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Unread 5th August 2013, 10:52 PM   #1
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I have heard time and time again that the money is in the list. I have been an affiliate marketer for years and never felt the need to build an email list of subscribers because I promote over 1,000 different products. That would be a lot of email lists. Does most of your sales come from your list of subscribers? Please share

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I don't think you have to have a list. I think it depends what you do. For example if you have an online store set up, a blog that is informative and keeps people coming back for more, or a product review site that gets lots of hits, then I think you can make money without a list. That being said, a list would not hurt your profits.
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I have heard time and time again that the money is in the list. I have been an affiliate marketer for years and never felt the need to build an email list of subscribers because I promote over 1,000 different products. That would be a lot of email lists. Does most of your sales come from your list of subscribers? Please share
Does anyone? Well start with yourself...I hope you're not affiliate marketing 1,000 products and not making money :p

But seriously, a list isn't needed but isn't hard to implement even if it isn't utilized properly.

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A list is good to have but to make money of it you would need to target buyers
which means focusing on a particular niche
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I do know of people who are making a living by providing services and by doing the direct linking method. It is possible but it make more sense to build a list as it is more stable.
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I promote over 1,000 different products.

Promoting over 1000 products without list..?
You're leaving lots of money on the table. That's for sure.

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I have been an affiliate marketer for years and never felt the need to build an email list of subscribers because I promote over 1,000 different products.
Let's say you've been an affiliate marketer for 3 years and have promote 1000 products, that's still less that one product per day. Remember, you aren't promoting all of them at the same time

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I personally wouldn't suggest to anyone not to build a list but it obviously works for you and plenty other people I would assume.

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Start and build a list it is really pretty silly not too.

Even if you only use it to promote your newest blog posts, or product offers you will make a lot more money with an email list than without one.

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Let's say you've been an affiliate marketer for 3 years and have promote 1000 products, that's still less that one product per day. Remember, you aren't promoting all of them at the same time
Maybe he is.

If he builds content sites on different topics for example.

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I've made thousands online without a list and still do each week.
I had a list at one time, but I found people hardly opened emails after a while.
Also I got many freebie seekers at the time as I gave a lot of free stuff like pdf's and videos each week.
I removed the list some years ago and the sales keep coming.

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Does most of your sales come from your list of subscribers?
Yes, very much so. Almost all of them. I don't just mean 99% - it's a much higher proportion than that.

I've found this very consistently, in all of my multiple niches and over many years, now.

Like many thousands of other Warriors (in spite of some very rare alleged exceptions) I couldn't make a living without list-building.

I do get people clicking on some product-advertising banners on my sites, but the people who click on them and buy the product are people who have been directed to that page by a link in an email I've sent them, after they've opted in at an earlier visit to the site. There are reasons for that.

Very few people buy anything much at their first visit to a sales page, so one needs a way of keeping them going back to it. And most of the income in affiliate marketing (which is what I do) comes from making repeated sales of different products to the same people. Without list-building, one can't do either of those things! :p

I think the last person with whom I had a long discussion in a forum-thread about selling ClickBank products with affiliate-links directly from a site/blog (no list) had had 4,000 clicks on an affiliate link, leading to a total of 4 sales of which 2 were refunded. I thought those figures were fairly typical. Some people disagree with me. But if you ask people who are making any significant money from ClickBank, as affiliates, they'll all tell you to build a list.

There are a few hundred threads in this forum with titles similar to "What's The One Thing You'd Do Differently If You Were Starting Again Tomorrow?". Take a look through a small sample of them, and you'll find that one of the things they all have in common is that they're full of replies from long-established, successful Warriors almost all of whom give the same answer: the thing they'd do differently, with what they know now but didn't know when they started, is "start to build a list on day 1". There are reasons for that, and they're very good and very valid reasons.

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What are the best ways to promote click bank products?
Is it a good idea to spend some time on building a mailing list ?
Without Building a List, How Consistent is Your Income from Affiliate Marketing
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There are a few (a very, very few!!) people here who even claim to have well-converting ClickBank affiliate sites without list-building, but when you look carefully at the other, unrelated stuff that those same people are saying, in other threads, almost none of it actually stands up to examination for a moment. Draw your own conclusions. :p

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I have heard time and time again that the money is in the list. I have been an affiliate marketer for years and never felt the need to build an email list of subscribers because I promote over 1,000 different products. That would be a lot of email lists. Does most of your sales come from your list of subscribers? Please share
I've been making money online since 2005 consistently without a single email list. The reason? I hate sending emails as much as I hate receiving offers.... My clickbank and amazon authority sites doesn't have optin form but they are converting really well...



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A list makes it easy to promote your products btw so i dont recommend not having one but of course, there are always people that find success without one out there

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got to agree...no list very hard to get sales..

But it's not for every business.
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I build lists, but the majority of sales I make as an affiliate are without a list.

It's not hard to get sales without a list if you know what you're doing.

Many super affiliates we don't even know exist make millions without building lists.

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If you really want to know you need a list or not, try to do a split test since you need different plan for different niche. You might make more or less money with a list.

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Most people making money online are doing it without an email list.That's not to say having a list is good or bad, but the idea that you must have one, or that the money is only in the list is nonsense usually peddled by folks trying to sell you a product on list building..
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I have made hundreds of thousands of dollars online, and maybe five of those sales TOPS were from my email lists

That said, I am currently working on developing a big, responsive list

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Having a list definitely isn't mandatory, but it can be a very useful asset for an affiliate marketer especially if you're promoting a bunch of different products.

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If you built a list from the traffic of every single one of your products you promote and then promoted those products and other products automatically via follow up over time then I'm sure you would be making a lot more money than you are now and you can promote any new product to your existing lists that would find it relevant

You can even sell off clicks as a solo ad vendor, so many ways to monetize a list so ya I would say you are leavcing money on the table without a doubt

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Hi,
I am new in the domain and do not have a lot of experience with this, but aren't your offers going to be considered spam when you send them to an entire list of people? Is this method as efficient as people want it to be?
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aren't your offers going to be considered spam when you send them to an entire list of people?
They're people who have given you permission, by "opting in", to send them email.

(Though it's still true that if you send them spammy email and too many offers, some will still consider them spam, yes ... which is why list-building doesn't work nearly as well for people who send too many offers and/or "spammy" emails, even with permission).

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Is this method as efficient as people want it to be?
You'll have to ask people how efficient they want it to be, to answer this one. When it's well handled by the marketer, it can be supremely effective. Of course, just as with every other marketing technique, there are also always some people who make a complete hash of it and then announce "it doesn't work". :p

Believe it or not, there are even some people who, by their own admission, have never tried it at all, who start off threads here specifically to "explain" to other people why "it doesn't work" (you can imagine how much insight there is, in those threads!).

Just be careful by whom you choose to be guided. There are people here who claim they've made 6-figure incomes as affiliates without list-building, but guess what you'll see in their signature files? It's very often something offering "tuition"/"services" to affiliates, but not about list-building, surprise surprise. We each have to decide for ourselves whether we think their alleged income has really come from affiliate marketing or from selling "tuition"/"services" to beginning marketers. I don't happen to find that a very difficult decision, myself.

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If you built a list from the traffic of every single one of your products you promote and then promoted those products and other products automatically via follow up over time then I'm sure you would be making a lot more money than you are now and you can promote any new product to your existing lists that would find it relevant

You can even sell off clicks as a solo ad vendor, so many ways to monetize a list so ya I would say you are leavcing money on the table without a doubt
That's not proven.

It's all about ROI

Yes - you can make a lot of money with a list you cultivate.

But you can make just as much or more as an affiliate without ever adding one subscriber to a list.

And vice versa.

It's all a matter of preference.

I'm having my best year as an internet marketer.

I've made more money in the first 7 months of this year than I have in my best full year (which was over $100K)...

... and I've made most of my money this year without a list.

However I am building lists and the revenue from the lists are increasing gradually.

But I love just straight up direct linking affiliate marketing with paid traffic.

It's not for everyone, but there are super affiliates making BANK doing it and I like their style.

To each his (or her) own

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I couldn't imagine running any of my businesses without a list. Everything I do is centered around my lists -- including email lists, telephone lists, and mailing lists. Everybody I personally know making money via information marketing, consulting, speaking, etc., all have lists.

It's so simple to maintain a list, and so inexpensive, why wouldn't you? Also keep in mind that the most difficult thing to do (and most expensive thing to do) is to *acquire* a customer. Get them on the list, so you can sell to them again.

Edit: I'd estimate that no less than 70% of my monthly revenue comes directly from my lists.

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I never had a list until recently and I've always made money.


I haven't had a day job in years BUT...


What I typically recommend to people is this.


If you are new and want to make money fast, you don't need a list.


But as soon as you get ahead, take some time to build a list even IF...


It means your money slows down for a while.


You can't go wrong with a list but you don't NEED it.


You don't NEED anything. It's all about the person.
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I started make money online by offering services.In other words, without list.From there, I got a list of clientele and thats when i market more products/services to them over and over again including affiliate products.

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I used to.

If you have a mechanism upon which to contact your audience efficiently, and better than everyone ese...

You can make a killing.

The problem? Methods like that are very difficult to come by, and typically don't last.

Do you know what DOES last?

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I have no list and I made thousands.

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Yes, I do "make money online" without an Email List.
However, I'm not an "Affiliate Marketer" (at the moment).

Maybe you want to target your question specifically at Affiliate Marketers? Because there are lots of other ways to make money online.


I earned $3000 in Profits last week with one of my businesses, and I never made a "Mailing List" out of my clients' contact information.

So far, I've only used their emails for direct communication.
Maybe some time in the future, I can promote something to them, like a Special or a New Service we are offering.

I don't like receiving those "Random Emails" myself, so I avoid using that strategy on others.


I actually plan to get into a bit of Affiliate Marketing later on, when I get more free time. However, that strategy will likely NOT involve using an Email list.


In any case, I DO think that creating an Email List of potential buyers is a good idea for most affiliate marketers.

You simply need to sit down and think through the "Visitor-to-Buyer" process very well, for your business model.

Whether using a Mailing list would be profitable to you or not, depends on what you are doing, and what you are selling.

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You can absolutely make money without a list...and lots of it.

HOWEVER.....building a list is going to give you another layer of monetization, targeted traffic and will guard you from being too dependent on organic search traffic. Additionally the list becomes a unique asset that increases the value of your overall property should you decide to sell.

If you make a lot of money without a list you will make even more with one.

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Wow! If I was promoting 1,000 products, I think I would go crazy! But congratulations on your success.

I take the conventional path and build a list.

It doesn't hurt and you have the ability to market to paying customers multiple times.

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You don't need a list but it gives you an opportunity to make more money as well as build a following. If you're making money without a list it wouldn't hurt to build one.
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Well that's true Andrew,. but if we built up an email list for getting relevant subscribers, we have larges scope of expanding our consumer base day by day. We do have a chance to spread our new product introduction rapidly through our subscriber's networks. I understand your concern as an affiliate marketer about building email list, I purely suggest you to go with it positively but also make sure about your other internet marketing functions which your run on daily basis.

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Wow! If I was promoting 1,000 products, I think I would go crazy! But congratulations on your success.

I take the conventional path and build a list.

It doesn't hurt and you have the ability to market to paying customers multiple times.

Just my 2 cents
Someone is promoting 1000 products in this thread? God Bless them lol

I make most of my affiliate money from 5-10 products.

You dont need to promote a thousand different products to make a killing as an affiliate.

Focusing on a few good offers and scaling them up is a much better approach - especially if you want to keep your sanity

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I never focused on building a list either. It certainly can't hurt to have a list, but it really depends on what you're trying to accomplish. I would think if you're going the affiliate route then you would want to build a list.

Find a couple PLR ebooks and set up a squeeze page that focuses on some of your most popular affiliate products. You could then offer a page with your affiliate products on the thank you page. I'm sure you must know which products are converting best.

I tell my students to focus on fewer products, and become an expert at promoting those.

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I never focused on building a list either. It certainly can't hurt to have a list, but it really depends on what you're trying to accomplish. I would think if you're going the affiliate route then you would want to build a list.

Find a couple PLR ebooks and set up a squeeze page that focuses on some of your most popular affiliate products. You could then offer a page with your affiliate products on the thank you page. I'm sure you must know which products are converting best.

I tell my students to focus on fewer products, and become an expert at promoting those.

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I've seen a couple of guys recommend find a couple of PLR ebooks or whatever.

You don't even need to go through all of that trouble.

Just put a squeeze page before the products sales page you're promoting with copy that is reflective of what they will see on the salespage - if you insist on building a list

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If what you're doing is working for you and you're comfortable with it, forget what other people tell you. If you want to test whether lists are for you or not, pick a few of your products and give it a go with them. Either you'll want to continue or you won't. Proceed accordingly. It's your business.

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I build lists in all of the niches that I'm in and the majority of sales in
most of them come from email marketing to those lists.

At the same time, I use PPC, Facebook Ads, etc. to drive traffic
to webinars or membership sites where I also make sales.

With the webinars, they are often added to niche lists in
conjunction with attending the webinars.

With membership sites, members are often asked to join some
type of notification list. I also think of a membership site itself
as "a list" although I guess "community" is a more accurate
description.

The reality for me is that with most promotional efforts, 98%
of people aren't going to buy on the first contact, and if I
don't follow up, I've essentially wasted that percentage of my
advertising dollars, time, and other resources. So, I do list
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There are sites like squidoo where you can write any unique content and earn money. I suggest you do this rather than depending on only the email lists.

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I started out without building a list. I can be done, but from my opinion you have to work harder if you don't have a list.

Most people don't buy the first time they visit your site or affiliate link. So you end up losing that customer and then have to work hard at getting new customers.

If you have a list then chances are that person will opt in. This means that you now have a customer you can promote to over and over again.

One of the mistakes I made online was not building my list earlier.

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I have one product only and no list. I have 1 website that accepts orders and payments. It is a physical product that is mailed. My sales come from people who are researching the areas that the product services, I get word of mouth recommendations from users to their friends and family. Many call or email if they want additional information or help. I do a small amount of Google Adwords advertising for my product and get a few clicks per day which convert at about 20-30%. The product is a consumable that has many, many repeat customers. The product is so good that once used they are back for more

I make about $6000 per month net and gave up my day job almost 6 years ago. I don't think it is necessary to have a list but I do think it is dependent upon the type of customer you are targeting and the market you are in. In my case promoting other products to them would be almost saying my product is inadequate and you should get this too. Promoting products outside of the niche would not likely work and most likely upset my client base.
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Apart from the other advantages already mentioned, if you have a list you also have a backup method of making sales if your other methods fail - sites getting delisted, banning from adwords, etc.

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I do build a list and make most of my money from my list. You can still make money without a list but i can imagine it would be a lot harder and longer.

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List building is just one of the hundreds of ways for us to make money online. Right now, I am making money with my affiliate niche sites and SEO services as well.

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