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Is is profitable? Is it morally ethical?

Say you're making tons of money from adult content and people get curious about where you're income are coming from. How would you explain that to your significant others or your family member?
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  • Profile picture of the author dana67
    Explain that you are an Internet Marketer and you are making money online. It's up to you if you share the details.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Pagulayan
    Ethical? Depends on you.

    Morals? No.

    Profitable? Yes.

    You'd be surprised to find a LOT of people in this business.
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  • Profile picture of the author kk075
    I personally worked in the industry for a short time as a copywriter and I saw the massive profits that were available, and naturally I had some ideas of my own that could make a lot of money. For me though, it wasn't worth the profits to be associated with that kind of thing, so I kindly thanked my employer for the opportunity and I haven't looked back.

    Honestly, I used to think of it as my "guilty pleasure" assignments because it was a whole lot of fun to write...but it was the first job I ever had that I wouldn't want my kids to know about. So for that reason, I avoid the adult industry entirely; there are plenty of other ways to make solid money.
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    • Profile picture of the author Knightsofusa
      Originally Posted by kk075 View Post

      I personally worked in the industry for a short time as a copywriter and I saw the massive profits that were available, and naturally I had some ideas of my own that could make a lot of money. For me though, it wasn't worth the profits to be associated with that kind of thing, so I kindly thanked my employer for the opportunity and I haven't looked back.

      Honestly, I used to think of it as my "guilty pleasure" assignments because it was a whole lot of fun to write...but it was the first job I ever had that I wouldn't want my kids to know about. So for that reason, I avoid the adult industry entirely; there are plenty of other ways to make solid money.
      Did you help co-wrote 50 Shades of Grey trilogy?
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      • Profile picture of the author kk075
        Originally Posted by Knightsofusa View Post

        Did you help co-wrote 50 Shades of Grey trilogy?
        Nope, although I admire what the author did. She wrote porn for the masses and the world embraced it like nothing they ever have before from that genre....and she made a whole lot of money in the process.
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        • Profile picture of the author Knightsofusa
          Originally Posted by kk075 View Post

          Nope, although I admire what the author did. She wrote porn for the masses and the world embraced it like nothing they ever have before from that genre....and she made a whole lot of money in the process.
          LOL... maybe you can wrote a novel similar to that kind of genre
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          • Profile picture of the author kk075
            Originally Posted by Knightsofusa View Post

            LOL... maybe you can wrote a novel similar to that kind of genre
            That's just not for me. I've had a few solid offers but I quickly turn them down, there's more to life than just money.
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  • Profile picture of the author quinng123
    adult is one of the most profitable market to be in online

    I think people are more flexible depending on the thing that you are selling. If you are just doing adult dating, people are going to care less then selling an item that is extremely obscure and considered socially deviant.
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    • Profile picture of the author Knightsofusa
      Originally Posted by quinng123 View Post

      adult is one of the most profitable market to be in online

      I think people are more flexible depending on the thing that you are selling. If you are just doing adult dating, people are going to care less then selling an item that is extremely obscure and considered socially deviant.
      I think the competition is stiff though
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      • Profile picture of the author heavysm
        Originally Posted by Knightsofusa View Post

        I think the competition is stiff though
        Let the sexual innuendos begin

        There is an entire spectrum to adult content which many people don't realize. Some people aren't nearly as morally opposed to things such as certain toys or physical objects but may find that certain genres of film to be quite unacceptable. Other's might think completely the opposite, which is equally as interesting.

        I just know that any products aiding or enhancing male and female potency/sensitivity (respectively) sell like hot cakes. The demand is unbelievable, and it's a desperate buyers market, so for many marketers it's a perfect market.

        Let's take note, though, once again that competition here, as with any other evergreen and hugely in-demand market, just makes everything sweeter for those savvy marketers who know that stiff competition just means plenty of hungry buyers.
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    • Originally Posted by quinng123 View Post

      adult is one of the most profitable market to be in online
      There is FAR more money in mainstream. Its exponentially greater, porn doesn't even come close to what mainstream offers. If you think you are making good money in porn, use those skills in mainstream and really make some cash.
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      • Profile picture of the author kk075
        Originally Posted by We Sell Sunglasses View Post

        There is FAR more money in mainstream. Its exponentially greater, porn doesn't even come close to what mainstream offers. If you think you are making good money in porn, use those skills in mainstream and really make some cash.
        That's completely false...the money is definitely better in the adult niche. Way better. But you're trading a sliver of your soul for making that cash and most people do not want to go that route.
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        • Originally Posted by kk075 View Post

          That's completely false...the money is definitely better in the adult niche. Way better. But you're trading a sliver of your soul for making that cash and most people do not want to go that route.
          We can agree to disagree even though you are wrong.
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          • Profile picture of the author kk075
            Originally Posted by We Sell Sunglasses View Post

            We can agree to disagree even though you are wrong.
            LOL, I guess I'm in the mood to tell a story.

            About a year and a half ago, I was pitched to work with a very popular adult dating product in their customer retention department. I was told, "We're not selling sex...we are teaching attraction and seduction...and our content is really changing people's lives. Let me fly you out to our headquarters for a long weekend and show you what we do...bring your wife and make it a mini-vacation."

            Honestly, I would have said no under normal circumstances, but I had just finished up a long project and a free vacation sounded kind of nice. So I asked my wife and she said yes, so off we went to goof off for three days.

            Well, the person that I met with was intimidating to say the least; big warm smile, a $4,500 suit and a penthouse office that screamed success. That first night he took us for drinks, food and to a local comedy club in a stretch limo, and everywhere we went it was VIP treatment. Now, I got off the airplane in jeans and a T-shirt because that's how I roll...so this was a very awkward situation. I was honestly surprised that he didn't cancel our suite and leave me at the airport.

            The next day though, he arranged for my wife to get a spa treatment as we grabbed brunch in a country club and got down to business. And to my surprise, he pulls up his analytics and financial accounts right off the bat...and showed me what ridiculous money looked like. They had product launches that cleared 8 figures in the FIRST WEEKEND and they were rolling out new products every 6-8 weeks, plus they had another seven figures in residual monthly income from continuing programs. And again, this wasn't porn...this was simply dating tips.

            To make a long story short, I was offered 10k for a two week probationary period to help them boost their customer retention rates, which would comprise of strengthening their autoresponders to current customers. I politely said that I'd speak to my wife and think about it that afternoon, and without even hesitating he bumped it to $15k. I said yes.

            Now, you have to realize that while I'm pretty good with email marketing, this was completely outside my wheelhouse. So I spent the rest of the weekend combing through this company's website and soaking up everything like a sponge...trying to become a pickup artist (in jeans and a t-shirt) within the next 48 hours. And my wife couldn't stop laughing at me but then again, the stuff I read/watched was fascinating...these dating experts could be CEO's at Fortune 500 companies with their insights in perception.

            In total I wrote 24 long-form emails over those next few weeks, and those emails produced just under $700k in additional revenue. I absolutely loved the subject as well and I kept telling my wife, "If you're not nicer to me, I'm going to go to Applebees and pick up some hawties. I have skills!" She still laughs at me over that.

            I ended up working with this company for two months total and my conversions did go way down...which I later learned was due to the initial conversions getting so many opt-ins. And honestly, I might still be working for them if I didn't run to the fridge for a drink one night and then return to my office to see my daughter reading what I had just written. Now, it was nothing dirty or anything but it still made me sick to my stomach, and I walked away from that industry entirely about a week later.

            Anyway, I told you all of that to tell you this- with the right dating products and the right affiliate network, $10-20M a year is not an insane goal in that industry. And while I know that there are lots of awesome opportunities out there, I've never seen one come even close to the dating niche. Maybe the cash isn't there down on the affiliate levels but man...it is an insane industry.
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            • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
              Originally Posted by kk075 View Post

              They had product launches that cleared 8 figures in the FIRST WEEKEND

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              this was simply dating tips.
              BS

              Your description of this dating info product operation aligns with similar claims made by Eban Pagan cult members. He did have dating advice info products using the name David Deangelo and they were probably successful for him, but the really wild claims of past success seem to have originated from his affiliates after he shifted into the "make money online" niche.
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              • Profile picture of the author kk075
                Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot View Post

                BS

                Your description of this dating info product operation aligns with similar claims made by Eban Pagan cult members. He did have dating advice info products using the name David Deangelo and they were probably successful for him, but the really wild claims of past success seem to have originated from his affiliates after he shifted into the "make money online" niche.
                It wasn't the DeAngelo product line, but I signed a confidentiality agreement so I can't say any more than that. You don't have to believe me though, that's perfectly fine, I was just sharing an experience that you can do whatever you want with.
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                • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
                  Originally Posted by kk075 View Post

                  It wasn't the DeAngelo product line, but I signed a confidentiality agreement so I can't say any more than that. You don't have to believe me though, that's perfectly fine, I was just sharing an experience that you can do whatever you want with.
                  lol Sure

                  Stop and think about your outrageous claims before you post them next time. Eight figures in the first couple days for dating advice, and they do it multiple times per year?... Through an email list no less!

                  Let's look at some mainstream first week sales figures....

                  Hillary Clinton: 100,000 copies @ $15 = $1,500,000
                  Hillary Clinton book sales:

                  Zoe Sugg (9m YT subscribers): 78,000 @ $9.99 = $780,000
                  http://www.buzzfeed.com/richardhjame...r-first-week-s

                  Amy Poehler: 37,000 copies @ $12.59 = $465,000
                  ​Lena Dunham and Amy Poehler Are Almost Tied in Book Sales


                  Pretty unbelievable that someone is doing at least $10,000,000 in two day sales for dating advice through an email list.
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                  • Profile picture of the author J Bold
                    Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot View Post

                    lol Sure

                    Stop and think about your outrageous claims before you post them next time. Eight figures in the first couple days for dating advice, and they do it multiple times per year?... Through an email list no less!

                    Let's look at some mainstream first week sales figures....

                    Hillary Clinton: 100,000 copies @ $15 = $1,500,000
                    Hillary Clinton book sales:

                    Zoe Sugg (9m YT subscribers): 78,000 @ $9.99 = $780,000
                    http://www.buzzfeed.com/richardhjame...r-first-week-s

                    Amy Poehler: 37,000 copies @ $12.59 = $465,000
                    ​Lena Dunham and Amy Poehler Are Almost Tied in Book Sales


                    Pretty unbelievable that someone is doing at least $10,000,000 in two day sales for dating advice through an email list.

                    The story might be BS, who knows?

                    But he didn't say those large figures came from an email list, he said

                    "To make a long story short, I was offered 10k for a two week probationary period to help them boost their customer retention rates, which would comprise of strengthening their autoresponders to current customers."

                    Read it again. He then went on to say his little contribution led to just under $700K in additional revenue. So the figure you need to doubt, with regards to making money off their list, is $700K.

                    Nowhere does he say that the 8 figure product launch came from an email list. Read again.
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                    • Profile picture of the author kk075
                      Originally Posted by J Bold View Post

                      The story might be BS, who knows?

                      But he didn't say those large figures came from an email list, he said

                      "To make a long story short, I was offered 10k for a two week probationary period to help them boost their customer retention rates, which would comprise of strengthening their autoresponders to current customers."

                      Read it again. He then went on to say his little contribution led to just under $700K in additional revenue. So the figure you need to doubt, with regards to making money off their list, is $700K.

                      Nowhere does he say that the 8 figure product launch came from an email list. Read again.
                      Almost all of this company's sales came from email lists, but they were also extremely professional in working and qualifying their lists as well. I didn't have a thing to do with product launches though; I simply quoted the figures that I saw.

                      You're right though; the initial 700k was because while these people were still within the main funnel, they weren't being targeted nearly as well as they could be. My email chains spoke directly to them, understood their specific objectives, and it converted extremely well. What the other person doesn't realize is that my copy was only a small portion of that overall success...it was the company's IQ in knowing their customers that ultimately made this successful.

                      As for what Clinton or some of the others did on their book sales...exactly how will reading about Hillary change my life? I understand that you know next to nothing about internet marketing so I'm not going to flame you here, but you need to educate yourself on how many billionaires there are in the world from Internet Marketing. What you read on this forum is a very small percentage of the ways to make money online.
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                      • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
                        Originally Posted by kk075 View Post

                        As for what Clinton or some of the others did on their book sales...exactly how will reading about Hillary change my life?
                        I posted that to help illustrate how ridiculous an 8 figure two day gross claim for dating advice seems.

                        I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for a moment and give you the opportunity to name one of their competitors. If one company is doing $10,000,000+ in two days for dating advice, then someone else is doing similar numbers. Nobody stands alone at the top of a mountain. If you signed an NDA, then name one of their competitors.
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        • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
          Originally Posted by kk075 View Post

          the money is definitely better in the adult niche. Way better.
          The accuracy of this statement is relative to the individual reader.

          Just because a big industry has a low bar of entry doesn't mean that the money is accessible to all. I imagine that most people reading this thread are more interested in affiliate promotion than anything. That's something that has taken a serious blow over the past several years as major shifts occur that have squeezed out much of the lower end profit potential.

          Ten years ago it was a financially diverse industry. Now after the mergers and acquisitions the profit potential is concentrated towards the upper levels. These companies have changed things so that traffic flows in a way in which tons of affiliates who were making a decent income ten years ago now have to work a lot harder to make a lot less money. In fact, most have quit.
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  • Profile picture of the author rodonet
    Originally Posted by Knightsofusa View Post

    How would you explain that to your significant others or your family member?
    Simple solution: Stay single. Buy or rent your own living quarters. Then you'll have no "significant other" or family member to explain to.
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    • Profile picture of the author Knightsofusa
      Originally Posted by rodonet View Post

      Simple solution: Stay single. Buy or rent your own living quarters. Then you'll have no "significant other" or family member to explain to.
      so no relationship if I go in this route?
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  • Profile picture of the author Vendzilla
    I started in Adult and have 13 years in it, I started doing mainstream about 4 years ago. There is a huge amount of money to be made in Adult, but you have to work a lot harder for it than say 5 year ago because of all the free stuff out there. Webcams are big for money, the guy that owns LiveJasmin.com is the wealthiest man in Hungary, even more than the banker that handles his money.

    As far as morals, I tell people that I worked for Playboy and they have all sorts of questions, only person to give me grief about it was my aunt and one GF
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    Originally Posted by Knightsofusa View Post

    Is is profitable? Is it morally ethical?

    Say you're making tons of money from adult content and people get curious about where you're income are coming from. How would you explain that to your significant others or your family member?
    Spouse/Family: "Randall, I didn't know you had a business that was making money. What do you sell?"

    Randall: "Porn."
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  • Profile picture of the author Ron Killian
    I can tell you FROM experience, adult is not the huge money maker some people seem to think and preach. Yes, there is a ton of money to made, but mainly by the affiliate programs and content producers.

    The little guy working form home thinking he is going to build some sites and cash is, will be in for a very rude awakening. Not saying it is not possible, just highly unlikely.

    I did it for almost my first 10 years online. In the beginning is was awesome. Every site I built made money. Submitted to AVS sites and it was money in the bank. Conversions where insane. Was normal for me to get under 1:50 for trials that paid $25 or more. Remember one affiliate program was fedexing my checks because they were big enough.

    But as the years went on.... huge competition, increased affiliate program scam and eroding conversion rates. In the end I was lucky to get a sale with 1:500 visitors.

    Get so tired of people saying there is so much money to be made in adult, for 98% of those that try, they are going work their butts off of peanuts. I know, I was there and I sold everything off while it was still worth something. Not much at that.

    Not long ago. I re-visited an adult forum that was one of the most popular, it is now a ghost town.

    The biggest downfall of the adult market was the tube sites. It is a market that gives away too much free content. With tube sites, why should surfers have to pay when they can get it for free?

    Been there, done that.

    Since switching to mainstream/no adult, I've made 10X more with less work. As We Sell said, there is SO much more to be made in mainstream. Plus you have more traffic sources, linkbacks and more social media opportunity.

    I know some one is going to come along and say they are making tons of money in adult. They are either full of it, or they are the rare exception.

    Of course just my opinions
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    • Originally Posted by Ron Killian View Post

      I did it for almost my first 10 years online. In the beginning is was awesome. Every site I built made money. Submitted to AVS sites and it was money in the bank. Conversions where insane. Was normal for me to get under 1:50 for trials that paid $25 or more. Remember one affiliate program was fedexing my checks because they were big enough.
      Those were the days.
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  • Profile picture of the author TeKn1qu3z
    Adult or anything is ok, but in few countries it is banned. My PC is used by family, so never tried adult content, but knew we can make a lot of money.
    If you are ok with you and your family then use it else leave it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Slade556
    Adult niches are probably among the most profitable niches that exist. And, adult is actually different than just porn, adult content is like an umbrella term, if you can look at it that way.
    As for being ashamed to tell people, this is really up to you. Personally, I see nothing wrong with it, but hey, everyone's different.
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  • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
    It's a very hard business with extremely stiff competition but there is loads and loads of money to be made if you can stomach it.
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  • Profile picture of the author DieselFit
    If you're looking for permission kind of thing, you're going to get a mix of answers. It is profitable, but do you see yourself looking back at this decision without feeling embarrassed about it? If you're going to take the leap into this niche, then take the leap without looking back. Otherwise you might feel regretful at some point.
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    • Profile picture of the author Knightsofusa
      Originally Posted by DieselFit View Post

      If you're looking for permission kind of thing, you're going to get a mix of answers. It is profitable, but do you see yourself looking back at this decision without feeling embarrassed about it? If you're going to take the leap into this niche, then take the leap without looking back. Otherwise you might feel regretful at some point.

      No need to feel regretful if you're making money! I feel regretful for all the money I've wasted and not saved up. I'm going to give this one a shot but don't really know where to start out from square one.
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  • Originally Posted by Knightsofusa View Post

    Is is profitable? Is it morally ethical?

    Say you're making tons of money from adult content and people get curious about where you're income are coming from. How would you explain that to your significant others or your family member?
    I personally hate this kinds of business. Though it is a way of handsome amount earning. But I do not approve of this.
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  • Profile picture of the author Leadsupply
    Yes it is profitable. But if you talk about moral, I must say you should leave it. If you want to make money with adult content then you can read this article.
    How to Make Money Selling Adult Content - Ashly Lorenzana
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  • Profile picture of the author Ron Killian
    Am I the only one that is thinking this thread has run off into the ditch
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  • Profile picture of the author slammer81
    Has become a bit of a cock up this thread. Let's get back into it like busy beavers.

    @KK075 I liked your story. Sounds like a real adventure was had.
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