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  • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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    I play the game... and I don't buy this. Heard the word "credibility"? This is lacking it. What is "Sports Science Institute of Golf"? Something you made up? Who is "Dr Benjamin Duvall"? Ditto.

    This reads like a I.M. scam letter. It's laid out the same. And you're talking down to me. It reads like you haven't a bloody clue what you're talking about. So a golf club has a "sweet spot"? Who knew?

    Actually you lost me at the headline...with the word "crushing" and the bogus "Or I'll pay you $10 for wasting your time". Followed by that awful "here's the story".

    Talking of bogus... I see what you're trying to do with the quotes from Garcia, Woods and Rose...and it doesn't work.

    What you're flogging is probably a Chinese knockoff of a well-known brand.

    And those testimonials? Worthless. Bet you anything your copywriter pulled them out of his butt.

    BTW... you claim a Rocketballz Stage 2 is $599. Rubbish. They're available right now on Amazon for $209.95
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  • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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    Appears this is written by Mark Pescetti a.k.a. Marc Pesci a.k.a. Dr Benjamin Duvall

    http://marcpesci.com/wp-content/uplo...solo-email.pdf

    Dr Benjamin Duvall and Sports Science Research Institute also get an honorable mention in "Ripoff Report".

    Hilarious.
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    • Profile picture of the author Harlan
      I'd like to thank business owners who seek out the cheapest copywriters and free critiques for showing what they think their product is worth.

      Just the other day there was a post about what it costs for critiques.

      People post $1000, $500 and then someone jumps in with $90.

      You get what you pay for.

      Instead of having a million dollar business, he hired a copywriter who doesn't know the golf niche and is doing a poor imitation of an old Carlton letter.

      How much money are you losing by "saving money" on your copy?

      When you feel enough pain, hire a real pro.

      You'll make real money.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Pescetti
      Originally Posted by The Copy Nazi View Post

      Appears this is written by Mark Pescetti a.k.a. Marc Pesci a.k.a. Dr Benjamin Duvall

      http://marcpesci.com/wp-content/uplo...solo-email.pdf

      Dr Benjamin Duvall and Sports Science Research Institute also get an honorable mention in "Ripoff Report".

      Hilarious.
      Nope. Didn't write it. Just helped out with a free email.

      Stalk much?
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      • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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        Originally Posted by Mark Pescetti View Post

        Nope. Didn't write it. Just helped out with a free email.

        Stalk much?
        Stalk? LOL. Just did my "due diligence". As in I Googled it...and voila - there she blows. With your name all over it. Or one of them.
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      • Profile picture of the author Harlan
        Originally Posted by Mark Pescetti View Post

        Nope. Didn't write it. Just helped out with a free email.

        Stalk much?
        When you work for free, that's how you value your work.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mark Pescetti
          Originally Posted by Harlan View Post

          When you work for free, that's how you value your work.
          Lol... What do they say about assume?

          I enjoy helping people. My successful campaigns allow me to live a great life. And I express my appreciation by helping - when I can... and when I'm inspired or challenged.

          By the way...

          The owner reported fantastic open and click thru rates. Now, why don't y'all quit with the classless pissing contest. Either contribute or go live your life.

          Anchorman - "You Stay Classy San Diego" - YouTube
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          • Profile picture of the author Harlan
            Originally Posted by Mark Pescetti View Post

            The owner reported fantastic open and click thru rates. Now, why don't y'all quit with the classless pissing contest. Either contribute or go live your life.
            The satisfied owner is sending me private messages asking for free critiques.

            He's got you doing free emails.

            Why should he pay?
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          • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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            Originally Posted by Mark Pescetti View Post

            The owner reported fantastic open and click thru rates.
            Uh huh. And did it convert? Rhetorical question isn't it. Otherwise he wouldn't have posted this here.
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    • Profile picture of the author copyassassin
      Originally Posted by The Copy Nazi View Post

      Appears this is written by Mark Pescetti a.k.a. Marc Pesci a.k.a. Dr Benjamin Duvall

      http://marcpesci.com/wp-content/uplo...solo-email.pdf

      Dr Benjamin Duvall and Sports Science Research Institute also get an honorable mention in "Ripoff Report".

      Hilarious.
      Mal,

      This comment seems a little mean. Although you say "appears", many readers might be read the rest of this thread to see Mark didn't write the copy.

      It does make him look bad. Or the implication does. Especially with Harlan saying how bad it is.

      Maybe an update in that particular post with "mark didn't write this".

      This is a good lesson for everybody to be careful to use a nofollow in the robot crawl.

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      • Profile picture of the author Mark Pescetti
        Originally Posted by copyassassin View Post

        Mal,

        This comment seems a little mean. Although you say "appears", many readers might be read the rest of this thread to see Mark didn't write the copy.

        It does make him look bad. Or the implication does. Especially with Harlan saying how bad it is.

        Maybe an update in that particular post with "mark didn't write this".

        This is a good lesson for everybody to be careful to use a nofollow in the robot crawl.

        Adam
        No, I didn't write the sales letter in the OP.

        Just want to make that clear.

        Karma will sort out the rest.
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      • Profile picture of the author Russ Ramon
        A lot is being said about The Copy Nazi and Harlan's blunt approaches to the OP's original post, but I think - and I'm saying this with the caveat that the OP should not take this personally as this IS, well, the WarriorForum - that they are not to blame for their direct approach.

        Being a copywriter myself, I too have had my fair share of cheapstakes who want free advice without paying up, and when they DO pay, it's only after you make concessions for them and compromise on what your work is truly worth just so you could fit their budget.

        Even THEN, I've had "bottom-feeder" clients who vanish without paying the rest of the tuition's they owe.

        Harlan and The Copy Nazi, being as experienced as they are, would have no doubt come across many such nightmare clients and frankly, I can't see why ANY copywriter would not develop a protective carapace around their well-honed services, and advice gleamed from years of very expensive trial and error; advice worth far more respect than that.

        No such thing as charity or free-lunch in business. "Investment" is really the only language it understands.

        With all that being said, I am actually talking in private with the OP, and giving him the benefit of the doubt. In no way am I saying that he necessarily fits the profile of the sort of clients I described above, but I am reserving judgement until I see how the discussion with him evolves.
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        • Profile picture of the author Harlan
          Originally Posted by Russ Ramon View Post

          No such thing as charity or free-lunch in business. "Investment" is really the only language it understands.

          With all that being said, I am actually talking in private with the OP, and giving him the benefit of the doubt. In no way am I saying that he necessarily fits the profile of the sort of clients I described above, but I am reserving judgement until I see how the discussion with him evolves.
          Keep feeding a bottom feeder and he will remain a bottom feeder.

          By giving him free advice hoping he will pay you guarantees his continued failure.
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          • Profile picture of the author Russ Ramon
            Oh, I've reached the stage where the ball is in his court now, and what little advice I gave him was given thinking I was the only one he had approached (in response to my copywriting service).

            Little did I know he had been approaching you and probably several others. Ironically, he was the one who drew my attention to this thread, haha.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Pescetti
    No, it didn't convert.

    I don't think he made a single sale.

    He has other copy that has somewhat converted and has shown potential. I told him to focus on that copy and find lists in (or around) his niche to buy some solo ads.

    I also sent him to Paul Hooper-Kelly to rewrite the copy he posted here. Hopefully he invests the ridiculously tiny amount of money that Paul is asking and gets a winner.

    @Harlan...

    I don't disagree that he needs to pay big time. My little bits of help aren't solving his underlying problems. He needs someone who really understands this market to write the copy. And yes, he needs to step up to the plate (or the tee in this case) and pony up some big bucks. I tried to connect him with the copywriter I felt would absolutely nail the copy, but it was outside his budget.

    In the meantime, maybe someone like Paul can write something that converts and allows him to play a bigger game.

    Mark
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    • Profile picture of the author Enfusia
      I've said this before; Great copywriters don't cost you money - they make you money!!!

      I had a client about a month ago that had a letter that had 0 conversions. He pissed and moaned about my fee, but finally went for it. Now he has a 600% + ROI for every dollar he spends on advertizing. He literally can't throw money at it fast enough and has 2 more projects for me.

      He learned his lesson and now doesn't even ask what the fee is.

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    • Profile picture of the author Harlan
      Originally Posted by Mark Pescetti View Post

      I tried to connect him with the copywriter I felt would absolutely nail the copy, but it was outside his budget.
      For all the guys grandiose claims, he's a bottom feeder who just doesn't want to pay.

      You aren't helping him.
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  • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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    @ Pescetti Oh good... now we're getting somewhere. Comes back to the same thing doesn't it - research. Knowing your market and your subject before you commit one word. I know this niche. So does Harlan. If you're not a golfer - you won't get it. I always think of golf like playing pool - on a bigger scale (and I'm a very good pool player). But it's more than that - it's ZEN...and it's a "gentlemans game". We don't "crush it". We might say "jolly good shot old boy" - and all the rest of it. But if you don't play...and you try to write about it...it just comes across as fake.

    I also surf. Have done for more years than I care to remember. And if you're a kook and try to write with authority I will see right through it. So will your audience.

    Anyway...I'm glad you replied.
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  • Profile picture of the author waynemoney
    Out of all of the posts I have ever read on the WF this is the most disturbing. I would think that two professionals would have more class.

    I find it unbelievable that Harlan only cares about money. As far as everyone else why play into the crap. You know opinions are like A Holes and thats exactly how you guys are coming across.

    The guy that started this post was looking for constructive criticism and was not looking to be belittled. I think you all owe him an apology

    Its hard to put your stuff out there for critique because you are scared that people will act just like you guys have.

    By the way money is not everything. Helping someone from time to time is good Karma.

    As far as the sales copy I agree it needs work and comes across kinda scammy. I wish I could give you good advice here to change it but I can't. I am an avid golfer I play daily. I guarantee you that I would not buy this product. I believe it to be a chinese knockoff.

    A more straightforward and honest approach targeting beginner golfers would be my approach.
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    • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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      Originally Posted by waynemoney View Post

      Out of all of the posts I have ever read on the WF this is the most disturbing. I would think that two professionals would have more class.

      I find it unbelievable that Harlan only cares about money. As far as everyone else why play into the crap. You know opinions are like A Holes and thats exactly how you guys are coming across.

      The guy that started this post was looking for constructive criticism and was not looking to be belittled. I think you all owe him an apology

      Its hard to put your stuff out there for critique because you are scared that people will act just like you guys have.

      By the way money is not everything. Helping someone from time to time is good Karma.

      As far as the sales copy I agree it needs work and comes across kinda scammy. I wish I could give you good advice here to change it but I can't. I am an avid golfer I play daily. I guarantee you that I would not buy this product. I believe it to be a chinese knockoff.

      A more straightforward and honest approach targeting beginner golfers would be my approach.
      Hilarious. "Only cares about money". What do you call yourself?

      As for the rest "opinions are like ...". Maybe. Except when they come from people who know what they are talking about.

      "I wish I could give you good advice here to change it but I can't". Exactly.

      "The guy that started this post was looking for constructive criticism and was not looking to be belittled. I think you all owe him an apology". Oh right. Know what this advice is worth? If the O.P. has half a brain he'll get it.
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      • Profile picture of the author waynemoney
        I call myself Wayne Money because that is my name. You may know what youre talking about that it is yet to be seen. I think that things go to some peoples heads and they feel like they are better than others for no real reason at all. Its not what you say its how you say it.

        My impression of copywriters from reading these posts is that you are a bunch of blow hards that don't care about anyone but yourselves. Lucky for me I know a few good ones.

        You might want to remember that we all start somewhere and need help sometime.

        Get over yourself


        Originally Posted by The Copy Nazi View Post

        Hilarious. "Only cares about money". What do you call yourself?

        As for the rest "opinions are like ...". Maybe. Except when they come from people who know what they are talking about.

        "I wish I could give you good advice here to change it but I can't". Exactly.

        "The guy that started this post was looking for constructive criticism and was not looking to be belittled. I think you all owe him an apology". Oh right. Know what this advice is worth? You're WAY out of your depth. School of no idea.
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        • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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          Originally Posted by waynemoney View Post

          I call myself Wayne Money because that is my name. You may know what youre talking about that it is yet to be seen. I think that things go to some peoples heads and they feel like they are better than others for no real reason at all. Its not what you say its how you say it.

          My impression of copywriters from reading these posts is that you are a bunch of blow hards that don't care about anyone but yourselves. Lucky for me I know a few good ones.

          You might want to remember that we all start somewhere and need help sometime.

          Get over yourself
          Son...I know EXACTLY what I'm talking about. If you don't know who I am or what I've done - what I'm doing... I could care less.

          "Yet to be seen". Oh right.

          As for "help"... look to your left. See the "Thanked"? - that comes from helping.

          As my old mate Mark Andrews would say - "Just shut it - before you embarrass yourself".

          [walks off muttering "Bloody blow-ins"]

          "Lucky for me I know I few good ones"... uh huh.
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    • Profile picture of the author Harlan
      Originally Posted by waynemoney View Post

      Out of all of the posts I have ever read on the WF this is the most disturbing. I would think that two professionals would have more class.

      I find it unbelievable that Harlan only cares about money. As far as everyone else why play into the crap. You know opinions are like A Holes and thats exactly how you guys are coming across.
      You get what you pay for.

      This guy is whining up and down about his sales letter and bragging about how it's doing.

      But it's not.

      And it's time to pay up or stop whining.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mr. Subtle
      Originally Posted by waynemoney View Post

      Out of all of the posts I have ever read on the WF this is the most disturbing. I would think that two professionals would have more class.

      ... As far as everyone else why play into the crap. You know opinions are like A Holes and thats exactly how you guys are coming across.

      The guy that started this post was looking for constructive criticism and was not looking to be belittled. I think you all owe him an apology

      Its hard to put your stuff out there for critique because you are scared that people will act just like you guys have.
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      • Profile picture of the author waynemoney
        I'm not offended I just think a couple of these guys are straight butt heads. To call what is probably a newbie a bottom feeder is just crap.

        Thinking your better than someone else because you know something or have more money is as low as you get and I hope that the Universe rains down hell on people like that.


        Originally Posted by Mr. Subtle View Post

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    • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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      Originally Posted by waynemoney View Post

      Out of all of the posts I have ever read on the WF this is the most disturbing. I would think that two professionals would have more class.

      I find it unbelievable that Harlan only cares about money. As far as everyone else why play into the crap. You know opinions are like A Holes and thats exactly how you guys are coming across.

      The guy that started this post was looking for constructive criticism and was not looking to be belittled. I think you all owe him an apology

      Its hard to put your stuff out there for critique because you are scared that people will act just like you guys have.

      By the way money is not everything. Helping someone from time to time is good Karma.

      As far as the sales copy I agree it needs work and comes across kinda scammy. I wish I could give you good advice here to change it but I can't. I am an avid golfer I play daily. I guarantee you that I would not buy this product. I believe it to be a chinese knockoff.

      A more straightforward and honest approach targeting beginner golfers would be my approach.
      I don't think you know the full story here. I don't either...but I know a lot more than you. You think Harlan and I are being meanies. Here's what's going on. This dude - the O.P. (who doesn't even have the courtesy to comment on the replies and feedback he's getting here) has been contacting writers from this forum for copy.

      He approached me back in 29th December last year wanting some "help" in exchange for one of his golfclubs (He's selling them for $87 so I presume he's buying them for a lot less than that). I passed. As did at least three other writers I know of.

      But...seems he managed to get some others to write his copy - either for nix or on the cheap. Mark Pescetti being one of them. I note that he's used the Solo Ad copy as a sample on his site. Fair enough. We all have to start somewhere. Whoever wrote the salespage probably did it for the same deal - cheap/in exchange for a golf club/sample/testimonial - whatever.

      Meanwhile matey posts in another part of this forum -
      With the advent of internet, I developed a couple websites and began marketing. The one thing I did do well is develop an opt in database of 350,000. I have
      woefully under performed. The sites do up to 2000 a month in sales, better during prime golf season.
      So he's not exactly broke.

      You see where I'm going with this? He's trying to take advantage of new writers - or writers who need the work. Not quite the same as some "newbie" looking for an innocent "review" is it? More like a cheapass - as Harlan so rightly points out.

      You say - I find it unbelievable that Harlan only cares about money. As far as everyone else why play into the crap. You know opinions are like A Holes and thats exactly how you guys are coming across.

      The guy that started this post was looking for constructive criticism and was not looking to be belittled. I think you all owe him an an apology.
      Au contraire mon ami. It's this cat that owes everyone here an apology. I see his little game and I don't like it.

      You also go on to opine -
      My impression of copywriters from reading these posts is that you are a bunch of blow hards that don't care about anyone but yourselves. Lucky for me I know a few good ones.

      You might want to remember that we all start somewhere and need help sometime.
      We haven't seen you round these parts before but let me tell you how it works. Most of us drop in here between gigs. WE'RE WORKING. We don't have time to mollycoddle people. We don't have time to play ring-around-the rosie. We're straight forward and yes - blunt. Sorry about that Chief but I'm busy. I aint got time to hold your hand or talk about the weather. I think you'll find that we do indeed care about people - do some digging and you'll see. You say "Lucky for me I know some good ones". Bet you anything you're talking about content writers. Big difference. Wanna know how much tax I paid last year on earnings? Well...none of your business...but I get paid substantially for what I do. And Harlan...he would be in the seven figures probably. So it's YOU who's disrespecting us.

      I've helped a lot of people here. Sure Rabbi Kilstein has too. And I've been burnt a few times. Leaves a bad taste in the mouth I can tell you. I've given people money to pay their rent when they've been desperate...to then discover they've had a birthday party on my dough. I've rewritten people's copy - and they've used it without thanks. I've had copy ripped off word for word. I've had people take my money to paint portraits of my children - and done a runner. So it goes.

      Meanwhile on another thread I'm hammering some chump who dreams of being a hot-shot copywriter. I could have sold him on a $1000 "mentoring" package (which I don't do BTW) and he said he would have been glad to pay it. I've just sent him a complete course on copywriting - for free.

      Anyway...gotta get back to it. Just wanted to set you and a few others straight. If you think this OP is some sort of struggling newbie - think again. He appears to be, at the least, taking advantage...and at the worst - a con artist. Go read the Rip Off Report for starters.

      So what say you O.P.? Man enough to discuss what you're up to? I don't like seeing these guys being taken for a ride - if that's what you're doing.

      There again - who knows - maybe you guys get a kick out of working for zip. I don't.
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  • Just on the money thing.

    Paying $5,000, $15,000 or $100,000 doesn't necessarily guarantee you good copy.

    Before you pay a cent - get to know your copywriter.

    They must be able to demonstrate that the money you pay them should be a good investment.

    (I've never played golf so FFS don't hire me to write a golf ad - and no $250,000 plus 10% won't make it a winning ad*).


    And always remember the vital formula - the success of any promo works like this-

    40% the list, 40% the offer and 20% the copy.


    Fore!


    Steve


    P.S. * Actually it might but I'll need at least 10 years to do the research on the 19th hole and learn how to swing the clubs on the others.
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    • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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      Originally Posted by Steve The Copywriter View Post


      And always remember the vital formula - the success of any promo works like this-

      40% the list, 40% the offer and 20% the copy.


      Steve
      Spurious. From the same school that teaches "90% of internet marketers fail". You know better than that. It's a "market economy". (Yeah you newbies - get Googling - exercise your brain)
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    • Profile picture of the author Mr. Subtle
      Originally Posted by Steve The Copywriter View Post

      40% the list, 40% the offer and 20% the copy.
      What do you mean by "the offer?"
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  • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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    [deep gravelly-voiced Wolfman Jack-style read]

    "Remember campers - 40% the list, 40% the offer and 20% the copy

    (I wanted to add "and suck my balls while you're at it" but I'd better not. )
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    • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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      Originally Posted by redeem54 View Post

      HI golfswng,

      Are you trying to get advice and tips or are you trying to advertise you website?
      Oh look - the copywriting superstar enters the room. It just gets better and better.
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  • Lets adjust the math.

    Mr Subtle asked "What is the Offer?" - which is a huge part of the copywriting gig.

    The "offer" being what is being errr offered.

    So the nice new formula is - 60% copywriting and 40% the list.

    Nonsense - you would only send the stuff to the right people.

    Or get the best inter web traffic.

    So now we have it - it's 100% copywriting.

    Steve


    P.S. Always good to fuse it with some common sense marketing.
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  • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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    Oh look - http://www.warriorforum.com/wanted-m...ml#post7535085

    At least someone thinks it's hot copy. Actually it's not tragic...but it could be a whole lot better. Off target - in my opinion. But what would I know. Big rip of Carlton's headline copy though.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mr. Subtle
      Originally Posted by The Copy Nazi View Post

      Big rip of Carlton's headline copy though.
      Yep...












      (Carlton's is in B&W.)
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      • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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        Originally Posted by Mr. Subtle View Post

        Yep...












        (Carlton's is in B&W.)
        I believe this is Gary Halbert's original headline:

        "Amazing Secret Discovered By 72 Year Old Illinois Farmer Can Slash Up To Eleven Strokes From Your Golf Score The Very First Time You Use It"

        And this is his protegé John Carlton's:

        "Amazing Secret Discovered By One-Legged Golfer Adds 50 Yards To Your Drives, Eliminates Hooks and Slices... And Can Slash Up To 10 Strokes From Your Game Almost Overnight!"
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  • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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    Well J.C. does bill himself as "Most ripped-off copywriter on the web".
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  • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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    Actually... I might have got this wrong. When I said
    But...seems he managed to get some others to write his copy - either for nix or on the cheap.
    Really...it's none of my business what he paid for the copy... or what they charged. Both parties might be completely happy with the arrangement. But... I do find it strange that he posts the copy here for critique. If someone did that to me - without my consent... I'd be pretty pissed.
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  • I say chaps (and lady golfers)

    I'm a touch confused here.

    The site everybody is barking on about isn't exactly world class.

    But as Mr Lambe pointed out its not "tragic."

    I noticed a few points that are very amiss.

    And yes the lingo doesn't match the golfers colloquialisms.

    But dash it hell, we hear there were zilch sales.

    Now it may be the inter web site was cast off into cyberspace and nobody saw the damn thing.

    But assuming a few good people dropped by I would have expected a bit of a sales splash.

    At least a profit to pay for the hotel and green fees for a decent weekend in Turnberry or Gleneagles.

    I've seen far worse copy do extremely well.

    So, apart from the possible lack of traffic - what do you think it is that's f****** the whole thing up?


    Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author waynemoney
    Nazi, I respect your candor and completely understand why you took the stand you did. I hope that you can see why I felt the way I did when I read this post the first time. I stood up for the guy that started this post out of respect for the forum. I don't want to feel like if I need advice or want an opinion that I will be called a "bottom feeder".

    As far as how much you make and how important you are. I don't know you and none of that would ever matter to me anyways. The money a man makes does not make the man.

    I also believe that a good guy doesn't say he is a good guy he shows it in his actions.

    I have read some of your posts and feel like you do truly like to help people and I like your directness. I don't like people that beat around the bush. I don't have enough time for it either.

    Anyways thanks for the information. I learned a great lesson here and will make sure that I understand all sides before I pass judgement. All I saw was what looked like a newbie getting his butt handed to him.

    Take it easy enjoy life not the money.
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