were inappropriate. Hopefully, the people that are flooding my inbox thanking me for pointing out the error in your ways will do the same and you will magically disappear.

Obviously, you don't know what irony is.

I'm harassing you? I simply pointed out that I thought you were being too hard on a member that was trying to express her appreciation for another warrior that helped her out. It is you who went off the deep end like a crazy man that forgot his medication at home. Maybe you should re-read the thread?

The powers that be will decide my fate Not you. Fortunately for me, you are not as important as your own mind tells you that you are.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but YOU were the first person to wander into this thread with "negative and unsolicited opinions". As far as kid gloves go? I could care less how you treat me. We are not the same kind of people. I have no desire to be your friend or do business with you now or ever, in any capacity. So, what you think of me and how you treat me doesn't amount to a hill of rat turds.

What do I need to vindicate myself from? Because I stated that you were being too hard on the original poster? At which time you felt the need to educate us on the rules of the forum as if you wrote them or something? As far as bundling posts -- they deserve to be bundled. In 2 separate threads tonight, you have harassed members of this forum. Hell, in the other thread you even stated that you did it "intentionally" or was that a typo?

If your definition of cordial is insulting, arrogant, and acting like a spoiled brat -- Your integrity is intact. Again with the stalking, eh? Please point out one other thread on this forum that I have shared with you.

How many times can you say stalking in one post? Are you trying to rank for it in the search engines or something? Try bolding it a couple times -- maybe that will do the trick I never questioned your integrity at least not the same way you did the original posters. Guess, this is kind of like the pot calling the kettle black?

dooogen

it's good to see people helping each other out here. helps build the community.

BizBoost

The only one not getting this is you. I noticed you were written up by Lewis Turner, of all people, you insulted him? My gosh...

Anyways, I'm going to put this matter to rest right now. Anyone can go back and read my original post. It was a list of a few legitimate concerns about what could happen if suddenly people are allowed to post FREE ADVERTISING in the MAIN forum as a way of thanking someone.

You then CLEARLY responded as if you thought I was accusing both MistyOne and Yikes of a publicity stunt. Never once did I say or imply that... only that if such activity was tolerated it would be ripe for gaming. Here's the points in question and your EXACT reply:


Your reply:

So, if you continue to characterize this whole affair as if I accused anyone of anything, then I'm just going to have to consider you daft. I'm not saying you are. I'm just going to think you are.

You mean there are floods of others who lack the self-control to stay out of a thread they don't enjoy? I'll bet you not one of them can share a precise moment when I insulted the O.P. in my original reply to her... and neither can you.

And, frankly, I doubt your inbox is flooded. Lewis Turner flagged you for being insulting so I can see you're no stranger to causing problems. You just can't admit you were wrong in attacking my integrity in the first place so your waging a petty war and reporting my replies to you as if you didn't instigate them. Frankly, that's sad.

After re-reading my original reply to the original poster and your original response to me, I see that I only expressed a legitimate concern for exploitation, that the original post was in the wrong area, and that there was already a thank you process that didn't include posting FREE ADVERTISING for someone.

You then accused me of implying that the O.P. and Yikes were attempting a publicity stunt. That's where you effed up royally.

You are just strange, Jeremy. I know I don't decide your fate. I merely hoped that your bizarre behavior is not, ultimately, condoned here. I honestly think you have bigger issues than just my little original post here.

I have since realized that you are not here to resolve issues, but only to create them. After your blatant mischaracterization of my short list as implying a publicity stunt between the OP and Yikes, I asked you to be PRECISE when making accusations.

I have been PRECISE in quoting you exactly to prove you are the ultimate culprit in this matter. You make an accusation and you have nothing to back it up. Isn't that odd? It should only take you 1 or 2 clicks to get all the proof you would need to back up your claim, were it true. But, you're a serial word-twister so furnishing precise quotes to back up your negative mischaracterizations would be counter to your aims.

On the contrary, you've been crying about it all night now. You just can't be honest about anything, can you? This is sad. I really feel for you, man.

Correction, you accused me of implying that the O.P. and Yikes were in collusion for a publicity stunt. I quoted it once. I can quote it again but, at this point, it's moot... you lack the integrity for an honest exchange on this matter.

No, you're a serial word-twister so I'm not surprised you got that wrong, too.

Thomas is notorious for insulting people and calling them names. He's got infractions for it, too. Well, he's done that to me here on several occasions but I sucked it up like a big boy because I'm not so thin-skinned.

Well, there was a thread in which I was legitimately interested in questioning something he had said. And I was perfectly willing to go the distance. He got irritated and while that wasn't really my goal, I told him it sufficed as payment for his earlier insults. It was not started for that reason, though, so I'm sorry if that upsets your vindictive, stalking harrassment game.

I shoud just refer to you as "serial word-twister" because you do it so naturally.

Stalking doesn't mean you have to chase me to multiple locations. Your continuing to come back here and furnish new negative opinions and attacks constitutes stalking just fine. I never did anything you said I did. You cannot furnish even one quote to back it up yet you come back with NEWS of my presence in another thread where Thomas, who calls people bonehead, and other names, is going round with me in a debate of HIS OWN FREE WILL?

And you think you're merely being a good boyscout? You're anything but... you're vindictive and stalking and harrassing me with your negative, unsolicited opinions.

So, I'll ask it again...

If you are going to accuse me of something, FURNISH THE SPECIFIC EVIDENCE, or try to shut your mouth because you're clearly not happy with me defending my integrity as any normal person would do against such bogus, unfounded claims as yours.

FURNISH THE SPECIFIC EVIDENCE that proves the original poster's integrity was questioned.

Otherwise, you're a liar... and a vindictive, harrassing, stalker who will stop at nothing to make his earlier lie seem true.

Wishing you the best, Jeremy,
Eric