CPA doesn't work - the bubble has burst

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From the very first days CPA came on the scene I have been a fan and it worked great.
It was a licence to print money. Far better than Adwords in so many ways, HOWEVER, that has all changed. There are fewer and fewer products being marketed using the CPA method and those that do are products like Green Tea, Health, Whitening Toothpaste etc.

There is still a ready market of punters still queuing up for the CPA magic bullet, they just don't know they are being taken for a ride - or are they?

I think the CPA method has had it's day and has been a short blip on the marketing wall of Internet success....

Anyone agree the CPA bubble has burst?
#adwords #affiliate #bubble #burst #cpa #cpl #work
  • Profile picture of the author seregap
    great sig plug well done
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    • Profile picture of the author davidtye
      Originally Posted by seregap View Post

      great sig plug well done
      What are your thoughts and experience of CPA?
      Adbrite is closing - it's the start of many I think...
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      What do you mean by that? ( Great Sig Plug......) What do you mean by that statement?
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    • Profile picture of the author clockingdollars
      Originally Posted by seregap View Post

      great sig plug well done
      What do you mean by that? ( Great Sig Plug.....) What do you mean?
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  • Profile picture of the author Greedy
    Are you serious?

    Insurance isn't going anywhere.
    Online Dating isn't going anywhere.
    Weight Loss isn't going anywhere.
    Gaming isn't going anywhere.

    Adwords changed it's policies years ago, the CPA industry is LONG pass that.

    Adbrite sucked. What makes you think it is the first of many? The majority of online ad agencies are growing. More and more people are advertising online. CPA marketers aren't the only advertisers in the world.

    Sure there was a little boom for a bit, but acting like CPA is falling apart is just non-sense.
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    • Profile picture of the author davidtye
      Originally Posted by Greedy View Post

      Are you serious?

      Insurance isn't going anywhere.
      Online Dating isn't going anywhere.
      Weight Loss isn't going anywhere.
      Gaming isn't going anywhere.

      Adwords changed it's policies years ago, the CPA industry is LONG pass that.

      Adbrite sucked. What makes you think it is the first of many? The majority of online ad agencies are growing. More and more people are advertising online. CPA marketers aren't the only advertisers in the world.

      Sure there was a little boom for a bit, but acting like CPA is falling apart is just non-sense.
      Greedy - like I said, CPA is working for a very small section of the business world and it seems to be getting smaller. You have mentioned the 4 main area's CPA works. I pity the poor devils with the other many businesses that try it and haven't got a hope in hell to make any money form it.

      Falling apart? I am sure it will continue and evolve but yes many more networks will go up the wall for sure as so many banks are not supporting them.

      Great posts guys and very interesting reading and debate - It's great to hear so many positives about CPA too.
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      • Profile picture of the author J50
        Originally Posted by davidtye View Post

        Greedy - like I said, CPA is working for a very small section of the business world and it seems to be getting smaller. You have mentioned the 4 main area's CPA works. I pity the poor devils with the other many businesses that try it and haven't got a hope in hell to make any money form it.

        Falling apart? I am sure it will continue and evolve but yes many more networks will go up the wall for sure as so many banks are not supporting them.

        Great posts guys and very interesting reading and debate - It's great to hear so many positives about CPA too.
        You either have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Have very limited and narrow knowledge and experience of this industry - or are just trying to promote your signature with nonsense (I don't get it).

        So which one is it?
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        • Profile picture of the author seregap
          Originally Posted by Vokco View Post

          You either have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Have very limited and narrow knowledge and experience of this industry - or are just trying to promote your signature with nonsense (I don't get it).

          So which one is it?
          i vote for #1 and #3 together
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        • Profile picture of the author AZMD
          Originally Posted by Vokco View Post

          You either have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Have very limited and narrow knowledge and experience of this industry - or are just trying to promote your signature with nonsense (I don't get it).

          So which one is it?
          It looks to me like "just trying to promote your signature with nonsense" would be it but who knows what a person might be really thinking.
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        • Profile picture of the author davidtye
          Originally Posted by Vokco View Post

          You either have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Have very limited and narrow knowledge and experience of this industry - or are just trying to promote your signature with nonsense (I don't get it).

          So which one is it?
          Let's not get into Warrior bashing but I have many years experience of CPA I have run workshops on CPA, talked on CPA at seminars and I have used CPA for many years. I am looking for serious posts so maybe you can enlighten us with your own views and experiences of CPA?
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          • Profile picture of the author seregap
            Originally Posted by davidtye View Post

            Let's not get into Warrior bashing but I have many years experience of CPA I have run workshops on CPA, talked on CPA at seminars and I have used CPA for many years. I am looking for serious posts so maybe you can enlighten us with your own views and experiences of CPA?
            im really sorry for your students then

            man, just give up. you are "warrior bashing" yourself in here lol
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    • Originally Posted by Greedy View Post

      Are you serious?

      Insurance isn't going anywhere.
      Online Dating isn't going anywhere.
      Weight Loss isn't going anywhere.
      Gaming isn't going anywhere.

      Adwords changed it's policies years ago, the CPA industry is LONG pass that.

      Adbrite sucked. What makes you think it is the first of many? The majority of online ad agencies are growing. More and more people are advertising online. CPA marketers aren't the only advertisers in the world.

      Sure there was a little boom for a bit, but acting like CPA is falling apart is just non-sense.

      Great response and love your blog!

      Great posts everyone. It's been awhile since I have been on WF, but I must say this thread is very refreshing! I personally will say it has become more about what you promote and how you do it these days that makes the difference.

      Have a profitable weekend fellow marketers!
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Sauve
    CPA is Dead!!!!

    Long live CPA!!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author J Bold
    CPA is not a method. It's just a monetization method for affiliates.

    It's just lead generation. Generating leads on the internet will never go away whether you want to do it for yourself and your own products or do it for others and get paid in some way for doing it.

    There are many ways to generate leads, such as Adwords. Comparing CPA to Adwords is like comparing apples and oranges. You are comparing different steps of the equation together which simply doesn't make sense.

    So yeah...
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisBa
    Originally Posted by davidtye View Post

    From the very first days CPA came on the scene I have been a fan and it worked great.
    It was a licence to print money. Far better than Adwords in so many ways, HOWEVER, that has all changed. There are fewer and fewer products being marketed using the CPA method and those that do are products like Green Tea, Health, Whitening Toothpaste etc.

    There is still a ready market of punters still queuing up for the CPA magic bullet, they just don't know they are being taken for a ride - or are they?

    I think the CPA method has had it's day and has been a short blip on the marketing wall of Internet success....

    Anyone agree the CPA bubble has burst?
    I respectfully disagree
    The affiliate marketing world has changed, but is very much still alive. With that being said there are tons of other ways to make money online as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author AustinDigital
    CPA is nothing other than a payment form lol... getting paid per action will always be around. Traffic is still easy to get as well, just gotta adapt
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  • Profile picture of the author AdamFinan
    CPA is not dead, so long as Facebook Ads are raking in the cash, so will CPA advertisers. Mobile CPA is getting bigger every year.
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    • Profile picture of the author davidyair
      adbrights model is what failed. cpa is here to stay...
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    • Profile picture of the author davidtye
      Originally Posted by silverace View Post

      CPA isn't dead, CPA is evolving!
      Good post - how is it evolving? - let me know your thoughts on this....
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      • Profile picture of the author mcmcmcmc5
        With all due respect, you have made an absolutely ridiculous statement.

        You have in your tagline:

        "Easily earn $12k / month"

        In the scope of our world, this is a very small amount of revenue.


        "There are fewer and fewer products being marketed using the CPA method and those that do are products like Green Tea, Health, Whitening Toothpaste etc. "

        This demonstrates a very limited understanding of the landscape.

        What about the Dutch mobile content boys doing $50mill + / year?

        What about the INTL Co-Registration companies monetizing HUGE volumes of remnant traffic?

        What about the Ukrainian dating companies floated on international stock exchanges?


        "queuing up for the CPA magic bullet".

        Unfortunately, there is no such thing as a magic bullet in this, or any business. Anyone who claims that there is, or that anyone can "Easily earn" XYZ / month, is nothing more than a liar.

        This is an industry, an industry like any other. In order to succeed in this, it takes the same as in any other.

        Hard work
        Mentoring / Internship
        Good Character
        Education
        Hunger
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  • Profile picture of the author digitalsensus
    how about CPC and CPM
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  • Profile picture of the author ibartley
    I am glad I saw this post because I am just getting into CPA marketing. I like AustinTPL's comment... "CPA is nothing other than a payment form". Will put my efforts in and see how it turns out.
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  • Profile picture of the author revolution109
    It has evolved and become difficult which is actually a good thing. It's just going down the SEO route. A couple of years back, you could spam links and expect a site to rank. Now, that it has become more technique sensitive and difficult, only the SEO'ers who adapted to the change and are good enough are doing well.

    This is whats happening to CPA. It's not easy to do anymore which is a good thing because it reduces competition and only the good ones who adapt are successful.
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  • Profile picture of the author PPC-Coach
    Link bait?

    LOL

    The sky is falling! Preppers unite!

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  • Profile picture of the author Vikram73
    CPA is dead, PPV is junk traffic, can't make money on Adwords, Bing is crap traffic, SEO is dead, Google sucks, ClickBank stuffed cookies and stole my commissions!

    I think this thread is proof that Stupidty is Dead and you better learn to think for yourself if you want to make any money online.
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    • Profile picture of the author seregap
      Originally Posted by Vikram73 View Post

      ...I think this thread is proof that Stupidty is Alive...
      fixed that for you
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  • Profile picture of the author Greedy
    I am sure it will continue and evolve but yes many more networks will go up the wall for sure as so many banks are not supporting them.
    Tell me which CPA Network went up the wall since a bank stop supporting them?
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    • Profile picture of the author davidtye
      Originally Posted by Greedy View Post

      Tell me which CPA Network went up the wall since a bank stop supporting them?
      Just Google it!
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    • Profile picture of the author davidtye
      Originally Posted by Greedy View Post

      Tell me which CPA Network went up the wall since a bank stop supporting them?
      COPEAC is one (more than a handful last year) and there are others like them who have not only given CPA a bad reputation which is a shame but caused the banks to tighten up on businesses like them.
      There are CPA guys that are now wearing orange suits!
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      • Profile picture of the author Greedy
        Originally Posted by davidtye View Post

        COPEAC is one (more than a handful last year) and there are others like them who have not only given CPA a bad reputation which is a shame but caused the banks to tighten up on businesses like them.
        There are CPA guys that are now wearing orange suits!
        The reason they went down was because of the FTC.

        When you are getting sued by the FTC no bank is going to support you.

        The FTC crackdown did have a minor effect on the industry, but things are past it.

        Most networks don't get loans from banks to get started.
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        • Profile picture of the author davidtye
          Originally Posted by Greedy View Post

          The reason they went down was because of the FTC.

          When you are getting sued by the FTC no bank is going to support you.

          The FTC crackdown did have a minor effect on the industry, but things are past it.

          Most networks don't get loans from banks to get started.
          The FTC had a rather big impact on the industry, fact.
          CPA networks do need the support of the banks and they do need large overdrafts, fact.
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  • Profile picture of the author Clickthroo
    CPA marketing is alive and well, it just has to be done in the right way!
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  • Profile picture of the author TheSalesBooster
    Are you getting CPA mixed up with incentive offers?

    Some people seem to think that CPA only means offers that are incentivized. Sounds like that's what your referring to?
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  • Profile picture of the author J50
    I can already see where this thread is going to end up. If you're trying to build rep on this forum I'd seriously quit while you're ahead. While there's lots of noobs here these's lots of industry experts here too, any lapses in knowledge and understanding when trying to come across like an expert lights up like a Christmas tree.
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    • Profile picture of the author davidtye
      Originally Posted by Vokco View Post

      I can already see where this thread is going to end up. If you're trying to build rep on this forum I'd seriously quit while you're ahead. While there's lots of noobs here these's lots of industry experts here too, any lapses in knowledge and understanding when trying to come across like an expert lights up like a Christmas tree.
      No lapse of knowledge at this end and I am one of those industry experts so if it is possible I'd prefer to stick to the question which is a valid one and not designed to create arsy responses!
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  • Profile picture of the author seregap
    it wouldnt surprize me at all if the op was following some funny wso instructing him to start threads in niche forums to appear as an expert in each niche, for better sig ctr. it's been all over wf recently. must be some secret guru blueprint changing hands lol
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    • Profile picture of the author davidtye
      Originally Posted by seregap View Post

      it wouldnt surprize me at all if the op was following some funny wso instructing him to start threads in niche forums to appear as an expert in each niche, for better sig ctr. it's been all over wf recently. must be some secret guru blueprint changing hands lol
      This is a post about CPA not Warrior knocking - have your used CPA? what are your thoughts about CPA???
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  • Profile picture of the author AJ Warrior
    You smoke something today dude? If CPA is dead then what did I just withdraw from my bank today Monopoly money lol "DO not Pass go Do not collect 200 dollars" -Jim Carrey voice ace ventura
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    • Profile picture of the author davidtye
      Originally Posted by corseo View Post

      You smoke something today dude? If CPA is dead then what did I just withdraw from my bank today Monopoly money lol "DO not Pass go Do not collect 200 dollars" -Jim Carrey voice ace ventura
      No smoke just debating - why not post your valued insider comments rather than 'What did I just withdraw...' that doesn't mean anything and doesn't bring anything to the discussion.
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  • Profile picture of the author CPA Monster
    Nice way to get attention of others :p Actually failure creates this types of threads
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  • Profile picture of the author talfighel
    CPA offers in the work at home niche still are very active today. You just have to find the ones that still allow new members to join.

    Here are 2 that I used and have had great results with:

    https://www.partnerwithpaul.com/affiliates.cgi

    https://www.workathomecoach.com/affiliates.cgi
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  • Profile picture of the author Fox30
    What is dead or not is what's working for you or not. Maybe CPA stopped working for you already.

    As an industry, it is simply a way to generate leads for businesses, businesses will always need new clients and different lead sources.

    I agree that CPA is evolving, not dead. my $0.02.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dayne Dylan
    Originally Posted by davidtye View Post

    From the very first days CPA came on the scene I have been a fan and it worked great.
    It was a licence to print money. Far better than Adwords in so many ways, HOWEVER, that has all changed. There are fewer and fewer products being marketed using the CPA method and those that do are products like Green Tea, Health, Whitening Toothpaste etc.

    There is still a ready market of punters still queuing up for the CPA magic bullet, they just don't know they are being taken for a ride - or are they?

    I think the CPA method has had it's day and has been a short blip on the marketing wall of Internet success....

    Anyone agree the CPA bubble has burst?
    It will only grow as the Internet grows. Period. The more traffic, the more sites, the more opportunity.

    I like how you are trying to ruffle feathers to get attention to the sites in your sig (which look extremely outdated and visually lacking btw. Just my two cents.)
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    • Profile picture of the author davidtye
      Originally Posted by Dayne Dylan View Post

      It will only grow as the Internet grows. Period. The more traffic, the more sites, the more opportunity.

      I like how you are trying to ruffle feathers to get attention to the sites in your sig (which look extremely outdated and visually lacking btw. Just my two cents.)
      The post is to see what others think about CPA either way - if it has 'ruffled feathers' that's too bad. I prefer to remain unbiased and listen to views and opinions rather than biased posts that haven't offered any real content and actual real information to the discussion - Just my two cents worth.
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  • Profile picture of the author stewartscoles
    I am brand new to WF and came in here looking to learn bit about CPA. Looks like I might have hit a bad thread as it flows with lots of negative comments. Reason for looking is a clever little product from WSO. Needs a CPA content locker and mentions CPAleads and adscendmedia but googled the last and it talks rip off and similar. Any positives would be welcome before I bin it
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    • Profile picture of the author davidtye
      Originally Posted by stewartscoles View Post

      I am brand new to WF and came in here looking to learn bit about CPA. Looks like I might have hit a bad thread as it flows with lots of negative comments. Reason for looking is a clever little product from WSO. Needs a CPA content locker and mentions CPAleads and adscendmedia but googled the last and it talks rip off and similar. Any positives would be welcome before I bin it
      Give 'Content Lock Pro' a go - I know the guys behind it a little and although I haven't used it in earnest yet, from what I can tell it looks good if it is what you are looking for!

      PM me if you like.
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      • Profile picture of the author mcmcmcmc5
        "I am one of those industry experts"

        No you're not.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Sauve
    Originally Posted by davidtye View Post

    I prefer to remain unbiased and listen to views and opinions rather than biased posts that haven't offered any real content and actual real information to the discussion.
    Originally Posted by davidtye View Post

    I think the CPA method has had it's day and has been a short blip on the marketing wall of Internet success
    troll post is troll
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  • Profile picture of the author J50
    Originally Posted by davidtye View Post

    Far better than Adwords in so many ways, HOWEVER, that has all changed. There are fewer and fewer products being marketed using the CPA method
    Just to prove how little you actually know - Google Adwords offers a "CPA" customer/lead acquisition pricing tool within their platform of which you can control your "CPA".



    Most agencies like price comparison sites work on a "CPA" model with all their clients - most of which are experiencing exponential growth. Not to mention the countless direct affiliate agreements between companies all over the world.

    Most of what you say is nonsense. The majority (reputable people) do not agree with what you say, I'd take that as a sign.
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  • Profile picture of the author chrisuchi
    wow, the best putting up their experiences
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  • Profile picture of the author Batags
    CPA has worked for me in the past, and is still working toward the future! Just Sayin...
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    • Profile picture of the author Zayne Kendrick
      David, saying that lead generation doesn't work is like saying selling food and water to people doesn't work anymore.

      Leads are the LIFEBLOOD of a business.

      Businesses, whether online or offline, will always need new customers until the end of time.

      Did it ever cross your mind that it's probably the marketing that you use to generate those leads that sucks?
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  • Profile picture of the author Dean Henry
    Cant be dead,...Im still making money.
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  • Profile picture of the author bloggerd
    Not sure how you have come to think CPA is dead your methods used to promote the offers obviously need some serious changing. I would also stop teaching cpa if you can't even get it to work..
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  • Profile picture of the author Martyfl
    This reminds me of real estate. There was a point in time when literally any idiot could buy and sell real estate and make money. Then the bust came and people were killed in the real estate market.

    When that happened you saw all the investors and Realtors who just jumped in to make a fast buck, disappear. But the pros, the people who really understood how the market works, stayed in and continued to make money.

    As someone mentioned CPA is nothing more than a transactional model. The "lead" is still king. If you think otherwise, then you are either a loser or someone who is bored and just wants to screw around here.

    More and more people are online than every before. More people with smart phones and tablets. The market to sell product or services has never been better.

    The overwhelming majority of people who attempt to make money online will fail. They will not learn, test and stay in long enough to see the fruit of their labor.

    Has the market changed? Of course it has and it will change some more. But, the opportunity to make money online is only limited by your imagination. Is CPA dead? Do you mean is the bidding model on its way out? No, not yet. If leave the theatre now you will miss the best part of the show.
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  • Profile picture of the author beastmode80
    I make more with cpa a month then i ever made a year before i got into IM. I can't remember the last time i had a day that didn't bring in at least $800 with cpa. Some aspects of marketing cpa has become come harder for half ass marketers, But that's a great thing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Clay
    I don't think that it is reasonable to flat out say "CPA is dead." CPA is extremely profitable for me and many others. There are some major issues I find with CPA though. Some CPA networks that I would have never expected to go bankrupt have done so causing final payments to be missed. Also, a lot of the time you get inexperienced affiliate managers.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kenster
    CPA is dead. Lead generation is dead.

    Been around for a thousand years and was a great ride.

    Sad to see such a legacy die like that.

    No more leads everybody

    Actually, I just set up a CPL offer so it's not quite dead...still one offer out there
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  • Profile picture of the author Cash37
    Bear market in CPA right now, diversify your affiliate programs...
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  • Profile picture of the author Martyfl
    David, you do realize that a number of people here think you were dead serious and completely literal? I do not think they were aware that you were trying to elicit opinions. It is just that you made such a provocative statement, you stirred up a lot of people.

    I have to assume that well know that CPA as a lead generation model still works quite well for those who know what they are doing. Furthermore, you probably realize that the market is still expanding.

    While the game changes from time to time, we all adapt pretty quickly. Even the pros who did SEO managed to figure out new ways to drive traffic, while the rest just cried and decided that SEO is dead.

    That is all this is about, traffic generation and conversion. Fortunately, there are numerous ways to accomplish this. CPA is not dead. It just had some work done and you don't recognize it any more.
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  • Profile picture of the author dannygnenerate
    The beauty of any method or business model is of course subjective to rather it's still a great source of income or not... But how about this, how about you not think of cpa marketing in it's normal form of generating leads for a commission. Let's think of it in a more broad manner.

    1. People can teach people how to make money with cpa. Therefore it's still a good source of income.

    2. You can arbitrage the cpa methods in many, many ways like I do. I don't ever expect to generate a lead online by traditional fashion.

    Listen closely because I've made thousands and thousands of dollars by being creative.

    I had a room of 300 people in Chicago, IL. I charged them $5 dollars each to get in the door. So there I made some chump change $1,500. I then got them in and taught them how to do the basics of internet marketing (as usual they loved it). I had already made my money spent for the little gathering but I went further.

    I then sold 187 affiliate marketing products @ $50 per kickback and I did this by having many computers set up and rotating people out and they bought mainly because during that meeting they believed in ME.

    See, people are trying to get people to click on a link but remember people are flooded with links on pages which are usually basically advertisements not realizing people usually have a mindset when they come to any page and don't want to be sold ANYTHING sometimes they don't even want to be presented with anything!

    So here's the cpa part of it. My friend created a digital product that I really liked, so I told him that I'll make sure it sold some copies; so what I did was explain to them how amazing this product will be in addition to the one they already have and anyone with a credit score of at least a 400 (which most of the population does have) they would get this awesome course absolutely free. All they had to do was go home and go to this link to check their credit and if their credit was at least 400 then I'd give them the course absolutely for free.

    Out of 300 attendees only 160 of them actually went home and did what I asked them. I made 36 dollars per sign up with this cpa offer. I calculate it to be 160 because of how much I made. I made $5,760.00 for some reason it took about 4 days to fully get all the people to show in my account. I'm sure either they didn't all do it that day or my cpa network was checking the legitimacy of my leads. I forwarded the money to my friend and well that's it.

    There are soo many creative ways to make money doing any and everything in affiliate marketing. Most people think in the terms of which they are taught which is...

    Get traffic to a page

    Prospects completes the cpa offer

    You get paid.

    This is only the structure of how affiliation marketing works from a very linear view and it's natural who looks at things with this linearity will assume that the creative walls that they built really exist.

    I hope this helps a little and good luck. Remember, nothing can or will stop you from being successful. Persistence is only one component of true success, develop a mindset of giving value and a new light will shine and you'll find success everywhere and in everything you do.

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  • Profile picture of the author mego818
    OK you got me to click on your sig link. All I realized is that your site sucks.
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    • Profile picture of the author dannygnenerate
      Originally Posted by mego818 View Post

      OK you got me to click on your sig link. All I realized is that your site sucks.
      Not sure who this comment was targeting but if it was my sig you'll notice that it only goes to my profile on the warrior forum and no website.

      Have a great day bud.
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  • Profile picture of the author hblzr1
    David,

    Since you are an industry expert and teacher, you must have industry statistics to back your statements.

    I hope you didn't teach your students to rely on anecdotal proof that so many IM teachers engage in. You or your students could not have achieved any significant amount of success without data and data analysis in CPA.

    Give us the numbers. Where are the stats and metrics by which you base your statement?

    Please spare us the social proof stuff like Copeac, Epic et al going out of business.
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  • Profile picture of the author wtc
    This thread is extremely ... bittersweet? If that's the right word.

    On one hand, reading through the opinions of the real experts is both useful and amusing.

    On the other hand, forum SOP says "not to feed the trolls"....
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  • Profile picture of the author Ruck
    We did over 1,000,000+ conversions in January alone on Revived Media. It's definitely dead, you should stay away. <sarcasm>
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  • Profile picture of the author amujtabaa
    CPA is being cleaned up and evolving as we speak. Change always is a constant. It will have a part in a well diversified income strategy.
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  • Profile picture of the author winagain
    Actually, I had moderate success with CPA in the past, and left it because I wanted to focus on my business more.
    However, I think it was a good way to win money. I think I will try it again soon.
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  • Profile picture of the author Anthony W
    Yep, CPA is dead. Everyone stop doing it #moremoneyforme
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  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan Smith
    I have affiliates in my network running the hell out of campaigns. CPA is far from dead. We have several affiliates doing huge numbers. We have smaller volume affiliates that are profiting too. CPA is far from dead it is evolving into other things as times change. Look at mobile as the next big thing for CPA.
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    • Profile picture of the author Noel2010
      Originally Posted by Jonathan Smith View Post

      I have affiliates in my network running the hell out of campaigns. CPA is far from dead. We have several affiliates doing huge numbers. We have smaller volume affiliates that are profiting too. CPA is far from dead it is evolving into other things as times change. Look at mobile as the next big thing for CPA.
      Good to see owners of CPA companies saying it's not dead. I really want to get back into CPA Marketing.
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  • Profile picture of the author todd123
    ROFL.... seems that the 'dead' sentiment is defeated by the positive flow of hopes! Let's evolve baby....lol...
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    • Profile picture of the author Cash37
      Originally Posted by todd123 View Post

      ROFL.... seems that the 'dead' sentiment is defeated by the positive flow of hopes! Let's evolve baby....lol...
      Did you notice that the most optimistic people in the thread were network owners

      Affiliates will always get reamed due to the nature of the business model. They are out there on the front lines with their credit cards taking the losses while the networks and advertisers are shielded from that initial layer of risk.... I hope newbies observe this and diversify themselves accordingly.
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      • Profile picture of the author J50
        Originally Posted by Cash37 View Post

        Did you notice that the most optimistic people in the thread were network owners

        Affiliates will always get reamed due to the nature of the business model. They are out there on the front lines with their credit cards taking the losses while the networks and advertisers are shielded from that initial layer of risk.... I hope newbies observe this and diversify themselves accordingly.
        I strongly disagree... Being a CPA advertiser has got to be one of the toughest things to do Internet marketing. The risks and start up capital needed are enormous, there's risk everywhere. When you become an advertiser, like a rebill advertiser for example - you actually leave a lot of the marketing world behind and move more into financial risk management.

        It's a tough racket, but it's where the real online millionaires are being made.
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        • Profile picture of the author Cash37
          Originally Posted by J50 View Post

          I strongly disagree... Being a CPA advertiser has got to be one of the toughest things to do Internet marketing. The risks and start up capital needed are enormous, there's risk everywhere. When you become an advertiser, like a rebill advertiser for example - you actually leave a lot of the marketing world behind and move more into financial risk management.

          It's a tough racket, but it's where the real online millionaires are being made.
          You totally missed my point.

          Hang around IM long enough, you'll get it eventually.
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          • Profile picture of the author J50
            Originally Posted by Cash37 View Post

            You totally missed my point.

            Hang around IM long enough, you'll get it eventually.
            I still disagree to an extent. I guess you've never had a merchant account, processing credit cards? Or someone trying to send you 2,000 dating leads but mixed in with those are 500 junk leads?

            However, if you're talking about them being the ones who actually generate the sales/leads then I absolutely agree. Just a shame that some networks tarnish affiliate relationships, because it has a real negative impact on other legitimate network. After all this industry is built on trust.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gordon P
    Don't even understand why this has to be discussed. The CPA model is very fundamental business. You bring leads to a company. Why shouldn't a company want the help of others. Except that you now aren't walking from door to door or calling people (the majority atleast), but rather do it online
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  • Profile picture of the author PPC-Coach
    It is sad that most of the big cpa affiliates now are doing "iffy" things. Things that take down networks.

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  • Profile picture of the author JustinDupre
    David is just a silly troll. Don't feed him.
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  • Profile picture of the author mcwalker25
    you might say CPA is dead, but with such high demand for easy money from a nearly limitless supply of newcomers discovering cpa, i think the creation of networks will never stop happening, and thus the offers will never stop existing. If we have nothing but teeth whitening and duck-tape-romance as CPA offers then best believe... we'll find a way to make money off of it.
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  • Profile picture of the author clickfund
    CPA is far from dead. It is actually more competitive now, but is still growing radidly
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  • Profile picture of the author williamrs
    CPA can't disappear unless something really huge (so huge that I can't even come up with an example) happens to the internet.

    Doing business online is more than a trend, it's just the way things will be in the future.

    CPA isn't nothing but a model that advertisers and merchants use to generate sales and leads online, so it will always be effective for them. Buying clientes will be always interesting for them.

    For the affiliates, margins, traffic sources, etc will be always changing, but the internet will always have traffic and people looking to buy stuff, so there will always be ways of sending those people to our sites and offers.

    If you say that CPA will change, I agree 100%, because it's always changing... mobile devices, new traffic sources, different types of offers, new products... new things are popping up every day. However,. saying that CPA will disappear is the same as saying that people will stop looking for customers on the internet and, honestly, I don't believe we will live to see this happening.


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  • Profile picture of the author RockNRolla
    CPA is such a huge, broad industry, that to claim it is dead is a crazy statement to make, especially from a self proclaimed industry expert!

    I see these type of posts on lots of forums about how '[insert online industry] is dead', whether it be link building, SEO, and now CPA. People need to adapt and move with the times. If you can't adapt and evolve, you will fail.
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Thomas
    You said fewer products, what products category is missing from CPA that was there before?
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  • Profile picture of the author badboy_Nick
    Originally Posted by davidtye View Post

    I think the CPA method has had it's day and has been a short blip on the marketing wall of Internet success.... Anyone agree the CPA bubble has burst?
    Haha ... oh boy, I don't know WHERE you got the idea from that lead gen and CPA has had its day or there was a bubble?

    Ah well, tell you what. The more believe it, the less competition for me to make money in exactly that market

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