Truth about Aymen? Arbitrage Conspiracy -- What is Going on!

by Ebbi
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* I'm removing the original post because of privacy issues. When
Aymen takes care of it I might post it back up. He called me
to personally explain his situation so I'm respecting it.


I wouldn't be a good WF member if I didn't!!!

Like I said Aymen just called me few minutes ago and we talked
for about 20 minutes or so, really good chat!

He offered me to ask him what ever question I wanted regarding
his product and Wasabi8899.

So, I of course asked him what the deal was about Wasabi8899!
This is the answer I got and I personally believe it but you'll
have to make up your own mind.

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Wasabi8899 is a person that Aymen was helping out. He gave him
all the info needed to start promoting affiliate products but when
it came to actually taking action this person, like so many of us
didn't have a CLUE how to register or host domains! So he asked
Aymen for help. Teaching someone how to register a domain and
host a website could take many hours so instead Aymen just took
few minutes, registered the domain for him and made a quick iframe
website with his affiliate ID. So now the person could start sending
traffic to the site using the tactics Aymen taught him.
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Then he offered me $10.000 if I would just try his product and if I
wouldn't make at least $100k in 5 days he was going to pay it out
of his own pocket!


NO.... would have been nice but this is real life people!!


Believe the answer or not... I guess we'll just have to find out when
people ether start posting good comments about the course or
bad comments. Like I said I personally believe that Wasabi8899 is not
Aymen, that's maybe because I actually talked to him live on the
phone and he explained everything to me in details.

Ebbi
#arbitrage #aymen #conspiracy #truth
  • Profile picture of the author RC7000
    Good work.

    It has to be him.. wierd how he was asking simple questions not so long ago:

    Sept 08

    Very simple question...how do you get more traffic with YSM?

    For instance, right now, I have the following campaign:

    1) 2 adgroups
    2) 452 keywords total
    3) $0.30 for Search and $0.15 for content
    4) average CTR 0.17% from the beginning for the month and now

    Right now, I only have about 80 and 100 clicks per day with about 45,000 impression per day

    The offer I'm promoting is converting very well and I would like to ramp it up.

    How could I increase my number of clicks and impression to get more daily conversion ?
    and

    Feb 08

    Hello,

    I have started a campaign 3 weeks ago and I have set the daily budget at $3000/day. However, it seems it can not go more than $200/day.

    For testing purposes, I have created other campaigns with a minimum of $1000 to $3000/day, same problem, my daily spending is always around $100 to $200

    I wish to spend more to get more traffic, but it seems to limited to $200 per day

    Anything wrong in my side?

    thank you
    Nov 07

    Hi all,

    Is it possible to get multiple accounts with Commission Junction. Let me explain my situation:

    I have created myself a CJ account 1 year ago. I have 2 brothers living at the same address than me. Is it possible to sign up for a cj account with the same mailing address, but with a different name? is it agaisnt the tos? I could not find any informations on that.

    thank you all.
    Got to be him!
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    • Profile picture of the author Ebbi
      Originally Posted by HarveyJ View Post

      Dude, it's a bit of an open secret that he paid those people for the video endorsements.
      Pagan's an out and out whore. From what I've heard around the traps he got low five figures for his endorsement. Why the hell do people follow this guy in the first place? I have trouble believing anyone that's an expert at dating, seduction, real estate, online marketing and business venturing all within the space of a decade. He's either a demi-god or a liar.
      The others are just MLM hacks who've found a brand new market of suckers. How did they get rich? By selling dreams to morons, because there's faster money in that.

      Furthermore, if he's so awesome at this, why the hell are there any technical problems with the site at all? You get a team of people that know what they're doing and make sure it's live before you get on with it.
      It's not like it's difficult to set up a page, and a secure payment gateway.
      Okey.... Interesting!
      But do you believe Wasabi8899 is Aymen?

      Also the problem might be one of the "guru's" testing out a launch formula
      to see how people react to this! Not sure but it sounds like something they
      might do!!

      Ebbi
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Lockwood
      Originally Posted by HarveyJ View Post

      Pagan's an out and out whore. From what I've heard around the traps he got low five figures for his endorsement. Why the hell do people follow this guy in the first place? I have trouble believing anyone that's an expert at dating, seduction, real estate, online marketing and business venturing all within the space of a decade. He's either a demi-god or a liar.
      Hmmm, dating and seduction are one niche. He sells that stuff online, therefore he knows online marketing. That's 3 of your 5 right there. I'm not sure what you mean by business venturing, but if you mean his Altitude product, that's also related to online marketing.

      I didn't know he did real estate, but it wouldn't surprise me, since many people with money are into that.

      Why do people follow him? I'm guessing because he's very successful at what he does.

      Have you ever seen any of his products?
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    • Profile picture of the author Harlan
      Originally Posted by HarveyJ View Post

      Pagan's an out and out whore. From what I've heard around the traps he got low five figures for his endorsement. Why the hell do people follow this guy in the first place? I have trouble believing anyone that's an expert at dating, seduction, real estate, online marketing and business venturing all within the space of a decade. He's either a demi-god or a liar.
      I know Eben.

      I respect Eben.

      Eben doesn't need anyone's five figures.

      He is smart and has incredible integrity.

      The guy has a serious 20M plus a year business.

      You think he would jeopardize that for a bribe and lose credibility?

      I don't.

      Right now Eben Pagan is teaching a seminar on improving how you learn.

      I don't believe Eben has ever posted in the forum but I guess his success
      is bothering you.

      I think you owe him an apology or edit your post.

      I've learned a lot from him and there's lots more to go.

      And no, he didn't pay me to do this.

      You're picking on one of the good guys.

      Peace.
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    • Profile picture of the author PabloVTB
      Originally Posted by HarveyJ View Post

      Dude, it's a bit of an open secret that he paid those people for the video endorsements.
      Pagan's an out and out whore. From what I've heard around the traps he got low five figures for his endorsement. Why the hell do people follow this guy in the first place? I have trouble believing anyone that's an expert at dating, seduction, real estate, online marketing and business venturing all within the space of a decade. He's either a demi-god or a liar.
      The others are just MLM hacks who've found a brand new market of suckers. How did they get rich? By selling dreams to morons, because there's faster money in that.

      Furthermore, if he's so awesome at this, why the hell are there any technical problems with the site at all? You get a team of people that know what they're doing and make sure it's live before you get on with it.
      It's not like it's difficult to set up a page, and a secure payment gateway.
      I can't speak for Eban's Business seminars, but I know some of his dating programs, and let me tell you, I would endorse them myself. He sells quality stuff, no doubt about that
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    • Profile picture of the author drkellogs
      Originally Posted by HarveyJ View Post

      Pagan's an out and out whore. From what I've heard around the traps he got low five figures for his endorsement. Why the hell do people follow this guy in the first place? I have trouble believing anyone that's an expert at dating, seduction, real estate, online marketing and business venturing all within the space of a decade. He's either a demi-god or a liar.
      Dude... don't say shit you have no clue about. That's just plain ignorant

      You'd be hard pressed to find anyone that has as much integrity that he does.

      The things I learned from this man have been directly responsible to adding a bunch of zeros to my income & for a LOT of other good shit happening in my life with women, friends, family, health.

      Please don't poison others with your unfounded rumors...

      Well on second thought, keep doing that so that people will think Eben is a crook and will be afraid to buy his shit.

      I don't need any more competition. Thanks for helping man.
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    • Profile picture of the author davemiz
      harvey j.... your comments at the top are hysterical and SO off the mark... get off the hater-aid and stop smoking crack when you're on the warrior forum.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ebbi
    Yes... I personally think Aymen and Wasbi8899 are the same person
    but then again you never know and people just have to make up there
    own mind! It's going to be interesting if he makes his information
    private in the next days!

    Ebbi
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    • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
      Originally Posted by Ebbi View Post

      Yes... I personally think Aymen and Wasbi8899 are the same person
      but then again you never know and people just have to make up there
      own mind! It's going to be interesting if he makes his information
      private in the next days!

      Ebbi
      Have you taken screen shots/video of this before it all suddently dissapears ..
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  • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
    I know that Aymen is quite advanced with PPV/CPV and facebook marketing. Perhaps this is where the volume comes from?
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    • Profile picture of the author Ebbi
      Originally Posted by James Schramko View Post

      I know that Aymen is quite advanced with PPV/CPV and facebook marketing. Perhaps this is where the volume comes from?
      Like I said, I'm not saying that Aymen is not making good money
      and that he doesn't know his stuff but it's hard to believe.

      Everyone starts somewhere but from the looks of it Aymen
      didn't get advanced few years ago. In fact I'm pretty sure
      he's not the brain behind the course!

      Am I right ?

      Ebbi
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      • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
        Originally Posted by Ebbi View Post

        Like I said, I'm not saying that Aymen is not making good money
        and that he doesn't know his stuff but it's hard to believe.

        Everyone starts somewhere but from the looks of it Aymen
        didn't get advanced few years ago. In fact I'm pretty sure
        he's not the brain behind the course!

        Am I right ?

        Ebbi
        Good bit of Sherlock Holmes work, I bet he's going to be wincing when he reads this.

        So newbie 12 months ago, now expecting folks to churn out $2k for his advice now.

        You may well be right , he's just a figurehead.
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  • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
    Yes it is hard to believe - but the truth will come out eventually.
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  • Profile picture of the author templar
    From the checks showing on the salespage, it looks like he really started to get it right near the end of 2007, and his $50k days are just in the last few months.

    Personally, he's selling a 2k course, and if I can make 2k more in the first month and save another year of trial and error, then I have no probs with him at all.
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  • Profile picture of the author RC7000
    I can't take anyones positive opinion properly when they have an affiliate link in there SIG file i.e. templar and james schramko.
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    • Profile picture of the author vic_msn
      nice work!!.. did you check his DNF profile it says the business location is Dubai
      and some one told me he is from Egypt.. so there is some relation.
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    • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
      Originally Posted by RC7000 View Post

      I can't take anyones positive opinion properly when they have an affiliate link in there SIG file i.e. templar and james schramko.
      I have the same issue with people who don't know the guy and don't know the product but make wild speculations that are way off the mark. Imagine that.
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      • Profile picture of the author RC7000
        Originally Posted by James Schramko View Post

        I have the same issue with people who don't know the guy and don't know the product but make wild speculations that are way off the mark. Imagine that.
        Sorry? My business partner was there in Las Vegas. I know exactly what this is all about. I'm not promoting this product at all so have no 2nd agenda - unlike some.
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        • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
          Originally Posted by RC7000 View Post

          Sorry? My business partner was there in Las Vegas. I know exactly what this is all about. I'm not promoting this product at all so have no 2nd agenda - unlike some.
          I did not say I was talking about you.

          Some of the poeple in these threads are so way off the mark with speculations. I have heard both sides.

          I do agree the hype aspect is not appealing but the person and the product is good enough to get a return on investment.

          Can anyone honestly say that they could not get $2000 in returns if they apply the entire course and do what it teaches?
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  • Profile picture of the author templar
    Looking at the search results for wasabi8899, it is definitely him.

    The whois info on therichjerksecret is already private, but the iframe still shows wasabi8899...and that term brings up aymen-specific info, so this is the right guy.


    Anyone that wants to check out Aymen, and get a fantastic education can go to all the discussions he's been in, and discover a lot of useful things - free.
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    • Profile picture of the author TE2
      Originally Posted by templar View Post

      Looking at the search results for wasabi8899, it is definitely him.

      The whois info on therichjerksecret is already private, but the iframe still shows wasabi8899...and that term brings up aymen-specific info, so this is the right guy.

      youtube video posted by wasabi8899

      Anyone that wants to check out Aymen, and get a fantastic education can go to all the discussions he's been in, and discover a lot of useful things - free.
      Someone is covering their tracks in a hurry.

      The video has been "removed by user"

      Regards,

      John
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  • Profile picture of the author Memo
    Well there are two guys behind the launch. I don't know Aymen. But the other guy, I know is making good money. We bought the same course in PPC and CPA. He bought it six months before I did, and I remember all his posts in the forum, and the post he wrote 3 months after buying the course that he was in $10 000 every month. Don't know how much he is doing now.

    I have heard that it is possible to make $50-$100K day. And I think does really successful affiliates don't just hangaround here at WF
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  • Profile picture of the author DougBarger
    Hey Ebbi,

    They didn't mean for you to take the word "Conspiracy" literally! Lol.
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    • Profile picture of the author Warrior Simon
      "the truth is out there, you're about to find out where it's been hiding..."
      ;-)

      thanks, Ebbi!

      what really pisses me off is the price...
      if you make up to 100k a day and want others to succeed with CPA because you are about to launch your own CPA-network and you charge 2k for a course, well, I guess you can call that 'greedy'...
      I will definitely not buy this course and would rather see if a warrior here on the forum can give me similar information which I will be happy to pay for!
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      • Profile picture of the author vic_msn
        Originally Posted by Konja View Post

        "the truth is out there, you're about to find out where it's been hiding..."
        ;-)

        thanks, Ebbi!

        what really pisses me off is the price...
        if you make up to 100k a day and want others to succeed with CPA because you are about to launch your own CPA-network and you charge 2k for a course, well, I guess you can call that 'greedy'...
        I will definitely not buy this course and would rather see if a warrior here on the forum can give me similar information which I will be happy to pay for!
        I am in process of creating my own guide for CPA offers..
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      • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
        Originally Posted by Konja View Post

        "the truth is out there, you're about to find out where it's been hiding..."
        ;-)

        thanks, Ebbi!

        what really pisses me off is the price...
        if you make up to 100k a day and want others to succeed with CPA because you are about to launch your own CPA-network and you charge 2k for a course, well, I guess you can call that 'greedy'...
        I will definitely not buy this course and would rather see if a warrior here on the forum can give me similar information which I will be happy to pay for!
        What sort advice are you likely to get for less than $2k?
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        • Profile picture of the author Warrior Simon
          Originally Posted by James Schramko View Post

          What sort advice are you likely to get for less than $2k?
          are you kidding? I wouldn't be surprised if I got that kind of info for free in the War Room.
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  • Profile picture of the author RC7000
    vic_msn, what is the point in announcing that?
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    • Profile picture of the author vic_msn
      Originally Posted by RC7000 View Post

      vic_msn, what is the point in announcing that?
      previous poster said he'd be glad to purchase from a fellow warrior...
      so I thought I'll post about my ideas,,,
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  • Profile picture of the author Louis Raven
    This proves nothing. In ten years time he may still be asking questions in forums. I'm sure there's not a point were you just.. stop learning.

    Good find none the less bro.

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    • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
      Originally Posted by Louis Raven View Post

      This proves nothing. In ten years time he may still be asking questions in forums. I'm sure there's not a point were you just.. stop learning.

      Good find none the less bro.

      Louis

      It proves he was asking "basic" questions that somebody supposedly earning $100,000 per day should not need to be asking and if he's asking questions of the kind shown why should I pay him $2000 to teach me, that's really the point being made.
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      • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
        Originally Posted by SimonHarrison View Post

        It proves he was asking "basic" questions that somebody supposedly earning $100,000 per day should not need to be asking and if he's asking questions of the kind shown why should I pay him $2000 to teach me, that's really the point being made.
        It proves nothing because it wasn't him...
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        • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
          Originally Posted by James Schramko View Post

          It proves nothing because it wasn't him...
          It wasn't him ?

          Perhaps I missed a post, seemed beyond conclusive no ?

          What leads you to believe despite everything in this thread that it wasn't him ?

          Strange all the bread crumbs are dissapearing..
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          • Profile picture of the author templar
            Simon,

            Just go to the top of this thread and read what happened...

            It is a very credible phone call.

            Originally Posted by SimonHarrison View Post

            It wasn't him ?

            Perhaps I missed a post, seemed beyond conclusive no ?

            What leads you to believe despite everything in this thread that it wasn't him ?

            Strange all the bread crumbs are dissapearing..
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            • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
              So a person that he was helping out took his own Clickbank username and..

              Never mind, there was a huge amount of information in the OP that linked the two together, I see that is now gone as is the posts on the forums and videos etc.

              To fishy for my liking, to fishy by half.
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          • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
            Originally Posted by SimonHarrison View Post

            It wasn't him ?

            Perhaps I missed a post, seemed beyond conclusive no ?

            What leads you to believe despite everything in this thread that it wasn't him ?
            I asked him.
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  • Profile picture of the author templar
    Well, I am very excited to hear Aymen called you and you spoke for 20 minutes. I watched the video from his affiliate manager, Anthony, and it seems he was living in Montreal near Aymen, and Aymen was living with some people, maybe his brother, or some relative.

    Anyways, it's looking great, and I am excited as ever about the purchase I made, and my mega bonus offer still stands.
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    • Profile picture of the author Warrior Simon
      well okay Aymen,
      I'll have a look at your product for $5,000.
      that's 50% off!!!

      ;-)
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  • Profile picture of the author Noah Fleming
    Wow a lot of interesting stuff happens over night.

    I don't know the basis of the first post as it seems to be edited but where are those questions coming from in post #2?

    Aymen the man without last name called you?!?! Did your call display pick up his last name? World location?

    Spy work?!?!

    International Conspiracies!!!

    What the heck happened while I was sleeping?!!?

    God love the Warrior Forum!
    :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author templar
    Noah,

    I think the cat is out of the bag, since google has it in its index already (hint hint)...

    I also tagged this video with his name...


    It will be interesting to see how the "delay" affects sales at noon today...
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  • Profile picture of the author digabot
    Aymen and Emmanuel are Gauher Chaudhry's top students. These guys definitely know what they're doing and are definitely raking it in (although they aren't doing $100k a day consistently - not close).

    The whole "arbitrage" idea is misleading. This is just affiliate marketing. Traffic and conversion.

    Take the time to learn and run with credible networks (not the dbags who shave and scrub your leads) and you can make an amazing living.

    You're going to work though doing this. This isn't some automated ATM. Definitely not a "lifestyle business".

    Like anything, this approach works, but it's not going to fall into your lap and you have to be willing to commit time and CAPITAL.

    Originally Posted by HarveyJ View Post

    Furthermore, if he's so awesome at this, why the hell are there any technical problems with the site at all? You get a team of people that know what they're doing and make sure it's live before you get on with it.
    It's not like it's difficult to set up a page, and a secure payment gateway.
    This seems to be a popular "technique" that's been used during a lot of launches by the guru crowd. I'm sure there will be some bonus where all the partners have a chance to get you on their list so they can carpet bomb your inbox with sales pitches disguised as content.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ebbi
    I was asked by a fellow warrior if it was okey for Aymen to
    call me and explain this whole Wasabi8899 issue.
    I of course said yes, because it's not like I did this post to damage
    Aymen, heck.... I wanted to know the truth and I don't think
    I could have gotten a better opportunity.

    The call was very interesting and after clearing this whole Wasabi8899
    issues I took the chance to ask him few questions regarding his
    product and methods. He was more than willing to answer all my
    questions and shared few gold nuggets along the way which were
    really impressive.

    Aymen actually took up the phone and explained himself and I
    have to show him respect for that. I can understand why he didn't
    want his personal information flying around the internet so I of
    course took it away like any good warrior would have done.

    How you translate this thread is up to you. I know I have changed
    my mind regarding Aymen because if he really would have been
    full of BS, he wouldn't have called me 1 hour after the this thread
    went live.

    Ebbi
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    • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
      Originally Posted by Ebbi View Post

      I can understand why he didn't
      want his personal information flying around the internet so I of
      course took it away like any good warrior would have done.
      I thought it wasn't his information, it was a student's ...

      because if he really would have been
      full of BS, he wouldn't have called me 1 hour after the this thread
      went live.

      Ebbi
      Surely that's exactly what he would have done to try minimise the damage.

      His story in relation to the original information you had posted doesn't make sense at all.

      The fact that all the evidence is being rapidly removed, videos, posts etc on other forums only leads me to believe this smells fishy.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ebbi
        Originally Posted by SimonHarrison View Post

        I thought it wasn't his information, it was a student's ...



        Surely that's exactly what he would have done to try minimise the damage.

        His story in relation to the original information you had posted doesn't make sense at all.

        The fact that all the evidence is being rapidly removed, videos, posts etc on other forums only leads me to believe this smells fishy.
        The post actually showed Aymen's personal information. You can still
        go to the digital point forum and search the username Wasabi8899.
        Then you'll find all the posts made by his student.

        Through my background check I reveled his personal information
        on my way to find the username Wasabi8899

        Also what kind of damage do you think this thread has/would have
        done to his launch? This product has been promoted by almost every
        big gun out there and the site has well over 500.000 views so far.
        1000 people have viewed this thread.

        But then again I don't have a clue if this course is going to be any
        good or not... Do I know for sure Aymen told me the truth on the
        phone? NO... every single word he told me might have been total
        BS and I'm fully aware of that. But I'm giving him the benefit of the
        doubt, of course this launch has been hyped up BIG time which make
        people like you and me believe it's too good to be true and again it
        might all be. The guarantees he's offering are unheard of so that
        also should give you a good example what's to come.

        If you buy it and see this is not for you, he'll refund you the money
        If you buy, take action and don't see results, he'll refund you the money
        plus extra $500 for your trouble.


        Where is my affiliate link when I need it!! lol

        Anyways, I guess we'll just have to wait and see how people react to
        this product and then the truth will be out there.

        Ebbi
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      • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
        Originally Posted by SimonHarrison View Post

        I thought it wasn't his information, it was a student's ...



        Surely that's exactly what he would have done to try minimise the damage.

        His story in relation to the original information you had posted doesn't make sense at all.
        It makes perfect sense - you have not read it correctly.

        Aymen used Aymend details to host his students site with his students nickname. It is the student who made the posts.

        Read Gauher's email about Aymen and Emanual if you want to get a third party un-biased (he is not promoting) opinion. You will then see that these two are bona-fidi experts and how ridiculous this makes some posters look.
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  • Profile picture of the author buddhabux
    Let me add my 2 cents...

    Aymen sent me an email re a post on the blog before the launch saying he wanted to talk about the content of my post.

    so i sent him an email with my phone #, he called me promptly and we had a great chat for about 20 minutes.

    im a pretty good judge of character... i say hes a good guy, sincere, and he got where he is by being smart and working hard. he has the kind of personality where i definitely could see him just helping out a friend as described rather than getting into chit-chat about it.

    based on talking with aymen, i also agree with james schramko's comments on his blog that aymen is tuned into abundance thinking and is a generous person with high vision. he is very action oriented and high energy.

    finally, the voice i heard on the phone is identical to the one that did the big conference call the day before the launch day (that got delayed).

    so thats my contribution...

    peace to everybody, and happy holidays, david
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    • Profile picture of the author templar
      Originally Posted by buddhabux View Post

      Aymen ...called me promptly and we had a great chat for about 20 minutes.... i say hes a good guy, sincere, and he got where he is by being smart and working hard. he has the kind of personality where i definitely could see him just helping out a friend as described ...i also agree with james schramko's comments on his blog that aymen is tuned into abundance thinking and is a generous person with high vision. he is very action oriented and high energy.
      Thanks Buddha...it confirms my conclusion on this.

      Brad Fallon had Aymen over to his house, looked at everything, and then decided to bring the top online earners to decide if it was as good as it looked, and that's kinda how we got to where we are. I am in, hundreds more are in, and it is full steam ahead.
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      • Profile picture of the author MaskedMarketer
        Originally Posted by templar View Post

        I am in, hundreds more are in, and it is full steam ahead.
        Do they teach you that in Herd Marketing 101? LOL

        I'm sure it may be a decent product, but you have an obvious agenda to get a piece of that 2k
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        • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
          Originally Posted by MaskedMarketer View Post

          Do they teach you that in Herd Marketing 101? LOL
          Good call !
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          • Profile picture of the author MaskedMarketer
            Originally Posted by James Schramko View Post

            Good call !
            Promoting a product is one thing (to actually believe in it), but don't just follow the leader. Understanding that most are followers is the biggest money making secret of all time

            And James, if Aymen personally helped you make money, I understand why you would promote it. Doesn't mean I believe it, but show us some results with some of your customers

            I'm only interested in results, nothing else...

            The only way I would personally promote any product is if I used it myself (and saw results claimed) and thought it was one of the best in its class.

            If thats the case with you James, you're doing the right thing!
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            • Profile picture of the author templar
              Dear hidden masked guy,

              there's some very good news...you can use this yourself, and in about 12 weeks, you can come back here and tell us what you thought. We'll be here.

              If you think it's not for you, skip it...no one will notice. No one will hear you scream.


              Originally Posted by MaskedMarketer View Post

              The only way I would personally promote any product is if I used it myself (and saw results claimed) and thought it was one of the best in its class.
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            • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
              Originally Posted by MaskedMarketer View Post

              Promoting a product is one thing (to actually believe in it), but don't just follow the leader. Understanding that most are followers is the biggest money making secret of all time

              And James, if Aymen personally helped you make money, I understand why you would promote it. Doesn't mean I believe it, but show us some results with some of your customers

              I'm only interested in results, nothing else...

              The only way I would personally promote any product is if I used it myself (and saw results claimed) and thought it was one of the best in its class.

              If thats the case with you James, you're doing the right thing!
              Thanks,

              Yes that is exactly the case. He personally helped me and here are some of the results:

              http://www.doubledigitctr.com/images...e-day-comm.jpg

              (This was a CPA offer that I sidestepped and went direct to the merchant to get a bigger cut).

              Regards

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              • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
                Originally Posted by jka25 View Post

                I was a part of the arbitrage conspiracy and i thought it was incredible, the amount of stuff that you learned was amazing. Totally over delivered in the entire 12 weeks and gave so much info, and was very ethical. Thanks

                In fact you should check this out for the new launch jessiekandola.com/?p=100 Aymen of Arbitrage Conspiracy-$50,000 A day!
                Funny on so many levels.

                Welcome to the WF btw ..

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          • Profile picture of the author templar
            This product launch is waking up a lot of marketers...just got one from David Vallieres name dropping so he can get it on his google alerts), who is recommending arbitrage conspiracy, and now offering his own low cost cpa training program...and he recently went full-time into stock market trading.

            CPA is big money, if you can figure it out, and we now know the players in CPA all know Ayem and Emmanuel...and there are still some spots available.


            Originally Posted by James Schramko View Post

            Good call !
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          • Profile picture of the author estudent
            I bought Arbitrage Conspiracy on the call with Shawn Casey last Wednesday 12 noon. The launch was delayed for nearly 3 hours - and we were told on that call that nobody else would have acces to the sales page until some time later and we were directed to ...livecall...com... to place our order so we would be the first to get access to the bonuses.

            There were problems with the purchase - basically my credit card was dinged but the order page said that the credit card was denied, I tried again (5 times) and the order would not complete I rang my bank and they were holding back the transaction because they thought it was suspicious (I'm in Australia and obviously it was an international transaction) I gave the bank permission to release the funds and they gave me an authorisation no. for the transaction.

            I have tried numerous ways to contact Ayman and his band of merry men.
            I lodged a support ticket with Shawn Casey - who gave me the support email for Aymen
            I have sent three emails and received no reply, I stumbled upon the support page on arbitrageconspiracy.com and submitted a ticket there - no reply.

            This is starting to smell like 4 day old fish.

            I really dislike sales pages or launches where there is no email / support page / phone no.
            It's like 'Hey I'll take your money but oh no I don't want to talk to anyone or help you with anything'

            What would you do if this happend to you?
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            • Profile picture of the author Lance K
              Originally Posted by estudent View Post

              stumbled upon the support page on arbitrageconspiracy.com and submitted a ticket there - no reply.
              Do they have a help desk system? All I found was the support email address.
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            • Profile picture of the author estudent
              They do hav a support page ...arbi.conspiracy.../support ( the system won;t let me post urls yet so you get the drift)

              But when you try to register is says 'manual user registration failed.

              This is definitely not off to a good start and it has been my experience that if things don't start off well they usually don't improve much along the way and usually declines.

              I am really surprised that the 'Gurus' supported something that is so half baked - I think they tried to roll it out too quckly without all the right systems in place and tested working!!!

              This is pretty shameful for this amount of money or for any amount.

              It may sound really promising but Aymen is losing credibility fast - if he can't deliver on the little stuff - a simple reply to a customers email - how is he going to deliver on the big stuff?

              At this point thay have not even acknowleged my order even though they have my money!

              If I lived in the US I would be taking a drive down to Las Vegas to sort this out

              Definitely not good to piss your customers off before you even get started or at any time if you want a good reputation.

              It doesn't tke 4 days to setup an autoresponder to reply to emails.
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            • Profile picture of the author Peter Johnston
              That sucks man. I bought AC through Joe "somebody" as his bonus is to give support and go through the fine details as he seems to know a bit about CPA etc whereas I do not.
              I thought this was a cool alternative to a bonus that gives more "stuff" leading to info overload.
              If I make $1000 a day with it then I'll be happy.
              If not then the refund PLUS the $500 on top out of his own pocket will be quickly requested.
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              • Profile picture of the author docmatt
                Peter, I truly wish you the best of luck on your success with this program, but are you aware of the tens of thousands of dollars you will need to spend in order to qualify for the $500 bonus? That is a shaky gamble- Better off focusing on the First Guarantee, IF you need it- I really hope you, and everybody else, won't-

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                • Profile picture of the author Harlan
                  Just got this email:

                  Hey,

                  Just a quick note from all of us here at Arbitrage
                  headquarters!

                  Doors to the training will open tomorrow afternoon!

                  So you can expect your logins to the membership
                  site as well as some fast track content to get
                  you started then! Watch your email for your
                  access link, usename and password...

                  The OFFICIAL Week one will begin in January,
                  however there is a TON of stuff we need you
                  to learn NOW to get all prepped and ready for
                  class in the new year.

                  Much of this content will allow you to begin
                  with the methodology right away...

                  Get ready to learn and earn!

                  Aymen and the Arbitragers


                  P.S. - The excitement about our course has triggered
                  thousands of email questions. We have received all of
                  your questions and are diligently working to respond
                  to each and every one of your questions personally.
                  So please be patient and we will respond personally!


                  And now I have a question:

                  When does the 30 days begin for the guarantee?

                  Is it the usual from the date of purchase of is it from when the
                  course begins in the first week of January?

                  Because if it's from date of purchase, waiting until
                  the fourth week of the course will be too late.

                  Hopefully, there will be some way to figure this out.

                  Peace.
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                  • Profile picture of the author nobodyspecial
                    Originally Posted by Harlan View Post

                    Is it the usual from the date of purchase of is it from when the
                    course begins in the first week of January?
                    The email says the course will begin in January, not specifically the first week of January.
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                  • Profile picture of the author mikewa
                    "And now I have a question:

                    When does the 30 days begin for the guarantee?

                    Is it the usual from the date of purchase of is it from when the
                    course begins in the first week of January?

                    Because if it's from date of purchase, waiting until
                    the fourth week of the course will be too late."


                    My concern is that in the sales letter I read dated Dec 11, 2008, I understood the guarantee to be 12 weeks unless they are putting all 12 weeks info on the website during the first 30 days:-

                    A 100% Money-Back Guarantee #1!
                    After you complete this 12 week training course, if you don't feel it was worth every single penny and more of your under $2,000 investment, I will refund every give you all your money back with absolutely no strings attached.

                    I feel a little uneasy when I see the guarantee on the website reading 30 days and I would hope the the "big names" who endorsed this porgram would be a little concerned too!
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                    • Profile picture of the author LeBof
                      Wow, as a complete newbie to the affiliate marketing game I'm concerned to say the least. I was linked to the Arbitrage Conspiracy by (what I thought was) a reputable source - I realise now that they were probably payed to link me to it.

                      I can't deny that I like the idea of the course - I mean who wouldn't be impressed with a potential daily income of $100k? But I thought I'd do a little homework before signing my last pennies on Earth over to the programme and I'm glad I took the time to read this blog.

                      There are so many polarised opinions on here that it's quite frankly frightened me out of signing up to it. There's absolutely no way my girlfriend (or probably anyone elses) would be too happy if I was to tell her I'd wasted my last buck on being sucked in to a false dream.

                      Does anybody without a link to Aymen's report on their profile have any unbiased experience of the man himself and the programme he's selling? What I do find quite odd, I have to admit, is that the course costs $2k but Aymen and his associates are eluding to figures suggesting that they take home $100k daily on a regular basis. This said, how is my $2k going to impact upon their bank accounts?

                      Help is experience and experience helps.

                      LeBof.
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          • Profile picture of the author FatLarry
            I would like to see a group of experienced WF members get together and create a directory of decent tools - that actually work. Tried and tested tools -not shams, not scams and not half-arsed efforts.

            I would happily pay a membership fee for access to this sort of highly qualified data to save the hundreds of hours wasted trying to figure out if xyz tool is actually any good.

            Obviously it is in the spirit of free-open forums to discuss things that work - problem is people always see it as an open market place and always will.
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          • Profile picture of the author RogerAderholdt
            Starting to wonder if anyone here actually gets anything done during the day or night, lol..
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        • Profile picture of the author buddhabux
          Originally Posted by MaskedMarketer View Post

          Do they teach you that in Herd Marketing 101? LOL

          I'm sure it may be a decent product, but you have an obvious agenda to get a piece of that 2k
          im not sure what youre saying, so my comment here may not apply, but Aymen and i had a good laugh about how the IM gurus were reacting to somebody who made alot more $$$ than they do!

          btw, im not promoting AC, as you can see... my honest opinion, i think Aymen is a great guy... he is not a con artist... he made no money off of me, he called me to discuss some sensitive issues i cannot repeat here, but imho only a very sensitive -- and ethical -- marketer would do so.

          so... i would like to humbly suggest to anybody having a reaction to Aymen and AC, that maybe they check their own abundance acceptance level?

          encountering a person making 50K to 100K a day can be shocking to your "poverty programs" and bring up some "resistance."

          sorry if this is too woo-woo, im into this kind of approach and so is Aymen.

          like i said, may not apply to you... just a point i have not heard before!

          peace & prosperity, david
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  • Profile picture of the author asr_guy
    I got invited to Vegas but couldn't make it. I haven't met Aymen but I did meet his launch manager Anthony. As for the course I have no clue if it's good or not.

    You never really know until you buy it, take action, and see for yourself.

    This is the problem with big launches today - you get a sh*tload of affiliates mailing claiming it's the greatest thing since sliced bread and they have their own "reviews" but it's all to get the click.

    Even adding bonuses on top of stuff you're promoting doesn't make it any more legit.

    All I can say is I drove to Vancouver to meet up with their launch guy and interviewed him. We did a 1 take interview and it's below in my sig.

    If the sig is different then I've changed it to something else.

    So I'm not pushing it either way, just took the time to dig some extra info from Anthony, although my wife was nagging me to get back in the car and drive back over the mountains (5 hour drive).

    I'm not offering a bonus, but my link is somewhere to the right of the video and it's blatantly mentioned in the video.

    Cheers,
    Peter
    PS Anthony seems like one of the good guys - he patiently walked around with me downtown in the middle of a Xmas parade until we could find a quiet place to shoot this thing. He was up till 4am that day working on some email for the affiliates, so considering all that I thought he was pretty generous w/ his time considering he could have spent that time on other things for the launch which would have gotten them more traffic than my little 5 min video.
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  • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
    I have met Aymen that is why I like the course.
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    • Profile picture of the author Lance K
      Originally Posted by James Schramko View Post

      I have met Aymen that is why I like the course.
      James, have you been able to see the course as it's being sold now? If so, do you know if there really are going to be monthly fees (membership, software, etc.) that were NOT mentioned on the sales letter?
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      • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
        Originally Posted by Lance K View Post

        James, have you been able to see the course as it's being sold now? If so, do you know if there really are going to be monthly fees (membership, software, etc.) that were NOT mentioned on the sales letter?
        I have the blueprint and I am asking the question about monthly fees.
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        • Profile picture of the author Lance K
          Originally Posted by James Schramko View Post

          I have the blueprint and I am asking the question about monthly fees.

          Thank you James. I appreciate it. Like I said, I'm still willing to give them a fair shake if they just communicate and be upfront about things. I know they're busy. Hopefully you get a reply from them. Thanks again!
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          • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
            Originally Posted by Lance K View Post

            Thank you James. I appreciate it. Like I said, I'm still willing to give them a fair shake if they just communicate and be upfront about things. I know they're busy. Hopefully you get a reply from them. Thanks again!
            I am sure people who stick through will get the training promised. It is guaranteed according to the sales letter.

            I'll let you know when I hear something. It must be early in the morning there right now?
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            • Profile picture of the author Lance K
              Originally Posted by James Schramko View Post

              I am sure people who stick through will get the training promised. It is guaranteed according to the sales letter.

              I'll let you know when I hear something. It must be early in the morning there right now?
              No worries. Just figured you would get a faster reply than some others. Thanks again. I'll just sit quietly now and wait for the official word.
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              • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
                Originally Posted by jimrpips View Post

                Ask him to let everyone who bought the system under his ORIGINAL 12-week "Iron-Clad 100%" guarantee (before he stealth-sitwched to a vague 30-day) know he will HONOR THAT ORIGINAL GUARANTEE.
                You are most likely covered by whatever the guarantee was at the time of purchase according to the other post.
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  • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
    I have left a message and will need to get some rest for a few hours. Will keep you posted.
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  • Profile picture of the author J Bold
    So, can anyone loan me $2000 to get this program? It sounds shocking. It's either the greatest invention since the wheel or a scam worthy of a movie starring Leonardo Di Caprio.
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  • Profile picture of the author GerardWon
    wow jim- I'd be really concerned too... I mean that is a bundle of greenbacks. So this guy, Aymen, is basically like a masked superhero, huh? wow, I hope it works out for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
    The blog has been updated and all support tickets will be answered.

    There are no monthly fees Lance.
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      • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
        Originally Posted by Jeff Olah View Post

        Are you sure about the monthly membership? [/COLOR]

        Thanks

        Jeff
        Yes Aymen told me this directly.
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        • Profile picture of the author estudent
          Hey James if you talk directly to Aymen why not get him to anwer some of the posts here?

          We sure would appreciate it!
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          • Profile picture of the author templar
            Aymen is a wee bit busy...but some very good news...by the end of the coming week, everyone will have a very clear picture on Arbitrage Conspiracy.

            The training, the refunds, the faq...and first reports from members...

            I can tell it's going to be a ton of fun for those who took the plunge.

            Originally Posted by estudent View Post

            Hey James if you talk directly to Aymen why not get him to anwer some of the posts here?

            We sure would appreciate it!
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      • Profile picture of the author Peter Johnston
        I spoke to them about this monthly membership issue and they assure me that it is completely un-true and that any forced subscription after the innitial sign up would be against the law.

        they also mentioned that this could have been a cookie cutter for an earlier idea for a previously posponed launch.

        So basically there is no monthly subscription but maybe there will be the option for a membership fee AFTER the 12 week course which presumably you will know by that time if it's worth doing or alternatively, asking for your refund.

        P.S. what the heck is a cookie cutter?
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        • Profile picture of the author templar
          That's what was said a few days ago...and if you get a chance, ask them to update the fine print pages with that info...it is definitely cut and paste stuff that can be cleaned up once they get things under control.

          Originally Posted by Peter Johnston View Post

          I spoke to them about this monthly membership issue and they assure me that it is completely un-true and that any forced subscription after the innitial sign up would be against the law.

          they also mentioned that this could have been a cookie cutter for an earlier idea for a previously posponed launch.
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  • Profile picture of the author Peter Johnston
    Well. I hope it works cos I'm in...

    It's the only course I've ever seen whereby the seller not only offers a money back guarantee but will pay you $500 on top if you are not satissfied with it.
    Try as I might and I am a sceptic at best of times but can't see anything wrong with an offer like that. Unless of course he dissappears into thin air with everyones money.. Hmmm..
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    • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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      Originally Posted by Peter Johnston View Post

      Well. I hope it works cos I'm in...

      It's the only course I've ever seen whereby the seller not only offers a money back guarantee but will pay you $500 on top if you are not satissfied with it.
      Try as I might and I am a sceptic at best of times but can't see anything wrong with an offer like that. .
      You might want to read that guarantee again. They do not say they will pay you an extra $500 if you aren't satisfied. Here's what they DO say:

      "If after following our entire 12 week system step by step, creating an average of 2 campaigns per day (approx 30 minutes each once you perfect the process), and you're still not making your money back for this course, simply send us your logins to verify the campaigns and revenues, and we'll refund you every single penny PLUS send you an EXTRA $500!"

      So, to claim this extra $500, you have to create just under 180 campaigns over 12 weeks. I'm pretty sure there won't be too many collecting that $500.

      By the way, not to be mean, but, does anyone else think the sales letter sucks? Maybe it's just me, but that sucker was painful to read.
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  • Profile picture of the author Leanne King
    I think these guys need someone to help with their public relations Hopefully, all this feedback will help them improve their product and resolve issues with existing and future customers by addressing their concerns.

    Leanne
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    • Profile picture of the author EliteAffiliate
      Originally Posted by James Schramko View Post

      Thanks,

      Yes that is exactly the case. He personally helped me and here are some of the results:

      (This was a CPA offer that I sidestepped and went direct to the merchant to get a bigger cut).

      Regards

      James
      Nice screen shot. I would love to make that kind of money. However, you said it was a CPA offer, yet I thought CPA was leads - getting paid for actions, not sales. Each transaction in your screen shot shows a sale and then a % commission of that sale. So people were buying different products and that's what you were getting paid for. Looks like 3 different products, according the prices. Isn't that just regular affiliate sales?

      Originally Posted by buddhabux View Post

      so... i would like to humbly suggest to anybody having a reaction to Aymen and AC, that maybe they check their own abundance acceptance level?

      encountering a person making 50K to 100K a day can be shocking to your "poverty programs" and bring up some "resistance."
      I have no shock or resistance, just skepticism based off of the different things said and shown. If he actually showed proof of the amount of income he claims I would feel better about it and have total belief and inspiration from it. Seeing what's possible from other people just motivates me and opens my mind even more. He could even just show screen shots of his bank account or anything.

      He said in one of his interviews that some days they lose money. So, he's not making 50-100k a day, everyday. I think it's more like they hit that a couple times so are using that as their high number claim. Instead I would rather know about and appreciate knowing what his monthly average gross and net is, not a single day that is so wildly up and down fluctuating.

      Originally Posted by templar View Post

      CPA is big money, if you can figure it out, and we now know the players in CPA all know Ayem and Emmanuel...and there are still some spots available.
      I would appreciate if anyone who has been in this industry for a while can tell me how the current environment is for it compared to before. With the economy so tough and advertising budgets plummeting, are the rates these companies offering for each action drastically going down? I know it did with mortgage leads. When I did them before they paid $20-$150 a lead, and now it's like $3-15 or whatever. I also know that ads are much cheaper now and all media is suffering from losing revenue on not being able to fill their inventory, so ad budgets are down everywhere. Any input on CPA in regards to this? Thanks.

      As far as the Guarantee, it is very confusing, the language. Even before they changed it, it didn't say it was a 12 week guarantee, and now it doesn't say it is a 30 day guarantee. Both say it as though it is the min. amount of time before you can ask for a refund. It said AFTER the 12 weeks if you didn't like it, you can ask for a refund. OK, so AFTER 12 weeks, but BEFORE when? And now it says AFTER 30 days, it doesn't say before 30 days. So AFTER 30 days and BEFORE when? They should clarify the EXACT cutoff date for everyone. Name the actual calender date. When is the deadline cutoff that they would say - oh too late - you should of asked earlier. They don't say when that is. And for most people who ordered right away, they are not going to go back to the sales page to see if anything has changed, why would they. They read and they bought it, and they never emailed or posted a notice of these changes to their customers.

      There was this one that was 12 weeks or so course but their guarantee was only for the first 45 days. Fine, certainly enough time to see if the education is any good and what they are offering. However it was a total bait and switch in my case at least and was very deceptive. When I tried to sign up for it, they only took paypal, but paypal would not let me charge that much so I couldn't pay. I emailed them to see if they could take a different payment method and finally they got back to me after their launch had ended and told me that they held a spot for me and that I could pay using my credit card with another processor and gave me the link. The link took me to what looked like the Exact same sales page but with a different link at the bottom to the new payment processor. I just scrolled right to the bottom and signed up. The course was nothing like they claimed and was very low quality. I gave it a chance though, and a few weeks later requested a refund. I never heard anything back. I thought I had 45 days though as it stated on the sales page so I didn't panic or anything. Then when I saw the 45 days was coming up, I emailed them again to make sure I got a response before the deadline. They responded immediately saying that they would not refund it because I missed the deadline of 30 days. Apparently in the new, identical looking sales page link that of course I didn't bother to re-read every line of, they changed the refund policy to 30 days, but only for people who ordered through that page as opposed to the main page. Two different policies, and of course they had to of known that people already trying to pay would have already read the original sales page and not bother to read an identical one again to see if they sneakily changed any line in it to a new or different policy or what they are getting. Just trying to pay. They could of been upfront in the email they sent out. Anyways I forwarded them the email I had sent them a few weeks earlier and finally got the refund after much pleading and headache. They were absolutely dead set on not giving it, even though they knew what they did was highly confusing and unfair, having 2 different deadlines for their same customers. Doesn't make me trust these marketers that much anymore. All this hype, but read the fine print, save screenshots, save all emails etc. I don't want a refund if something is really good, but if it's crap and their sales pitch was all hype, they should stand behind their product. They didn't even offer extra help or any reason to stay with their course and make it work for me, just flat out - no we're keeping your money - you didn't read the fine print - sorry!
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      • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
        Originally Posted by EliteAffiliate View Post

        Nice screen shot. I would love to make that kind of money. However, you said it was a CPA offer, yet I thought CPA was leads - getting paid for actions, not sales.
        You can have pay per lead or pay per sale. This company had different size packages available for the same product.

        They ran the offer over 21 CPA networks so I went direct to them and cut a better percentage.
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      • Profile picture of the author templar
        CPA has changed a lot, but not an unexpected amount. There are some things, like health and money, that never change...just the offers change.

        Funny enough, biz opp stuff is doing better now than earlier this year...

        For any serious purchase, I always recommending printing out the sales page and order receipts...many companies have been known to change terms that make a good deal a definite no go...and with everything in bold font bright red, everyone would agree this would be the first guarantee to start from.

        Today is the big day where things will start to unfold, so it is pretty exciting for everyone that made the choice to get in.



        Originally Posted by EliteAffiliate View Post


        I would appreciate if anyone who has been in this industry for a while can tell me how the current environment is for it compared to before. With the economy so tough and advertising budgets plummeting, are the rates these companies offering for each action drastically going down? I know it did with mortgage leads. When I did them before they paid $20-$150 a lead, and now it's like $3-15 or whatever. I also know that ads are much cheaper now and all media is suffering from losing revenue on not being able to fill their inventory, so ad budgets are down everywhere. Any input on CPA in regards to this? Thanks.

        As far as the Guarantee, it is very confusing, the language. Even before they changed it, it didn't say it was a 12 week guarantee, and now it doesn't say it is a 30 day guarantee. Both say it as though it is the min. amount of time before you can ask for a refund. It said AFTER the 12 weeks if you didn't like it, you can ask for a refund. OK, so AFTER 12 weeks, but BEFORE when? And now it says AFTER 30 days, it doesn't say before 30 days. So AFTER 30 days and BEFORE when? They should clarify the EXACT cutoff date for everyone. Name the actual calender date. When is the deadline cutoff that they would say - oh too late - you should of asked earlier. They don't say when that is. And for most people who ordered right away, they are not going to go back to the sales page to see if anything has changed, why would they. They read and they bought it, and they never emailed or posted a notice of these changes to their customers.
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        • Profile picture of the author EliteAffiliate
          Originally Posted by templar View Post

          Funny enough, biz opp stuff is doing better now than earlier this year...
          Pretty predictable actually. With so many losing their jobs or under the threat of losing their jobs, they want to explore alternative ways to generate even a supplementary income at least. The competition and saturation will grow, but a good opp. to sell to those newbies and teach them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ebbi
    First I'm going to state my opinion as a customer
    and then as a marketer, because I really think all
    of you need to so the same!!

    Customer.
    If the training material starts to come in tomorrow
    and it's some useful stuff even if it's not the official
    week 1, I should be able to get a rather clear picture
    if this is going to be something for me or not.
    Of course I would love to think the guarantee starts
    in January but I'm not going to hold my breath.
    (Don't have a clue if does or not!)

    Marketer.
    OF COURSE... the guarantee starts the day a customer
    buy's the course. I personally would make it start
    tomorrow when people get access to the material.
    Would I wait until January... I don't think so!
    It's business folks and you need to start looking at this
    as you would look at your own business.

    Get your head out of the sand and start looking at
    others people products and you'll see exactly the same
    BS going on... this is just how things go. If you don't
    like it ask for the refund!!

    ----------

    Great example is (guru), (product name) product.
    There he's doing a 4 week product that costs if I remember
    correctly somewhere around $197... I was STUPID enough
    to buy it when it launched and it had to be the biggest
    pile of junk I have EVER bought! It's 4 calls, 1 each week.
    ((guru) loves his own voice and LOVES to talk about how
    successful he is)

    Each call is 1 hour filled with information about WHY people
    should buy all his upsell's! that's it.
    And you know what the funny part is! almost every upsell
    he's offering (think they ended in like 8) costs MORE
    than $197 ...
    You see, it wasn't even possible to do what he was teaching
    unless you would buy like 3 of his upsell's, these where tools
    and some more advanced training material! I thought I was
    getting it all in one package but I guess not... I wasn't
    even that excited about the methods, I just bought it because
    of the price... of course I should have known better at the
    time but I got tricked into his "customer funnel" I got out but
    he still tricked me


    When I, the customer found this out it only took me like 10
    minutes to send a refund ticket to his support.
    They answered and told me that it would be taken care of in
    the next 4 days, okay, I waited for 5 days and nothing happened.
    I send out another ticket asking for the refund and guess what
    happened. I got exactly the SAME answer, EXACTLY... It was
    just a copy, paste...

    I of course knew what he was trying to pull here... he was trying
    to make me forget about it so when the 30 days wen't by he
    was free. Instead of coming to the WF and bitching about how
    (guru) is trying to "steal" my money I just sad down and wrote
    another support ticket stating that if my refund wouldn't be taken
    care of in the next 48 hours I would start by calling paypal and
    get them involved.

    In less than 24 hours I got a message saying they where really
    sorry and it would be taken care of asap which they did and I
    got my money only minutes after this message.

    ----------

    Ebbi
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  • Profile picture of the author chatwithapro
    I bought the course and really hope it isn't a major let down...

    They hype these things so much that its hard not to have extremely high, life changing expectations.

    Anyway, in my opinion, $2000 isn't much money for education... I mean, I paid over $15k per year for 4 years to go to college and I really can't recall learning a single thing... chicks and beer were good though.

    If it's a full blown scam, I'll be raging pissed... but if in 12 weeks I'm just a lot better at ppc then I'm sure it will have been worth the price of admission.

    Putting Karma to work for me I am going to pre-commit 10% of any income I make from this program to charity. [arbitrageconspiracygift*wordpress*com] Arbitrators Give Back

    WF IS THE BEST!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
    Cookie Cutter means template. Pre-done. (Like you make cookies by stamping dough with a pre-done outline).
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  • Profile picture of the author Warrior Simon
    Originally Posted by Ebbi View Post

    Then he offered me $10.000 if I would just try his product and if I
    wouldn't make at least $100k in 5 days he was going to pay it out
    of his own pocket!
    Hi Ebbi,

    any updates on how it goes with the program and the $100k in 5 days?

    thanks,
    Konja
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    • Profile picture of the author Noah Fleming
      Originally Posted by Konja View Post

      Hi Ebbi,

      any updates on how it goes with the program and the $100k in 5 days?

      thanks,
      Konja
      LOL. I wondered the same thing.

      I imagine Ebbi took the 10k to try the program, only an idiot wouldn't have taken that offer. Not to mention he was also offered 100k in 5 days.

      Anyways, Ebbi is gone by now. It's been about 5 days so I imagine he's on vacation in the Caribbean or something while his campaigns sit on autopilot bringing in 100k a day.

      Either way he should have gotten 100k either from CPA or Aymen.
      Good question. :rolleyes:
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      • Profile picture of the author Warrior Simon
        I mean, that would be a hell of a testimonial
        a postcard from the caribbean or something...
        ;-)
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  • Profile picture of the author Ebbi
    hehehehe.......

    Getting 100k wouldn't have been HALF bad I tell yahh!
    I would probably be in the Caribbean because it's actually
    below 32 where I am right now

    Ebbi
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    • Profile picture of the author Noah Fleming
      Originally Posted by Ebbi View Post

      hehehehe.......

      Getting 100k wouldn't have been HALF bad I tell yahh!
      I would probably be in the Caribbean because it's actually
      below 32 where I am right now

      Ebbi

      Seriously though?
      You're taking the offer right or you took the offer?
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      • Profile picture of the author Ebbi
        Originally Posted by Noah Fleming View Post

        Seriously though?
        You're taking the offer right or you took the offer?
        Hi Noah..

        I would have taken the offer in a heartbeat if he
        would have offered me it.

        I guess I didn't make the NO big enough but if you
        go back to the the first post in the thread you can
        see I have a big NO... would have been nice but this
        is real life people! Or something like that.

        Maybe I didn't connect it like I should or the most
        obvious reason... The joke was just overall HORRIBLE!
        hehe

        Have a great day!

        Ebbi
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        • Profile picture of the author Noah Fleming
          Originally Posted by Ebbi View Post

          Hi Noah..

          I would have taken the offer in a heartbeat if he
          would have offered me it.

          I guess I didn't make the NO big enough but if you
          go back to the the first post in the thread you can
          see I have a big NO... would have been nice but this
          is real life people! Or something like that.

          Maybe I didn't connect it like I should or the most
          obvious reason... The joke was just overall HORRIBLE!
          hehe

          Have a great day!

          Ebbi
          Oh I just read it quick.
          I thought he actually made you the offer to take the course.

          Oh well, would have been great social proof.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ebbi
    Originally Posted by lee_kim View Post

    here are two guys behind the launch. I don't know Aymen. But the other guy, I know is making good money. We bought the same course in PPC and CPA. He bought it six months before I did, and I remember all his posts in the forum, and the post he wrote 3 months after buying the course that he was in $10 000 every month. Don't know how much he is doing now.
    I believe you are talking about PPCF or payperclick formula!
    Many successful affiliates have and are coming out there.

    It's going to be interested when they launch in January!
    This is probably going to be exactly the same stuff as in AC
    but it might even cost more!

    Someone might think they launched AC so soon for a reason
    hehe

    Ebbi
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  • Profile picture of the author Zeal4Life
    Hey gang!

    Its about 4am here EST. I just finished listening to the call.

    I've got one thing to say: Shock & Awe!

    Just the names on the call...WOW!

    I was so sleepy at about 10pm yesterday, however, I've been scouring the net looking for THE way to go in 2009 and BAM! I see this AC stuff.

    I'm can still "hear" Shawn Casey or Brad Fallon say something along the lines of ... Thank you for taking time out to do this, cos, y'know you could be out there making $1million and it'll take you 10 DAYS of work!

    Aymen, while humble and carefree and all, MUST'VE gone to bed wondering to himself if HE (AYMEN) REALLY did stump all the gurus when he showed them how much he was making and HOW he was making it!

    I think the guru grading needs to be categorized:
    1. Guru
    2. Super Guru
    3. Hyper Guru
    4. Uber Guru
    5. MIDAS (At this level, you literally mint your own gold bullions daily - $100k ++)

    I'm sure there are MIDASes out there making more than Aymen, however, I think I would give him MIDAS level because he's done it in less than 2 years (it seems) and this guy is 25 years old and just finished college!

    OK...

    I'm crawling to bed now, I hope my re-charged abundance thinking will let catch a couple of hours of sleep
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    • Profile picture of the author Blondmoo
      See the TERMS OF USE at the very bottom of the page on AC:

      Its been updated to reflect the confusion about monthly subscriptions.

      SUBSCRIPTION TERMS - Ammended 12/14/2008
      The Arbitrage Conspiracy 12 Week Training Course (Item: Arbitrage-Conspiracy) does not have any subscription fees or costs other than the upfront course purchase price. The Arbitrage Conspiracy 12 Week Training Course (Item: Arbitrage-3EasyPay01) is an easy payment plan option which does have 2 additional monthly payments to complete the purchase. The easy pay details are displayed at checkout and again on the receipt after checkout.

      What concerns me is why Jerry West ( and a couple others) are so concerned about the flaws of this product. Is it really just the fact that they don't address things like "scrub rates" and other less than pleasant things about this business or is it something else.

      I was really looking for some kind of all together package that would save me time/money and pitfalls in pursuing this avenue. But now I am sitting on the fence when I was pretty interested in taking the leap of faith.

      Has anyone seen their Quickstart or has no one taken the plunge?
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      • Profile picture of the author Blondmoo
        And why is lee_kim posting the EXACT same post as Memo #17 ????!!!!!!

        I can think of a couple of reasons off the top of my head for similar, overlapping posts, none of which make me want to get this course now!
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      • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
        Originally Posted by Blondmoo View Post

        What concerns me is why Jerry West ( and a couple others) are so concerned about the flaws of this product. Is it really just the fact that they don't address things like "scrub rates" and other less than pleasant things about this business or is it something else.
        It would be pretty hard for Jerry to make a judgment call on that since he may not have actually seen the product?
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        • Profile picture of the author Blondmoo
          Well, since you have.........

          ...... what about scrub rates, the time it takes to get paid etc, the other side of the coin???!!!

          It is funny one of the people who said definitely don't buy this but if you must you have to buy from James (you) for the worth of his bonuses.

          Its all very confusing, like don't eat dessert 'cause you'll get fat but if you must than at least get the deluxe chocolate peanutbutter pie because it tastes the best, lol.
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          • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
            Originally Posted by Blondmoo View Post

            Well, since you have.........

            ...... what about scrub rates, the time it takes to get paid etc, the other side of the coin???!!!

            It is funny one of the people who said definitely don't buy this but if you must you have to buy from James (you) for the worth of his bonuses.

            Its all very confusing, like don't eat dessert 'cause you'll get fat but if you must than at least get the deluxe chocolate peanutbutter pie because it tastes the best, lol.
            Absolutely - yes they are all covered.

            A - Z that is what will be covered.

            And that guy you are referring to is a very smart guy. He obviously cares very much for his readers. Power to him.
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            • Profile picture of the author cyberws
              "Dude, it's a bit of an open secret that he paid those people for the video endorsements."

              I am one of those who was at the event AND gave a video endorsement. I was not paid one single cent. Zero. Nada.
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              • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
                Originally Posted by cyberws View Post


                I am one of those who was at the event AND gave a video endorsement. I was not paid one single cent. Zero. Nada.
                He saw you coming :-)

                It's even on his affiliate details that affiliates who gave a testimonial would receive a higher commision %
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                • Profile picture of the author MaskedMarketer
                  Originally Posted by cyberws View Post

                  I am one of those who was at the event AND gave a video endorsement. I was not paid one single cent. Zero. Nada.
                  Nice way to walk around the truth. Those higher commission will pay off though

                  Originally Posted by SimonHarrison View Post

                  It's even on his affiliate details that affiliates who gave a testimonial would receive a higher commision %
                  LOL
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                  • Profile picture of the author Harlan
                    People minds are made up.

                    Everyone wants to believe "the gurus" were paid off for their videos.

                    Bull dinky.

                    Would they risk their hard earned reputations for a couple of grand?

                    I don't think so.

                    Now the course is beginning and time will tell whether it is worth it.

                    Frankly, I wish it began right away without giving time to drum more people
                    into the program.

                    But if they deliver the content, it's up to the buyers to use it.

                    We'll see.

                    But meanwhile, unless you have some proof, enough with the cheap unsubstantiated shots.

                    Peace.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
                      Originally Posted by Harlan View Post

                      People minds are made up.

                      Everyone wants to believe "the gurus" were paid off for their videos.

                      .
                      I don't believe they were paid off, in the sense nobody was offered a shaky handshake full of greens, that's pushing a point, were they given a financial incentive in the form of a higher commision % to do so ? YES, catagorically so.

                      For the record, 95% of the negativity on this thread is about their practises up until this point, the course itself may well turn out to be fine.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Harlan
                        Originally Posted by SimonHarrison View Post

                        I don't believe they were paid off, in the sense nobody was offered a shaky handshake full of greens, that's pushing a point, were they given a financial incentive in the form of a higher commision % to do so ? YES, catagorically so.

                        For the record, 95% of the negativity on this thread is about their practises up until this point, the course itself may well turn out to be fine.
                        I don't believe they were offered a higher commission for a video.

                        I do believe super affiliates do get higher commissions in general.

                        Is paying Mike Filsame an extra 10% worth it?

                        Heck yes.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
                          Originally Posted by Harlan View Post

                          I don't believe they were offered a higher commission for a video.
                          40% standard I believe, an extra 5% if you do a testimonial and an extra 5% if you email your list 3 times, I'm pretty sure that was the deal, I'm sure somebody will post the verbatim verbiage, I don't have the time track it down, this is from his own affiliate proposal.

                          I don't make statements of that nature for the hell of it, I have no axe to grind with this guy, other than his bleeding awful launch.

                          For the record, there's nothing wrong at all with paying additional fees to super affiliates, none at all, I do the same myself, there's certainly nothing wrong with giving affiliates more rev share for bombarding their list, there is however something wrong with "paying" affiliates for testimonials.
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                          • Profile picture of the author MaskedMarketer
                            Originally Posted by Harlan View Post

                            I do believe super affiliates do get higher commissions in general.
                            It would be wrong not to give them more.

                            Most successful sales organizations run in a similiar way.

                            Originally Posted by SimonHarrison View Post

                            40% standard I believe, an extra 5% if you do a testimonial and an extra 5% if you email your list 3 times
                            I think giving more commissions to email the list 3 times is good.

                            I do not think giving extra money for a testimonial is good business practice. I like to see real testimonails, not fake, paid, generated ones.

                            Just because you don't get paid on the spot, doesn't mean you're not getting paid to do it, if all this is true.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
                          Originally Posted by Harlan View Post

                          I don't believe they were offered a higher commission for a video.
                          Here you go , taken directly from their own JV website 2 minutes ago.

                          I sugggest checking it soon as no doubt the text will dissapear shortly.

                          ======================================

                          We're also doing something special as far as commissions.

                          1) Mail 2 times in the pre-launch and 2 times during the live launch - An extra 5%

                          2) Make your own video testimonial (you can refer to the Arbitrage Conspiracy report's content) and allude to how much buzz there is about this "new level of revenue potential" since these secrets were exposed in Vegas. If you were in Vegas at the event, talk about that, and how amazingly mind blowing and game changing it was for you - An Extra 5%

                          Proof enough ??

                          That is however people try to spin, asking people to create testimonials for revenue.
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                          • Profile picture of the author MaskedMarketer
                            Originally Posted by SimonHarrison View Post

                            2) Make your own video testimonial (you can refer to the Arbitrage Conspiracy report's content) and allude to how much buzz there is about this "new level of revenue potential" since these secrets were exposed in Vegas. If you were in Vegas at the event, talk about that, and how amazingly mind blowing and game changing it was for you - An Extra 5%

                            Proof enough ??

                            That is however people try to spin, asking people to create testimonials for revenue.
                            I could never back and give a testimonial for a product I've never used. So many people so quick to jump on the band wagon..

                            Thats about as ethical as using this fake Testimonial Generator

                            http://www.resourceseo.com/testm.php - i just found this thing on google thought it was real funny what people do to make money
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                        • Profile picture of the author nobodyspecial
                          Originally Posted by Harlan View Post

                          I don't believe they were offered a higher commission for a video.

                          I do believe super affiliates do get higher commissions in general.

                          Is paying Mike Filsame an extra 10% worth it?

                          Heck yes.
                          Harlan, you gotta check your facts man:

                          JV Blog states 5% bump for sending two emails on Sunday before the launch and 5% bump if in Vegas and they make a video saying how uber cool it was.

                          Anyhow, if you watch the videos, they are as real and genuine and believable as Pamela Anderson's tits.
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      • Profile picture of the author psresearch
        Originally Posted by Blondmoo View Post

        See the TERMS OF USE at the very bottom of the page on AC:

        Its been updated to reflect the confusion about monthly subscriptions.

        SUBSCRIPTION TERMS - Ammended 12/14/2008
        The Arbitrage Conspiracy 12 Week Training Course (Item: Arbitrage-Conspiracy) does not have any subscription fees or costs other than the upfront course purchase price. The Arbitrage Conspiracy 12 Week Training Course (Item: Arbitrage-3EasyPay01) is an easy payment plan option which does have 2 additional monthly payments to complete the purchase. The easy pay details are displayed at checkout and again on the receipt after checkout.

        What concerns me is why Jerry West ( and a couple others) are so concerned about the flaws of this product. Is it really just the fact that they don't address things like "scrub rates" and other less than pleasant things about this business or is it something else.

        I was really looking for some kind of all together package that would save me time/money and pitfalls in pursuing this avenue. But now I am sitting on the fence when I was pretty interested in taking the leap of faith.

        Has anyone seen their Quickstart or has no one taken the plunge?
        Nobody had seen the course when they either recommended it or didn't recommend it - which as previously mentioned is pretty weird as I'm not sure how someone could NOT RECOMMEND or RECOMMEND it if they don't know what it is.- that's why James Schramko has been handling a lot of the questions because at least he's already worked with Aymen and has more details about what's going to be in the course.

        Also, Nikhil Parekh recommended the course and I know Nikhil personally and he knows Aymen and can't imagine him recommending something he doesn't really believe in. Beyond that I'm not sure who else has more details about the actual course.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ebbi
    Enough with this BS.....

    DEAL WITH IT!!

    What's done is done and these boring comments won't do
    any good or bad. It was fine before the launch and even
    after the launch but this is pushing it! People that didn't
    even buy the course are the only one's commenting on this
    because they ether didn't have the cash for it or didn't want
    to buy it in the first place.

    So if you haven't bought the course why in the world are
    you pulling up some worthless crap about the fine print?
    People have been so close minded towards this product that
    they don't even understand that this is how the "big guns"
    do IM... Go to any other "guru" out there and look at their fine
    print and see if you can't find exactly the same BS about
    refunds and guarantees... I'm ready to bet my life on it!!!

    I'll even give you really good odds!

    AND.... the issue if people got paid or higher commission for
    submitting a testimonial is just ridiculous!
    I can GUARANTEE that the affiliates in the top 10 even 20
    didn't have to do something for getting a higher commission..
    If you truly believe that crap than you are in serious trouble.

    They control the lists so they have the power to get what
    they want. Do you think Mike Filsaime got 50% commission??
    Do you really believe Mike Filsaime only got 50% commission??

    Of course not... I wouldn't be surprised if he got close to 70%
    to 75% in commission.

    Move on people!!
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    • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
      Originally Posted by Ebbi View Post

      So if you haven't bought the course why in the world are
      you pulling up some worthless crap about the fine print?!!
      Because some of the issues surrounding it are grizzly at best and this is a forum that discusses such issues. It's utterly irrelevent whether we purchased the course or not, you don't have to purchase a course to make the point it's shady to change a guarantee mid launch, etc.

      This is a discussion forum, and discussion is what you will get, good and bad.

      Nobody cares less whether a given affiliate gets 10% or 80%, it's not newsworthy, it is newsworthy however if they took a bigger % for giving testimonials.

      Deal with it as you said. These guys will need to take the rought with the smooth.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ebbi
        Originally Posted by SimonHarrison View Post

        Nobody cares less whether a given affiliate gets 10% or 80%, it's not newsworthy, it is newsworthy however if they took a bigger % for giving testimonials.
        First of all nothing is newsworthy in this thread! The only thing
        newsworthy was my original post which I then pulled off!!
        And then it turned out to be false! This thread is one huge
        mistake!

        I'm surprised to still see you here and stating this
        ridiculous statements when you should know better!!

        I don't quite understand how you operate!

        Please answer me this question Simon... Do you really believe
        that the "guru's" gave their testimonials for higher commission?
        I mean forget everything about this launch and just think if
        these people already making millions would actually go so low!
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        • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
          Originally Posted by Ebbi View Post

          First of all nothing is newsworthy in this thread! The only thing
          newsworthy was my original post which I then pulled off!!
          And then it turned out to be false! This thread is one huge
          mistake!

          I'm surprised to still see you here and stating this
          ridiculous statements when you should know better!!

          I don't quite understand how you operate!

          Please answer me this question Simon... Do you really believe
          that the "guru's" gave their testimonials for higher commission?
          I mean forget everything about this launch and just think if
          these people already making millions would actually go so low!
          You can ditch the condecension, I suggest you read the above post where I actually quote their OWN website.

          Case closed.

          Do I believe they offered additioanal revenue in return for testimonionals ... YES, why do I believe it , because they even said it themselves.

          Nothing ridiculous about it.

          Any time you want to offer an apology for the digs is fine. :-)
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          • Profile picture of the author MaskedMarketer
            Originally Posted by Ebbi View Post

            The only thing
            newsworthy was my original post which I then pulled off!!
            Okay Mr. Big Head, you're opinion is the only one that matters :rolleyes:

            "just think if
            these people already making millions would actually go so low!"

            Assuming is dangerous - especially when its about money


            Originally Posted by SimonHarrison View Post

            I suggest you read the above post where I actually quote their OWN website.

            Case closed.

            Do I believe it YES, why do I believe it , because they even said it themselves.

            Nothing ridiculous about it Ebbi , it's FACT.
            Where is this website you're speaking about? Is there a link im missing?
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            • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
              Originally Posted by MaskedMarketer View Post


              Where is this website you're speaking about? Is there a link im missing?
              I don't link to somebody's private affiliate site & details on a public forum, it's neither professional or fair.

              Suffice to say I did a direct cut and paste from their site.

              All their affiliates will be able to confirm it.

              Assuming is dangerous - especially when its about money
              My thoughts are that this isn't really a negative on the affiliates themselves, they probably for the most part did the testimonials because they like Aymen, and it always helps to sell to your list if your on the actual website, the additional 5% was probably relatively a moot point in the scheme of things.

              It's far more an issue that they were offering the affiliates revenue for doing so IMO, the blame shouldn't really fall at the affiliates feet, well other than that they did testimonials without even having seen the product.
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              • Profile picture of the author MaskedMarketer
                Originally Posted by SimonHarrison View Post

                I don't link to somebody's private affiliate site & details on a public forum, it's neither professional or fair.
                oh okay, i wasn't even sure how that works.

                Originally Posted by SimonHarrison View Post

                It's far more an issue that they were offering the affiliates revenue for doing so IMO, the blame shouldn't really fall at the affiliates feet, well other than that they did testimonials without even having seen the product.
                The Sheeple do testimonials with out seeing a product because they may be greedy, want to jump on the band wagon, or both.

                Thats why i dont buy affiliate products.

                Just because Aymen makes 100k a day, does not mean he can teach anyone else to make 100k a day.

                And thats why REAL testimonials (product users and customers) would be helpful.

                All it does it make him look more credible. Its actually a good strategy.
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              • Profile picture of the author nobodyspecial
                Originally Posted by SimonHarrison View Post

                I don't link to somebody's private affiliate site & details on a public forum, it's neither professional or fair.
                LOL, what private site? Dude, if it's accessible from the internet w/no password, etc, it's not private:

                Here's the link:

                http://www.arbitrageconspiracy.com/jv-blog/

                If it's not fair or professional, fine, guilty as charged.

                BTW, I wouldn't be surprised if Aymen and his gang of arbitragers didn't make much to nothing for the launch in the hopes to get signups for their CPA network. Speculation on my part, but since I didn't get a dime from the AC launch, who cares, right?
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                • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
                  Originally Posted by nobodyspecial View Post

                  LOL, what private site? Dude, if it's accessible from the internet w/no password, etc, it's not private:

                  Here's the link:

                  http://www.arbitrageconspiracy.com/jv-blog/

                  If it's not fair or professional, fine, guilty as charged.

                  BTW, I wouldn't be surprised if Aymen and his gang of arbitragers didn't make much to nothing for the launch in the hopes to get signups for their CPA network. Speculation on my part, but since I didn't get a dime from the AC launch, who cares, right?
                  I realise it's not passworded, I just didn't feel it was right to post their private JV details to non affiliates but I don't care that you did and I guess they should have pw protected it :-)

                  Aymen musta made a ton of cash at least 50% of 1750x$2k less costs.
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                • Profile picture of the author psresearch
                  Originally Posted by nobodyspecial View Post

                  LOL, what private site? Dude, if it's accessible from the internet w/no password, etc, it's not private:

                  Here's the link:

                  http://www.arbitrageconspiracy.com/jv-blog/

                  If it's not fair or professional, fine, guilty as charged.

                  BTW, I wouldn't be surprised if Aymen and his gang of arbitragers didn't make much to nothing for the launch in the hopes to get signups for their CPA network. Speculation on my part, but since I didn't get a dime from the AC launch, who cares, right?
                  I guess that confirms the incentivized testimonials. I guess I'm paranoid because I've been seeing the FTC coming down hard recently on companies breaking their conspicous disclosure regs and as GarrieWilson mentioned in this thread part of the FTC notices on advertising and endorsements state:

                  "On the issue of consumer endorsements, the proposed revisions state that testimonials that do not describe typical consumer experiences should be accompanied by clear and conspicuous disclosure of the results consumers can generally expect to achieve from the advertised product or program."

                  And then GarrieWilson goes on to say about this:

                  "Thats gonna hurt a lot of big marketers. You know, the ones that get friends and above average people o test and provide testimonials.

                  I wonder if "clear and conspicuous" means in the testimonial box. If it's in the footer, it wouldnt be conspicuous.

                  Might start seeing less testimonials. "

                  I know it's something I'm going to be thinking about more now.
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    • Profile picture of the author MaskedMarketer
      Originally Posted by Ebbi View Post

      DEAL WITH IT!!
      Maybe you should take your own advice

      Originally Posted by Ebbi View Post

      Move on people!!
      See above.

      I'm actually looking forward to the success stories.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ebbi
    You're a two faced man Simon.. that's all I can say!
    Don't even try to talk back because deep inside you
    know exactly what I'm talking about..
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    • Profile picture of the author MaskedMarketer
      Originally Posted by Ebbi View Post

      You're a two faced man Simon.. that's all I can say!
      Don't even try to talk back because deep inside you
      know exactly what I'm talking about..
      cant we all just get along!
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    • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
      Originally Posted by Ebbi View Post

      You're a two faced man Simon.. that's all I can say!
      Don't even try to talk back because deep inside you
      know exactly what I'm talking about.. hehe
      Did they offer additional revenue for testiminonals , yes they did, case closed, it's unarguable and proven without a shadow of doubt. No apology I notice for the suggestion I was crazy suggesting they did.

      Two faced, interesting. I have twigged what your now talking about however and I guess I made a mistake trying to help you answering your PM on a 100% competely unrelated matter, that apparently warrants personal attacks. I'll ensure I help out less in future.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ebbi
    I might have came a bit strong against you Simon
    and in a more of a personal way and I will apology
    for that... It was uncalled for... But.

    Stating that the top affiliates had to give their video
    testimonial to get higher commission is something I
    have a really hard time believing and will never buy.
    Sure I agree that affiliates that aren't what we would
    call "guru's" or "big guns" got higher commission to
    make a video testimonial, like you said, it's stated on
    the website but what I have been trying to get a
    across here is if people really believe that the "guru's"
    had to do something special to get higher commission!

    These are people, every product owner would do almost
    anything to JV with and I'm pretty sure when they promote
    something they make their own terms... at least I would!

    Maybe we didn't understand each other and warn't talking
    about the same thing... that's probably why things turned
    out like they have.

    I asked you few questions and you where kind enough to
    answer them and for that I'm grateful... This "argument"
    has nothing to do with that, I'm not that cross minded
    I just believe we shared equally interesting stuff and that's
    why I didn't understand your point of view.

    Maybe you still believe the "big gun's" got higher commission
    for their testimonial and if you do then I believe our opinions
    just don't match. If you don't believe it this has been one
    heck of a misunderstanding.. hehe

    Ebbi
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    • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
      Stating that the top affiliates had to give their video
      testimonial to get higher commission is something I
      have a really hard time believing and will never buy.
      Apology accepted, and thx. On this testimonial issue, nor would I buy it, but that's not what I'm saying, we are talking at cross purposes.

      I don't for a second think Brad Fallon / MIke F or anybody else of his ilk, had to do a testimonial to get a higher commision %. I would be amazed if on a virtual product they were not getting more like 75% commision. That's kinda moot.

      Maybe we didn't understand each other and warn't talking
      about the same thing... that's probably why things turned
      out like they have.
      We are talking about different things yes. I just made the point that affiliates were paid more if they did a testimonial, somebody posted that they didn't believe they were getting 5% extra, I knew I had seen somewhere they were and posted accordingly, thats it, but it sure as hell doesn't mean I think Mike F and other big players had to go scrabbling for a camcorder to get their commisions upped. Or infact that the testimonials were even particularly relevent to the big guys.

      If you don't believe it this has been one
      heck of a misunderstanding.. hehe
      Ebbi
      Yep it has, but as life's short and we both have $$$ to make, it's time to move on :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author Ebbi
    hehe... Yeah I thought we warn't on the same page
    there because this was starting to sound ridiculous.

    Both you and me didn't read each other posts with the
    attention needed because now I see you warn't maybe
    talking about he "guru's" but more the programs affiliate
    program. Then on the other hand I ask you the question
    if you believed the "guru's" were paid extra commission
    for their video testimonial and you answered Yes.. without
    understanding the questions I believe! hehehe

    Anyways you're totally right... short life,make $$$, now!

    I'm glad we worked this misunderstanding out!

    Ebbi
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Buckley
      I've been following this thread from the beginning, usually when I'm having my first cup of coffee and trying to pry my eyes open first thing in the morning. I read it in order to avoid trying to do something more valuable with my time and screwing it up before I'm fully alert.

      If you'll glance over to the left, you'll see that I've been a member of this forum longer than nearly everyone else in this thread. You'll also see that I have a lower post count than many who've yet to celebrate their first anniversary here. That's because I post only when I think I have something of value to say. So pay attention

      "Gurus"

      A "guru", by definition, is a teacher or mentor. Few of the people in IM and hardly any of the people on the top twenty affiliate list for this program qualify. I was recently invited to be interviewed for a project as one of 100 IM gurus. Though I respect many of those who have agreed to participate and consider some to be "gurus", I declined. I don't want to be known as a guru and, insofar as IM is concerned, consider the term to be a pejorative.

      When I was a "newbie" I was on dozens of lists, including those of many of the "gurus" touting this program. I'm not on any of their lists anymore and, in most cases, wouldn't approach a product they were offering with a ten foot pole and a gas mask.

      (There is one exception. I'm still on the list of one of the top twenty affiliates for this program and own three of his expensive products which I consider to be essential tools. I was saddened to discover that he was associated with this clusterfark.)

      Has no one else noticed that NONE of the so-called "gurus" pimping this product have posted here, though all are members of this forum and are surely aware of this thread, or that NONE of the real "gurus" in this forum are involved in this project?

      "Guru 'Secrets'"

      Forgive my redundancy: There are no "secrets". Spend an hour a day just reading the posts in this forum for a year and you will learn all you need to know about IM...FREE. If you don't want to spend a year in study or have more money than time, others have done the work for you and compiled the information in ebooks and courses you may buy, inexpensively, in the WSO forum or from their sig links. They are not selling "secrets" they're just charging you for having done your homework for you.

      "CPA Coaching"

      There are at least three frequent contributors to this sub-forum who offer one-on-one coaching in CPA and who have their own networks. Their courses are roughly the same price as Aymen's and they offer better payment plans, guarantees and refund policies. I happen to know that one of them is earning mid-five figures daily from CPA. The others may be also but I haven't investigated them. CPA coaching is a side-line for them and a way of recruiting the best affiliates for their networks. Why buy the hype from people you don't know instead of buying from people you do and who are NOT hyping their coaching to fleece newbies?

      "Caveat Emptor"

      Take careful note of the people touting this program. The majority of them make their living SOLELY from selling to "newbies"; a "low-hanging fruit" niche if there ever was one. Few of them make money by implementing the systems or products they sell. Let the buyer beware.

      All education comes with a price tag. Those who have bought this program will get their money's worth in education...one way or the other.
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      • Profile picture of the author gt555
        [There are at least three frequent contributors to this sub-forum who offer one-on-one coaching in CPA and who have their own networks. Their courses are roughly the same price as Aymen's and they offer better payment plans, guarantees and refund policies. I happen to know that one of them is earning mid-five figures daily from CPA. The others may be also but I haven't investigated them. CPA coaching is a side-line for them and a way of recruiting the best affiliates for their networks. Why buy the hype from people you don't know instead of buying from people you do and who are NOT hyping their coaching to fleece newbies?]

        Please be kind enough and name the ones who do the one and one coach of the three you know. Like I have for hours been following this thread and the other thread and tried to do a little bit of due diligence before I fork my money for all this hype!
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      • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
        Banned
        I found this part from the JV blog quite....well, interesting:

        "Aymen is not one to brag.

        He does not want fame.

        He does NOT want to be a GURU.

        In fact, Yanik Silver has asked him MANY MANY

        times to speak at his UNDERGROUND event and many

        times Aymen has said "No." as he is just not

        comfortable with the lime light on him."


        Isn't Aymen scheduled to speak at Yanik's next Undergound event, lol? I guess he found a way to get comfortable with it.

        Geez, there is so much crap flying around launches these days, you have to bring a shovel with you just to read the sales letter.
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  • Profile picture of the author ThomasW
    Is Aymen's partner named Hal Allulliah?
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  • Profile picture of the author ibconsultants
    This came to my inbox before launch....not my opinion, just thought I would put it out here...



    But Charles just wrote a GREAT PIECE to a reply about
    the "NEWESET FAD" that is being fed to experienced, as well
    as inexperienced marketers TODAY, like, right now!

    I've personally received more than 10 invites from 10 different
    "biz op" promoters about this seemingly great "thing" about a
    guy who is making over $100K per day online...


    Yep... pretty compelling huh?


    Well... check out the story behind the story before you
    go prancing in to spend BIG BUCKS on more "guru" garbage...


    Here is Charle's comment:

    ----------------------------


    Hi Phil,

    Arbitrage is the process of buying traffic at one price and then selling it to companies at a higher price. It has typically been done through sending traffic through Pay-Per-Click to offers which convert good enough to cover the cost plus a tidy profit.

    Since 2006 ... When Google started tweaking quality scores based on the landing pages (where clicks are sent) ... the arbitrage game got tougher and tougher. $.10 clicks became $5 clicks and the trend remains the same today... We tested it and continue to do so. Now you have to create landing pages for untested products to keep quality scores high and you have to spend a good amount of money hunting diamonds in the rough. Once you find those diamonds then everyone else running arbitrage comes swooping in which cuts directly into your profit margin.

    Now there are only a handful of promotions that work, it is very time consuming and more often than not, you're losing money in the process.

    In any case there a bunch of well known people that jumped on the promotion bandwagon for this deal. I have lost a ton of respect for a great number of people that I used to trust and respect because they have all shown their true morals by promoting this deal... They were offered handsome commissions to promote a system that is dying.

    Why would someone supposedly making $100k (PER DAY) want to ruin their own system by selling it to people for $1600? ... Why would well known and respected people promote this?

    MONEY and ignorance... It's a cash grab of phenomenal proportions. Many of the top marketers have never run arbitrage but because other well known people are promoting it... It must be good right? ... Wrong.

    I am keeping a list of all the "gurus" that are promoting this offer so I know who to trust VS whose morals are tainted toward profit rather then the well being of their followers.

    - Charles
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    • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
      Originally Posted by ibconsultants View Post

      This came to my inbox before launch....not my opinion, just thought I would put it out here...



      But Charles just wrote a GREAT PIECE to a reply about
      the "NEWESET FAD" that is being fed to experienced, as well
      as inexperienced marketers TODAY, like, right now!

      I've personally received more than 10 invites from 10 different
      "biz op" promoters about this seemingly great "thing" about a
      guy who is making over $100K per day online...


      Yep... pretty compelling huh?


      Well... check out the story behind the story before you
      go prancing in to spend BIG BUCKS on more "guru" garbage...


      Here is Charle's comment:

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      Hi Phil,

      Arbitrage is the process of buying traffic at one price and then selling it to companies at a higher price. It has typically been done through sending traffic through Pay-Per-Click to offers which convert good enough to cover the cost plus a tidy profit.

      Since 2006 ... When Google started tweaking quality scores based on the landing pages (where clicks are sent) ... the arbitrage game got tougher and tougher. $.10 clicks became $5 clicks and the trend remains the same today... We tested it and continue to do so. Now you have to create landing pages for untested products to keep quality scores high and you have to spend a good amount of money hunting diamonds in the rough. Once you find those diamonds then everyone else running arbitrage comes swooping in which cuts directly into your profit margin.

      Now there are only a handful of promotions that work, it is very time consuming and more often than not, you're losing money in the process.

      In any case there a bunch of well known people that jumped on the promotion bandwagon for this deal. I have lost a ton of respect for a great number of people that I used to trust and respect because they have all shown their true morals by promoting this deal... They were offered handsome commissions to promote a system that is dying.

      Why would someone supposedly making $100k (PER DAY) want to ruin their own system by selling it to people for $1600? ... Why would well known and respected people promote this?

      MONEY and ignorance... It's a cash grab of phenomenal proportions. Many of the top marketers have never run arbitrage but because other well known people are promoting it... It must be good right? ... Wrong.

      I am keeping a list of all the "gurus" that are promoting this offer so I know who to trust VS whose morals are tainted toward profit rather then the well being of their followers.

      - Charles
      This is old news. I think he is talking about the launch more than the product which I understand however... he has not seen the product....

      Ignorance is a good summary of his email.....
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  • Profile picture of the author dragunov
    Banned
    nice one thanks for the heads up
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  • Profile picture of the author chatwithapro
    Claiming that CPA is a dying business and that profits are hard to come by is as ridiculous as that bozo who wanted to close the patent office in 1850 (or whatever) saying everything had been invented... (this was pre-toilet paper, mind you.)

    Do you realize how many huge businesses have never even heard of Affiliate Marketing and how many new offers are coming online everyday?

    Yes it's true that **** Berry's have run their course but to make a blanket claim that CPA's profits, as a whole, are getting squeezed, just confirms that you are resting on your laurels.

    You do have to work at it!
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex11
    Yup, I definitely agree with you on this, chatwitchapro
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  • Profile picture of the author gt555
    I am so glad I did not subscribe to this program.
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    • Profile picture of the author darryl-thomas
      Originally Posted by gt555 View Post

      I am so glad I did not subscribe to this program.
      couldn't have said it any better...
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      • Profile picture of the author filthypunk
        Has Aymen launched any other products after AC? How good were they? Is he launching any now?
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        • Profile picture of the author smartmoney
          Aymen and his Arbitrage "Conspiracy" seem to have totally disappeared off the Internet and the planet earth. The site has gone, no signs of him on Facebook, YouTube account of Wasabi8899 has NO videos.

          Does anyone know anything?

          There does not seem to have been any further launches as promised in an email.
          Just vanished !!!


          Where is the site now Aymen? I want to login. :confused:

          Anyone got any answers?
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          • Profile picture of the author filthypunk
            Originally Posted by smartmoney View Post

            Aymen and his Arbitrage "Conspiracy" seem to have totally disappeared off the Internet and the planet earth. The site has gone, no signs of him on Facebook, YouTube account of Wasabi8899 has NO videos.

            Does anyone know anything?

            There does not seem to have been any further launches as promised in an email.
            Just vanished !!!


            Where is the site now Aymen? I want to login. :confused:

            Anyone got any answers?
            Did he give you any of your money back before disappearing?
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            • Profile picture of the author filthypunk
              Got this in thread response from the user smartmoney in my email, but don't see this post here:

              When I bought the program I signed up for the three payments over three months option. Luckily/unluckily for me, he only ever took the first payment.
              Shows how good his system was !!!
              Makes me wonder who is removing posts in this thread and why.
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              • Profile picture of the author MicSliv
                Can anyone tell me if this information is still available? I purchased the program and was able to login at one point in time. After not having time to complete the training, The website no longer exists to review the course. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance!
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  • Profile picture of the author win292
    I like to, but I dont have enough money. I just wondering where are those guys who defending this product.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jays80
      Originally Posted by win292 View Post

      I like to, but I dont have enough money. I just wondering where are those guys who defending this product.
      Well they are busy for new big launch!!!
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      • Profile picture of the author win292
        Originally Posted by Amfire View Post

        Well they are busy for new big launch!!!
        new big one?? well, i see.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kenster
    Not sure how much truth is behind the previous post considering that was his/her first post, but I do agree that AC was great.

    Ive heard many people who were not pleased with the course, but it was everything I was hoping for. I was also a bit more grounded in realizing the hype and claims are probably close to impossible to achieve. I wasnt aiming for 10,000 a day like most people who took the course, I was aiming for $400 a day.

    I wouldnt quit until I earned $400 and thats why I was able to achieve that goal. I will even post my original goals, which are still posted in 3 spots in my home office...

    First Month Goal $0 - break even
    Second Month Goal $50 per day
    Fourth Month Goal $100 per day
    Sixth Month Goal $200 per day
    1 Year Goal $400 per day


    I set these goals modest so I wouldnt give up. Anywho, I hope this at least inspires a few people or at least keeps people grounded when they take this or any other course. Sift through the bs sales hype and be realistic

    As for AC, I thought the original launch was disaster, but the course itself was solid
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    • Profile picture of the author Kenster
      Originally Posted by honestbizpro View Post

      Thanks for the post my friend. Too bad you are the exception.

      They should fly you in by Private Jet (with some of that $100,000 per day income they make) and make a video with you!



      I'm always down for a free flight and wine and dining

      Honestbiz, you dont think the course was solid and gave a pretty well rounded teaching of internet marketing and ppc? ...not talking about the launch hype and salesletter hype just in terms of content?


      I wasn't naive enough to go into the course with unrealistic goals and falling for the 50k a day hype, but I think the course in general had very solid content and I would recommend it. It helped me navigate through the internet marketing jungle pretty well.


      In my opinion cpa is not hard, but you have to approach it in the right way. Think about any career in life, can you be good at it in 2 weeks...NO So dont go into internet marketing if you arent willing to put in the training.

      THink about taking one course in college. It lasts about 4 months long and between classes and studying it takes up a lot of time to get an A. Whether youre taking a course or nto, I find it hard to believe if you put in 4 months of training, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO MAKE MONEY.


      I think many people who go into IM through a course like AC or not, arent willing to work enough to get over even the first hurdle, they just want the fast cash as all the salesletters out there promise.


      For those newbies who are doing work and putting in their all, you WILL succeed. Your first of many profitable days are right around the corner.

      Good luck all
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  • Profile picture of the author online12793
    Is there anyone who know Aymen's arbitrage conspiracy,
    can you guys tell me did Aymen update the site
    cos i can't gain access to the members login page!!!
    It just keep saying website not found.

    Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author swayman
      Originally Posted by online12793 View Post

      Is there anyone who know Aymen's arbitrage conspiracy,
      can you guys tell me did Aymen update the site
      cos i can't gain access to the members login page!!!
      It just keep saying website not found.

      Thanks

      I don't know that people like to make a big deal out of nothing, AC is such as simple technique using PPC to promote CPA right? so..what? is it worth thousands of Dollars in course? NO.
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    • Profile picture of the author Hilal
      Hi Guys

      After couple of years from launching Aymen's arbitrage conspiracy,
      it is the good time to ask:

      1- Are there any real people who could generate $2000+ per day OR $100,000 per month, using ONLY Aymen's AC ?

      2- If yes, how many?

      3- Did they use only PPC, or something else?

      We need REAL people REALLY used Aymen's arbitrage conspiracy, not just anyone, to reply!

      Thank you.

      Hilal
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      • Profile picture of the author Kenster
        Originally Posted by Hilal View Post

        Hi Guys

        After couple of years from launching Aymen's arbitrage conspiracy,
        it is the good time to ask:

        1- Are there any real people who could generate $2000+ per day OR $100,000 per month, using ONLY Aymen's AC ?

        2- If yes, how many?

        3- Did they use only PPC, or something else?

        We need REAL people REALLY used Aymen's arbitrage conspiracy, not just anyone, to reply!

        Thank you.

        Hilal


        I don't think there is any way to know the answer to the questions, but here are my thoughts.

        Is it possible to make four or five figure days using the course, absolutely, I've done it. Is it possible to do with the AC course ALONE...absolutely not. The people making money from AC and any other course out there put in a lot of work outside the course. There has never been and I don't think will ever be any course that doesn't call for additional work, additional problem solving, etc.

        Even if you paid the top CPA guy on the planet $10,000 an hour for 1000 hours of coaching, you still wouldn't have learned EVERYTHING you need to know.

        The truth is that you will always need to do work on your own. You will always need to solve problems and get over obstacles on your own. Even the top CPA guys and guys in any internet industry reach hurdles and obstacles on a DAILY basis...so of course they can't make a course that encapsulates everything that is needed.

        At the end of the day, this is business, this requires work, and hard work! In my opinion, its far easier than any other way to make a substantial income, but it still doesn't happen on its own. It requires a lot of hard work and sacrifice!

        It's the nature of the beast - but its a beast that reaps great rewards once conquered!
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        • Profile picture of the author Hilal
          Hi Kenster

          Thank you for your comment.

          This is exactly my opinion.

          I agree with yours 100%.

          You'll NEVER find a complete course.

          User Must use his/her own effort to solve many problems.

          Once again, thank you Kenster.

          Hilal

          Originally Posted by Kenster View Post

          I don't think there is any way to know the answer to the questions, but here are my thoughts.

          Is it possible to make four or five figure days using the course, absolutely, I've done it. Is it possible to do with the AC course ALONE...absolutely not. The people making money from AC and any other course out there put in a lot of work outside the course. There has never been and I don't think will ever be any course that doesn't call for additional work, additional problem solving, etc.

          Even if you paid the top CPA guy on the planet $10,000 an hour for 1000 hours of coaching, you still wouldn't have learned EVERYTHING you need to know.

          The truth is that you will always need to do work on your own. You will always need to solve problems and get over obstacles on your own. Even the top CPA guys and guys in any internet industry reach hurdles and obstacles on a DAILY basis...so of course they can't make a course that encapsulates everything that is needed.

          At the end of the day, this is business, this requires work, and hard work! In my opinion, its far easier than any other way to make a substantial income, but it still doesn't happen on its own. It requires a lot of hard work and sacrifice!

          It's the nature of the beast - but its a beast that reaps great rewards once conquered!
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