All-In-One: All About Flipping Web Sites

15 years ago

Thanks Allen, This is a great feature of the WF. WarRoom caliber in the main forum.

OK, Flipping Websites.

Here is what I've done so far. The reason I like these ways is they don't depend on waiting for the sites to start turning a profit. Of course I sell them for less than the profitable sites but they are nice for quick sales.

1. Create a site with a domain name of an Info product and sell it to a seller of the product.

2. Create a product, a short report, ebook, forum, etc. and buy a matching URL and sell everything.

3. Create a membership site already loaded with MRR products and flip that.

4. Buy a domain name TheBestWhatEverInLosAngeles.com and sell that to that type of business. (example) I'm working on the top 100 cities by population with www.TheBestPizzaInAmerica.com TheBestPizzaInNewYork.com etc. These I'll "rent" not flip. Half have "The" in front and half start with "Best" for testing purposes for my next "BestOf" project. This was my first JV. A friend of mine put up the $$ for the 100+ names.

5. Buy a common name for a common business so you can't be accused of cyber squatting and sell it to one of the owners of the business by that name. i.e. (I'm not giving the actual one I did) DonsAutoRepair.com (lots of Dons who have auto shops)

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TrafficGuy Claude

15 years ago

I'm loving this idea admin.

Here's my contribution:

The whole game of website flipping has underwent some drastic changes over the past year or so. We've seen a lucrative opportunity in the start-up website flipping category become totally saturated as people found out how easy it was to create a pretty wordpress blog using the Revolution Church Theme and chock it full of plugins and unique content.

Gone are the days when you could get $200 for one of these types of websites. And with marketplaces like Flippa: The #1 Marketplace for Buying and Selling Web Sites charging higher fee's and the supply far outweighing the demand these types of websites are no longer a true viable means of making money in the website flipping industry.

So the main question is what do we do now?

Well in order to understand our future we must first look at where we came from as website flippers. In the past couple of years the economy was nearing bubble bursting point, money was being thrown around without second thought and you could make a killing selling starter blogs for anywhere from $150-$250 a pop. And starter info products where selling for $600-$2,000 or more.

Bear in mind, these sites had no traffic or sales whatsoever. But...

That was then, this is now!

Now, you can no longer sell websites for high prices on claims and promises alone. While there is still a market out there for these types of sites, its become very competitive across all the main internet website brokerage houses like Flippa, Digital Point, and eBay.com. Prices have shot way down as supply has overtaken demand. Economics 101 at its finest...

However, we live in a duality and there can never be bad without good. I'm going to let you in on the most awesome secret you'll ever hear about website flipping, but first I want to tell you this stark truth...

If its HARD to do, the DEMAND will be SKY HIGH!

What do I mean? Well think about it. It is quite easy for someone to quickly throw together a Wordpress blog with a few PLR articles and some fancy plugins. So people found out how easy it was and started doing it and saturated the market within a year or so, depending on who you ask.

However...

It is HARD for the average joe to make said website actually profitable!

But that is only one part of the equation. Right now the market is DEMANDING easy turnkey solutions that are proven earners which they can use in order to make some great money without much work.

Right now, on Flippa.com and the other website marketplaces there exists an opportunity for any Warrior with enough drive to make a literal killing within the next couple of years while the economy is still bad, and it won't stay bad for too much longer so you'll have to act fast!

You need to switch gears from flipping simple starter sites to flipping sites which are already profitable and that have traffic flowing in.

You need to build your sites to include proven virtual assets such as:

An eMail List
Autopilot Traffic
A Unique Product That Has Made Some Sales
A Forum Community With Active Members
A Blog With Active Commenters
90+ Days Of Proven Earnings And Growth

You can do this with Wordpress, Clickbank, and proper traffic generation knowledge.

In the future you'll see most of the money being made in website flipping shift from the quick and easy flip to the longer term flip where the site does have these assets.

Remember, the longer you can sit on a site and show growth and profitability the more money you'll make from your flip.

The demand for these types of sites is and always will be incredibly huge, because most of the time when someone has a site that is making money like this on autopilot, they don't usually sell it because its a real asset.

Also, not everyone can make a site profitable, it takes some work and persistence, but it can pay you back a lot!

Forget about the 5-10x monthly revenue ground rule for pricing your site. We're going to see the market shifting to more like 10X-20X monthly revenue as the economy is bad and the supply of proven earning websites dries up.

Why?

Because most webmasters who have something making money in today's economy WILL NOT SELL IT! The dollar is harder and harder to come by as people clinch their wallets tighter out of fear.

If you're a webmaster who is in the business of creating these profitable sites, then you have an incredible opportunity to profit!

Remember, while the world's economy is in the worst shape it has been since the Great Depression of the 1930s, there were also a lot of people who got rich then, this is just one of the many opportunities for you to get rich in today's economic climate.

So I know I promised you the most awesome secret that you'll ever here about website flipping, well here they are:

TrafficGuy Claude's Secrets To Modern Website Flipping Success, Even In Today's Economy:

Forget about the cheap fast $200 flips, they aren't viable anymore, the marketplace has changed adapt or die
Focus on incubating newer sites to profitability for at least 90 days or more before considering selling
Become a student of traffic generation. Traffic is the lifeblood of anything online, and if you know how to drive traffic you can pretty much write your own ticket when it comes to website flipping.
Forget about the easy and convenient. Successful people measure whether or not they are going to do something by this question: "Is it worth it?" not "Will it be easy and convenient?" Get out of that magic pill marketing mindset as quickly as possible, the magic pill doesn't exist.
Speaking of traffic generation try to look for ways to keep the traffic flowing in even if the active promotion stops. The best ways to do this will be organic on and off page search engine optimization as opposed to a Pay Per Click driven website.

Website flipping has passed its "easy cash" golden age, just like the internet as a whole did back in the early 2000s.

Back in the day it was very difficult and technical to setup a business online because the technology and the "know how" simply did not exist. The demand for online businesses were huge because there simply weren't that many of them.

The people who thought it was worth it surpassed the difficulty and made it happen and they made and still are making a lot of money even during this global economic meltdown, just like our very own Admin here at this forum.

I'm pretty sure he didn't consider how hard it would be to setup something like he has here today way back in the late 90s when it was first setup.

And even if he did feel those negative thoughts, he probably quickly replaced them with dreams of how much money he was going to make if he could simply TAKE ACTION and GET IT DONE!

But right now I'm also pretty sure he leads a very comfortable life. Do you see the trade off here folks?

Now in the present, its no longer 1997 and we have a plethora of free tools, technology, and how-to information and its really quite easy to setup a website flipping internet business.

The new opportunity in website flipping lies in becoming like our admin, and the other prominent marketers who had the foresight to see beyond the difficulty and pursue something that is absolutely worth it!

If you want to make the big bucks with website flipping, you need to get out there and start selling the websites which are in the most demand!

In a nutshell:

Do something TODAY in pursuit of your goal of becoming a successful site flipper!
Stay FOCUSED and work only one business at a time! Don't try to flip websites, create products, build Adsense income, and drive traffic to CPA offers with Adwords all at once.
Perfection is the ARCHENEMY of success! Don't wait until everything is "perfect" before you get started. Don't wait until you have "enough" time, money, or knowledge! Get going right now from where you stand and improve later. Lock, Load, Shoot, Aim!

I truly hope this post helps someone,

-Claude Clubbs

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LegitBlogger

15 years ago

I agree 100% with TrafficGuy Claude. Even though it's still
very possible to flip 10 page sites for $100+ and can lead
to quick cash, it's not the BEST approach anymore.

My approach is to do all the works for a niche, such as:

- do the relevant keyword research to find the right keywords
that get TONS of searches but have little competition

- prepare the articles that will target each of these
"high searched but low competing sites" keywords.

- build a high quality site with these high quality articles
that have been prepared

- prepare another set of articles for EzineArticles and the
other top article directories (can be repurposed from those
for the sites by changing certain paragraphs, words and
most importantly the keywords and headings)

- prepare a set of spin ready articles for submitting
unique versions to the hundreds of article directories
out there

- carry out the daily promotion by submitting the unqiue
articles to EzineArticles, the top 10 article directories.
And also submitting the unique versions of the spun articles
to the hundreds of other article directories... all this
while using the "high searched but low competing sites"
keywords in the resource boxes, linking back to the
particular pages on the sites.

... stick to this for 90 days and guess what happens?

The various article pages of the site with the
"high searched but low competing sites" keywords receive
not only daily tons of DIRECT traffic from the article
directories, especially EzineArticles and the other top
article directories BUT ALSO - wait for this - eventually
start ranking tops for not only the "high searched but low
competing sites" keywords but also lots of other keywords
that they are now targeting unintentionally.

After the 90 days the sites would have made hundreds
(and even thousands in adsense/affiliate income) and can
be "PREMIUM flipped" (a term I developed for this) to
companies that will pay $4,000 to $10,000 for them!

BY THE WAY, coincidentally, the above is what my company
currently does. Instead of flipping sites to fellow marketers
or webmasters, what my company does is flip to high
premium companies that will pay big money for the sites
(hence the name - Premium Flipping).

Our premium customers pay not just for the sites but for
the traffic they get from the sites. We are able to s
uccessfully sell (premium flip) each site we build for
upwards of $4,000 after FEW months...

... but only after we have carried out all the necessary
promotions for them.

So - yes, as TrafficGuy Claude has said above, this, I
think, is the future of flipping, which I now call -
PREMIUM FLIPPING!

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Lance K

15 years ago

Cool idea, Allen.

Whenever you sell a site, don't be afraid to ask for contact info from your buyers AND prospects so you can contact them the next time you sell a site.

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Steven Wagenheim

15 years ago

How the heck do you add anything to a thread that has had one of the best
answers you could possibly want to see?

Thank you Traffic Guy.

But...I'm going to throw a little monkey wrench into this that I want anybody
seriously thinking about doing this to consider.

Look at your financial situation and your immediate and long term needs.

If you are in a situation where you REALLY need the cash within say, 90 days,
then flipping sites is something to seriously consider.

However, think about this.

If you were in the situation I am in now, where you don't really need the
money right away, and you do everything Traffic Guy said to build this
site to be an actual money earner, think about how much you would make
in the long run...way above what you would have flipped it for.

If you do just one of these sites a month...and that's not asking a lot...
at the end of one year, you have 12 sites out there that should be
earning you at least $500 a month if you're a total hack at this. That's
$6,000 a month of autopilot income after you've got your site optimized
and content placed on the net.

How much would you have made total if you flipped those 12 sites?

Nowhere near this kind of income...and remember, this is every month
like clockwork.

So before your run off to dive into site flipping, look at your situation
and see if it's the right choice for you.

Right now, where I am, I'd rather build the site and hang onto it.

Especially if I can turn it into a REAL money maker.

Just something to think about before you run off half cocked.

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Christian York

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

How the heck do you add anything to a thread that has had one of the best
answers you could possibly want to see?

Thank you Traffic Guy.

But...I'm going to throw a little monkey wrench into this that I want anybody
seriously thinking about doing this to consider.

Look at your financial situation and your immediate and long term needs.

If you are in a situation where you REALLY need the cash within say, 90 days,
then flipping sites is something to seriously consider.

However, think about this.

If you were in the situation I am in now, where you don't really need the
money right away, and you do everything Traffic Guy said to build this
site to be an actual money earner, think about how much you would make
in the long run...way above what you would have flipped it for.

If you do just one of these sites a month...and that's not asking a lot...
at the end of one year, you have 12 sites out there that should be
earning you at least $500 a month if you're a total hack at this. That's
$6,000 a month of autopilot income after you've got your site optimized
and content placed on the net.

How much would you have made total if you flipped those 12 sites?

Nowhere near this kind of income...and remember, this is every month
like clockwork.

So before your run off to dive into site flipping, look at your situation
and see if it's the right choice for you.

Right now, where I am, I'd rather build the site and hang onto it.

Especially if I can turn it into a REAL money maker.

Just something to think about before you run off half cocked.

Great original post traffic guy and great follow up Steven.

Here is my take on it.

Create a site which earns you a monthly income on virtual autopilot. Work on it and build it up to rank well organically. You can then sell your own products, affiliate products, cpa offers or adsense.

Even if you are only earning a couple hundred dollars a month from it. Then wait a few months to have proof of long term earnings (in this time you can work on new sites.)

Once you site has been around for 5-6 months and earning consistent money you can then sell it for a quick 12X monthly revenue cash injection.

E.g. if my site has been earning $500 a month for 6 months. I could sell it for $6000.

I take this $6000 and I completely outsource the creation of 10 more sites like these. (E.G. sites that earn me $500 a month.)

The money i earnt from the sale of my original site will pay for creation, content, link building, graphics, product creation etc.

Wait a couple of months and earn residual income from these.

10 sites earning $500 a month = $5000 a money earnings on autopilot.

I could then sell these sites for $6000 each, resulting in a nice $60,000 chunk of cash.

I then use this money to create more and more and more sites.

This is more than a simple idea, it works. Time and again for me and my clients

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Scott Woodside

15 years ago

Yes, flipping can still be a viable way to earn income. But the days of purchasing and flipping in just a few months are way over.

You can find excellent coders, and designers on flippa.com and if you find the right one and like what they are selling, then have them do a custom niche site for you.

Make sure you get them to place all of the bells and whistles and automate portions of the site as well.

Then monetize the crap out of it and sit back and watch the search engines eat up the site.

But hey wait a minute? Like Steve says, why sell the site? It's making money. Sit on it for a year or two and see what happens.

creating realestate and then sitting on it until it becomes more valuable is the way to go. Ever seen one of those storage sites? Those are built in about a week and developers use the income from the storage units until the property is worth more, then sell the property and walk away with one hell of a profit.

I've been working with a genius who has put together one of many of my sites for me, and this one is the best. Can't tell you what the site is, because I don't want my name connected with it in the search engines. I put it on here once and the mods took it off and thank goodness they did or my name would have been connected with it and I really don't want that connection. Its a legal site and it rocks big time, and all the rest will be designed in the same way.

138 pages indexed in google in less than three weeks. Wow, wow, wow. I'm keeping the site for a few years and I'm going to watch it grow and grow and grow.

Good luck, but it you're trying to make a fast buck flipping a site, those days are over, unless of course you really have something that nobody has.

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TheRazor55

15 years ago

The thread is pretty complete already but let me try to get some more golden nuggets in to it...

In terms of traffic, when people think about it they think right away in Rankings, and traffic from the search engines is just 1 of the world of places you can extract it from...
If you're good at talking to people just network with them on the most popular social networking sites and funnel some of them back to your site, that will get you tons of loyal and interested people over there, with a giant plus that these people in most cases trust and like you, so that makes it tons easier for them to buy something from you (directly or as an affiliate)...

Now more tecnically talking about flipping:

Imporatnt things you need to look at:

- Niche: it should be a hot niche

- Graphics: Dont stick to a stock theme, change it, try to brand it within the niche

- Description: Pretty much like a sales page these days, you need to answer them to every question they might have in regards to your site, so make sure to give it a good though and then write all the answers down in a fluid fashion. Bold and (H1, H2) the most important factors and try to brake it down into different parts. Like Niche, Traffic, Revenue, bonus, etc...

- Listing Title: obviously here you just need to be all over their face, you need to be able to make them stop and go like wow I need to take a look at this. Then you get your chance to sell them.

- Revenue: If you can present them with some residual income they will LOVE it. So membership sites or products with affiliates actively promoting it its a great way to boost the value of your site.

Oh and where are the noobs making the questions that are holding them back from making the money?

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andybeveridge

15 years ago

Wow! this thread is loaded with info. Do you know I have been marketing online with some success for about a year now. By success I mean enough to quit the dreaded job. Always on the lookout for other areas to expand into. So this thread has come at exactly the right time.
I recently teamed up with a professional writer and looked into flipping sites. So this very afternoon we decided to put something together.
I fully recognise our lack of expertise in this department, and wonder if one of you guys could review the site and point us in the right direction.
the site is www.martialarts-clothing.com
We are thinking of holding onto the site and monetising it.

Andy Beveridge

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TiffanyLambert

15 years ago

You Can Flip Free Web 2.0 Sites, Too!

Okay so this is the poor man's way of getting into site flipping, but it's been very profitable for me and some fellow Warriors.

You can register free pages or accounts on sites like Squidoo, WetPaint, Weebly, Hub Pages and Google Knol and "flip" them. With Squidoo, you'll just need one account - because you can click "Transfer a lens" to send it to the buyer. But with the other sites, you'll either need the customer's username and password or you can create a free account and give the buyer those details once they make a purchase.

So here's what you have to remember when flipping web 2.0 sites:

1.) Abide by the rules of the site. - There's nothing worse than selling someone a bunch of lenses on Squidoo only to find out the new owner says they've been locked because the topic is on the Squid Don't list, or the Hub Page has too many links to the same domain.

2.) Appeal to their aesthetic side. Content is great, but first impressions matter. Take yourself over to istockphoto and get some $1 images for the niche and put them on the lens, Hub, Knol, etc. It makes the site pop instantly and it helps break up the content.

3.) Create sites with a readymade affiliate element built into them. My lenses that I've created with a specific ClickBank product or Amazon tangible item in mind have always sold immediately. People love anything turnkey, where all they have to do is swap their affiliate ID in for yours.

4.) Deliver enough content. For a lens, I write three, 250 word keyword-based articles. Same for a Hub or a Knol. For a WetPaint or Weebly, I make 3-5 pages within the mini "site."

5.) Be competitive. What can you deliver that other web 2,0 site flippers can't? With my lens building service, for example, I have a partner who does tons of behind-the-scenes viral and SEO elements. Some lens flippers add on articles they can update their lens with later. Whatever you can do above and beyond is going to help you succeed.

6.) Charge a good amount. Too cheap and it'll give the wrong impression. Too pricey and you'll price yourself right out of business. I sell custom lenses for $249, so a lens FLIP, where I choose the topic ahead of time and sell it to someone who's interested, goes for $125.

7.) Build a list of interested buyers. I have a specific list of about 700 people who are only interested in my web 2.0 flips. So I just create stuff and announce it whenever I have time. And if it doesn't sell? (Like my police exam lens didn't one time), I keep it for myself and make affiliate sales myself. Takes longer to make my $125 back, but it's worth keeping in the long run.

Tiff

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dsouravs

13 years ago

Originally Posted by TiffanyDow

You Can Flip Free Web 2.0 Sites, Too!

Okay so this is the poor man's way of getting into site flipping, but it's been very profitable for me and some fellow Warriors.

You can register free pages or accounts on sites like Squidoo, WetPaint, Weebly, Hub Pages and Google Knol and "flip" them. With Squidoo, you'll just need one account - because you can click "Transfer a lens" to send it to the buyer. But with the other sites, you'll either need the customer's username and password or you can create a free account and give the buyer those details once they make a purchase.

So here's what you have to remember when flipping web 2.0 sites:

1.) Abide by the rules of the site. - There's nothing worse than selling someone a bunch of lenses on Squidoo only to find out the new owner says they've been locked because the topic is on the Squid Don't list, or the Hub Page has too many links to the same domain.

2.) Appeal to their aesthetic side. Content is great, but first impressions matter. Take yourself over to istockphoto and get some $1 images for the niche and put them on the lens, Hub, Knol, etc. It makes the site pop instantly and it helps break up the content.

3.) Create sites with a readymade affiliate element built into them. My lenses that I've created with a specific ClickBank product or Amazon tangible item in mind have always sold immediately. People love anything turnkey, where all they have to do is swap their affiliate ID in for yours.

4.) Deliver enough content. For a lens, I write three, 250 word keyword-based articles. Same for a Hub or a Knol. For a WetPaint or Weebly, I make 3-5 pages within the mini "site."

5.) Be competitive. What can you deliver that other web 2,0 site flippers can't? With my lens building service, for example, I have a partner who does tons of behind-the-scenes viral and SEO elements. Some lens flippers add on articles they can update their lens with later. Whatever you can do above and beyond is going to help you succeed.

6.) Charge a good amount. Too cheap and it'll give the wrong impression. Too pricey and you'll price yourself right out of business. I sell custom lenses for $249, so a lens FLIP, where I choose the topic ahead of time and sell it to someone who's interested, goes for $125.

7.) Build a list of interested buyers. I have a specific list of about 700 people who are only interested in my web 2.0 flips. So I just create stuff and announce it whenever I have time. And if it doesn't sell? (Like my police exam lens didn't one time), I keep it for myself and make affiliate sales myself. Takes longer to make my $125 back, but it's worth keeping in the long run.

Tiff

Hello Tiffany,
Thanks for your wonderful tips.
I am totally a newbie in IM and have not met a single penny through it.
Well as you said, I tried to sell a PR2 wordpress.com blog on flippa. Buy in flippa they ask you a lot of questions like manage listing, verify listing etc etc.
I ask you because you said you sold squidoo pages, knols, weebly sites where we have no option to verify our site by uploading meta tags or files in our root folder.
How do you then verify those free hosted sites in flippa.

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Diana Lane

15 years ago

One of the things that must eat into many people's profits is thinking only of the sale, and not of what's going to happen after it. That might sound obvious, but I've lost count of the number of times I've seen people ask 'I've sold a site - how do I transfer it to the buyer?'. Find these things out before you start. They're well documented online, and it will give you confidence as well as eliminate time spent worrying about fielding e-mails from anxious buyers who are wondering what's going on while you're trying to learn the ropes.

Zip the site files up ready before you create the listing, and include a PDF giving details of the transfer procedure and how to edit affiliate codes, then you can send the lot off as soon as possible after payment. Even where you've said in the listing that you'll transfer the site and edit the codes yourself if necessary, many times the buyers will do these things themselves rather than part with FTP passwords etc if they find that you've provided the instructions. If not, at least you've given them the option. It's nice to find that you've one less job to do, but it's just as nice to get e-mails from buyers who are delighted because they've just done something they once thought beyond them.

Bear in mind that some buyers might never have encountered platforms such as WordPress before, and believe that if they fiddle with the configuration on the theme options page, the 'Reset' button at the bottom will restore their site to the way it was when they bought it, instead of restoring the theme's default settings. Include with the site files a full page PDF screenshot of the the theme options page as it was when you left it and you'll be heading off another anxious buyer e-mail before it happens.

Your time is money, and profits can end up being slim to none if you spend too long responding to buyer concerns that need never have arisen. File away the answers you give to any questions asked, however obscure. Chances are that you'll need to repeat them one day. Turn the most common ones into FAQs that you can quickly point your buyers to. This might all sound a bit 'production line', but it really does benefit your buyers because you're more likely to be available if they do need more personalised attention.

Lastly, never list anything that you wouldn't want to own yourself. Even if you do manage to sell it you'll not build your reputation by doing so, but the bigger probability is that you'll have wasted your time on a lemon that will just eat into your bottom line. Even the best of sites won't always immediately run into the buyer that's seeking it, so make sure yours stands a chance of paying it's way until it does.

Not as valuable as many of the responses posted so far, but I hope it all helps someone. Big thanks to Allen for starting the thread - I've really enjoyed reading some of the contributions.

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Lance K 15 years ago

I beg to differ, Diana. Solid contribution. Very solid indeed.

Originally Posted by Diana Lane

Not as valuable as many of the responses posted so far, but I hope it all helps someone.
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14 years ago

Originally Posted by beautyuno1

I like your contribution very much, it is very informative. I do have a question: can you or some body else give some more instruction how to create zip files and so on? I would appreciate it very much.

Actually, most PC's have the ability to zip files. Locate a folder on your desktop, right-click to get the dropdown menu, and choose "Send To" You will then get another menu--choose "compress (zip) folder"

If you do not have that feature, you can download any number for free zip utilities from the Internet. Just do a search for "free zip utility."

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I haven't found any shortage of buyers for my start-up sites with PLR articles on Flippa. I concentrate on exceptional design and throw in a PLR ebook to sell. I use a highly customized Woo theme and unique custom logo/headers and they sell easily and quickly for $327 with no traffic or revenue.

I also let some sites sit around and age and get backlinks, traffic and revenue and sell them for a much larger profit, but I still enjoy the quick cash of the start-up sites.

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NewMedia

15 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

I haven't found any shortage of buyers for my start-up sites with PLR articles on Flippa. I concentrate on exceptional design and throw in a PLR ebook to sell. I use a highly customized Woo theme and unique custom logo/headers and they sell easily and quickly for $327 with no traffic or revenue.

I also let some sites sit around and age and get backlinks, traffic and revenue and sell them for a much larger profit, but I still enjoy the quick cash of the start-up sites.

You have a great business flipping model going on, but...

...at $327 a pop someone would need to flip 120 sites (that's 10 sites a month) to earn $39240/year.

But if you design sites and hold on to them for 3-6 months you could flip them for $3270 - instead of $327! NOW you only need to build and flip 12 sites instead of 120 sites/year!

When it comes to site flipping... having a long term strategy in place is putting the power of compound interest on your side (and we all know how powerful compound interests are).

Patrick Forbes

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Sheryl Polomka

15 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

I haven't found any shortage of buyers for my start-up sites with PLR articles on Flippa. I concentrate on exceptional design and throw in a PLR ebook to sell. I use a highly customized Woo theme and unique custom logo/headers and they sell easily and quickly for $327 with no traffic or revenue.

I also let some sites sit around and age and get backlinks, traffic and revenue and sell them for a much larger profit, but I still enjoy the quick cash of the start-up sites.

I agree, I also sell a lot of startup sites and have no trouble doing so.

...at $327 a pop someone would need to flip 120 sites (that's 10 sites a month) to earn $39240/year.

But if you design sites and hold on to them for 3-6 months you could flip them for $3270 - instead of $327! NOW you only need to build and flip 12 sites instead of 120 sites/year!

When it comes to site flipping... having a long term strategy in place is putting the power of compound interest on your side (and we all know how powerful compound interests are).

Yes, established sites already getting traffic and earning an income will sell for much more, but you also need to put the work into getting that traffic and getting the site to a stage of earning income. So although you might need to create less sites each year, you are putting much more work into those that you do create, so I think it balances out in the long run with the amount of time you put in to either creating more sites or creating less sites and promoting them.

Personally, I like doing startup sites because that's why I like to do, I'm not as keen on the promotion side of it, so I'd rather spend my time in the site creation. So I think it comes down to what you prefer to do.

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ezminisites

15 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

I haven't found any shortage of buyers for my start-up sites with PLR articles on Flippa. I concentrate on exceptional design and throw in a PLR ebook to sell. I use a highly customized Woo theme and unique custom logo/headers and they sell easily and quickly for $327 with no traffic or revenue.

I also let some sites sit around and age and get backlinks, traffic and revenue and sell them for a much larger profit, but I still enjoy the quick cash of the start-up sites.

Hey Susan great to see you hear again! Yes, I know you have done well at this game!

Thanks for starting this thread Allen!

Cheers!

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RyanCoisson

15 years ago

I think flipping sites is a great way to make money but have found you can pull much larger profits by letting them get indexed and start to earn some revenue.

I think holding on to them for about 3-4 months is perfect to develop better rankings, revenue and potential sales profit.

Ryan

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ic7 15 years ago

Claude points you exactly where you should be going. If you are just starting out, here's the basics for you:

1) Pick a Niche -- with Keywords

A niche is a topic that people are searching on. For example, many women each day will search for male movie stars online. They want to know, "Is this guy married?" So they will search for terms like:

is ty pennington married

Let's go to Google's Keyword Tool

https://adwords.google.com/select/KeywordToolExternal

What if you built a site that simply answered that question? And contained those exact words? Those words are keywords, and keywords are made of gold.

So search out 10 related Keywords:

male celebrities
male celebs
single celebs
celebrities single
male celebrities pictures
hottest male celebrities
celebrity males
male celebrities photos

I could go on, but you get the general idea.

Now write a little post about a bunch of popular male celebs. You write a paragraph about their marital status containing the exact keywords that the women are searching on. To help you write, do a search on ezinearticles for ty pennington:

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And search Google News to see what he's up to:

Google News

Find some fun facts about the celeb and rewrite them in your own words. Do the same for other celebs, singers, actors, athletes.

2) Choose a Domain Name

Google loves .com So take your keywords and turn them in to a .com domain name.

male celebs

Head on over to Namecheap.com and see if the name is available. Ok, malecelebs.com is taken. So add another keyword to it:

SingleMaleCelebs.com

That one is available. Snatch it up.

3) Get Hosting

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Hostgator has Fantastico. Fantastico is your friend. It automatically installs your Wordpress blog for you. Sweet. And make sure you pick a theme for your niche:

WordPress › Free WordPress Themes

And get yourself a free FTP program to upload the theme:

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Then get some Wordpress Plugins:

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Google (XML) Sitemaps Generator for WordPress

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4) Monetize That Niche

Number One: Think like your customer. You have a big flow of women coming to your site to see which male star is married. Hmm, what would these women be interested in buying? Well, what do women usually buy?

1) Makeup
2) Weight Loss products
3) Skin Creams
4) Relationship Products

That's a good start. Ok, let's match some Affiliate Programs to those four categories:

1) https://affiliate-program.amazon.com/
2) Master Cleanse Affiliate Program
3) http://www.lifecellskin.com/affiliates/affsignup.php
4) Magic Of Making Up | How To Get Your Ex Back | Relationship Advice | Break Up Advice-Affiliates

Take a second look at Life Cell, it's a goldmine. They give you $94.50 per sale. Yep, makeup ain't cheap! And "Magic of Making Up" has the best Affiliate support in the business. You can also search out popular products on your own, and become an Affiliate.

Find Popular Products:

Popular ClickBank Products, Top Requested ClickBank Products, Best ClickBank Products

And search products on Clickbank with High "Gravity". High Gravity means Affiliates are making money and there are a lot of RECENT sales. But it's probably best to pick a Gravity between 75 and 150. This means the product is a good seller, and there's room to compete.

Clickbank Marketplace:

ClickBank Marketplace - ClickBank

Sign Up at Clickbank:

https://www.clickbank.com/affiliateA...ignup.htm?key=

Contextual Affiliate Links

If you take one thing from this guide, please let it be Contextual Links. This means you put your Affiliate Link right in the article itself. People are numb to banners, but they still click text links -- especially if they are in the main body of the post. That means they are "in context." Let me show you exactly how I would do it for SingleMaleCelebs.com

So, you're asking "is Ty Pennington married?" I don't want to build up the tension too much, so I will just flat out tell you that Ty is not married! Girls, you are in luck! If you are dreaming of a romantic partner, remember to look your best. I don't leave the house without my favorite cream. Ok, happy hunting ladies!

Did you click on "favorite cream"? Kinda sneaky, huh? Well, you are giving fun, free content. And then you are recommending a product to the right audience. This can end up being a win/win situation. Now put a different Affiliate link in each post about each celeb. TaDa!

5) Promote the Site!

Write 10 ezine articles about 10 celebs. Just take the same 10 celebs you posted about on your site, and add to those posts to make them into articles. Sign up at EZA:

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Write GOOD quality articles and you will have traffic within ten days. If you have a few extra bucks to spend, get this:

Article Post Robot

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Then Get Social:

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Then find the biggest forums related to your niche and post on them. Become a good forum member, help people out. And always include a link to your site in your forum signature.

The largest Message Boards and Forums on the web!

6) Squidoo Time

Build a free Squidoo Lens (page). Or maybe build ten. Take that same good content from your EZA articles and change it up. Put it on your Squidoo lens. Make the site fun with plenty of photos of celebs and some video. Here's a fun lens I made for a friend. All the links point to her sales page:

Joey's Crazy How to Make Money Online Lens!

Make a fun lens or two, but also make some good content lenses. Keep it interesting. Keep it fun! Keep your lens updated. You can also build pages here:

HubPages

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6.5) ANGELA!

Here's a technique I use that works a miracle on your site's ranking. It takes about two weeks, but it usually gets you to the top of Google. It's a way to get 30 high PR (PageRank) backlinks going to your site. These are powerful sites that have authority with Google. And since these poweful sites are linking to you, your site rises up by magic. I know it sounds too good to be true. A wizard named Angela came up with this technique. She charges $5 a month. Yep, cheap!

Build your backlinks TODAY!

7) Sell the Site!

Ok, you can do a quick flip or you can keep building traffic and sell at a much higher price 4 months from now. Totally up to you. Both are good strategies. If you need quick cash, flip it now. But keep a couple sites in your pocket. Work on building their traffic for one hour per day. Keep building the value of your sites. They are little goldmines. Wait 4 months, then cash in.

If you are going for a quick flip, then go here and list your auction:

Flippa: The #1 Marketplace for Buying and Selling Web Sites

Second Best:

Digital Point Forum (Free)

And of course:

Warrior Special Offers Forum ($20)

Ok, the auction is basically a sales pitch. Tell the buyers about your keyword research. "40,000 people search on these keywords each month according to Google Keyword Research Tool." Tell them about the articles you wrote. Tell them about the Squidoo lenses you made. Tell them about the 30 high PR backlinks you have. Basically tell them everything that's good about your site.

Most importantly, tell them how they can make money with the site. Mention the Affiliate Links, mention the commission per sale. You can even tell them that you will personally insert the Affiliates Links for them. Make it effortless for the buyer to buy your site. You might also say: "Site is sold as is. I can make changes to the site for a small fee."

Remember, once you sell the site, you now have a client that needs other work done. They may want you to help them on the traffic campaign. They may hire you to write articles or build lenses. Maybe they want to change the site. Charge them a small fee for any changes. Maybe they want a new site built. Tell them what you charge. You now have a relationship with the buyer. You are on the same team. You can help each other for years to come.

Hope this helps,

Paul
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realtorkimberly

15 years ago

Hi Allen,
Trying to find the correct thread to post information in reference to domainturns same meaning as domain flipping.
Could you direct me to correct thread. Or leave here as for anyones opinion of
domainflipping versus domainturns would be a great subject for me.
I have no website for domainturns in process of and the same for houseturns
turnstocks all are .com
Appraisals are way too high, considering no site yet evidently appraisers viewed potential
of.
Would be great to hear anyones opinion on flipping definitions versus turns??

Any ideas? domains only my sites are not completed yet almost.

Thanks for any input,
Respectfully,
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SuiteJ

15 years ago

One of my number one 'secrets' is a simple one that anyone can apply to their flips and make 90% more sales:

Deliver quality and outwork the other flippers.

Instead of worrying about what anyone else is saying about "saturation in the marketplace", or "Flippa sucks", or whatever else the popular threads are saying this week, use your time to research what's actually selling in the marketplace. Discover what buyers are looking for, then deliver it - and try your best to do it better than what is currently being sold.

I often wonder if the people who say that "you can't sell sites without traffic/revenue" have ever even tried it themselves...

I mostly sell sites privately now, but the ones I list on Flippa still sell consistently at anywhere between $297-$1297 (with high profit margins) and those are brand new without traffic or revenue.

You can do that too by selling quality sites that actually are worth the price.

I'm not the only one who can sell out brand new sites. Kate Anderson has been doing it forever...Suzanne (sbucciarel) and a few others do it regularly as well. If you ask any of the buyers why...they'll likely say because of the 'quality'.

Now, if you can't do an aspect of the site creation yourself, then outsource it or find a partner. For instance, I'm ok at design and so I found a partner who can create great products...but not great at design. Together, we give buyers a complete product package and design that can be plugged into Clickbank as soon as it's paid for. That's worth $$ to a lot of experienced marketers (a.k.a. your buyers!) who just want to add more sites to their network. Typically, to have that complete package created for them, they'd have to hire 2-3 or more different freelancers (more hassle, less convenient than buying it all in one).

And...there are tons of ways to add value without having to work for $5 an hour. It would be a 200 page post if I went into those details, but the bottom line is this: (for site creation flips anyway)

1.Find what buyers are actually looking for in the marketplace and at what price.
2.Find out how you can deliver that to them at a price that is more than what it cost you to create it.

On a side note to anyone trying to find someone to learn from...the website flippers who know the most are the ones who are selling sites the most often/consistently.

The marketplace changes often on many levels, and those who consistently adapt and continue to sell are the ones who you can teach you how to make sales.

Sounds obvious, but with 600 website flipping products out there and 40 flippers selling regularly, someone is making false claims. LOL

I know those are simple tips, but they work!
Cheers
Jay

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sbucciarel

Banned 15 years ago

Originally Posted by SuiteJ

One of my number one 'secrets' is a simple one that anyone can apply to their flips and make 90% more sales:

Deliver quality and outwork the other flippers.

Instead of worrying about what anyone else is saying about "saturation in the marketplace", or "Flippa sucks", or whatever else the popular threads are saying this week, use your time to research what's actually selling in the marketplace. Discover what buyers are looking for, then deliver it - and try your best to do it better than what is currently being sold.

I often wonder if the people who say that "you can't sell sites without traffic/revenue" have ever even tried it themselves...

I mostly sell sites privately now, but the ones I list on Flippa still sell consistently at anywhere between $297-$1297 (with high profit margins) and those are brand new without traffic or revenue.

You can do that too by selling quality sites that actually are worth the price.

I'm not the only one who can sell out brand new sites. Kate Anderson has been doing it forever...Suzanne (sbucciarel) and a few others do it regularly as well. If you ask any of the buyers why...they'll likely say because of the 'quality'.

Now, if you can't do an aspect of the site creation yourself, then outsource it or find a partner. For instance, I'm ok at design and so I found a partner who can create great products...but not great at design. Together, we give buyers a complete product package and design that can be plugged into Clickbank as soon as it's paid for. That's worth $$ to a lot of experienced marketers (a.k.a. your buyers!) who just want to add more sites to their network. Typically, to have that complete package created for them, they'd have to hire 2-3 or more different freelancers (more hassle, less convenient than buying it all in one).

And...there are tons of ways to add value without having to work for $5 an hour. It would be a 200 page post if I went into those details, but the bottom line is this: (for site creation flips anyway)

1.Find what buyers are actually looking for in the marketplace and at what price.
2.Find out how you can deliver that to them at a price that is more than what it cost you to create it.

On a side note to anyone trying to find someone to learn from...the website flippers who know the most are the ones who are selling sites the most often/consistently.

The marketplace changes often on many levels, and those who consistently adapt and continue to sell are the ones who you can teach you how to make sales.

Sounds obvious, but with 600 website flipping products out there and 40 flippers selling regularly, someone is making false claims. LOL

I know those are simple tips, but they work!
Cheers
Jay

Jay's response is spot on. I keep hearing about site flippers who claim to put in 2-3 hrs on a site and flip it, and the end result looks very much like something that came off an assembly line. Nothing unique about it, not particularly graphically appealing, the same themes being used, no customization, no custom logo/header, etc. If this is the model you are going for, I don't think it will be successful. Buyers quickly catch on to a trend and stop buying these mass produced sites.

I spend more time than that on my sites, and I know for a fact that Jay does, because I've sat around late at night waiting for him to finish one up to purchase it. Here's the big difference between his sites and the run of the mill sites ... other than the outstanding graphics ... most of the sites he sells has a unique product that comes with it, as he mentioned. A few have high quality PLR products, but many that I have bought from him, have a unique product. This gives the buyer a real jump on making money from this site, and in fact, I've made a profit from everything I have bought from him.

Not only do the graphics and theme have to stand out from the crowd, but you need to offer a viable way for the new owner to monetize the site.

Support

You either need to be able to transfer the site yourself ... expertly ... or you need to outsource that. Learning to do it yourself is the best option. I have someone I trust that I can rely on when I get backed up, but when you choose someone, you are trusting them not only with the site files, but with someone's cpanel login. I'll go ahead and drop the name of the person I use since this trust issue is so important ... His name is Dennis and he's on the WF, jjpmktg at gmail dot com. Has always done a good job and fast.

Newbies

If you are successful at flipping, you are going to be selling to a lot of newbies. Some barely know what a blog is when they buy one. You need a list of resources to send them for the inevitable barrage of questions you are going to be hit with. You would have to write at least one ebook to answer all the questions and it is very time consuming. You need to learn extreme patience as well as the art of knowing when a project is done and cutting them loose gently to learn on their own. Otherwise, all your time will be spent training people without compensation instead of building/buying sites to flip.

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Gee S

15 years ago

Wow great thread guys! Im the loving all the info.

So you guys have mentioned monetizing these sites. I want to start with adsense, but I also want to use other methods. I know some have been mentioned here but can anyone suggest a complete list?

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Diana Lane

15 years ago

Originally Posted by MrEyeconic

So you guys have mentioned monetizing these sites. I want to start with adsense, but I also want to use other methods. I know some have been mentioned here but can anyone suggest a complete list?

It really depends on the purpose of your site. As well as Adsense, the usual suspects are ClickBank, Amazon and eBay. There are plenty of other less commonly used options around, but you have to be careful that the programs you use aren't just open to those in the US or you'll end up limiting potential buyer numbers for your site. Even though they're not particularly restrictive geographically, some of those already mentioned go through phases where they are fussy about who they will accept. It seems easier currently for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than it is for some people to pass through the eBay acceptance process.

You can also monetize your sites with digital products, and lots of people create membership sites too. I've never tried that one, but others have done very well out of it.

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JesseT

15 years ago

Originally Posted by MrEyeconic

Wow great thread guys! Im the loving all the info.

So you guys have mentioned monetizing these sites. I want to start with adsense, but I also want to use other methods. I know some have been mentioned here but can anyone suggest a complete list?

Well, I don' really like the idea of having an affiliate site and placing adsense on it as well (Firstly I think thats against Googles ToS) and secondly, that will detract potential buyers from the purpose of your site. That is if I read your response right.

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Gee S

15 years ago

JesseT,

I wasn't referring to having it all on one website. I would probably use one, maybe two monetization methods on each website. Say maybe adsense on one website, and then another method on a different website.

I could see how my post could have been taken the wrong way. I'll be clearer next time.

Gurpreet

Originally Posted by JesseT

Well, I don' really like the idea of having an affiliate site and placing adsense on it as well (Firstly I think thats against Googles ToS) and secondly, that will detract potential buyers from the purpose of your site. That is if I read your response right.

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Sheryl Polomka

15 years ago

Originally Posted by JesseT

Well, I don' really like the idea of having an affiliate site and placing adsense on it as well (Firstly I think thats against Googles ToS) and secondly, that will detract potential buyers from the purpose of your site. That is if I read your response right.

I don't believe it is against Googles TOS to have affiliate advertising and adsense ads on the same site. I think it is against their TOS to have other ads that look identical to the adsense ads, but it is ok to have other affiliate products on your site.

As far as detracting buyers, I don't think it will, your customers will either buy or they wont, and if they are not going to buy then you might as well earn an income when they leave your site through Adsense.

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Marhelper

15 years ago

I have flipped about 30+ sites already and here are some the things I look for in building a site(s) to flip:

1. I build a quick flip site by building a quick html site (outsource it all for $50 - $100).
2. I then get it ranking for the low hanging fruit (use Wordtracker).
3. I write about 10 articles using Jack Duncan's Formula (brings huge traffic, ongoing)
4. I montetize with CB (Forex works real well).
5. About 2 - 3 months later I make an easy 1k plus the money I made over the 2-3 months, the total usually comes to about $3,500 profit.
6. Rinse & Repeat

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John Hixson

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Marhelper

I have flipped about 30+ sites already and here are some the things I look for in building a site(s) to flip:

1. I build a quick flip site by building a quick html site (outsource it all for $50 - $100).
2. I then get it ranking for the low hanging fruit (use Wordtracker).
3. I write about 10 articles using Jack Duncan's Formula (brings huge traffic, ongoing)
4. I montetize with CB (Forex works real well).
5. About 2 - 3 months later I make an easy 1k plus the money I made over the 2-3 months, the total usually comes to about $3,500 profit.
6. Rinse & Repeat

Forgive me if I miss something here but you say that you make an easy $1k by flipping it after 2-3 months, which gives you $3.5k profit. Which means in 2-3 months you have made $2.5k.

Why would you sell it if it is making that much money
And even if you did want to sell it why would you dso so at a price that is just shy of 1 months profit?

I'm sure I missed something here but the numbers simply don't add up for me

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TheRazor55

15 years ago

In terms of monetizing you have loads you can do...

- Adsense
- CPA offers
- Common affiliate network products (like in clickbank)
- Amazon
- Ebay
- Pop Traffic (popunders, popovers... you can get up to $3 per 1000 uniques)
- Hover ads and cousins
- Your own ad space
etc..

But the gold is really the fundamental strategy you are using to monetize it... for example, Do you have a well written presell for the product, do you have a lead generation machine built in, do you have Viral Traffic Generation implemented, Do you have a autoresponder follow up series, how many promos do you have on it, Optin Rates, Open Rates, Close Rate...

The more of those things you have in place the more your site both worths and stands out.

Now remember about what was told before... You want to keep a list of previous buyers and contact them if you have a new site for sale. (basic strategy, the real meat goes for the guys inside my coaching program)

Hope you guys apply this stuff, it is guaranteed to make money.
I have yet to find a person that after my guidance haven't made a full time income out of flipping alone in a couple of weeks. Most of the stuff you need is in this thread, its just as easy as following instructions... So Now lets start Cracking, enough forum time for the day, go out make some money.

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James Pateman

15 years ago

Good article here:

How To Buy A Website And Flip It For Profit - Entrepreneurs-Journey.com by Yaro Starak

(Disclosure: I have no commercial interest through this link)
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AdInventive

15 years ago

I've begun dabbling in flipping unique sites that I create on Flippa.

I've seen a lot of sites sold by most of the people in this thread as I have studied what's sold in the past to try and determine what I should start working on myself. This is one tip I would give. Take a look at what's selling already and use that as a starting point for what you aim to offer. The ones that have a hundred sites sold already know what they're doing, now just aspire do it better than them!

In fact I'm amazed at some of the prices that a few of you are able to get for your stuff (J for example). Whilst I don't doubt the quality, at the same time I see very similar things being sold for half the price. If there is a lesson that should be learned from this is, don't sell yourself short because you do yourself a disservice to your time and skill. Don't allow the market to dictate what your time and skill is worth. Provided that you have it, it will shine above the competition and will pay off in dividends.

As has been stated above, the most important things that one can do is to make it look good, have researched unique content, and most importantly add extras.

I am really partial to using woothemes based wordpress themes as a starting point for my sites. Not only are they really well done, but they provide a really good options page that help not so tech savvy buyers do some cool things that they normally would be unable to do by default, all without having to bother dealing with additional plugins.

So I only stick to using premium themes as a result of this. It adds extra value that many of the sites up there don't have yet.

By extras I mean things like a branded ebook that compliments the site, additional keyword research that you have done to point buyers in the right direction, an ecourse for them to give to newsletter subscribers that help promote the ebook that you provided to them. Any extras that you can think of that will add value to the overall package that you are offering them, will go a long way in bringing sales.

Also, build a list of people that are interested in the sites that you create and give them first crack at a new one. Over time you will not even need a place like Flippa to sell your site at. I just got started with flipping unique sites on there, so this is something I need to begin doing myself, considering so far I have sold each one I've put up there.

Lastly, as stated above it's worth using sites that you develop to build your own network. Frankly I'm just building these sites to remain fluid and essentially I am just reinvesting it in my projects that yield bigger results.

Flipping start-up sites is definitely a thinning market that has already peaked so it's going against the grain from the start. Take that into consideration and think about the long term.

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cjjohn

15 years ago

Question:

It is recommended by many that one adds an eBook or eCourse or some such as an optin on the site one intends to sell. This means building an autoresponder email list.

I have searched everywhere and I cannot find out how it would be possible to transfer an autoresponder list to a new owner, at least not without having the current subscribers re-subscribe, which they might not do.

Is it possible to transfer an existing list to a new owner or should one just have the eBook or eCourse and name squeeze in place, ready for the new owner to implement?

...and if so, what about the recommendation to age a site before selling it? Should the list still be built?

I'm confused... lol.
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steve m

15 years ago

Originally Posted by kitfanc

Question:

It is recommended by many that one adds an eBook or eCourse or some such as an optin on the site one intends to sell. This means building an autoresponder email list.

I have searched everywhere and I cannot find out how it would be possible to transfer an autoresponder list to a new owner, at least not without having the current subscribers re-subscribe, which they might not do.

Is it possible to transfer an existing list to a new owner or should one just have the eBook or eCourse and name squeeze in place, ready for the new owner to implement?

...and if so, what about the recommendation to age a site before selling it? Should the list still be built?

I'm confused... lol.
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You can transfer a list in awebber. I am not so sure about any of the other services such as getaresponse or email aces. But it can be done in awebber.

All the best

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scarpet1

15 years ago

This is a great thread.

Thanks Steve W, George Wright

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Bill Corners

15 years ago

This is a good thread!

I just started flipping sites a few months ago and still getting the hang of it. Here's what I've been doing and it's been working 100% of the time.

1) Purchase a high quality PLR ebook with a good sales page
2) Get a catchy domain name (even if it's long it still sells)
3) Sell it for $97 to $147

All mine have been in internet marketing like affiliate marketing, blogging, cpa, and they sell all the time.

I've done one blog but that was a lot of work setting up and transferring to buyer so I avoid blogs now.

What I'm starting to do now is changing the graphics myself, new headers, footers, ecover and banners (had to learn some photoshop but it wasn't too hard) and it helps add value to the site because no one else has the same graphics.

For future sites, I will start building traffic and generating income like the trafficguy said. I think once someone gets the hang of doing this, it could make a lot of money fast with little work.

Also, I'm going to start outsourcing some of the work, but I needed to do it myself to know how it all goes.

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seobro

15 years ago

Sadly, I have noticed that the quality of sites on sale on flippa is way gone. I mean now you either have a site that sells for $200 that has zero traffic and makes zero money. OR, some pathetic site that makes like $100/mth and they want $30,000 for it. Back in the day, you could get a blog with decent traffic and a PR3 for approx $150. Typically it was a student that got a job in the real world and they wanted to sell off the blog. Well, guess what, those PR3 blogs are like gold now because you can use them to feed PR to your selling sites, but I cannot touch even one now.

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sbucciarel

Banned 15 years ago

Hi

Due to many people asking questions about how to transfer sites from one host to another after they sell a site, I've updated my Flip Ace product to include very detailed instructions on how to do this with many screenshots.

But I've also created that portion of the ebook as a standalone ebook that I'm giving away here on the Warrior Forum for free.

You can download it at http://flipace.com/transfer.pdf

I hope you find it useful and complete.

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luckystepho 15 years ago

Thanks for this it is going to be really useful!
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steve m

15 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Hi

Due to many people asking questions about how to transfer sites from one host to another after they sell a site, I've updated my Flip Ace product to include very detailed instructions on how to do this with many screenshots.

But I've also created that portion of the ebook as a standalone ebook that I'm giving away here on the Warrior Forum for free.

You can download it at http://flipace.com/transfer.pdf

I hope you find it useful and complete.

Thank you for the report on the transfer part. I have sold a few blogs in the past and made a right mess of the hole process. Will never make that mistake again.

I kept on getting fatal errors on header line blah blah blah. I can't remember exactly what it was, but it was an expensive mistake to make.

All the best

Steve M

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15 years ago

Thanks for the file.

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Hi

Due to many people asking questions about how to transfer sites from one host to another after they sell a site, I've updated my Flip Ace product to include very detailed instructions on how to do this with many screenshots.

But I've also created that portion of the ebook as a standalone ebook that I'm giving away here on the Warrior Forum for free.

You can download it at flipace.com transfer.pdf

I hope you find it useful and complete.

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sweetkiss

14 years ago

Can anybody suggest the good and reliable one-on-one coaching for website flipping subject to me here. I am interested.

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Adeel_Chowdhry

14 years ago

Hey, what a coincedence.. I made some free videos on flippa a few days ago!

Flippa Profits Tutorial - 100% Free!

I hope you enjoy it,

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Originally Posted by Adeel_Chowdhry

Hey, what a coincedence.. I made some free videos on flippa a few days ago!

Flippa Profits Tutorial - 100% Free!

I hope you enjoy it,

Adeel

Wow, this must be good one. Thank you for sharing.
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SageSound

14 years ago

The easiest way to transfer sites to new owners

The process I'm about to describe takes less time to accomplish than it will take you to read this brief explanation.

It's very, VERY simple.

First, you MUST upgrade your hosting account to a RESELLER ACCOUNT. AT HostGator, a Reseller account is $24.95/mo, as opposed to a regular account at $10 or so. If you use their 20% off coupon and pre-pay for the entire year, it's less. (I've seen Reseller accounts as low as $15/mo.)

If that seems outrageously expensive (like, you're making hundreds or thousands a month and you can't afford $25/mo?), then think of it this way. Your first sale will cover the cost of the Reseller account for the year. The rest of the sales will be made up in the time you save not having to fart around transferring anything. Seriously!

Then, when you set up your new sites that you're going to flip, set them up on their own account. That means, each domain has its own unique and separate login. You do this under the WHM -- Web Host Manager -- Panel. It's no more complicated than setting up an addon domain.

Ok, once you've done that, then you're off to the races.

Do whatever you do, then sell the site.

You'll need two things from your buyer:

1) their account name on the same registrar where the domain is registered. (They'll have to set one up for free if they don't have one.)

2) their email address, which you'll probably have after being paid.

Ok, now pay very close attention. This is an incredibly complicated process that will take you at least ... oh ... 30 or 40 seconds to complete. Watch very closely:

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Step #1: login to your domain registrar (I prefer NameCheap)

Step #2: select the domain

Step #3: PUSH the domain to the buyer's account.

Step #4: write an email to the buyer saying the following:

Hello new site owner!

I have just pushed the domain from my account to yours at the registrar
(NameCheap or whatever). You need to change the contact information
to whatever you want. If you want to transfer the domain to another
registrar, do so BEFORE changing the contact info; otherwise, you'll have
to wait 60 days to move it.

You can gain immediate access to your new site. Simply go to the following
URL:

http:// your-new-site.com/cpanel

The login name is: TheName
password is: ThePassword

I suggest you change the login password right away.

Per the terms of the sale, you have 30 days to move the site to another
host. Or you may leave the site there and pay me an additional $50 per
year to host it.

It has been a pleasure.

-Joe Flipper

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Quickest transfer in the west!

Did you see it?

Too fast for you, eh?

Go back and start with step #1 again if you missed it.

Good luck!
-David

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webcosmo

14 years ago

I think buying an existing site and improving it makes it lot easier.

Factors that play vital role on the price:
- design
- domain name
- earnings
- potential

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Fl_Broker

14 years ago

That is so true webcosmo. I have bought so many simple sites and improve them and have sold them for a profit. But I think it boils down to buying them for the right price.

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nikking

14 years ago

Hi,

Thanks all for the very informative input. Just out of curiosity, has anyone tried flipping a "brand" website, ie build a specific brand of product review site and subsequently sell it off to maybe the owner of the brand?

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JEL0221

14 years ago

Originally Posted by nikking

Hi,

Thanks all for the very informative input. Just out of curiosity, has anyone tried flipping a "brand" website, ie build a specific brand of product review site and subsequently sell it off to maybe the owner of the brand?

You would think you could just retire when, according to your sig, you have already made your first million on the internet.

I wouldn't bother with small time stuff like website flipping if this is the case.

But, as I am here and I see this thread has been bumped back into the 1st page, I wanted to add a little something, although there has been a ton of great information in this thread so far.

After you have flipped your first website and have a little bit of investment capital, you can completely outsource this process.

For example...

For around $200, I can have 30 articles and a 1,000 word review written. I can also get someone to customize some graphics on my wordpress blog to go with the theme of the site.

...You can find cheap workers here at WF...

I put 10 of those articles on my site along with the review.

I then put the other 20 articles into ezine articles with a link to my review page.

After those articles have been approved, I manually submit them to 5 other major directories, with a link pointing to the ezine article and review site.

Then I put the 10 articles from my site on ezine(repeat the process).

Give it 3-4 weeks. I can typically get about $100 in affiliate revenue alone from this.

Then, list the site on Flippa for 10-12x the site's revenue. You may not get your full amount, but it is reasonable to get at least $800-$900 for the site.

***Tip***

Look around on flippa before you list to site and take a look at what sites are getting tons of bids and which sites are not. Figure out what the successful sites are doing to spark interest.

In my experience, this involves lots of screen shots of traffic, proofs of revenue and profit, back up docs of articles, reports on links pointing to the site...

....and one of the MOST important...being constantly available to answer questions of bidders on Flippa and offering support after the site has been purchased

Like I said, this thread already contains more than enough information, but hopefully you can get some gems out of my experience.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by JEL0221

After you have flipped your first website and have a little bit of investment capital, you can completely outsource this process.

...............

***Tip***

Look around on flippa before you list to site and take a look at what sites are getting tons of bids and which sites are not. Figure out what the successful sites are doing to spark interest.

In my experience, this involves lots of screen shots of traffic, proofs of revenue and profit, back up docs of articles, reports on links pointing to the site...

....and one of the MOST important...being constantly available to answer questions of bidders on Flippa and offering support after the site has been purchased

Like I said, this thread already contains more than enough information, but hopefully you can get some gems out of my experience.

Can't agree more - I am on Flippa all the time - and it's very worth my while!

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Online Domination

14 years ago

Thanks to Allen for starting this and to all the members for sharing their valuable tips and experience. This is why I love WF.

Thanks all, I'm not quite sure where to start, but will sleep on the process. I think my challenge is always coming up with niches. I seem to battle with deciding on a niche and how to monetize it???

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Travis Van Slooten

14 years ago

Coming up with niches is the easy part. There are niches all around you! Here is a link to my blog on website flipping that shows you 13 easy ways to find niches:

13 Quick and Easy Ways on How To Find a Niche

Before you consider flipping websites, concentrate on the fundamentals of building high-quality websites. Get traffic to them and get them earning revenue - and don't even think about selling anything until you master those two pieces - traffic & revenue.

Once you have a website with traffic and revenue, they are "easy" to flip. They basically sell themselves.

Travis

Originally Posted by Online Domination

Thanks to Allen for starting this and to all the members for sharing their valuable tips and experience. This is why I love WF.

Thanks all, I'm not quite sure where to start, but will sleep on the process. I think my challenge is always coming up with niches. I seem to battle with deciding on a niche and how to monetize it???

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Online Domination

14 years ago

Originally Posted by tvanslooten

Coming up with niches is the easy part. There are niches all around you! Here is a link to my blog on website flipping that shows you 13 easy ways to find niches:

13 Quick and Easy Ways on How To Find a Niche

Before you consider flipping websites, concentrate on the fundamentals of building high-quality websites. Get traffic to them and get them earning revenue - and don't even think about selling anything until you master those two pieces - traffic & revenue.

Once you have a website with traffic and revenue, they are "easy" to flip. They basically sell themselves.

Travis

Thanks Travis that was a great help

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tehnolife

Banned 14 years ago

A good thing for flipping a site for 3-5 grand is to let the auction running for more days.If you do this, more bidders will see your site, and you will have a competition between bidders.So, your site with 100$/month profits will go for over 1000$.

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powerranger1

13 years ago

useful information. But I am newbie. I will try to do blog development first.

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goingup

13 years ago

Is there a free ebokk available anywhere that includes the instructions a site buyer would need to complete a transfer, as well as answering most questions a buyer might have?

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13 years ago

Great thread for newbies. This will definitely help me.

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Gullybaba

13 years ago

Brilliant Idea by Allen,

Process of Creating or Buying, Improving and Selling. You must provide quality content to website and choose relevant keyword to your site and take domain likely searchable into search engines(You can go to google keyword tool and can choose matching domain to your site).

Then, Sell your site, to sell your site (you can add your site to clickbank or more of the sites.) If you bought your site then, it would be best to sell the site at the same place you bought it as the market value that determined the price there will be the same.

website flipping will be one of the fastest growing online markets in the coming years.
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celente

13 years ago

This is how some warriors make their living, while i do not like the idea of putting all your eggs in one basket, you can learn alot from this buying and selling businesses online.

Also there is a lot to learn from flippa and successful sites, you can do a bit of reverse engineering and sell your own 100k site to someone on there. Pretty cool stuff.

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onSubie

13 years ago

Hi

Sorry for all the questions below, but often most information about flipping is the types of sites to flip, how to monetize and maximize profit.

A few here have commented on the importance of managing the business, build a list of buyers, offer support, create supporting documentation, etc.

I'd like some information from experienced flippers about how to market yourself as a seller. Especially when you have no feedback or reputation. How to start out on the right foot as you build a reputation as a seller.

When choosing a name do you go personal (JimWilson), nick-namey (DomainAce) or corporate (RaDesigns)? Or does it matter?

What type of info do you put in your seller profile? How much info? Photo? Logo?

How many listings do you have active at one time? Tips on managing this?

Any "best day/time" for auction endings?

Great thread and very helpful.

Mahlon

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Izzy9

13 years ago

I got so many great ideas here. I have started a niche site from niche profit classroom and they did all the groundwork and basically you just have to put the site up. However, you have to make some revisions with the package because so many other members can use the same package too. I think that a big amount of time must go into researching the niche, sizing up competition and marketing to make it profitable. It's not just a one step approach and the program got me into thinking its relatively easy. I'm still working on it and the inputs of the members here are very much helpful. Keep them coming.