Yes, CPA kicks ***!

Nice job! What CPA network is shelling out 1.50/pop for zip submits?

thats a pretty usual rate, there are a few (a few!) on neverblue ads. Most are $1 to $2. But key really is keyword research and getting this "lucky" keyword and niche, IMHO.

Great!

Lovely to hear success stories

Yep, a typical zip submit is from $1 to $2. Just wait a couple days and see if you conversion rate goes down though...

So I am guessing your ads finally started showing then...

by the way, like this new banner? I just made it ..wonder how it will convert

Are your landing pages each on respective TLD's of their own?

mostly, some i make subdomains on existing domains. I prefer new domains, the $7.95 are no big deal and i always know i can get good QS with them, *usually*. My existing sites - some of them might have a Google slap on them. I am also scared that if i make a subdomain and site and i screw up my QS that google slaps the whole domain, so i wouldnt be able to get good QS on ANY new subdomain on this domain.

Well, throw a party why don't ya?

Hey George,

Do you do any seo?

David

No, for the CPA stuff i do only PPC for now and i buy banner space. I also let people tweet my URLs to a few thousand people on twitter (I myself have only 300, but there are people who tweet to 17k+ followers

Seo i do for other sites. Mind you, i am really still VERY new to CPA.

Yes, for this KW i am paying $0.07..i am very happy since otherwise i am very frustrated with adwords. Its very rare to find a high traffic KW for such a low bid.

The interesting thing with CPA is that you can have a new approach to advertising, you do NOT need to be as specific as with things where you depend on sales.

Its a HELL of a difference since you can promote and advertise FREE stuff, and with certain offers you can also try to reach a much broader audience - as opposed to trying to sell something from clickbank where you need to be ultra-exact with your targeted audience - and then its still a gamble how many will actually BUY.

You shouldn't limit yourself to just Adwords. Give Yahoo, MSN, Yahoo, and/or Myspace PPC a go!

Good job man.

one word to keep your cost down and promote CPA offers...ADAWARE.

I have a state submit paying $2.40!

I win... Haha

What networks do you guys use? Hydra, Neverblue...

first,

i am sitting on something...my HIGHEST CPC right now is $0.10

I found a way to get on HIGH (sometimes even ultra-high) traffic keywords for $0.07 - $0.10
If you say 0.05 is on the "low volume", you are wrong

2) as for 20% - 40% conversion rate. I hear thats a realistic rate for first-page submits. I know about the Landing pages, that's why i make them all the time

So...i just finished another bunch of sites with pre-landing pages..and i pay $0.10

KW #1 has 80.000 searches/month on EXACT
KW #2 has 40.000 searches/month, also on EXACT match.

For both i pay $0.10..and i see i am actually on pos #3

This is not one of the ULTRA high traffic KWs but it still has "nice" volume. The payout in this case is $2.50.

I noticed that Google actually has something like a "limiter" built in if you come up with a ultra-high traffic KW (i am talking MILLIONS of searches/month)...and YES i got such KW for $0.07. The problem is that its WAY easier to keep good quality score for medium/high search volume....if it comes to ultra high traffic and VERY LOW competition Google will try anything to forcefully lower your QS, even if the page is actually related to the subject.

I found another ultra-high traffic KW (2Mill+ searches/month at EXACT match)...but i would need to bid $0.25....and i bailed out since $0.25 is too much for $1.10/sale. I just dont want to gamble anymore. Right now $0.10 is my limit.

Just a hint: You can make ANY, ANY page related to a keyword if you are a little creative and offer is not *totally* different - and get good 7+ QS to start with. But once its one of those mega keywords the fun usually doesn't last long. I am still researching the system trying to "beat" google a bit. Keyword resarch IS the key, and with CPA you have more freedom, WAY more freedom with your keywords eg. compared to clickbank due to the nature of the offers.

Didn't google close the whole "Destination URL" trick/workaround for high a QS score?

Is anyone else here able to obtain these (extreme?) results?

ie quality clicks in high volume for .07 with 30% to 40% conversion? Anyone else really doing this. I'm not asking about theory, anyone actually really doing this? Anyone have image-grab of the CPA campaign stats to prove it?

I'd love to attain such results, but my reality not even close. Perhaps we can get some real CPA results posted here, good and bad, for comparison?

I got some PMs from people "doubting" my claims, especially to my $0.07 CPC.

Let me explain that i am with adwords for a long time and i had my share with frustration and high bids - just look on the forum where i complain about outrageous bids.

Yes naonline, you are on the right track. I myself have NOT at all even touched everything possible - eg your idea with celebrity names, or news stories, things like that! It gets better if there is an offer which is "somehow" related to the subject.
(Example could be concert tickets!)

The beauty with CPA is that many of the offers are free/trials...and you will see that for SOME niches "free XYZ" has very high search volume but very low bids! In this case this doesnt have to bother us because we DO actually promote free stuff! So..winner right there.

The strategy is 100% different from conventional adwords keyword research. Yes, forget "free ipod"...its too specifc but also extremely oversaturated.

I dont want to spill ALL beans because i plan to make a WSO once i have more data and a good method - and as said, i am still only seeing the tip of the iceberg.

As for conversions, i was busy making lots of sites (still am) since direct linking is impossible - i need to have those ads running for a while to make a clear statement about real life conversions.

Thanks SW, will check this out

i agree. cheap keywords is the name of the game if you want to make it work with zip/email submits. actually cheap keywords can make any campaign extremely profitable.

Here is a VERY nice example:

1. [Celebrity Name] Has Diabetes
   
   Learn How He Simplifies His Life
   With Bayer's CONTOUR® Meter
   www.Celebritynamesomething.com

Note how they use a celebrity name to sell Diabetic equipment. Pure genius.

0.05 is my wet dream for now
Thanks for the info!

Well...that creativity can go a LOOONG way (aka "blackhat")...but i am not doing anything black right now.

I am always thinking about the example with "Jessica Alba Naked"....then go to the site and the pics are gone. Bummer. "Well we had to take down the pics because they are so hot we need to protect minors. But we will send the pics by email, just enter your email here..." [framed CPA offer with email submit]

Note this is blackhat, and no, i am not doing it.

There is plenty of space for creativity even with pure white hat.

well as for clickbank, i managed it to rank some sites #1, and for other CB products i do have Squidoo lenses and similar. My clickbank earnings now are finally 100% PPC free - its all from organic SEO. Now i am using PPC solely for CPA. I dont know why....i could've only dreamed of $0.07 bids for your avg. clickbank products - but with CPA i have no problem finding such keywords.

zip and email submit campaigns will soon be dead.

too much lead shaving, and too much complaining customers.

Google adwords keywordtool, then double checking with google preview tool to see the real US ads up for a keyword. (Since i am in EU)
If i feel up to it i can also double-check potential good KW with Market Samurai. But i keep at the source, Google.

Ok guys, here a little update:

I am VERY busy the last few days and i am making sites left and right for whatever offer i see and think could be good. Also got accepted into MaxBounty.

Right now i am in the phase where i make sites with offers and i making adwords ads, testing on content network as well as on search network.

I am already making money with the CPA offers - at least $50+ day and this *before* i had many other offers and sites up which i just finished literally minutes ago. (Of course i expect MUCH higher earnings For statements like "i make XYZ/day" its too early since i need to observe my earnings over a longer period - and i need the adwords campaigns let "settle".

The point is i am ALREADY making money, as opposed when i remember back when i started with clickbank. It took me an eternity until i got my first clickbank earnings in comparison.

CONVERSION RATES:

I have anything from 28%, 25%, 25%, 10% and a bunch of 8%. But as said, its a little too early since those are VERY early statistics based on very few clicks the last couple of days.

I also got some banners on high traffic sites - one was just activated, will monitor.
Some other banners i slapped on my own sites - but my own sites have rather low traffic.

Tips:

I didnt use Xsite Pro in an eternity...i kind of grew out of it. But for making QUICK landing pages with all the requirements its GREAT. Xsite is great for CPA landing pages! I made one site for an offer...and now i can re-use this template and make sites even quicker for new offers.

Google Trends: Hint, Hint...if you see a CPA offer tied to product which you see ALSO in Google trends...AND you get cheap clicks: WINNER <---

Go on fads/trends hunt..and check your offers whether they somehow relate....this is a gold mine!!

Maybe because i just started w/ MB..so the comparison might not be fair. I am making ads as we speak, some using MaxBounty CPA and others Neverblue. Its also really a matter of luck and trial and error.
Some keywords turn out duds....and some unexpectedly perform great.

I don't doubt those results but of 333 leads, how many did you get paid for? You will still be in profit I'm sure but less than what you showed.
For those newbies who want to use PPC for this, my advice is...don't! Learn as much as you can first.

Thanks for keeping us updated.

great thread so far. Looking to see the overall ctr and roi

Congrats on the results

Now find more campaigns with simular results.
Just think if you can get 10 campaigns running at the same results?

Keep up the good work.
Once I have found a profitable campaign, depending on serveral things I outsource the managment of the campaign. Giving me time to research more offers.

So, little update again.

I promoted some supposedly VERY high converting and high EPC and high paying PAY PER SALE product (VERY competive niche!)...and i actually MADE a few sales, but overall the cost of Ads for this are too high and the conversions for THIS particular one are not that great as i expected. So i stopped the ads running for this.

The best success right now i have with something where i didn't expect it AT ALL: this is a niche with A LOT keywords in an area, say "wallpapers, pictures, smileys, screensavers" kind of of area - where i pay €0.07-€0.09/Click and get VERY good search volume and CTR on variations of the keywords. My landing page for this is an utter joke too..sometimes i can just shake my head...but it goes pretty well.

I will try getting even more traffic to this by finding even more keywords.

As for tips: I think that Derek in the other thread said it already also, but there is only one way to find out: Start making pages and offers, and OBSERVE. You can have 10 campaigns, 8 of them duds....one "ok", one "good".

I think its impossible to say "promote XYZ it will make you rich!"..it really, really depends. You need to test yourself and weed out duds.

I also got a call by COPEAC, i applied...so i guess i will soon be with copeac also.

By the way..i heard SO MANY bad things about hydra that i am not fond of getting accepted with hydra...i think i might decline them even. They didnt call back..but i dont care.