Does anyone even make money online without an email list?

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I have heard time and time again that the money is in the list. I have been an affiliate marketer for years and never felt the need to build an email list of subscribers because I promote over 1,000 different products. That would be a lot of email lists. Does most of your sales come from your list of subscribers? Please share
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  • Profile picture of the author arkina
    I don't think you have to have a list. I think it depends what you do. For example if you have an online store set up, a blog that is informative and keeps people coming back for more, or a product review site that gets lots of hits, then I think you can make money without a list. That being said, a list would not hurt your profits.
  • Profile picture of the author SterlingWebb
    Originally Posted by AndrewAdamSmith View Post

    I have heard time and time again that the money is in the list. I have been an affiliate marketer for years and never felt the need to build an email list of subscribers because I promote over 1,000 different products. That would be a lot of email lists. Does most of your sales come from your list of subscribers? Please share
    Does anyone? Well start with yourself...I hope you're not affiliate marketing 1,000 products and not making money :p

    But seriously, a list isn't needed but isn't hard to implement even if it isn't utilized properly.

    ~SW
    • Profile picture of the author skillfull
      A list is good to have but to make money of it you would need to target buyers
      which means focusing on a particular niche
  • Profile picture of the author JasonBennet
    I do know of people who are making a living by providing services and by doing the direct linking method. It is possible but it make more sense to build a list as it is more stable.
  • Profile picture of the author Meharis
    Originally Posted by AndrewAdamSmith View Post

    I promote over 1,000 different products.

    Promoting over 1000 products without list..?
    You're leaving lots of money on the table. That's for sure.

    Meharis
  • Profile picture of the author CyberAlien
    Originally Posted by AndrewAdamSmith View Post

    I have been an affiliate marketer for years and never felt the need to build an email list of subscribers because I promote over 1,000 different products.
    Let's say you've been an affiliate marketer for 3 years and have promote 1000 products, that's still less that one product per day. Remember, you aren't promoting all of them at the same time
    • Profile picture of the author SunilTanna
      Originally Posted by Chase Watts View Post

      Let's say you've been an affiliate marketer for 3 years and have promote 1000 products, that's still less that one product per day. Remember, you aren't promoting all of them at the same time
      Maybe he is.

      If he builds content sites on different topics for example.
  • Profile picture of the author KevinChapman
    I personally wouldn't suggest to anyone not to build a list but it obviously works for you and plenty other people I would assume.
  • Profile picture of the author entrepreneurjay
    Start and build a list it is really pretty silly not too.

    Even if you only use it to promote your newest blog posts, or product offers you will make a lot more money with an email list than without one.
  • Profile picture of the author troy23
    I've made thousands online without a list and still do each week.
    I had a list at one time, but I found people hardly opened emails after a while.
    Also I got many freebie seekers at the time as I gave a lot of free stuff like pdf's and videos each week.
    I removed the list some years ago and the sales keep coming.
  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
    Originally Posted by AndrewAdamSmith View Post

    Does most of your sales come from your list of subscribers?
    Yes, very much so. Almost all of them. I don't just mean 99% - it's a much higher proportion than that.

    I've found this very consistently, in all of my multiple niches and over many years, now.

    Like many thousands of other Warriors (in spite of some very rare alleged exceptions) I couldn't make a living without list-building.

    I do get people clicking on some product-advertising banners on my sites, but the people who click on them and buy the product are people who have been directed to that page by a link in an email I've sent them, after they've opted in at an earlier visit to the site. There are reasons for that.

    Very few people buy anything much at their first visit to a sales page, so one needs a way of keeping them going back to it. And most of the income in affiliate marketing (which is what I do) comes from making repeated sales of different products to the same people. Without list-building, one can't do either of those things! :p

    I think the last person with whom I had a long discussion in a forum-thread about selling ClickBank products with affiliate-links directly from a site/blog (no list) had had 4,000 clicks on an affiliate link, leading to a total of 4 sales of which 2 were refunded. I thought those figures were fairly typical. Some people disagree with me. But if you ask people who are making any significant money from ClickBank, as affiliates, they'll all tell you to build a list.

    There are a few hundred threads in this forum with titles similar to "What's The One Thing You'd Do Differently If You Were Starting Again Tomorrow?". Take a look through a small sample of them, and you'll find that one of the things they all have in common is that they're full of replies from long-established, successful Warriors almost all of whom give the same answer: the thing they'd do differently, with what they know now but didn't know when they started, is "start to build a list on day 1". There are reasons for that, and they're very good and very valid reasons.

    These posts/threads may help anyone interested ...

    What are the best ways to promote click bank products?
    Is it a good idea to spend some time on building a mailing list ?
    Without Building a List, How Consistent is Your Income from Affiliate Marketing
    What are the essential things to know about list building?
    Website or squeeze page


    There are a few (a very, very few!!) people here who even claim to have well-converting ClickBank affiliate sites without list-building, but when you look carefully at the other, unrelated stuff that those same people are saying, in other threads, almost none of it actually stands up to examination for a moment. Draw your own conclusions. :p
  • Profile picture of the author Adie
    Originally Posted by AndrewAdamSmith View Post

    I have heard time and time again that the money is in the list. I have been an affiliate marketer for years and never felt the need to build an email list of subscribers because I promote over 1,000 different products. That would be a lot of email lists. Does most of your sales come from your list of subscribers? Please share
    I've been making money online since 2005 consistently without a single email list. The reason? I hate sending emails as much as I hate receiving offers.... My clickbank and amazon authority sites doesn't have optin form but they are converting really well...
  • Profile picture of the author Fazal Mayar
    A list makes it easy to promote your products btw so i dont recommend not having one but of course, there are always people that find success without one out there
  • Profile picture of the author trader909
    got to agree...no list very hard to get sales..

    But it's not for every business.
  • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
    I build lists, but the majority of sales I make as an affiliate are without a list.

    It's not hard to get sales without a list if you know what you're doing.

    Many super affiliates we don't even know exist make millions without building lists.
  • Profile picture of the author maxjpip
    If you really want to know you need a list or not, try to do a split test since you need different plan for different niche. You might make more or less money with a list.
    • Profile picture of the author mrkitty
      Does anyone even make money online without an email list?
      Most people making money online are doing it without an email list.That's not to say having a list is good or bad, but the idea that you must have one, or that the money is only in the list is nonsense usually peddled by folks trying to sell you a product on list building..
  • Profile picture of the author sree94
    I have made hundreds of thousands of dollars online, and maybe five of those sales TOPS were from my email lists

    That said, I am currently working on developing a big, responsive list
  • Profile picture of the author John_3771
    Having a list definitely isn't mandatory, but it can be a very useful asset for an affiliate marketer especially if you're promoting a bunch of different products.
  • Profile picture of the author thedanbrown
    If you built a list from the traffic of every single one of your products you promote and then promoted those products and other products automatically via follow up over time then I'm sure you would be making a lot more money than you are now and you can promote any new product to your existing lists that would find it relevant

    You can even sell off clicks as a solo ad vendor, so many ways to monetize a list so ya I would say you are leavcing money on the table without a doubt
    • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
      Originally Posted by thedanbrown View Post

      If you built a list from the traffic of every single one of your products you promote and then promoted those products and other products automatically via follow up over time then I'm sure you would be making a lot more money than you are now and you can promote any new product to your existing lists that would find it relevant

      You can even sell off clicks as a solo ad vendor, so many ways to monetize a list so ya I would say you are leavcing money on the table without a doubt
      That's not proven.

      It's all about ROI

      Yes - you can make a lot of money with a list you cultivate.

      But you can make just as much or more as an affiliate without ever adding one subscriber to a list.

      And vice versa.

      It's all a matter of preference.

      I'm having my best year as an internet marketer.

      I've made more money in the first 7 months of this year than I have in my best full year (which was over $100K)...

      ... and I've made most of my money this year without a list.

      However I am building lists and the revenue from the lists are increasing gradually.

      But I love just straight up direct linking affiliate marketing with paid traffic.

      It's not for everyone, but there are super affiliates making BANK doing it and I like their style.

      To each his (or her) own
  • Profile picture of the author Shannonn
    Hi,
    I am new in the domain and do not have a lot of experience with this, but aren't your offers going to be considered spam when you send them to an entire list of people? Is this method as efficient as people want it to be?
    Thx
    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
      Originally Posted by Shannonn View Post

      aren't your offers going to be considered spam when you send them to an entire list of people?
      They're people who have given you permission, by "opting in", to send them email.

      (Though it's still true that if you send them spammy email and too many offers, some will still consider them spam, yes ... which is why list-building doesn't work nearly as well for people who send too many offers and/or "spammy" emails, even with permission).

      Originally Posted by Shannonn View Post

      Is this method as efficient as people want it to be?
      You'll have to ask people how efficient they want it to be, to answer this one. When it's well handled by the marketer, it can be supremely effective. Of course, just as with every other marketing technique, there are also always some people who make a complete hash of it and then announce "it doesn't work". :p

      Believe it or not, there are even some people who, by their own admission, have never tried it at all, who start off threads here specifically to "explain" to other people why "it doesn't work" (you can imagine how much insight there is, in those threads!).

      Just be careful by whom you choose to be guided. There are people here who claim they've made 6-figure incomes as affiliates without list-building, but guess what you'll see in their signature files? It's very often something offering "tuition"/"services" to affiliates, but not about list-building, surprise surprise. We each have to decide for ourselves whether we think their alleged income has really come from affiliate marketing or from selling "tuition"/"services" to beginning marketers. I don't happen to find that a very difficult decision, myself.
  • Profile picture of the author Fantastic
    I never had a list until recently and I've always made money.


    I haven't had a day job in years BUT...


    What I typically recommend to people is this.


    If you are new and want to make money fast, you don't need a list.


    But as soon as you get ahead, take some time to build a list even IF...


    It means your money slows down for a while.


    You can't go wrong with a list but you don't NEED it.


    You don't NEED anything. It's all about the person.
  • Profile picture of the author Reez1
    I started make money online by offering services.In other words, without list.From there, I got a list of clientele and thats when i market more products/services to them over and over again including affiliate products.

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