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Writing Blogs With AI

by bobbyswinson
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Hi,
I'm building a piece of software that lets me write SEO-optimized articles with AI. I know there are other platforms like Jasper, etc. out there but those are a little clunky for me and don't specialize in long-form articles.

Anyway, for me personally I have a few requirements when writing blogs, which is:
- Have the target longtail keyword available -- I do more of a low-volume, low-competition strat and try to rank top 3 for those.
- Be high quality (grammatically correct).

And the AI seems to achieve that.

I am currently building something that does correlation studies of top 10 Google results for keywords and wanting to build something like SEOSurfer where it'll suggest some semantic keywords (and how much frequency) you should have for them.

Other than that, was wondering what else folks would look for if they were to have AI write blogs/long-form articles for them?
Ability to choose length of article?
Processing speed (takes 2-3 mins to generate an article right now)?
Some other obvious blindspots I'm not thinking about?
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  • Profile picture of the author DABK
    If I were you, I'd have it base its analysis on the top 3 results for a particular keyword.


    Doing it on the top 10 dilutes the quality of the analysis since: the top 3 are the top 3 because they represent best what Google 'thinks' on which results are best.


    If you can have your AI write articles that reflect personality, you'd be waaaay ahead.


    Other than that, I am betting people will want to control length and the ability to override the AI's use of keywords (how many times and where).


    Originally Posted by bobbyswinson View Post

    Hi,
    I'm building a piece of software that lets me write SEO-optimized articles with AI. I know there are other platforms like Jasper, etc. out there but those are a little clunky for me and don't specialize in long-form articles.

    Anyway, for me personally I have a few requirements when writing blogs, which is:
    - Have the target longtail keyword available -- I do more of a low-volume, low-competition strat and try to rank top 3 for those.
    - Be high quality (grammatically correct).

    And the AI seems to achieve that.

    I am currently building something that does correlation studies of top 10 Google results for keywords and wanting to build something like SEOSurfer where it'll suggest some semantic keywords (and how much frequency) you should have for them.

    Other than that, was wondering what else folks would look for if they were to have AI write blogs/long-form articles for them?
    Ability to choose length of article?
    Processing speed (takes 2-3 mins to generate an article right now)?
    Some other obvious blindspots I'm not thinking about?
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    • Profile picture of the author bobbyswinson
      Good point - I guess once you're below top 3, users don't really click on the results anymore.
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  • Profile picture of the author Artkantos
    I can't add much value there, it's not my strength but keep me posted mate, I'm really interested in something like that, I tried copy.ai, and it's not bad but meh, I'm not impressed either
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    • Profile picture of the author feronajose
      I tried that tool months ago and i am now reaping the punishment of being hit by the Google content update, clicks went down from 10,000 t0 2000 per month.
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  • Profile picture of the author SARubin
    Originally Posted by bobbyswinson View Post

    Hi,

    Other than that, was wondering what else folks would look for if they were to have AI write blogs/long-form articles for them?
    Ability to choose length of article?
    Processing speed (takes 2-3 mins to generate an article right now)?
    Some other obvious blindspots I'm not thinking about?
    Hey bobbyswinson ,
    I'm sure most people have their own opinions about AI written content, and I'm no exception to that rule. So here's my take on it...

    AI is definitely getting better than it was just a year ago, but there's still one thing I see missing from the AI written content...

    ...A unique personality...

    DABK already said it, and I'm just repeating what DABK said (with a few extra words)


    Facts, figures and statistical prose read more like a bland text book, than a peek inside the mind of an author.

    Especially for a blog. The words on the page are only half the equation. The other half is the personality behind the words.


    In all fairness, AI is a tool that can save time with drafts. But like all tools it's only as good as the person using it.

    And so far, with the one's I've tried, you still need to spend time editing and re-writing the copy if you want it to have any character or soul.


    So you ask what folks would look for if they were to have AI write blogs/long-form articles for them...?

    Personality in the writing would be a welcome addition.

    If you can solve that one, you might just change the world.
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    • Profile picture of the author bobbyswinson
      This is feasible and I have some ideas on how this could be done for the personality stuff. Might roll something like this out for next major feature.
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  • Profile picture of the author milaa
    will this software be free or paid? and will the sites will accept that content and won't take it as duplicate content?
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    • Profile picture of the author bobbyswinson
      It'd be plagiarism-free. Paid (costs a fair amount of $$ to run the compute on my backend).
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    Some other obvious blindspots I'm not thinking about?
    Perhaps the 'blind spot' is my own but....for blogs and for social media there is more and more talk about AI and auto-generation of content.

    Ok - say you have a blog where everything is AI generated - and you promote your blogs through various social media accts that are auto-posted.

    If most of the likes and clicks, etc you get are bots or AI comments....is that OK? If all the comments and/or signups you get are also auto-generated...are they worth anything? I KNOW that's not how it supposed to work - but isn't that where it's headed?

    In my mind I see people sitting back while an AI app writes all their content for them.....then I see people visiting the site and sitting back while an app posts comments for them. And I wonder what the point is.

    That said - I can see the value of AI in drafting long articles, for example...but I can't see the value in the articles unless they have a human touch, too.
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      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      If most of the likes and clicks, etc you get are bots or AI comments....is that OK? If all the comments and/or signups you get are also auto-generated...are they worth anything? I KNOW that's not how it supposed to work - but isn't that where it's headed?

      but wat if the bots r mor interesting than real users.


      e.g. wat if they dont engage in constant disinformation.
      or wat if they dont take pride in being having large gaps in their knowledge base.
      or wat if they actually talk about stuff that interests real users as opposed to say their vacation to abu dhabi
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      • Profile picture of the author bobbyswinson
        Sounds like the matrix. I feel like I'd be OK with this if the automated posts are tagged w/ 'not written by a real person' or something. Otherwise, I think for me it'd blur the lines between human<->computer building real relationships too much where the human might find out that a 5-year relationship they have with a blogger is a complete farce.
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          Originally Posted by bobbyswinson View Post

          Sounds like the matrix. I feel like I'd be OK with this if the automated posts are tagged w/ 'not written by a real person' or something. Otherwise, I think for me it'd blur the lines between human<->computer building real relationships too much where the human might find out that a 5-year relationship they have with a blogger is a complete farce.
          Do you actually have relationships with bloggers? a blog sounds a bit too one-sided to be called a relationship.
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          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
            Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

            Do you actually have relationships with bloggers? a blog sounds a bit too one-sided to be called a relationship.
            Nearly all fans feel they have a relationship to the celebrity. And if you write something that someone else reads, to them...you are a celebrity.

            They feel like they understand how you feel, they know the battles you go through, the struggles you have in your life and business. They share the victories.

            If the person reading the blog post feels like they are in a relationship with you...then there is a relationship.

            Of course it's not a relationship like you have with close friends or loved ones. But that personal connection is what sells the most. It sells more than expertise, authority, controversy (although controversy implies a relationship), or hype.

            Have you ever cheered for a sports team? That kind of relationship.
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    • Profile picture of the author bobbyswinson
      I haven't really thought about the dystopian future where social media is just auto-generated content interacting w/ each other that much.

      But I also guess I haven't thought about it because AI is pretty far away from that currently. AI creating long-form articles will most likely be a good 'first draft' and that'll save some time.

      But I guess if we want to get philosophical, even if AI adapts to your personality perfectly, you could argue there's no value if the personality is automated since the presence isn't there anymore.

      I guess for my application is really for articles that are more how-tos and just writing things that are more transactional / useful, as opposed to articles that are used for engaging with users (but I reckon that's something on top of bloggers' minds as well).
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    • Profile picture of the author Troy Arrandale
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post


      In my mind I see people sitting back while an AI app writes all their content for them.....then I see people visiting the site and sitting back while an app posts comments for them. And I wonder what the point is.

      Hey, Kay...

      you mean you didn't know...that the point is SKYNET!!??? lol

      that's where my mind goes when we talk about AI writing our blogs, and then our social media posts, and then the responders and followers using AI to comment back....

      pretty soon we've just got terminators talking to other terminators and human beings sitting in the background becoming veggie brains like the ones depicted in the crass but makes-a-great-point movie "Idiocracy".

      (or when the terminators get mad at us humans, you get end of world stuff...haha)

      But seriously, folks, I love writing so much, well not so much on the non-fiction side, but STILL, when I considered using AI to write my blogs, my Medium.com, my Substack health newsletter, my scripts for my personal experience Youtube health videos...I just couldn't go near it!!!

      Even the 'giving the OP's software a personality might-change-the-world' idea is kinda cool, but creeps me out.

      How many other real writers does it really creep out a little bit? While being absolutely fascinating!

      More power to you, OP!! Who knows. If i get to know an AI writing app/software person like you better, I may just be willing to experiment one day.
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    The best one I've found is wordtune, it rewrites incredible
    Unique articles. Ps I don't own this site nor do I have any affiliation with it at all, I'm just saying I found it the best AI writer of all the ones I have ever tried.
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    • Profile picture of the author bobbyswinson
      I've put in something that does AI-assisted editing in the editor that does something similar (you can rephrase a bunch of stuff), but this is something I hope to make even better in the next few months.
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  • Profile picture of the author Princess Balestra
    Gotta see always 'bout people you would most wanna hang out with to see why AI-scripted dialog overlooksya as an actschwl & natchrl hooman person/animyool.

    The Roobster has it zackly right 'bout the personality thing.

    Think of your bestie for a moment.

    Mine is Amy, an' between us we reinvented the Caaasmaaaahs a zillion times ovah.

    Plus also destroyed it sevrl times, though no zaaahmbies were misdirected in the process.

    Flipside is Avoidable Monstahs For Whom Eternal Damnation Ain't An Optschwaahn Purely Bcs You A Good Goil.

    There is no dialog here beyond definin' straight out what ain't gonna evah ain't.

    Hugs an' cold shouldahs.

    Punches an' kisses.

    That is what hooman people do.

    Fun fact also: they do naht subsist on cardboard when there is pizza.

    Even if'n the fkr is carbonized by Moi.

    Which it actschwlly is most times.

    (You want I write your trillion dollah cookery blahg? Go slash yr wrists, you moron.)

    Truth is, eithah we numbed or inspired by stuffs, an' the best stuffs we gaht on the enda the deal are IRL persons.

    Fulla faults.

    Fulla stoopid.

    Fulla heart.

    25 frickin' 8.

    Mebbe you would naht wanna introdooce 'em to yr parents less'n evrywan srsly concussed ... aw, butchya must.

    What a servile asshole of uttah inconsequence AI scripto be compared to this eons-old story of rampant emergence!
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    • Profile picture of the author SARubin
      Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post


      Truth is, eithah we numbed or inspired by stuffs, an' the best stuffs we gaht on the enda the deal are IRL persons.

      Fulla faults.

      Fulla stoopid.

      Fulla heart.
      Exactly!

      Of course we're talking about blog posts here. When it comes to news reporting I prefer a journalist who sticks to the who, what, where, when, why and how of the story. Just give me the facts and I'll form my own opinions thank you.

      But when it comes to blog posts...

      There's a huge difference between a post that makes us feel connected to the person behind the words, and a post that reads more like some robot ate a bowl of alphabet soup and puked all over the page.

      Like when I read your posts, Princess... Even on those rare occasions when I don't understand what the hell you're talking about, I have yet to see a bot deliver personality that compares to the multicolored prose you birth into this world.

      I'm reminded of something one of my mentors told me many years ago, and it stuck with me ever since...

      She said "Steven, you can inform or educate people, and you'll sell product... You can delight or entertain people, and you'll sell product... You can placate or create controversy, and you'll sell product... But you will never sell anything to anybody by boring people to death."

      She was talking about sales copy, but I believe the same thing is true for blog posts. (Or any kind of persuasive writing)
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    bobbyswinson -



    hold cursor over your 'forum name' in the black toolbar - then click on "view classic" - you may have to log in again - not sure




    That will put you in 'classic forum' where you can quote who you are answering and makes it much easier to join discussions. That is far better - and easier - than posting multiple times to answer multiple people.
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    Hvae you tried https://chat.openai.com/chat? You have to cut and paste but the quality is good.
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    • Profile picture of the author Troy Arrandale
      Originally Posted by squadron View Post

      Hvae you tried https://chat.openai.com/chat? You have to cut and paste but the quality is good.

      when i clicked ur link it says i have to check back cuz they're busy right now
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  • Profile picture of the author toysoldier80
    Make sure that it can sell. Many ai softwares do not usually add selling action words like a call to action. Being able to add many unique calls to action and selling words maybe could be a good idea. I am not sure.
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      How do you make sure it sells?

      Originally Posted by toysoldier80 View Post

      Make sure that it can sell. Many ai softwares do not usually add selling action words like a call to action. Being able to add many unique calls to action and selling words maybe could be a good idea. I am not sure.
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    As we tippytoe to the precipice of year's end for 2022 an' figure what aspects of our bein' can leap up or slack out, it is inevitable we gotta reflect upon our contacts with fellow hoomans as our post-Jurassic-etc Oith evolves herself evah on.

    So, yeah, I stand resolved an' ready to command the world of BRAS, jus' as the Muskster dun revolootionized what it means to be FREE.

    So I figure a cash-suckin' blahg, targettin' wimmin till it shoots up their vestibyool areahs like the ultimate gasmstuffs, gotta be way to go -- an' bcs I the lamest slackah evah, FFS why don't I jus' sun out on the beach while the ultra-slavo AI cranks up the persuasive juicy in my favah?

    Tellya, that is the millennial dream in a nutshell.

    I don't gotta do nuthin', I don't gotta stress out, an' I can bask in the glory of infinite income on infinite tap bcs my boobie-friendly AI speaks so direct to evrywan's titties it is like I been blessed with genius ain't zackly muh own!

    I say this as a nachlrl an' trooly loveabyool creacher!

    Stoopid thing is, what if'n AI got a holda this stuff steada jus' Moi?

    Or Duane Honkgroppet of Illinois, whose rectal soreness allied to AI smarts could (potentially) see him become a zillionaire by 2024 c/o SitAnyplaceWithoutEmbarrassingDischarge.com?

    rn, seems evrywan can play.

    Butchya know how it goes with cliques.

    Suddenly, you locked out, blanked & blocked.

    Gotta figure how uncomfy it would be to be locked outta a dialog between nowan an' evrywan.

    That is why actschwl people always yr bestest evah friends.

    Even if'n they c*nts.

    Troo an' tangible touchpoints mattah so much.

    & that is why the visceral triumphs always ovah the missable.

    Plus also why anythin' certain is intrinsically fragile.

    C'mon, Smoochiepoppets, we gotta get out there an' touch on heart!
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by welski View Post

      I only use tools that has factual features in them
      My favorite factual AI writers are longshot.ai, atomictopics.com and katteb
      You know. AI is a liar, liar, pants on fire sort of thing. It also just makes things up.

      In today's world, however, FACTS may not be that important to some, as seen on any main stream, or off stream, down stream, up stream news outlet.

      And very soon, when AI is instructed to use the knee jerk dog whistles, that is when writers, and copywriters should get nervous.

      Good copy and content writers know which bait to use depending on the fish they want to catch. Until AI is instructed to use the right bait, which is coming soon, writers will maintain the upper hand.

      "Facts?" Who needs em today? (in jest).

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      • Profile picture of the author Troy Arrandale
        Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

        You know. AI is a liar, liar, pants on fire sort of thing. It also just makes things up.

        In today's world, however, FACTS may not be that important to some, as seen on any main stream, or off stream, down stream, up stream news outlet.

        And very soon, when AI is instructed to use the knee jerk dog whistles, that is when writers, and copywriters should get nervous.

        Good copy and content writers know which bait to use depending on the fish they want to catch. Until AI is instructed to use the right bait, which is coming soon, writers will maintain the upper hand.

        "Facts?" Who needs em today? (in jest).

        GordonJ
        I've been experiencing a bit of the liar pants on fire thing with the free version of chatgpt yesterday. It was adding in fake facts about a novel I'm quite familiar with. I wrote back, are you sure that? and where did you get that idea? and it apologized. lol

        But today that doesn't matter to me so much as the fact that I've been composing my new novel, bit by bit, the last few days and it has quite a bit of content I now cannot get back to because due to high demand, it is down.

        Not even that matters so much, because I pasted the best of the drafts it made onto a Word doc and I've been editing those to suit me. It's just that the last prompt and result from yesterday I didn't copy and paste and it was quite valuable. I didn't realize that it goes down to busyness and other things, so when it comes back up I won't use it again.

        I did look into upgrading to more unlimited chatgpt for $20/month but when I click to buy it says this has been disable due to high demand too lol

        None of this has to do with writing blogs, except that it is more long-form, like blogs. I've been using it to help get to the know the theme or angles and which way to approach to the novel, it has written three key dramatic scenes that i'm going to edit they were so good and emotional. I've had scenes in a few of the blog articles i've written in the past, so that fits with this thread.

        Just beware, blog writers to save the content you like elsewhere, cuz i didn't know but i am glad and lucky I did.

        Now i'm looking into the cost of Jasper.ai, it's middle-sized plan which it says is for long form. But wow, even Jasper has big prices based on word count. And as fast as AI writes, is the word count based on how many words IT writes or how many that I myself write or both???
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        • Profile picture of the author Troy Arrandale
          Originally Posted by Troy Arrandale View Post

          I've been experiencing a bit of the liar pants on fire thing with the free version of chatgpt yesterday. It was adding in fake facts about a novel I'm quite familiar with. I wrote back, are you sure that? and where did you get that idea? and it apologized. lol

          But today that doesn't matter to me so much as the fact that I've been composing my new novel, bit by bit, the last few days and it has quite a bit of content I now cannot get back to because due to high demand, it is down.

          Not even that matters so much, because I pasted the best of the drafts it made onto a Word doc and I've been editing those to suit me. It's just that the last prompt and result from yesterday I didn't copy and paste and it was quite valuable. I didn't realize that it goes down to busyness and other things, so when it comes back up I won't use it again.

          I did look into upgrading to more unlimited chatgpt for $20/month but when I click to buy it says this has been disable due to high demand too lol

          None of this has to do with writing blogs, except that it is more long-form, like blogs. I've been using it to help get to the know the theme or angles and which way to approach to the novel, it has written three key dramatic scenes that i'm going to edit they were so good and emotional. I've had scenes in a few of the blog articles i've written in the past, so that fits with this thread.

          Just beware, blog writers to save the content you like elsewhere, cuz i didn't know but i am glad and lucky I did.

          Now i'm looking into the cost of Jasper.ai, it's middle-sized plan which it says is for long form. But wow, even Jasper has big prices based on word count. And as fast as AI writes, is the word count based on how many words IT writes or how many that I myself write or both???


          update: the upgrade button came back to life and I'm glad I upgraded. In fact none of my content was really lost. I posted today about how I'm really using chatgpt to help with my novel writing that I've been blocked on, working periodically on, then getting blocked on over and over for the lasf three years.

          I see in this thread with my earlier posts how I've gone from ignorant and fearful of how chatgpt works to actually liking it.

          very useful tool, so more power to you @ OP.
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    But today that doesn't matter to me so much as the fact that I've been composing my new novel, bit by bit, the last few days and it has quite a bit of content I now cannot get back to because due to high demand, it is down.

    My first thought was - if I were 'writing' a novel using A.I. I wouldn't be revealing that fact.


    If you hired a ghostwriter and then learned that person 'created' a book using A.I. would you be satisfied? I wouldn't but maybe I'm in the minority here.



    I read a long article the other day (can't find it now of course) by one of the developers of chatgpt - who said HE is worried at how fast the technology is spreading and how it might be used. Of course, he took the money and then got worried later...
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    • Profile picture of the author Troy Arrandale
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      My first thought was - if I were 'writing' a novel using A.I. I wouldn't be revealing that fact.


      If you hired a ghostwriter and then learned that person 'created' a book using A.I. would you be satisfied? I wouldn't but maybe I'm in the minority here.



      I read a long article the other day (can't find it now of course) by one of the developers of chatgpt - who said HE is worried at how fast the technology is spreading and how it might be used. Of course, he took the money and then got worried later...

      Great response! Hadn't thought of it that way yet. Actually, Kay, for three reasons I am not Ashamed or afraid of revealing it. (You got me thinking because I myself have been so fearful and biased about chatgpt that I've avoided even investigating for years until last week.)

      Once I had fully investigated it , I saw that it cannot do long form. It's not doing A whole book for me. It definitely needs me. Ha ha. The human.

      And 2, I found I was using it to Generate ideas., inspire me, figure out the Themes and whether I should use straight storytelling or nonlinear plot, and to ask it questions about style or voice.

      The third reason I'm not afraid to reveal the fact I'm using chatgpt is because it's on a three novel series I've been working on for 3 years now and these characters and the plot events are pretty much set in stone now. They're mine. I'm open about what I'm ACTUALLY using it for. Some things I'm asking chatgpt to show me is stuff like "rewrite this paragraph in the style of [certain author]" and then after I read that I say to do it again in the style of a different author, so I can compare and see different moods and tone, so I can decide which mood or tone I'd like to convey in my novel.

      These are small exercises to unblock me in this huge project. I've already published 3 other works where I already KNEW the voice or tone instinctively, and was able to figure out with my own imagination the plot and style of the storytelling.
      This is the only project so far where for 3 years the tone has eluded me for some reason.

      Sometimes now, lol, (and this makes me chuckle at myself considering how biased I used to be) I'm even frustrated it can't do long form. Like, it'll have a few great sentences and then devolve into crap lol.
      So I then have to go do real work if I want to use the idea in those great sentences or the sentences themselves.

      I may have to actually work for an hour or two to make something good out of it.

      All in all chatgpt is unblocking me and saving me some time.

      It's even helping me get more entertaining ideas for my emails to my email list (I'm also an Affiliate marketer.) It spits out a so-so email but then ill say something like rewrite using some odd metaphor and I'll actually get something funny or exciting I can edit.
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