Article Spinning - is it a killer tactic or a waste of time?

[rype89]

Thanks for the tip, but you didn't exactly answer my question. Are there penalties or anything if I were to submit the exact same article, instead of spinning them first?

[kavenlim]

I found articles blueprint helpful and the respun articlces produced are not scrap as human intelligent is involved unless you are crap...

[DAS_Matt]

Originally Posted by djenyns

Hey warriors,

I'm fairly new to the forum and want to know people's thoughts on article spinning.

I've done it well in the past to great success but the quality of so many of the services offering spinning vary beyond measure.

Does anybody have the killer strategy completely mastered, working and automated?

Original articles are definitely better to do as there is far less risk of getting dinged for a lack of original content. Getting original articles at cost effective prices is always a preferred option. Obviosuly that's what I would prefer people do. ;>)) That said article spinning can give you a great number of quality articles as well if done right. Also, there's no reason you can't do a bit of both.

[SMS]

Your initial question did not mention penalties.

EZA & a few other directories might reject your article if they find it published elsewhere, but other than that there are no penalties from the directories.

If you were asking about penalties from Google, the answer is an emphatic NO.

HTH.

Originally Posted by rype89

Thanks for the tip, but you didn't exactly answer my question. Are there penalties or anything if I were to submit the exact same article, instead of spinning them first?

[rype89]

Alright thanks for clearing that up. So, other than the risk of getting the article rejected, there's nothing else to be worried about yes? Penalties aside, what are the other benefits of using spun articles, rather than just using the same article?

Originally Posted by SMS

EZA might reject your article if they find it published elsewhere, but other than that there are no penalties from the directories.

No they will not, this has already been proven ... You can submit your article to 1,000 article directories and then submit it to EZA and still get it approved..

James

[SMS]

James,

I think you might just be right. I think the issue I had with EZA is that they wanted me to prove authorship of the other articles, and once I did the articles got approved.

However, hubpages and at least one other web 2.0 site are very strict.

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

No they will not, this has already been proven ... You can submit your article to 1,000 article directories and then submit it to EZA and still get it approved..

James

[nettech]

IMHO, I think that there is really only one tool to use for article spinning and that is a good word processing package.

The purpose of article spinning should not to be to write spam but to help you distribute your articles to add value to article directories, web.2.0 properties etc.

I have used many article spinners, even those mentioned above and have come to the conclusion that nothing beats doing it manually yourself. Granted it will take a while to do, but you have a high level of control of how you want the article to look. You also don’t generate a load of rubbish this way and the articles are grammatically perfect.

If done correctly, you can generate lots of unique articles. I have tried this method and like one of the posts above, I have also seen my articles listed several times in article directories, blogs etc in the top 30 rankings, so it definitely works.

If anyone is looking to article spinning software to rewrite their articles without intervention then I'm sorry guys, it just isn’t going to work effectively. If you want it to work properly, you have to work HARD at it.

Hard work pays off. Article spinning works!

[SMS]

There is more than one way to skin a cat.

Using a word processing application is most certainly not the only way to spin articles effectively or without spamming.

At the end of the day, people will use what works best for them. For me, it won't be a word processor. As they say, one man's meat...

Originally Posted by nettech

IMHO, I think that there is really only one tool to use for article spinning and that is a good word processing package.

The purpose of article spinning should not to be to write spam but to help you distribute your articles to add value to article directories, web.2.0 properties etc.

I have used many article spinners, even those mentioned above and have come to the conclusion that nothing beats doing it manually yourself. Granted it will take a while to do, but you have a high level of control of how you want the article to look. You also don’t generate a load of rubbish this way and the articles are grammatically perfect.

If done correctly, you can generate lots of unique articles. I have tried this method and like one of the posts above, I have also seen my articles listed several times in article directories, blogs etc in the top 30 rankings, so it definitely works.

If anyone is looking to article spinning software to rewrite their articles without intervention then I'm sorry guys, it just isn’t going to work effectively. If you want it to work properly, you have to work HARD at it.

Hard work pays off. Article spinning works!

[nettech]

I actually think it improves the quality of the articles and definately doesnt constitute spammign at all. Thats my opinion anyway. Every single on eof my articles are readable in perfect English so it works well. Just need to get off my backside and keep writing more of the good stuff....lol

[nettech]

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

No they will not, this has already been proven ... You can submit your article to 1,000 article directories and then submit it to EZA and still get it approved..

James

I woudl still submit to EZA first to be on the safe side and then submit to the other directories once approved.

Originally Posted by nettech

I woudl still submit to EZA first to be on the safe side and then submit to the other directories once approved.

Your choice if you wish to give away your authority ... For those of us that have actually tested and proven posting to your site first is better, we will benefit a much higher return.

I have not submitted to EZA in months and no my traffic ranking has not lowered but it has increased a great deal. I prefer to work smart and not hard.

James

[nettech]

James, totally agree with you on posting to your site first, I assumed this to be a given with EZA as the 1st article directory!
:-)

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Your choice if you wish to give away your authority ... For those of us that have actually tested and proven posting to your site first is better, we will benefit a much higher return.

I have not submitted to EZA in months and no my traffic ranking has not lowered but it has increased a great deal. I prefer to work smart and not hard.

James

[kwopp]

I've been doing all of my article spinning on Word, but it seems that it might be a good idea to at least check a piece of software that could save me a bit of time.

Problem is, I'm using mac. Are there any out there that are mac compatible?

[tresero]

Originally Posted by kavenlim

I found articles blueprint helpful and the respun articlces produced are not scrap as human intelligent is involved unless you are crap...

was this a machine spun reply, it sure made no sense to me

[tresero]

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

I have not submitted to EZA in months and no my traffic ranking has not lowered but it has increased a great deal. I prefer to work smart and not hard.

James

I wondered about that since I write for a very small niche. I mainly submit to directories to get the most of the 100 google searches per month my content appeals to (this is not a commercial site I am talking about).

Do you think that even spun articles kill your search rank? I am still in the top 5 for almost all the keywords I target, but sometimes a squidoo or hubpages article are above me. It doesn't matter though since I wrote them in the first place.

[FriendlyRob]

If you can find a good quality spinner ( and the free ones almost never are) I would write an article, submit it to ezinearticles, then spin it, and submit it to no more than 10 or so other directories.

[TerryG]

Originally Posted by rype89

Hey guys. Just wondering, would it better to submit different spun versions of an articles to multiple article directories? Compared to submitting the exact same article to all of them. If it's better, how so?

Yes. Spin articles means that each spun article should be unique and individually submitted to article directories. This way there will be no duplicate content as each article directory has received a single non duplicate article.

You can also spin your titles, urls and anchor text to make your articles more unique. Each article will then hold its own for your chosen anchor text keyword and title.

[gareth]

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Oh wow another "Let's Bash Spinners" thread ... I love it when people are so wrong that they have no idea how wrong they really are.

Fact: Article Spinners Do Work
Fact: Use a Real Article Spinner
Fact: Spinners Can and Do Produce Proper Articles
Fact: Using a Human Controlled Spinner Will Produce Articles Just As Good As The Original

What many seem to do is try some junky free spinners and then since they do not work well for them, they put down all spinners. Unless those of you that are downgrading spinners have used "everyone" on the market, do not post "they don't work" because the fact is you do not know that unless you tried every single spinner on the market.

It is already a proven fact that using the proper spinner can and does produce perfectly readable articles, the reason why is using the proper spinner that is human controlled can not produce junk unless you write junk. A human controlled spinner is one that is controlled fully by the writer, no stupid {keyword|keyword2|keyword3} crap, no pre-set database... I am talking about a spinner that is 100% controlled by the writer himself/herself.

To answer the OP this depends upon what you want to do... Is it a good idea to change up your content ?? Well sure it is but it is not something that is required. Spinner are not a waste of time, you just need to use the proper spinner and use it the way it was meant to be used.

I can produce 50 articles in less than 2 hours and all will be perfectly readable and have 60%+uniqueness... You can not write that many articles in 2 hours by hand.

James

I agree - heres a tip - first go through and enter the synonyms like a normal spin - make the articles

Then select the best paragraphs from these & other spun articles and spin by mixing paragraphs rather than words.

This makes it almost totally new content.

[davidomni]

Well I just read in Ezines TOS that spun articles are essentially ****.
They have low readability and are NOT original or unique, hence being spun.

Have you ever tried to read one of those spun articles?

I got Mass Article Control because I thought it was going to be awesome
But, alas the articles it produced were crap.

Its better just to rewrite them yourself or outsource.

Cheers.

[Glenn Leader]

Originally Posted by davidomni

Well I just read in Ezines TOS that spun articles are essentially ****.
They have low readability and are NOT original or unique, hence being spun.

Have you ever tried to read one of those spun articles?

I got Mass Article Control because I thought it was going to be awesome
But, alas the articles it produced were crap.

Its better just to rewrite them yourself or outsource.

Cheers.

I have articles in EZA that ARE spun. Not under my own name obviously,
but if you use the right tools in the right way, you'll get truly excellent
results.

I think you need to re-read this thread, because we ave proved that you
can very good results indeed using the right software.

Glenn

[mistermint]

Originally Posted by Glenn Leader

I have articles in EZA that ARE spun. Not under my own name obviously,
but if you use the right tools in the right way, you'll get truly excellent
results.

I think you need to re-read this thread, because we ave proved that you
can very good results indeed using the right software.

Glenn

Agreed but, I don't agree with davidomni's comment at all.

If you try to spin out hundreds of articles with mass article control and use the stock words from it's database then, yes, they will look like rubbish however, if you use your own choice of words and phrases then, it works a treat and saves hours of time. I found spinning no more than 10 works best!

A goog tip is to combine two articles and mix and match paras..

Also, IMO; There are hardly any original works on the net unless, your a research scientist or something..breaking new ground with blu sky thinking or relating to personal experiences, great if your niche is genital warts lol..

Originally Posted by davidomni

Well I just read in Ezines TOS that spun articles are essentially ****.
They have low readability and are NOT original or unique, hence being spun.

Have you ever tried to read one of those spun articles?

I got Mass Article Control because I thought it was going to be awesome
But, alas the articles it produced were crap.

Its better just to rewrite them yourself or outsource.

Cheers.

It is better to use a proper tool to begin with ..

As for EZA and their so-called "we do not allow spun articles" Ha!! 35%+ of the site is made up of spun articles. Many articles in EZA are junk but there are also many that know what they are doing such as Glenn that can produce an article with "spinning" it and it will look perfectly normal and you would never know it was "spun" ...

James

Originally Posted by gareth

I agree - heres a tip - first go through and enter the synonyms like a normal spin - make the articles

Then select the best paragraphs from these & other spun articles and spin by mixing paragraphs rather than words.

This makes it almost totally new content.

I do not use synonyms, that is part ofthe problem why many produce gibberish and then they blame all "spinners" ...

James

[SMS]

The key to the kingdom is below, but alas most of us will NOT appreciate the value of this post.

Originally Posted by TerryG

Yes. Spin articles means that each spun article should be unique and individually submitted to article directories. This way there will be no duplicate content as each article directory has received a single non duplicate article.

You can also spin your titles, urls and anchor text to make your articles more unique. Each article will then hold its own for your chosen anchor text keyword and title.

[Allen Graves]

Umm, why is nobody suggesting spinning an article and populating your own VRE with an extra 50 pages of content? Why does most everyone think that spun articles always have to go on other people's websites?

[Marty S]

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

It is better to use a proper tool to begin with ..

Agreed.

Magic Article Rewriter spins sentences AND synonyms and is easily the most full featured spinner on the market right now. It can also create output for MyArticleNetwork with the proper syntax already included saving a lot of tedious submission time.

[Marty S]

Originally Posted by Allen Graves

Umm, why is nobody suggesting spinning an article and populating your own VRE with an extra 50 pages of content? Why does most everyone think that spun articles always have to go on other people's websites?

Good point Allen.

[affmanager]

Everybody's talking about the best article spinning method. Regardless what spinning method, or software, or service is used some of us want to outsource the writing of articles, have it spun, and ALSO have it distributed to the various article directories.

There are services like Unique Article Wizard and Content Spooling Network. But are there any Warriors that will write original article(s), spin it, AND distribute unique versions of the article to at least 25 article directories for me? And can you ensure at least 30% uniqueness when you spin the article?

If so, please PM me because I would be interested.

[markvsc]

Personally, I haven't seen an article spinner that produces good, coherent, readable articles.

I've only tried the free versions in order to test them out, but none produced properly for me.

[mrsmaxxx]

I post for people to read. I too have tried spinners but the results were not what I had hoped for. I will continue to write articles for real people to get real information from My Heart and Mind. I want folks to remember me and use the information. Spinning looses my vibe!

Dale

Originally Posted by markvsc

Personally, I haven't seen an article spinner that produces good, coherent, readable articles.

I've only tried the free versions in order to test them out, but none produced properly for me.

That is because you have not used the proper tool - free, you get what you pay for...

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Which one is the original ? Can you tell me ? There is a 47% difference and yes this is a spun article using the "proper" tool and spinning "properly"...

James

[Dr. O]

pretty good spin on those articles. i think theyre BOTH spun! still read very well however.

what options do us MAC users have.

I would love to have a great service that not only spins great article dupes, but ALSO submits it to many directories...


PM me!

Originally Posted by Dr. O

pretty good spin on those articles. i think theyre BOTH spun! still read very well however.

what options do us MAC users have.

I would love to have a great service that not only spins great article dupes, but ALSO submits it to many directories...


PM me!

They both are not spun.. I wrote the original but then again every single word you see there was written by me and not some pre-set database of words... There was a total of 25 spun articles produced from the original and they are between 47% - 70% in uniqueness.

PM sent by the way ... Us mac users use online tools ...

James

[tyson4]

This thread is really interesting, I guess that's why this site is the best!

[affmanager]

James,

I just PM'ed you.

Thanks,
Affmanager

Originally Posted by affmanager

James,

I just PM'ed you.

Thanks,
Affmanager

Just replied to your PM with detailed info ...

James

[Dr. O]

james, I have to admit that your method seems to work!

however, i was a bit dissapointed that the submisison part was offline.

Still. This thread was an awesome one, but I can honestly say that YES spinning works.

yes, you get out what you put in, but I think that i could write 500 articles WAY faster with a spinner than without.

Imagine trying to HAND WRITE books in this day and age instead of having them printed.

Thats the kind of difference we're talking about...

[chazlcom]

Absolutely.

It really depends on how deep you want to go with unique content. If you post to free blogs, create lenses and hubpages and weebly sites, and submit deep into the article banks, you can easily have hundreds or thousands of unique articles for every new forum.

I prefer WPspinner since I use Wordpress for my blogging/website platforms. It does a number of things, but I just use it to spin articles, summaries, resource boxes, titles, and subtitles.

format: { [ | ] ~ [ | ] }

All sentences are natural because you do the spinning, not some thesaurus. Spin sentences, paragraphs, or individual words. Faster than a speeding bum marketer.

A 500 word article spun deep will yield about 1500~2000 words. Takes me about 4 hours to go deep. The best bum marketers will get 15 to 20 articles in that time frame. I will get an unlimited number at 70~80% unique.

Put your whole article with all of the sections needed by the article directories into a wp blog, refresh the page to spin, then cut and paste the sections into the article directory submission form.

If you put the base spun copy into WP, your visitor will see a different version of the article on every visit.

Charles

[Glenn Leader]

Originally Posted by Allen Graves

Umm, why is nobody suggesting spinning an article and populating your own VRE with an extra 50 pages of content? Why does most everyone think that spun articles always have to go on other people's websites?

Allen,

I do this routinely.. have done for years. I'm about to
start beta testing building VREs using spun content,
with different keywords, with automatic ClickBank ID's
for my testers. The content will be built over time, and
organically. All they need do is market their blogs in the
usual way.

HTH

Glenn

[Glenn Leader]

Originally Posted by chazlcom

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If you put the base spun copy into WP, your visitor will see a different version of the article on every visit.

I tried this several years ago.. the problem with this
method is that it confused search engines, and your
listing for that post will slip further and further down.

HTH

Glenn

[Shana_Adam]

There are some awful article spinners out there.

Unless you really spend time perfecting the software it will return text that just does not make sense to a human reader. The more nested the text is the further the gibberish that comes out.

It takes far too long to fix the text than a quick rewrite.

[Stallion]

I'm curious about the uniqueness. I picked up PAR and I tried it. It takes a little practice, but I'm catching onto it. The first time I did it the uniqueness was about 30%. What is a good number to aim for?

[sylviad]

Originally Posted by Alice Seba

Could it be that Glenn & James are imagining something different than others when it comes to "spinning"?

Synonym and phrase replacement based spinning frequently spouts out garbage and I think that's what many people think of when they think spinning.

However, there are spinners that will simply take a few human-written versions of an article (written with the same number of paragraphs, each with the exact same content...just worded differently) and then the spinner interchanges paragraphs. As long as the writing is good in the originals, the end result is highly-readable content.

So, I don't know...are you guys arguing about completely different things?

Alice

I've tried a product that does just that...

You load your original article, and then go through the program adding alternate paragraphs and headlines. Then, the spinner goes to work to intermix those different paras and headlines.

The end result was garbage. Some articles only had 2 paragraphs, others had 6-8 like the original, and some didn't make sense because the parts that were not intermixed left out details about the topic.

And it produced over 60,000 versions! I couldn't stop it.

One other product that I kind of like, but it does require work, is WordFlood. You enter your article and go through each line and alternate synonyms throughout - that the program highlights for you and provides suggestions. You just pick which ones you want to change. It is 100% manual.

You would repeat this exercise for whatever number of articles you want when you're done.

So if you want 3 articles, you'd do it 3x using your original article as the source.

Time consuming, yes, but at least you have a readable product when you're done that looks totally unique to the SEs. And it can be a bit quicker than writing an entirely new article from scratch.



Sylvia

[ss1c]

Personally, I use UAW. Takes a while to get your post ready to submit, but it has a ton of features and the resultant "spun" articles are very readable. imho

[TheBrainchildGroup]

Originally Posted by Slippy

I am personally against article spinning. I say create new fresh content, create content for people... NOT search engines... and you will always do ok.

I totally agree -- article spinning sometimes degrades the quality of articles and SEO should not be the sole intention of creating content (on a regular basis that is).

Originally Posted by TheBrainchildGroup

I totally agree -- article spinning sometimes degrades the quality of articles and SEO should not be the sole intention of creating content (on a regular basis that is).

Originally Posted by Slippy
I am personally against article spinning. I say create new fresh content, create content for people... NOT search engines... and you will always do ok.

Article spinning has nothing to do with content created for search engines. Both of you need to see the example I posted. It is fully fresh, unique, and written for the "reader".

Spun content for 100th time has been going on for many many years and even offline publishers of major magazines spin content. This is nothing new and has nothing to do with creating content just for seo purposes or just for backlinks.

Spun articles have just as much uniqueness to them as freshly written articles because the fact is a spun article that is done properly is fresh content when the writer has full control over all the words.

Just becuase a junk spinner uses some pre-set database of words does not mean all spinners do.

James

[Lee56]

Would be nice if spinning an article meant writing on the same topic with a fresh angle. I think that's what it used to mean in journalism. I've spun articles for marketers in the sense that is being discussed here, but I quit. I get so tired of seeing essentially same article all over the Internet. It's very frustrating from a researcher's or even casual surfer's perspective. To me spinning is like spamming the Internet, unless the spin offers something NEW besides synonyms, sentence structure and order of paragraphs. I am tempted because I am now marketing my own products and want to use articles to drive traffic, but unless there's a way a better way to do this, I think I will pass. I wish there were...

Originally Posted by Lee56

Would be nice if spinning an article meant writing on the same topic with a fresh angle. I think that's what it used to mean in journalism. I've spun articles for marketers in the sense that is being discussed here, but I quit. I get so tired of seeing essentially same article all over the Internet. It's very frustrating from a researcher's or even casual surfer's perspective. To me spinning is like spamming the Internet, unless the spin offers something NEW besides synonyms, sentence structure and order of paragraphs. I am tempted because I am now marketing my own products and want to use articles to drive traffic, but unless there's a way a better way to do this, I think I will pass. I wish there were...

There is a way better way .... Using a human controlled spinner you options are unlimited unlike those spinners that use those pre-set database or words. Using the proper tool you certainly can produce 20 articles from one and all 20 be totally different and not just "sound the same".

This is fully upto the writer as using a human spinner all the words come directly from the writer and not some database of pre-set words.

Technology has increased a great deal and is still increasing more and new tools have been created that actually do work in the way you want.

James

[Stallion]

I'm having difficulties getting my spinned articles to anywhere near a 70% unique value. I can get around 50%.

I've been doing {sentence 1|sentence 2|sentence 3|} and then I'll go in and do spinning of each individual sentence. Is there something I'm missing to get it up to 70%?