Driving traffic to a free offer?

by sr.20
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...when you first start out online it is very difficult to sell people on your mailing list if they opt in to get something for free we call them freebies, monetizing the people on the backend is how you make money and this mainly done via CPA offers.

Looking at it with a broader perspective, the same people are on hundreds of mailing lists.

They belong to other people lists making it difficult for them to know your identity. In this perspective, are you on another person’s mailing list?
#driving #free #offer #traffic
  • Profile picture of the author quadagon
    I'm probably on about 12 mailing lists; I like to see what people are doing. If people are operating a different sales method to what they are promoting then I'm not interested in their product.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ben Holmes
    I'm on about 30-40 lists...

    I read several of them religiously...

    Others I read as the occasion requires, or as the titles demand.

    It's a fascinating way to learn what others do - for free... I occasionally pick up nuggets of pure gold this way.

    It only works for email series, of course... if someone changes their squeeze page, I never notice... if they develop a new traffic source, there's no way to see that.

    So it's not a perfect learning method... but it's better than most.
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    • Profile picture of the author cborgrx
      Originally Posted by Ben Holmes View Post

      I'm on about 30-40 lists...

      I read several of them religiously...

      Others I read as the occasion requires, or as the titles demand.

      It's a fascinating way to learn what others do - for free... I occasionally pick up nuggets of pure gold this way.

      It only works for email series, of course... if someone changes their squeeze page, I never notice... if they develop a new traffic source, there's no way to see that.

      So it's not a perfect learning method... but it's better than most.
      Ben is right on. I am on about a dozen lists and it is a great way to learn.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ben Holmes
        Originally Posted by cborgrx View Post

        Ben is right on. I am on about a dozen lists and it is a great way to learn.
        And I really sorta fell into this... I've been on some lists for years... I began recognizing different methods... it took me a while, but now I can usually tell if an email is part of a series, or if it's an adswap or solo. I've been able to figure out which list owners are 'churn & burners', and which ones never sell a solo or adswap with anyone...

        More importantly, I learned a lot of tricks for keeping my emails out of spam filters... you can learn quite a bit if you spend some time browsing through a gmail spam box. (It's particularly fun when you spot well known list builders who got one of their emails stuck there!)

        But now, this is one of the tactics I teach. And it really makes sense when you think about it... what better place to learn what list owners are doing than to be on their lists? Oh sure, you can buy their WSO's, and keep an eye on their website (if they have one).

        By the way, that's another neat trick... when you spot a squeeze page, see if the base URL goes to a blog, or type 'blog' after the base URL... not all list builders use a blog - but the ones who do - you can sometimes read quite interesting details about their list building efforts & methods.

        Nothing's a secret here... it's all out in the open if you'll look for it.
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  • Profile picture of the author quadagon
    Joining lists can be a great way to create a swipe file regardless of whether you buy or not. It also fun to sit there are go oh look he's doing a jeff walker launch.

    In magic a lot of people start performing tricks using the script they've seen the latest tv star using, they don't make the trick their own and never really own the effect. They do the right thing and say the right thing at the right time but the magics not there.

    All the best

    Eric
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  • Profile picture of the author jfalxr
    I'm on around 15-20 list.. Been around on buyers list for about 40-50% of them.. And as Ben said, it's a great way to learn email marketing from these people for free..

    Just a few of them I opened and read regularly. Depends on the headlines being used.. So yes, it's a great way to have additional headlines ideas for me..
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  • Profile picture of the author fieldsread
    Mailing list are great to see how others are marketing. Is the information that you are selling helpful to the freebie seeker? I've purchased from some of these list but, it is true that I am on more that I have purchased from.
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  • Profile picture of the author tones
    I'm in the same boat as most of you are. I am on about 15 list.

    Part of it is for ideas of my follow up messages I send to my list and see how people go about sending there messages.

    Most have different routines of the amount of times they send there emails per day or per week. Be yourself though when sending messages to your list don't imitate someone else.
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  • Profile picture of the author anwar001
    Not only is being on somebody's list good place to get ideas for headlines, content but also what offers to promote in that niche.
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  • Profile picture of the author RWBiggs
    I agree with most everyone on this thread. I'm on many, many lists for many, many years (1990's). Sometimes I unsubscribe and then find myself resubscribing down the road. You can gain a lot of insight in to how the list owner does email marketing and some great swipe file material, sometimes.

    If the list owner provides great information, then I stay on the list. If the list owner does nothing but bombard me with offers, I tend to unsubscribe.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ben Holmes
      Originally Posted by RWBiggs View Post

      If the list owner provides great information, then I stay on the list. If the list owner does nothing but bombard me with offers, I tend to unsubscribe.
      I find that the fastest way to make me hit that 'unsubscribe' button is to force me to open the email. That, of course, is done by the dishonest title. Here's a few examples that made me instantly unsub:

      Receipt ID #33X47394JK993994V - Congratulations! I've been selected and PAID for you to be one of only 50 other people who...

      Confirmation #BTT-722J8C - If you have not seen this, then you need to go here right now ... Click Here (very important)

      Your Account [Admin@BenHolmesOnline.com] Is About To Be Deleted

      These are just a few examples I've collected... I'm sure someone on this forum will recognize those titles, since most of the lists I'm on are from other Warriors...

      A recent one that almost got unsubbed was "Where Should I Send Your Check?" - but it turned out that this was a perfectly accurate title... it was an affiliate offer for a $49 product, but the list owner would then turn around and send you a check fo $49. Honesty I don't mind...

      But anyone trying to force me to open emails with blatantly dishonest titles will be unsubbed so fast the autoresponder is still sending bytes...
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  • Profile picture of the author Franck Silvestre
    I'm on dozens of lists! However I don't use the same email address. I'm on some lists to get email subject & body swipes. I'm on a handful marketer's lists that really deliver value. I'm on my own list also!

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  • Profile picture of the author miklanderson2
    I'm currently on maybe 10 lists that I like and I feel the list owner is actually providing good content.

    I've signed up for a lot of mailing lists, but I rarely stay on them for more than a week or two at a time. I sign up to see what other marketers in my niches are doing as far as marketing goes, but most of time all I end up getting are a bunch of messages about the latest and greatest products without any attempt to build a relationship first.
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    • Profile picture of the author sr.20
      Originally Posted by quadagon View Post

      I'm probably on about 12 mailing lists; I like to see what people are doing. If people are operating a different sales method to what they are promoting then I'm not interested in their product.
      I agree its good when testing to see which headlines make you open the mail and the ones which dont

      Originally Posted by Ben Holmes View Post

      I'm on about 30-40 lists...

      I read several of them religiously...

      Others I read as the occasion requires, or as the titles demand.

      It's a fascinating way to learn what others do - for free... I occasionally pick up nuggets of pure gold this way.

      It only works for email series, of course... if someone changes their squeeze page, I never notice... if they develop a new traffic source, there's no way to see that.

      So it's not a perfect learning method... but it's better than most.
      Hi Ben definitely a great way to live feedback from what others are promoting

      Originally Posted by cborgrx View Post

      Ben is right on. I am on about a dozen lists and it is a great way to learn.
      Exactly this helps when wanting to create your own mail and funnels

      Originally Posted by Ben Holmes View Post

      And I really sorta fell into this... I've been on some lists for years... I began recognizing different methods... it took me a while, but now I can usually tell if an email is part of a series, or if it's an adswap or solo. I've been able to figure out which list owners are 'churn & burners', and which ones never sell a solo or adswap with anyone...

      More importantly, I learned a lot of tricks for keeping my emails out of spam filters... you can learn quite a bit if you spend some time browsing through a gmail spam box. (It's particularly fun when you spot well known list builders who got one of their emails stuck there!)

      But now, this is one of the tactics I teach. And it really makes sense when you think about it... what better place to learn what list owners are doing than to be on their lists? Oh sure, you can buy their WSO's, and keep an eye on their website (if they have one).

      By the way, that's another neat trick... when you spot a squeeze page, see if the base URL goes to a blog, or type 'blog' after the base URL... not all list builders use a blog - but the ones who do - you can sometimes read quite interesting details about their list building efforts & methods.

      Nothing's a secret here... it's all out in the open if you'll look for it.
      Great post Ben, you hit the nail on the head

      Originally Posted by quadagon View Post

      Joining lists can be a great way to create a swipe file regardless of whether you buy or not. It also fun to sit there are go oh look he's doing a jeff walker launch.

      In magic a lot of people start performing tricks using the script they've seen the latest tv star using, they don't make the trick their own and never really own the effect. They do the right thing and say the right thing at the right time but the magics not there.

      All the best

      Eric
      Thanks for your feedback Eric

      Originally Posted by jfalxr View Post

      I'm on around 15-20 list.. Been around on buyers list for about 40-50% of them.. And as Ben said, it's a great way to learn email marketing from these people for free..

      Just a few of them I opened and read regularly. Depends on the headlines being used.. So yes, it's a great way to have additional headlines ideas for me..
      The only way to learn is to get out there and take massive action

      Originally Posted by fieldsread View Post

      Mailing list are great to see how others are marketing. Is the information that you are selling helpful to the freebie seeker? I've purchased from some of these list but, it is true that I am on more that I have purchased from.
      When we first want to learn anything we want to learn as much as possible . I always recommend to focus on the basics get results and teach others

      Originally Posted by tones View Post

      I'm in the same boat as most of you are. I am on about 15 list.

      Part of it is for ideas of my follow up messages I send to my list and see how people go about sending there messages.

      Most have different routines of the amount of times they send there emails per day or per week. Be yourself though when sending messages to your list don't imitate someone else.
      I agree, blaze your own path and be original

      Originally Posted by anwar001 View Post

      Not only is being on somebody's list good place to get ideas for headlines, content but also what offers to promote in that niche.
      Very true, if its not broke dont fix it ( aka dont reinvent the wheel )

      Originally Posted by RWBiggs View Post

      I agree with most everyone on this thread. I'm on many, many lists for many, many years (1990's). Sometimes I unsubscribe and then find myself resubscribing down the road. You can gain a lot of insight in to how the list owner does email marketing and some great swipe file material, sometimes.

      If the list owner provides great information, then I stay on the list. If the list owner does nothing but bombard me with offers, I tend to unsubscribe.
      Thanks for your feedback a true email veteran

      Originally Posted by Ben Holmes View Post

      I find that the fastest way to make me hit that 'unsubscribe' button is to force me to open the email. That, of course, is done by the dishonest title. Here's a few examples that made me instantly unsub:

      Receipt ID #33X47394JK993994V - Congratulations! I've been selected and PAID for you to be one of only 50 other people who...

      Confirmation #BTT-722J8C - If you have not seen this, then you need to go here right now ... Click Here (very important)

      Your Account [Admin@BenHolmesOnline.com] Is About To Be Deleted

      These are just a few examples I've collected... I'm sure someone on this forum will recognize those titles, since most of the lists I'm on are from other Warriors...

      A recent one that almost got unsubbed was "Where Should I Send Your Check?" - but it turned out that this was a perfectly accurate title... it was an affiliate offer for a $49 product, but the list owner would then turn around and send you a check fo $49. Honesty I don't mind...

      But anyone trying to force me to open emails with blatantly dishonest titles will be unsubbed so fast the autoresponder is still sending bytes...


      Originally Posted by jonrhodesuk View Post

      Yep, that's why you should NEVER abuse your list with dishonest methods - you lose trust, and subscribers.
      True

      Originally Posted by Franck Silvestre View Post

      I'm on dozens of lists! However I don't use the same email address. I'm on some lists to get email subject & body swipes. I'm on a handful marketer's lists that really deliver value. I'm on my own list also!

      Franck
      Safe guard the main email from being bombarded

      Originally Posted by miklanderson2 View Post

      I'm currently on maybe 10 lists that I like and I feel the list owner is actually providing good content.

      I've signed up for a lot of mailing lists, but I rarely stay on them for more than a week or two at a time. I sign up to see what other marketers in my niches are doing as far as marketing goes, but most of time all I end up getting are a bunch of messages about the latest and greatest products without any attempt to build a relationship first.
      relationships are key

      Originally Posted by Javisito View Post

      I nam on a lot of mailing lists just to see how other marketers are working their lists.
      Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author Developer99
    Some great tips here eg the url base and then blog after it.
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    • Profile picture of the author sr.20
      Originally Posted by Developer99 View Post

      Some great tips here eg the url base and then blog after it.
      Im glad you got some value, i look forward to connecting soon with you
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  • Profile picture of the author wbee
    Yeah, I'm on so many lists I can't even keep count anymore lol.... And I'm really disappointed in some of these so-called "Gurus" who only send me sales emails. A lot of them are just riding off their past reputations coz they got in the game early and people now hang on their every word. But in reality all they know are outdated tactics that used to work maybe back in 2008 or earlier.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by wbee View Post

      in reality all they know are outdated tactics that used to work maybe back in 2008 or earlier.
      This.

      (I'm not even convinced many of them really used to work in 2008 or earlier).

      The reality is that it's sometimes easier for these people to make something by selling "advice" to newbie marketers (of whom there's always an enormous turnover) than it is for them to earn anything by actually putting into practice, themselves, what they "teach": http://www.warriorforum.com/email-ma...ml#post8661178

      .
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        Originally Posted by Ben Holmes View Post

        I find that the fastest way to make me hit that 'unsubscribe' button is to force me to open the email. That, of course, is done by the dishonest title. Here's a few examples that made me instantly unsub:

        Receipt ID #33X47394JK993994V - Congratulations! I've been selected and PAID for you to be one of only 50 other people who...

        Confirmation #BTT-722J8C - If you have not seen this, then you need to go here right now ... Click Here (very important)

        Your Account [Admin@BenHolmesOnline.com] Is About To Be Deleted

        These are just a few examples I've collected... I'm sure someone on this forum will recognize those titles, since most of the lists I'm on are from other Warriors...

        A recent one that almost got unsubbed was "Where Should I Send Your Check?" - but it turned out that this was a perfectly accurate title... it was an affiliate offer for a $49 product, but the list owner would then turn around and send you a check fo $49. Honesty I don't mind...

        But anyone trying to force me to open emails with blatantly dishonest titles will be unsubbed so fast the autoresponder is still sending bytes...
        Another one that gets my goat, and immediately blows any trust built up, is the "gift" with strings attached.

        Just recently, I got one of those. It said that Marketer X wanted to thank me for watching their pre-launch content and staying with them. Next, under the subject "Here's your gift" is the tip - in order to get this "gift", you had to sign up for a trial of X's membership site. To top it off, I got a series of "I can't believe you didn't do this" emails.

        The ironic part is that the offer was good enough that I likely would have taken it had it been presented honestly.
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  • Profile picture of the author fated82
    I am on a dozen list myself and yes, you can learn alot from the list owners. Most list owners don't email as much, but still, I can learn quite a fair bit from them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Matthew Trujillo
    Try and be different from the competition. Sure many others are on different lists chances are they are all getting pitched too, but you wanna be different. Try and be somebody that offers value instead of asking people to give you their money. The more value the subscriber sees from what you have to offer the more likely they will trust you and be willing to spend money on what you have to sell. Try and put yourself in the customers shoes.
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