Advice needed - I don't like that!

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Hi,
I was looking for a product here to lunch a new WSO and ecoure here.
I really bought a product thinking that it will help me.
The warrior said there are videos. But in the download page, there are only audios.
I asked for a refund but don't receive anything. 7 days since.
The warrior did not do anything to correct this (error? lie?)
The money is not big for me. I just ask for ethic and respect. I am very desapointed with my project.
Where can I report this incident?
Thanks.
#advice #error` #lie #needed
  • Profile picture of the author agmccall
    try posting in the internet product review section. If it was advertised here on the forum then you might try the help desk link at the top of the page. If it was a private deal then you are on your own.

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    • Profile picture of the author 3osmano
      I am all unlike what you said
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        put a big red note on the top written by a mod saying the thread was closed but keep the offer text in tact.
        Didn't that used to be the practice when offers were closed due to seller misconduct? I seem to remember seeing some WSO's with red comments by mods a while back.
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  • Profile picture of the author Spree Ads
    Banned
    it's common here on warriorforum.

    more and more people are selling rehashed materials.
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  • Profile picture of the author marketingforlife
    How did you pay? Try opening a dispute with the merchant that processed the payment if the seller won't refund your money.
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    • Profile picture of the author RockStar87
      Unfortunately there are sellers who don't practice right ethics, if you contact the seller already try to contact again and tell your concerns, you can also open a dispute on the seller.
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  • Profile picture of the author sujit1717
    Try opening a dispute on Paypal. They will give you back your money.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
    On the WSO page you should see a little red triangle. Click this symbol to report the problem.

    If you bought through JVZoo or W+, report it through their system.

    And yes, you can open the Paypal dispute because it is not as described.

    Thankfully I don't hear other stories like this, where the very media of the product is misrepresented.
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  • Profile picture of the author discrat
    Originally Posted by pierrebenoit View Post

    Hi,
    I was looking for a product here to lunch a new WSO and ecoure here.
    I really bought a product thinking that it will help me.
    The warrior said there are videos. But in the download page, there are only audios.
    I asked for a refund but don't receive anything. 7 days since.
    The warrior did not do anything to correct this (error? lie?)
    The money is not big for me. I just ask for ethic and respect. I am very desapointed with my project.
    Where can I report this incident?
    Thanks.


    I'm trying to understand...you bought a WSO so as to use to help you develop your own WSO ?

    Im wondering with a lot of redundancy I see in WSOs if this is an ongong theme ? i.e people just using other WSOs to develop their own ??


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  • Profile picture of the author joseph7384
    Holy crap, you have been duped. I found the WSO in question and it is an exact copy & paste of a Sean Mize WSO.

    It really baffles my mind how mods have dropped the ball on this one , this wso should have never have been approved.

    WSO that you have purchased.
    http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...ours-less.html

    WSO by Sean Mize.
    http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...deo-proof.html
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    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      Originally Posted by joseph7384 View Post

      Holy crap, you have been duped. I found the WSO in question and it is an exact copy & paste of a Sean Mize WSO.
      LOL, Maybe it is a different method.

      I simply write (ahem, copy) a WSO Sales Letter, Create a WSO - and Upload it - all in less than 2 hours.
      OP could have easily said his method can be done in under an hour. lol
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    • Profile picture of the author salegurus
      Originally Posted by joseph7384 View Post

      Holy crap, you have been duped. I found the WSO in question and it is an exact copy & paste of a Sean Mize WSO.

      It really baffles my mind how mods have dropped the ball on this one , this wso should have never have been approved.

      WSO that you have purchased.
      http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...ours-less.html

      WSO by Sean Mize.
      http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...deo-proof.html
      That is simply shocking, there wasn't that much supervision under the previous administration but to allow blatant copy and paste WSO's is just unbelievable.... I mean the WSO section was always a rat's nest but WOW!!!

      It's clear that a lot of the products in there were simply rehashed, reworded, reworked copies of previous works but this is the first copy/paste iv'e seen...

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      • Profile picture of the author Tom Addams
        Originally Posted by salegurus View Post

        That is simply shocking, there wasn't that much supervision under the previous administration but to allow blatant copy and paste WSO's is just unbelievable.... I mean the WSO section was always a rat's nest but WOW!!!

        It's clear that a lot of the products in there were simply rehashed, reworded, reworked copies of previous works but this is the first copy/paste iv'e seen...

        .....
        Shocking is right.

        This is my take on the WSO section. It represents a significant cash cow for Freelancer, where the aim of the game appears to be accepting the majority of submissions, encouraging ongoing payments, and therefore capitalizing on the current level of demand for the service.

        But here's the thing. The above model hinges on the "current level of demand for the service." If the service is allowed to be misused and diluted with poor quality, demand will then decline and as it does so, not only will purchases decline, but the price consumers are willing to pay (invisible hand) will similarly decline. Basic economics.

        A clean-up and ongoing and concerted efforts to enhance demand, from both buyers and vendors, should be firmly on the agenda. And I speak from both sides of the coin. Speaking as a buyer of information, though, if the WSO section became a destination of exemplary products, I'd be a regular buyer. Daily, if need be. I won't bore anyone with the obvious and likely outcome of such measures. Suffice it to say, they'd be the opposite of my third paragraph.

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    • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
      Originally Posted by joseph7384 View Post

      Holy crap, you have been duped. I found the WSO in question and it is an exact copy & paste of a Sean Mize WSO.

      WSO that you have purchased.
      http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...ours-less.html

      WSO by Sean Mize.
      http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...deo-proof.html
      Amazing. I recently deleted my 2 WSO's because one of them was so good that instead of selling it as a WSO, i decided to give it away for free to my subscribers (to build value and leads), and also release it to the sites like kindle and smashwords for free. This is amazing. Which one made more money?
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
    What's even more shocking (or not) is that I reported it and they ignored it. They are ignoring a lot of help (reports) they have asked for. There's a slight chance they didn't get my report but if that's the case they are missing a bunch that I see as being ignored.

    It's getting tiresome to even care anymore.

    Mark

    Edit: Someone else posted a question in the thread about the copy and paste of Sean's stuff and it got deleted for one reason or another.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      They ignored reports - and have not banned the member - if you look at his profile you'll see he's been logged in even TODAY.

      The WSO section, in my view, appears to be largely UNREGULATED. My apologies to the few good sellers there - but I would advise new marketers to stay away from that section entirely until someone cleans it out.

      I don't know how some of the WSO's are getting approved recently. I've reported income claims and plagiarism - sometimes something is done, sometimes not. I stopped bothering. If mods don't "vet" WSOs...why should I do it?

      Someone else posted a question in the thread about the copy and paste of Sean's stuff and it got deleted for one reason or another.
      I saw that. I wondered if it was a mod trying to follow the rules of "don't try to damage a WSO" - without understanding that sometimes it's the WSO that is the problem.
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  • Profile picture of the author trevord92
    Sorry to hear you've had issues - Sean (along with quite a few other internet marketers) has occasionally released his products with PLR/resale/rebranding rights so it's not unheard of for them to be re-released.

    But you shouldn't have been promised a video if it's an audio product - that's something the reseller shouldn't have done.

    Looks like the thread has been deleted now.

    You should have the option to get a refund via the Warrior Plus system but if not then a PayPal dispute would be the next port of call.

    Launching a WSO isn't rocket science - create a product, create a sales page, sort out a payment processor (most people use JVZoo or Warrior Plus), put up a sales page somewhere (nowadays rarely on the Warrior Forum itself), attract affiliates (happens semi-automatically on those two platforms but it's best if you have your own list to kick start sales).

    It's a while since I created a product on launching a WSO but feel free to drop me a message and I'll dig out the access details for you free (it's in the depths of the War Room free but you're not a member there otherwise I'd say to use that route).
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Im wondering with a lot of redundancy I see in WSOs if this is an ongong theme ? i.e people just using other WSOs to develop their own
      I'd call more a new scheme rather 'theme'.

      A couple weeks ago there was a big sales page offering WSO help - from someone who NEVER ran a WSO (or at least not under that forum name) - it was priced at $79.

      The one questioned in this thread is especially interesting to me. If you look at the seller's activity you'll see everything centered around "WSOs"...

      The WSO may have been finally removed - but the offer is in Classified last I looked - and the same WSO SELLER has multiple JV offers to "run my WSO's" and claims to have launched 30 WSO's successfully.

      So I wonder how many WSO's under various members....are in fact WSOs from this one person....and how many are plagiarized?

      I've noticed a big increase in JV threads that are about "running my product WSOs" or "I'll run your WSO"....and there is a lack of transparency that is concerning. This kind of activity has been allowed and it will kill the golden goose.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tom Addams
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        So I wonder how many WSO's under various members....are in fact WSOs from this one person....and how many are plagiarized?
        Bold is really insufficient. Key point.

        Before I step quickly on and off my soapbox, I should say that, and given my post count it likely goes without saying, that I'm a fan of WF. As a serious internet marketer, it's hard not to be. We have here a place that offers so many appealing functions: a water-cooler around which we can get our IM geek on, a resource that can teach even the most ardent and long-time students, and a platform to educate the new blood and in so doing earn something for our time other than warm and fuzzy feelings associated with altruism - brand building for ourselves and our products and services. WF? Good, in my book. Perfect? Is anything? Someone could look at the criticism heaved on WF in this thread and overlook the real reason behind it. If we didn't care about WF, we simply wouldn't give a rat's behind enough to criticize..

        Soap box time. Point in bold? At a guess, I would say the problem Kay highlights is likely very far reaching, and has been for some time. Where money can be made, vast amounts we're talking, systems will be gamed. And gamed to death. Often quite literally to death. But talking about how to patch the holes is dangerous territory, since what you end up doing is not patching the holes, but instead giving others insight into them and giving the clever "others" insight into how they must now up their game. I'm sure WF could give a rat's behind what I think, and I wouldn't blame them - one member of one forum that I am. But. If I was fortunate enough to own such a valuable resource, I would jump on the problem - and with as much weight as my skinny rat's behind could muster.

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    • Profile picture of the author rhinocl
      A re-branded product has no business being sold as a WSO.What happened to the requirement that it be something you created?
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        I checked further - this isn't a one time mistake - it's the way this person has been operating here.

        Another WSO from 10 months ago (still getting posts now) is identical to a WSO from 2011. I reported it to mods - either it will be cleaned up or it won't.

        What surprised me was that though the one WSO featured by the thread was removed - apparently other offers by the same person were not examined.

        We have some good WSO sellers - and we have so many new members trying to find help and instruction to get started in IM. These bad, scammy sellers hurt everyone.
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        • Profile picture of the author professorrosado
          The suggestion has been made before - that of a ranking or classification system.
          Even a requirement that the WSO has to be reviewed by a veteran member.

          Quality control should be any business' priority. I can't see why Freelancer doesn't do something to return some trust to the WSO forum.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            I don't agree - what we need are clear and concise rules for WSO's - and moderators that check out the offers before approving them.

            People can - and should - make their own buying decisions. But members should be able to trust a WSO at least meets the rules FOR that section.
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            • Profile picture of the author Tom Addams
              Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

              I don't agree - what we need are clear and concise rules for WSO's - and moderators that check out the offers before approving them.
              The problem with this, Kay, is there is a world of difference between a forum moderator and an experienced internet marketer. A professional moderator is just that, and when it comes to reviewing IM material, they're at a decided disadvantage when compared to a professional internet marketer. What I believe Freelancer require here is both. A first level (moderator), who can essentially check that WSO rules have been followed, and a second level (reviewer), able to ascertain quality. In fact, the inherent problems of only utilizing professional moderators, as opposed to professional IMers, is wide-reaching. It extends beyond the WSO section to all of WF.

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              • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                Good points - and our volunteer mods in the past were experienced marketers. Probably right that moderation now is like tech support - you start at the lower end and have to work your way up to the geek at level III.

                If that sounds as if I am dissing mods - I'm not. I'm sure they are following instructions but I think oversight is somewhat lacking. There's no way someone who was CAUGHT and OUTED for plagiarizing WSOs should still be a member and still be selling here.

                It doesn't take a brain trust to use Copyscape Premium - it'll cost you a nickel and save your members from some cons. Turns out every offer by the seller featured in this thread has plagiarized copy on the WF sales pages - what do you think is in the 'products' being sold? Yet still an active member and though some offers were removed - others remain. This one just doesn't wash for me.

                Not my forum - so nothing to be done about it.
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          • Profile picture of the author salegurus
            Originally Posted by professorrosado View Post


            Quality control should be any business' priority. I can't see why Freelancer doesn't do something to return some trust to the WSO forum.
            Agreed but the WSO forum has been rotten to the core for a while now, even before FL...
            The excuse before was "well we provide the platform, we can't examine every single WSO, it's up to the buyer to do their own due diligence"

            Even those with a vested interest would blame the buyer before admitting that the WSO forum was infested with cheats,scammers and other low lifes...
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            • Profile picture of the author professorrosado
              But no solution is offered!
              We all know what the state is on the WSO forum - what are we going to do about it?

              I for one will do something about it - anyone who wants my opinion on a WSO before you buy it, send me a PM and I'll look at it for you, check it for all of the above and make sure that you are sure about what you want and need.

              I'll offer this solution until someone comes up with a reasonable resolution.
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              • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                But no solution is offered!
                I don't agree with that, either. It's not our job - as forum members - to set quality standards here. We don't own this forum.

                For some time, many of us have helped out by being "member moderators" - reporting potential problems so moderators could investigate and take what action was necessary.

                The problem currently is that moderators are not enforcing the rules here. Violations that would have resulted in a "ban" (according to the rules) are now slap on the wrist/keep selling.

                That said, in some areas I've seen immense improvement in the past few months...if only we could keep it going instead of the up and down level of "rule enforcement" we're seeing now.
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              • Profile picture of the author Tom Addams
                Originally Posted by professorrosado View Post

                But no solution is offered!
                We all know what the state is on the WSO forum - what are we going to do about it?

                I for one will do something about it - anyone who wants my opinion on a WSO before you buy it, send me a PM and I'll look at it for you, check it for all of the above and make sure that you are sure about what you want and need.

                I'll offer this solution until someone comes up with a reasonable resolution.
                I applaud your passion, but this is no solution, either. You must surely lack the time and - no matter how good your intentions - the motivation to give thorough reviews. Impartial reviews are required, delivered by the WF Team, and where no ulterior motives are present; not that I believe you yourself have ulterior motives. Essentially, though, you and I are both on the same page.

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  • Profile picture of the author Tom Addams
    Totally agree with your points, Kay.

    I'm also with you on not dissing the WF mods. To be completely frank (as opposed to Tom), I've had good and bad experiences with the local mods, but the Freelancer / WF support desk is pretty much second-to-none. Timely and professional, yet also understanding and friendly. In a nutshell: truly superb. What I think the moderation system needs (as a whole) is just an injection of IM knowledge and experience, which is not to take away from the current moderators. Having been around the block, and on both sides of forum communities in the past, I may never have moderated as such, but I do know my way around it and I know the task is arduous and almost always thankless. They operate behind the scenes and as such almost all of what they do is unseen and rarely appreciated. WF is a relatively clean forum and this is why you'll find me hanging out so much. The problem, not to be repetitive, is just that missing element of IM knowledge and experience. Mind boggling potential exists for WF. Staggering potential. And it is literally within relatively easy reach. A few missing components just need to be employed. In my opinion, at any rate.

    I best get back to work. Fun discussion though - and keeps drawing me back in like the Millennium Falcon into the tractor-beam!!

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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Kudos to mods - the person with this WSO (subject of this thread) is now banned and his "buy" links are removed from his various offers.

      As long as other members here will stop running this person's WSO's for him (according to him there were "50 WSOs") - that will go a long way toward a cleanup on aisle 6.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
    One issue, when deleting offending offers, is that then there is no "proof" the users got hurt. Sure there is a payment transaction but if it comes to a he says/she says dispute, the victim may lose out without proof. I've seen where people have pointed PayPal, for example, to a WSO and say see - all these other people got ripped off too or see the seller is not responding to any requests for help or refunds.

    A better approach may be to ban the user, delete payment links or any leaks (where someone could still purchase through a listed website), put a big red note on the top written by a mod saying the thread was closed but keep the offer text in tact.

    Just a thought.

    Mark
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  • Profile picture of the author DSpyk
    The quick cheap buck folks will always be around. I accept it as part of the learning process. Take the good away from it and move on if it becomes to much of a hassle.
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