jmk909er

I am considering trying Amazon Selling Machine by Matt Clark. It looks very good from everything I have been able to find online but is quite pricey around $1000. I have seen an older post on it but nothing new.

Has anyone out there tried this? Have you made money? Does it deliver as promised?

I have 2 affiliate websites for over a year now and have poured a lot of time and money in and have had dismal sales success and want to try something new.

If anyone has tried Amazon Selling Machine I would love to know your thoughts on this, thanks

kevinfischman

I've heard some mixed reviews about it. I personally wouldnt purchase it myself

jmk909er

Sorry the correct name is Amazing Selling Machine $100,000+ Per Month PROFIT By Partnering With Amazon To Sell Real Products On Auto-Pilot | The Amazing Selling Machine

cjshu99

I always wonder if these guys are making so much money doing this why would they want to let others in on it? And when do they have the time to put this together? Maybe its just a way to make a quick buck? And if they are making multi thousands a month, why dont they just price it at 50 bucks and let everyone in on it?

btw, I have Jim Cockrums proven amazon course also. My first suggestion is to search youtube. There are lots of good videos on selling on amazon and sourcing products.

kokester

I purchased and refunded. It is about selling ecommerce through amazon. When I purchased he broke the payments up but I wasn't impressed with what he offered for the price. No problem getting a refund from him.

1lov1

I'm sort of curious about this. I didn't think it has been sold yet as it so not sure if people are mixing it up with their last product ? I believe this new product Amazon Selling Machine is the final version/revamped methods to what they did in their product last year that was called Amazon Money Machines(which they call their beta product).

Only reason I looked at it was because a IM person I respect whose list I am and NEVER recommends anything is endorsing it and they are big time ecommerce players.

jmk909er

Yeah there has been a lot of confusion about it including my own, the official name is "Amazing Selling Machine" and I don't believe it it available yet other than beta testers

Tomas Lodén

Just did a little research and found this: ASM is going for $3,497 and the official launch date is tuesday, march 12th, 2013 and cart closes at midnight March 18th...(Just google and you´ll see this everywhere)..

lindasdd

I haven't been given access to the course, but as someone who uses Amazon as one of many sales avenues (>$300K in Amazon sales last year), I'm considering buying the course just to prove to myself that it is BS.

Either that, or as a long time seller via both FBA and in house fulfillment, I've really missed some important aspects of selling on Amazon because in my experience only sellers with deep pockets willing to live on crumbs generate any sales.

The video claims of massive sales volume and 50% margins are ridiculous. Any product that actually moves well normally already has 10 other sellers willing to sell barely over cost - or it will have that many sellers once the volume becomes anywhere worth bothering with.

Then again - as with everything - I'm not a wizard. There is a lot of stuff I don't know about or am not good at. Maybe they actually have found a loophole........nah.

EDIT: I took another couple seconds to watch their second video. Apparently they are promoting the idea of creating private label products. In that case, high margins are possible. Problem is most people want the known item / brand.

Guess I'll keep watching the videos as they appear. Maybe there is something worthwhile in there. ...maybe.

teelions

This was my thought too. If you're making 100k a month, isn't that enough? And why wouldn't you sell the system for $97 (or any other "7" ending number) just to let as many people in as possible? $3497 is too exclusive for me.

awww1some

My advice is to get Jim Cockrums course. I am not an affiliate of his. I am going to purchase it myself.

aaron_nimocks

The key behind this program is finding the right product which you can brand that will produce good margins. Then secondary is just writing good sales copy and properly promoting the product to rank high.

Obviously the hard part which will require multiple attempts at losing money to find the perfect product, if you ever do find it.

But if you do find a great product where you can brand it and then get it ranked high, of course you can make that kind of money. Just good luck finding this product. If it wasn't about that, then they would freely tell you which products they use.

Sayed

I don't think it is luck here... They put specific criteria to pick a product.. These criteria are in the free videos (also they supply a list of 17 hot products at the moment). I guess people with such free information will deliver huge value for this high price.

tommy13

Curious to see what the launch price is. If it happens to be $3497, then Frank Kern may be involved...

Eyetrap

The hardest part is going to be finding the right products that have lots of buyers and low competition.

Mlbinov8

is this the same one shoemoney and john chow are pushing on all of their posts this week?

uzomaeze

don't mind those two, they haven't tried it and they just go about trying to make some dough, in the end you will see a message from John saying " How I made over $1000 from The amazon ..... kit "

trust me you'll see that from him

JGK

I may be being naive but their seller central accounts really look like they are doing well? If you buy 1000 dog nail trimmers is the price cheap enough to make 50%? They must be doing something right if the numbers are true!

procapital

Actually, I think they are giving very good info on the free videos, enough for somebody to take a plunge although with some risk. My experience in my main business, tells me that some products you can private label in small amounts to test the market and still have some profit. Very interesting launch..

DWaters

This thread is a perfect example of why I love the WF. Lots of good information, including the potential price range. Thanks to those you who expressed their opinion and their insight about Amazon selling. I have watched the first three videos and read their PDFs and I feel like I have learned a lot and now I have learned more from this thread.

ChrisWF

We have the New Overhyped One:
Amazing Selling Machine for $3497

and we have the Old Proven One:
Proven Amazon Course for $347

The second one has a lot of Testimonials of Successful Students.

For me the choice is clear

Chris

P.S.
Great Thread

Educe127

Thats exactly what i was thinking!! In fact i'm saving money every paycheck for senuke xcr lifetime right now!! lol. AmazingSellingMachine IMO is way to overpriced. If your already making 6 figures a month, why would you sell your course so expensive? you would think they would give back to the community by teaching at a lower price because their already rich. I sense greed.

1lov1

I did talk to a well known IMer who is friends with product creators of this and no one has seen this product except for their beta testers. He said they have had beta testers achieve very big numbers(I wont give the exact numbers) but it seems they have developed an approach to be successful with amazon FBA rather than many stories you read about people trying FBA without much profit . This product comes with software too I guess.

Jerry Nielsen

Well, it looks like there are four choices:

• Amazon Training Academy (ATA) which appears to more about being an Amazon Affiliate. Price = $1.00 for a week and $37.00 there after.
• Amazon Money Machine (AMM) which appears to be the "beta" of Amazon Selling Machine (ASM). Price = $1000 with a 4 payment plan of $277.00.
• Jim Cockrum's Proven Amazon Course (PAC). Price - $347.00 one time payment.
• Amazon Selling Machine as mentioned above. Price = Rumored to be $3497.00.

All seem to be from well respected IMers. ATA and PAC have both gotten positive reviews on IMReportCard. AMM has only one grade on IMReportCard, a D.But that is from only one reviewer so I would take that with a grain of salt. The reviews on Warrior Forum have been uninformative as far as I can see.

I'll wait to see what the release price is before I buy. I hope there will be reviews from some after it launches for real, but I am going to take a good look a Jim Cockrum's PAC as the alternative to ASM if the price of ASM is that high. If you buy in to ASM, please let us know what you find!

Jerry Nielsen - iMarketOnMac

ChrisWF

Hi Jerry

congrats to your first post

Here is a little Tip if you want to buy PAC.

Jim had a special Price of $99 that is gone.
BUT, you can send him an eMail that you missed that offer and he most likley will let you in for $99.

Here is what he wrote in another Thread:

>drop me a personal email - I'll get you taken care of if you are interested. >jimcockrum(-at-)gmail.com

I've done that today and it worked

Enjoy and keep on posting
Chris

Jerry Nielsen

ChrisWF,

Many thanks for the tip and the welcome. If (as I suspect) ASM is going to be nearly $3,500.00, I am in with PAC. I have followed Jim Cockrum for years. He seems to stay very real with his followers. When I get in, I'll look for you in the PAC community.

I don't think there is anyone I would pay $3,500.00 to for an 8 week class, software, and community when a highly respected IMer like Jim Cockrum offers something similar for so much less. I'm sure somone will pay it, but it won't be me.

Jerry Nielsen - iMarketOnMac

CraigJones

Crikey!!! For $3500
I could take Amazon's Vice President, Marketing Manager and their buddies
out for a round of golf, cocktails and a steak dinner and probably end up with some
quality, current, "useable" information on how to build a successful business on Amazon.

$3500.... get real.

papeter

There are plenty of schmucks out there who'll pay this price.

jmk909er

Wow! I'm shocked with the $3500 price tag. I really wanted to do this but I'm priced out. Plus I'm getting hit with a 34% cut in take home pay in about 3 weeks because of the sequestration budget battle by the clowns in Washington. With a family of 5 and a price tag of $3500 there's no way.

Earlier in this thread Jim Cockrum's Proven Amazon Course (PAC). Price - $347.00 one time payment. was mentioned and I looked into it a little. Can anyone out there recommend if this is a good one or not or has tried it? Thanks.

ChrisWF

Read post #28 for a way to get that PAC course for $97.

You can get into the Amazing Selling Machine course for $997 and take a refund after 30 days.
That way you can get 2-3 weeks of the 8 weeks content.

Anyway, they have 3 PDFs with a lot of great Information:
Here are the 3 direct download links for the pdfs:
http://amazingsellingmachine.com/wp-...PSDownload.pdf
http://amazingsellingmachine.com/wp-...ortunities.pdf
http://amazingsellingmachine.com/wp-...rateScale1.pdf

Chris

tomtinney

Milla04,
Thank you for your review of Amazon Selling Machine! I respect your frankness and honesty!
Question:
I'm a newbie, so please endure my question.
Does Amazon affiliate marketing involve having a garage full of products to ship?
Thanks again!
tomtinney

jmk909er

Thanks Chris, do have experience with PAC?

SheraLee

I see Mark Ling & his sidekick Matt Carter are peddling the ASM FBA course, as if it's the best thing they've ever seen online.

The Amazon FBA has been around for a while now. If I was looking to purchase this knowledge, I would go with Jim Cockrum's Proven Amazon Course. If you are on his list, you will remember the special he had at Christmas for $99. He will likely still honor it if you ask. There is absolutely no need to pay $1000 or more for such knowledge.

Jim Cockrum is the most respected online and doesn't push stuff just to make a quick buck like most others do. He actually wants to give his readers VALUE, as well. If all the other IM marketers truly wanted to help their readers in this area, they would be affiliates for Jim Cockrum. But money seems to play a huge part in what is promoted.

panorama

I'd be very hesitant to pay $3,500 for this course as well. I look at their motivation for selling this course, and it just doesn't make economic sense if the strategy is as profitable as they say it is.

It seems to be a good business model, but if you crunch some numbers, it would be more profitable for them to keep this information to themselves, rather than selling it - even at $3,500.

Let's look at a couple of facts:

• Jason Katzenback says he makes over $100k profit per month with just 3 or 4 products.
• Matt Clark says he makes much more than this, with 80% of his revenue coming from just 5 products.

So, with this info, let's say one *good* product can earn $20,000 per month in profit. That's $240,000 in profit PER YEAR for every good product. Now, let's assume each member of Amazing Selling Machine provides $1,000 in (one-time) profit to them after affiliate commissions and other costs.

Keep that in mind for a moment. Now think about how many memberships they can sell at this price. 1,000? 2,000? I think those are high estimates, but let's say 2,000 memberships, with $1,000 profit each. That's $2.0 million dollars total one-time profit, right?

It would only take 9 *good* products to exceed that (9 x $240,000 = $2.16 million), and that would be ANNUALLY, not a one-time profit.

In fact, if it were me, I'd personally rather make $1.0 million every year, rather than $2.0 million once.

So, what's the conclusion here?

• Do they think they will be selling more than 2,000 memberships? I doubt it?
• Do they think finding 9 more *good* products will be too difficult? That's my guess.

What does this mean for the members paying $3,500 with the expectation of outsized profits? Remember, now you'll have hundreds/thousands of members pursuing the EXACT same strategy. There may be millions of products available on Amazon, but how many will this business model work with?

My guess is that the opportunity is much smaller than they are making it out to be - and that's without all these new members. That's why it makes sense for them to sell this course rather than keep the business model to themselves.

payne

Teelions, the way I see it this has nothing to done with benevolent love for our fellow human beings...its love for the almighty dollar...

Having to wait a month to generate 100K is...well a long time to wait If you sell a $3497 product and have 1000 people jump on the train, then the $3497 decimal point gets shifted to the right 3 places...

That's a quick $3,497,000 per 1000 people...(if I did the math correctly) for a couple weeks of work--that is 4 pre-launch videos...$175,000 in software cost..., 1 trip to France, etc...

Greed is a trickster that builds hopes and dreams out of thin air.

bullseyemarketing

Actually the price is about $4000 since I am sure most people that do buy this will take the payment option. $997 X 4 payments......

WhiteStarlight

It is the most expensive online marketing product I have ever seen. I thought it's price would be around 500-1000$, but actually it was a shock for me when I saw the price. I don't know whether the product is good, but the price of 3500$ seems like too much for me.

I also see additional costs here - like trip to Austin (where they will hold a live event), I guess after paying that much for the course you absolutely have to attend their live training.

What I don't like about the payment is that they don't have an integrated Paypal payment option (you have to contact support in order to do that).

Also I think that 30-day refund period might be a bit too low for that program (I think it should be 60 days), cause it will take some time to find a right supplier, ship the item to the Amazon and finally start selling.

Panorama actually got a great point in his post. There always should be a good reason for the price and for the time the offer is available.

But in overall I think that Amazon Fullfilment is a great idea.

Brantley

$3500 What a joke !!!

I can be trained by two mentors that everyone here knows that have an AWESOME reputation, for a month of 1 on 1, side by side coaching for less than that, and I could guarantee myself to be making money within 30 days.

And if not, I would gain enough skills,wisdom and knowledge that if I applied it, and I would, I could build a seven figure business within a year.

Problem is, I don't have that kind of money.....yet

AllanWard

I've just had a quick read of the pdfs that were posted here earlier which provide a pretty good overview of the system. My impression is that it all revolves around white-labelling your own product and then selling lots of them via Amazon. This can work well for products with a high demand and where you're able to white label them. By white labelling the product they believe you're able to achieve higher profit margins.

Of course, you need to ensure the quality of the product that you're selling so perhaps some types of products are more suited to this model. For example, there's not much that can go wrong with a spatula when compared to an electronic item. And I'd steer clear of any health-related product where you run the risk of being sued because you didn't know what ingredients where in the product you were selling.

The concern I have is that as long as you're selling a product that's easily replicable, you run the risk of competitors undercutting your price, eroding your high margins. And as long as the model involves you just sourcing the products from a wholesaler and then selling them through Amazon, there's nothing unique about your product.

To be fair the product creators suggest that you can gain an advantage if you promote the product well via Amazon and You Tube and they're right - this will enable you to stand out from competitors. However, there's nothing to stop other people from doing the same thing.

The overall strategy makes sense, but it really has little to do with the traditional IM product. This is all about selling a physical product via an online marketplace. I think the reason it's being promoted to the IM space is because people are looking for the magic way to make millions and this product promises that.

I still don't understand why these guys need to make a course about it and sell it. If they're making so much money, and want to make more, surely they're better off finding some more product opportunities on Amazon that they can white-label?

ScottLindsay

Great thread! Thank you everyone for all of the input.

I have been trying to decide if I should buy the course since it does have a 30 day money back guarantee. So really not much to risk especially if the info proves to be valuable.

However, I did have a concern that the course is an 8 week course. Does this mean it can only be accessed as they release it? I really don't like that. I would rather be able to see the course in its entirety and work it at my own pace.

I just spoke to their support staff and they said "Yes, it can only be accessed as we release the modules per week"

I really don't like that set up.

Can anyone tell me how Jim Cockrum's Proven Amazon Course is set up? Does it provide the same type of info and does it offer software to help run the business?

Thank you for the feedback!

Brian Hewitt

I had been meaning to unsub from a lot of lists and I will give this course credit for one thing...it has given me the kick in the pants needed to do so. I have unsubbed from everyone who mailed for this and let them know why. I would have thought that one of them would have at least offered a reach-around as a bonus.

rmoore

I bought it as soon as it was released.

I plan on building a 7+ figure physical product business and was looking for what I considered to be the best Amazon course.

Jason and Matt are stand up guys...and not only have they created significant incomes...they have a quite a few beta testers who have created a full-time income.

Honestly...some of the other courses sound good. I was just looking for the most direct path to hitting my goals.

So far have already met several other successful online marketers in the community forum. This mastermind is a great bonus.

-Rusty

ScottLindsay

Thank you for letting is know Rusty. What do you think of how they release the course gradually over 8 weeks? I would rather work at my own pace rather than stretch it out that long. Why are they doing this?

rmoore

Scott,

I think they are doing so to stop people from downloading everything and sharing on various sites, then requesting a refund, etc.

To be honest...I kind of like this pace anyway. I tend to jump the gun too quickly with big decisions. This way I will give my product and market ideas some time to incubate before dropping cash on suppliers, etc.

I think the price is absolutely fair for the product being offered. It certainly isn't for everybody, but for people who already know a few things about IM and have had some success...this is a no-brainer.

-Rusty

mahetze2123

Great thread here and funny ones too. The 30 day money back guarantee and The product being released as they go through the 8 week course is probably to ensure they keep as much of the $3500 sign-ups as they can. You see once you make it to day 31 ooooops....your past the refund mark and now you gotta own up and take the $3500 loss (if you change your mind). I'm sure there's a lot more costs above the product price tag so your going to drop some serious cash.
I'd look into other options as others have recommended above and AVOID "shiny object syndrome."

Goodluck

ScottLindsay

I have had very good success over the years in IM and have been full time for over 10 years. However, I rarely buy courses but the ones I have bought never live up to what they say. It just never makes sense to me why someone who is making this kind of income would share their "secrets" or even take the time to do this. I usually feel that they have done well at the opportunity but that things have died off and they can't grow beyond where they are. So, they look for another way to make money outside of the actual opportunity. I may be wrong but I have seen this done many times by internet marketers.

rmoore

mahetze2123,

Agree with you that people who tend to hop from one thing to the next should avoid this.

It isn't really fair to label this product in the category of "shiny objects".

This is a major business model being taught here.

I've been a full-time info product marketer for years and have always wanted to get into the physical product market. I never really saw a course that covered this in the detail I desired...until now.

I really doubt that Jason and Matt are trying to get one over on people. There is a large group of successful people in the info product space jumping on board here. We simply want to learn how to use some of our marketing skills to give us an advantage in the Amazon marketplace.

Both Jason and Matt come from the info product world and have successfully transitioned into doing well on Amazon. So for info marketers who have had some success...these are the right people to learn from.

This probably isn't the best thing for people who have not earned their first dollar online.

-Rusty

mahetze2123

The point of my post was not to "label" ASM with "shiny object syndrome" and if it was perceived that way those were not my intentions. But warriors, especially new to IM should be more educated on what their Investing in and do your research. At the end of the day everyone is responsible for their own actions and hey If you have the money and see value in the product do as you wish. And congrats to you on your success. My own opinion.

NEseO

Here is what I know...I purchased the course they came out with last year that they sold for $1k...was it worth $1k? Certainly not! I guess if you were complete newbie it would be helpful but still i think it was overpriced. It had a few gems but for the most part it was basic information most IM'ers know or know where to get it..especially for less than $1k. In addition the forum was super weak, I found it extremely difficult to find a product that you could make any margin on. Its like someone said above...its probably harder to find these "opportunities" then it is to put together and sell a high priced course.

Fast forward to this year and their new product...well a friend of mine asked Jason what categories are best to find these great products..after all he said there are thousands of opportunities and and it will NEVER get saturated. Now keep in mind my bud was asking for a primary category like Beauty or Electronics and there are only like 20-30 main categories in amazon. Well Jason wouldnt even say what category he has seen work well or ones that dont...I am sorry if there are so many opportunities why are you worried about saying here are a few that might be worth a go??? I mean these primary categories have thousand upon thousands of products...

So back to last time, it was 60 day refund policy and my guess is they got enough refunds so this time around they said hey we have to grab as much money as possible so lets make the refund policy less time then what it takes to really get the entire product this way by the time people see the entire course and come to the conclusion that its not worth $4k its to late for a refund.

Heck i could be wrong, maybe this is the greatest product ever made (but I swear I see that once every couple months lol) but experiencing what I got for $1k last time this is a definitely a no brainer...dont buy!

amuro

The price of over $3K is way too expensive and out of budget.

The minute I received an email from Greg Jacobs of his bonus to anyone buying through his affiliate link, I knew rightaway it is going to be a high-end product since he only endorses products of those category. I may be wrong but that is the impression he gave me based on his past promo emails.

From $997 and above.

I already have 2 Amazon courses. One is Affiliate Cash Snipers by Michael Rasmuseen and Mike Mograbi while the other is Ama Suite by Chris Guthrie and Dave Guindon released in this forum special offers - both last year.

So I don't see the point of investing in another Amazon course.