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Do you think Internet Marketers Overthink decisions?

by DWolfe
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Saw two posts today on the forum today. They reminded me something I read by Gary Vee. One is a thread about giving away too much content for free. The other was from a member that waited to get started, till they learned enough about a subject. ( reading emails, buying courses etc.) Instead of learning by doing.

Here is the question Do you agree or disagree with the statemen and why ?



Posted from Gary Vee - "I think people overthink decisions in business.

There's no time machine, there's no future machine - you'll never know what the alternative would have been.

So just pick one and do it. Then, adjust if it doesn't work."

https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update...2120645263360/

(Note not calling anyone out. just introducing a topic for discussion)
#decisions #internet #marketers #overthink
  • Profile picture of the author DABK
    I agree with the sentiment but not the wording.


    Learn as you go along, is what it should be.


    You want to do something, do a bit of research, learn what the first one or two steps would be, apply. You run into problems, you figure out what went wrong, apply knew knowledge. If you don't run into problems, you figure out what and how to implement step 4. Then you implement.


    Because to me, learn by doing means (as some people I know have done), just start doing and tinker till you make it work (without bothering to read how others have done it, or learn in any other way).


    I know, I know, lots of people know that learn by doing is not meant to just try everything on your own. I just love precision in words.


    Originally Posted by DWolfe View Post

    Saw two posts today on the forum today. They reminded me something I read by Gary Vee. One is a thread about giving away too much content for free. The other was from a member that waited to get started, till they learned enough about a subject. ( reading emails, buying courses etc.) Instead of learning by doing.

    Here is the question Do you agree or disagree with the statemen and why ?



    Posted from Gary Vee - "I think people overthink decisions in business.

    There's no time machine, there's no future machine - you'll never know what the alternative would have been.

    So just pick one and do it. Then, adjust if it doesn't work."

    https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update...2120645263360/

    (Note not calling anyone out. just introducing a topic for discussion)
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by DABK View Post

      I agree with the sentiment but not the wording.


      Learn as you go along, is what it should be.

      What I've always taught (and done myself for a few decades) is learn by doing and thinking (learning) at the same time.

      What is overthinking? I think most people don't over think, they over-fantasize. They are pondering, not figuring it out. Not actively thinking it through. There is a big difference between hesitating and thinking. Hesitating is passive thinking is active.

      Take selling (my only real field of expertise)

      Trying to figure it out by only acting...will take forever, and most people can't survive the learning curve. So there is some initial learning, gathering a basic knowledge, and then learn as you actually perform. Do them at the same time. Why?

      When you are learning (by reading/courses/training) what you learn, you'll be able to try it out right away. This keeps the journey interesting. Almost nobody is bored when they are learning something new and useful.

      And actually working while you are learning? It gives you something to attach your new knowledge to. You see something work right away. These are the "AHA" moments.

      If you aren't applying what you are learning, how would you know if it works or is true?

      Working is testing. But you need the new idea to test.....so thinking (learning) and working go together. It isn't one step then the other. It takes both feet to run. You want to chop down the tree...but you also want a sharp ax. Sharpening the ax is work too. Learning is work too. "Pondering" isn't work.

      Calling it "Over-thinking" is giving credit where none is deserved.

      I hope this helps someone.
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      • Profile picture of the author DABK
        I agree it takes two feet to run, but have you seen the posts on Warrior Forum? A lot of them are from people who do not know they need to move both feet to walk or run.


        For that reason, I think my distinction has value.


        I noticed something similar when I had my real estate appraising, lots of people wanting / trying to be investors... Some took expensive courses from gurus and never did anything; some skipped any and all courses because they just knew they could make $100k from investing $10k. All you had to do is find a seller willing to sell below value, but at that price, turn around and sell at full market value. What's so hard about that?


        Yes, I have met many who do it the way it makes sense, the way you describe. I have met and am related to the other type too.



        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        What I've always taught (and done myself for a few decades) is learn by doing and thinking (learning) at the same time.

        What is overthinking? I think most people don't over think, they over-fantasize. They are pondering, not figuring it out. Not actively thinking it through.

        Take selling (my only real field of expertise)

        Trying to figure it out by only acting...will take forever, and most people can't survive the learning curve. So there is some initial learning, gathering a basic knowledge, and then learn as you actually perform. Do them at the same time. Why?

        When you are learning (by reading/courses/training) what you learn, you'll be able to try it out right away. This keeps the journey interesting. Almost nobody is bored when they are learning something new and useful.

        And actually working while you are learning? It gives you something to attach your new knowledge to. You see something work right away. These are the "AHA" moments.

        If you aren't applying what you are learning, how would you know if it works or is true?

        Working is testing. But you need the new idea to test.....so thinking (learning) and working go together. It isn't one step then the other. It takes both feet to run.

        I hope this helps someone.
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by DABK View Post

          Yes, I have met many who do it the way it makes sense, the way you describe. I have met and am related to the other type too.
          Personally, I tend to be the "Learn everything you can about it" kind of guy. So at the beginning, it may be 80% learning, and 20% doing. Eventually it switches to 80% doing and 20% learning.

          But the truth is, I enjoy the learning more than the doing.
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          • Profile picture of the author savidge4
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            Personally, I tend to be the "Learn everything you can about it" kind of guy. So at the beginning, it may be 80% learning, and 20% doing. Eventually it switches to 80% doing and 20% learning.

            But the truth is, I enjoy the learning more than the doing.
            I think for some of us...some of us that have been in business for a number of years, this concept is hmmm hard to relate to?

            And what I mean by this is I have this long list of skill sets that apply to anything and everything I can would or could do. The only wild card variable at play is the actual TOPIC that I would be applying all of these skills.

            So right off the bat... im 80% doing - business is business is business... and once there is a working model in place, you simply replicate whats working. If I am successful at selling Baseball bats online... chances are good I will be successful selling running shoes or porcelain dolls. I would only have to learn the nuances of the new topic ( obviously some are more nuanced than others )

            I actually find it difficult sometimes to give advice here... because I cant think of a way to dumb down my experience


            In the very beginning they discuss Eddie Van Hallen being THE WORST guitar teacher... and it makes absolute perfect sense.

            How I operate in my day to day life is based on my experience in all the years leading up to and including TODAY.... I dont have to think in most cases, I only need apply past experience to a current situation. BUT we all know to be true no two peoples experience is the same. Its a dynamic.. a juxtaposition of the experienced and the newbie if you will.

            Yes, people over think things... and its simply because they do not have the experience to do otherwise. Basically the more you know - in application ( doing ) the less you think - or so I believe.

            Me saying hey just do this that and the other... and your looking at me like I have lost my mind - Wolfgang looking at his father and saying F-You.

            So the whole thing comes down to where within the spectrum of applicable experience do you fall? Overthinking to thinking very little.
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            • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
              Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

              I actually find it difficult sometimes to give advice here... because I cant think of a way to dumb down my experience
              I imagine most WF readers - and probably most of Gary V's followers - haven't started a business or haven't run one before.

              Anyone with experience knows that you don't run a business by theory. Whatever you might think you know before starting out is going to be different when you actually get going. You pick up the basic principles quickly enough - as long as you stay in business - but being able to adapt quickly to market changes, trends and conditions is a skill you only acquire on the job.
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            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
              Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

              I think for some of us...some of us that have been in business for a number of years, this concept is hmmm hard to relate to?

              And what I mean by this is I have this long list of skill sets that apply to anything and everything I can would or could do. The only wild card variable at play is the actual TOPIC that I would be applying all of these skills.

              .
              Decades ago, I went to a small Peter Lowe sales event. He sold a set of tapes, and after the event, I bought him dinner. (If I remember correctly)

              I told him I wanted to be a speaker like him. He was patient with me, asking me about my experience.

              I told him about my selling accomplishments at the time. I asked him how I should go about becoming a speaker like him.

              He said "Just expand on what you are doing now". I asked several more questions, and he kept saying things like "You already know. Just apply what you know".


              I thought for the longest time that he was just avoiding the question.

              It took decades...and several years of earning a living selling from the stage that it occurred to me that he was right.

              Everything I did in speaking was just an extension of what I was doing in selling.

              Getting speaking gigs was just prospecting. Speaking was selling.

              But at the time, I thought there was a secret I needed to know.

              There as, it was called work.
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  • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
    I like what DABK wrote, liking the sentiment, not the wording.

    What is OVERthinking? I like to argue...so I would say they don't think enough, the right kind of thinking. And act to quickly on bad thinking.

    The other famous Gary (Halbert) said Movement over Meditation. Same sentiment, that is DO SOMETHING, as mommy once said, "Son get off your ass and do something,"
    she had a good command of the language.

    First, about all Gary's, those on the stage talking to the audience: they have overcome their own distractions and focused, something most audience members have not yet learned how to do.

    Recently, I've touted a great book by S. Pressfield, THE WAR OF ART, and his description of this distraction/procrastination he calls resistance. Garys' have either forgotten this or just can't relate to the idea, that it is a normal and natural state of mind for the majority.

    You can almost see Gary V. getting ready to slap you silly, and he has no sympathy for you (which is a good feature of his) and your resistance/procrastination...and this is true for many teachers and gurus on the stage. YOU, if in their audience, have some work to do on yourself first, before you can implement their strategies.

    Mostly with your thinking. Or OVERthinking. Or wrong thinking.

    And at the other end is the Fire/Aim/Ready folk who just dive in...and we see them here, five years later, going down one more rabbit hole, one more Unicorn chase, one more shiny object blinding their visions.

    If it is about making money, then YES, it is overthought.

    Getting money is simple, give value. Exchanges. More of them. More value=more $$.

    Not rocket science, not brain surgery, not all that difficult to understand.

    And what we see here at WF, most often, is a person either comes with NOTHING of value to offer, or they undervalue what they have.

    Those with 0 go the affiliate/ecom/blog route...trying to find other people's value to offer to the market, and those with something to offer, self sabatoge because that is part of their resistance to success.

    Motion in and of itself is just energy expended (thanks Newton), but when it is focused movement, it takes you to where you are aiming.

    Thoughtless motion is hard to correct, because you don't know what you did wrong, you only know THAT didn't work for you.

    So, yes, think through the process, your strategy, your methods KNOWING what you want and how you will get there...NO, don't overthink, go in motion and solve your problems in the direction of your goals.

    NOW, it helps to know HOW we think and this is where an assessment might come in handy. Certainly analysts and creatives think differently, so it helps coming knowing HOW you think...and then getting out of your way to take the action needed.

    Sentiment yes. Like Mommy said...but if you get off your ass and go take a nap, you might have misunderstood her intent.

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    Originally Posted by DWolfe View Post

    Saw two posts today on the forum today. They reminded me something I read by Gary Vee. One is a thread about giving away too much content for free. The other was from a member that waited to get started, till they learned enough about a subject. ( reading emails, buying courses etc.) Instead of learning by doing.

    Here is the question Do you agree or disagree with the statemen and why ?



    Posted from Gary Vee - "I think people overthink decisions in business.

    There's no time machine, there's no future machine - you'll never know what the alternative would have been.

    So just pick one and do it. Then, adjust if it doesn't work."

    https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update...2120645263360/

    (Note not calling anyone out. just introducing a topic for discussion)
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  • Profile picture of the author savidge4
    Originally Posted by DWolfe View Post

    Posted from Gary Vee - "I think people overthink decisions in business.

    There's no time machine, there's no future machine - you'll never know what the alternative would have been.

    So just pick one and do it. Then, adjust if it doesn't work."
    So related to much information... Its right up there with thinking a vertical is saturated... UH NO... its a not so well thought out Excuse? Reason? why things are not going well. The persons post you read... he has a ton of content.. BUT I would suggest that the 99% of the time you see this out in the internet wild, the opposite is true, there is NOT enough content... and yet they believe they have shared to much.

    To give an example here lets just say i am going to become an Amazon affiliate and sell "Toasters". I would pick 10 toasters. I would write a piece of content for each... I would then write a piece for each color variation of each toaster. I then would write a piece of care, maintenance, and trouble shooting for each model... and then do a definitive comparison between all 10, and then split the 10 into micro groups of say 2 or 3 and write comparisons. I would then have a couple of articles for Toaster recipes and maybe top it off with some BRAND pages with brand histories of each toaster. Im like 40 to 50 pages of content in to sell toasters - THATS enough... most efforts we see here are what 1 page... maybe 2, and they wonder why its not working.

    The other issue is learning before you start... Anyone that has gone to college very quickly understands what you "learned" in no way applies to what the actual job entails. Therre are like 3 steps.. there is learning, there is doing, and then in the middle there is applying what you learned to what you are doing. Im in no way suggesting fake it till you make it - because thats just a dead end road...

    but have a core understanding of a TOPIC, and then learning how to build a site and do this and do that... Learning as you are doing, in that scenario... ALL about it.

    And again I think there is an issue in the topics people pick.. they are looking at potential dollars and saturation and keyword weakness and all this crap... and have not a clue about Forex or whatever else they think they will be selling. Without looking it up... how many people actually know what FOREX is? If one is going to study before they get started it should be on the TOPIC of the item or course they are going to sell.

    Anyways... I think the statement is dead nuts on... You are no longer in school where things are handed to you lesson by lesson in some type of order... the ultimate lesson you should have pulled from SCHOOL... is HOW TO LEARN... And there is a reason why you would read a chapter and answer 3 to 5 stupid questions for home work.. there was reasons you had writing assignments and projects and tests every other week.

    The PROCESS that is learning with courses etc does NOT mimic the methods people are accustomed to learning from - so most people are not learning.. and when they try and apply what they have "learned" / learnt it is just a cluster truck.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bkelly301
    I am the one who started that thread about giving away too much for free.

    I have been in business for 7 years now, and I had a good stretch of about 3 years where I was clearing $10K per month in my business.

    Things have slowed down a lot since then, so I'm trying to figure out WHY that is happening...

    It's not like I'm just getting started here and overthinking. I've been TAKING MASSIVE ACTION since I started back in 2015!
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  • Profile picture of the author Bkelly301
    Just to add to this thread based on my own personal experience...

    This may sound ridiculous to some. However, this is a result of simply just getting an idea and running with it, which is what I did back in 2015 and am still doing to this day.

    I never intended to be a "YouTuber", and therefore I had no clue about making thumbnail images, lighting, audio, etc. I was literally just recording videos from my crappy camera, using the built-in mic and my room lighting for my first 3 or 4 years. I didn't realize that I was doing anything "wrong" because I have never paid any attention to stuff such as "how to be a successful YouTuber". I only learned about lighting, audio and thumbnails after having people point it out to me (eg. "hey man, your lighting and audio sucks" or "dude, what's up with your sh***y thumbnail")

    I do believe that this may be the reason why to this day my subscriber count is much lower than many people think it should be. However, despite that I have still managed to make a full-time living using YouTube as my primary traffic source.

    Another example...

    I really never studied much "marketing". I literally just used to read Steve Pavlina's blog religiously because he is someone that I found that was doing what I wanted to be doing (run an internet business). I never knew about landing pages, squeeze pages, sales pages, funnels, email sequences, etc. It wasn't until I was already at the point where I was making money that I learned what many marketers would consider to be "the basics".

    I'm literally just now starting to understand the process of a setting up a proper sales funnel, because I am just now starting to get into using paid traffic....

    Imagine making over 6 figures a year for a few years straight not even knowing exactly what was meant by a "landing page" or how to use proper lighting for videos....ya that's me. I did that.

    I spent all my time focusing on producing the best content that I could, and I am just now after 7 years finally understanding "the fundamentals".

    Can you overthink something too much and not take action? Yes absolutely.

    Can you take massive action without ever learning the fundamentals of marketing and still achieve a reasonable amount of success? Yes, that is my story!
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    • Profile picture of the author DABK
      Gerber's E-Myth Revisited book does wonders for people like you. Actually, for everybody. You might benefit even at this stage.


      Because it breaks down for people how to set up a business.


      Lots of people in your situation. I ran a business for 6 years, hundreds of thousands of revenue a year, 7 people working for me, and did not know a quarter of what I should have known. And did not know I did not know half of what I should have known.


      I was lucky, hard-working and stubborn, though. So, I made it work by working a lot harder than I needed to.


      Read Gerber's book. I know, you're busy. But I also know the info in it will make you less busy or, if you choose to stay as busy, you'll earn more.


      Originally Posted by Bkelly301 View Post

      Just to add to this thread based on my own personal experience...

      This may sound ridiculous to some. However, this is a result of simply just getting an idea and running with it, which is what I did back in 2015 and am still doing to this day.

      I never intended to be a "YouTuber", and therefore I had no clue about making thumbnail images, lighting, audio, etc. I was literally just recording videos from my crappy camera, using the built-in mic and my room lighting for my first 3 or 4 years. I didn't realize that I was doing anything "wrong" because I have never paid any attention to stuff such as "how to be a successful YouTuber". I only learned about lighting, audio and thumbnails after having people point it out to me (eg. "hey man, your lighting and audio sucks" or "dude, what's up with your sh***y thumbnail")

      I do believe that this may be the reason why to this day my subscriber count is much lower than many people think it should be. However, despite that I have still managed to make a full-time living using YouTube as my primary traffic source.

      Another example...

      I really never studied much "marketing". I literally just used to read Steve Pavlina's blog religiously because he is someone that I found that was doing what I wanted to be doing (run an internet business). I never knew about landing pages, squeeze pages, sales pages, funnels, email sequences, etc. It wasn't until I was already at the point where I was making money that I learned what many marketers would consider to be "the basics".

      I'm literally just now starting to understand the process of a setting up a proper sales funnel, because I am just now starting to get into using paid traffic....

      Imagine making over 6 figures a year for a few years straight not even knowing exactly what was meant by a "landing page" or how to use proper lighting for videos....ya that's me. I did that.

      I spent all my time focusing on producing the best content that I could, and I am just now after 7 years finally understanding "the fundamentals".

      Can you overthink something too much and not take action? Yes absolutely.

      Can you take massive action without ever learning the fundamentals of marketing and still achieve a reasonable amount of success? Yes, that is my story!
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      • Profile picture of the author Bkelly301
        Originally Posted by DABK View Post

        Read Gerber's book. I know, you're busy. But I also know the info in it will make you less busy or, if you choose to stay as busy, you'll earn more.
        I will definitely check that out. Thank you!
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    I am guilty of overthinking in my business. I overthink the smallest things:

    - Keywords to target
    - PPC bids to set
    - Videos to make per day
    - Whether to network with others
    - And so on

    At the end of the day i realize that if i spend the first 30 minutes of my day doing nothing, that's 30 minutes of free time that i could've been doing something else that adds value to my day.

    So i reach the conclusion every morning to just follow my pre-written marketing plan, run my ads, and go on with my day - trying not to think about anything.
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  • Profile picture of the author Princess Balestra
    Let's assoom there is a RIGHT ANSA to sumthin'.

    Where does thinkin' fit into this equation?

    If'n you gaht the right ansa, you don't gotta do nuthin' else.

    * Your intooition is in toon with the Caahsmaahs. *

    If'n you ain't gaht the right ansa, then you gotta figure sumthin' is amiss sumplace.

    An' here is when it pays to go anally forensic steada global.

    What is missin' here?

    What can't I see?

    What linkup point have I failed to smoochie on up?

    Discoverin' the gaps in your knowledge often moves you forward bettah than bashin' two dumb stones togethah to make a spark.

    Sumtimes you gotta jus' snort real carefully selected info.

    In an alternate yooniverse, this is WF's strapline.

    In an alternate yooniverse closer to home, the ideah chimps might hack out Shakespeah at random does violence to the chimps, the bard, an' most evrywan else.

    "Them monkeys overthought so much, a miracle happened before our eyes!"

    Minimal hassle exotic combinations transformin' us forevah are what we seek.

    But we nevah know this till'n we hit on the right ansas.

    That is why you gotta fill your brain an' soul with the glories of life's miraculatyoore.

    Jus' imagine for a sec if'n you were the ONE CHIMP figured Othello, an' you realised by 100% unaccident zackly what you done.

    Wouldn't you be real pissed you coulda spent your time dowin' SUMTHIN' ELSE?

    Deliberation has the advantage of naht bein' random, even if it is occasionally stoopid.
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  • Profile picture of the author art72
    Originally Posted by DWolfe View Post

    Saw two posts today on the forum today. They reminded me something I read by Gary Vee. One is a thread about giving away too much content for free. The other was from a member that waited to get started, till they learned enough about a subject. ( reading emails, buying courses etc.) Instead of learning by doing.

    Here is the question Do you agree or disagree with the statemen and why ?

    Posted from Gary Vee - "I think people overthink decisions in business.

    There's no time machine, there's no future machine - you'll never know what the alternative would have been.

    So just pick one and do it. Then, adjust if it doesn't work."

    https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update...2120645263360/

    (Note not calling anyone out. just introducing a topic for discussion)


    ABSOLUTELY! (*Guilty as charged!)



    There are several recent threads here that contain RETIREMENT LEVEL STRATEGIES... from brilliants minds!



    Honestly, I heard Jeff Walker (*video series pitching his next virtual PLF event) breaking down Toyota's new "psssttt... something big is coming - don't tell anyone" - marketing strategy (*That's my evaluation, not his, BTW) - but he used a Toyota campaign to pitch his EXPERTISE at launching funnels and building a buzz... pre-launch, he's genius, no doubt one of the best at launching digital products!



    But... "WE" are taught, programmed, influenced, (or all-thee-above) instructed NOT TO COPY or CHEAT on life's tests from an early age. Seems dirty or wrong to take someone else's lifelong skill sets and just replicate their ability, talents, or success... especially, when some of those people spent 50 years or more learning, researching, and developing their skills - and if they do well, they achieve success personally and financially.



    Meanwhile, what does a good teacher, emeritus, and genius do? - they teach, profess, and set examples for others! (*Also, very few of them can take full credit without having to pay homage to their mentors, coaches, instructors, teachers, employers, or whomever they acquired the knowledge and skill sets from.... there's a vast menu of people to THANK right there!)



    Most of us enter a JOB or ARENA as spectators... if we are inspired, encouraged, or find value in what we are observing, we may seek greater interests and want to LEARN that skill, talent, sport, knowledge, magic trick, formula, etc...



    If you asked me where I made the most money... my response would be building swimming pools for 25 years... roughly $2M - sounds like a lot, it wasn't! (*I did that with a shovel and a ½ a brain, lol) - it wasn't glamourous!



    When I entered that arena - somebody asked me if I would be interested in making a few bucks helping them out(?)... no application, no resume, no intention to make it a career... just "Hey, what's up - do you want to make some money today?"



    For most of us... that is life. Making money. But nobody taught the majority how to manage money, make real money, invest money, or prepare for the down times, economic down-turns, or recessions/depressions... as have been documented throughout history.



    Most of us learn through FAILURE... the HARD WAY!



    Few would knowingly continue on a FAILING PATH intentionally (Or So YOU WOULD THINK... although many do stay the course and suffer) until you heighten your awareness and look closer, as the fact is; most are on a FAILING PATH financially... numbers do not lie, people do!



    I acknowledged my pursuits were growing less and less stimulating (mentally, let alone financially) so I sought greater council. What else can YOU do?



    Try and tell me... you find NO intimidation for some of the genius minds here and their current/on-going success! - Not jealousy, envy, or some idolization... Moreover, RESPECT for those who manage their time, labor, energy, and RESOURCES like a chef at the Benihana with a spatula! With skill and precision. (*Not everyone can master those techniques.)



    Ever watch American Idol... some people just cannot (probably should not) sing out loud, let alone publicly, lol!



    At THINK at some point... the students, disciples, even employees need to SHIFT as Savidge (and several other here who) REPEATLY PREACH from this mindset... or risk being... FOREVER stuck in the LEARNING CURVE.

    DWolfe - You mention; LEARN while DOING... I agree 110% - I've never learned anything that matters without applying effort to actually do it.



    Savidge - mentions TEACH while Learning - which is nearly the same thing... (*I believe in documenting the journey - so when your PODS are producing - you already have the documentary built to TEACH others and probably make more teaching than doing later... that's wicked smart! - Exit Strategy!!!)



    But... I am still 50/50 on the go research someone or something and BE the EXPERT by teaching what you just learned...



    IF you are a wise student, by all means that is the WAY to ACHIEVEMENT...



    If you SUCK at it... and run off TEACHING the wrong methodology - you're a ______!!!! (*Fill in with your favorite expletive! *Not everyone should be teaching...



    So, I don't know... all of a sudden - I want to procure blueprints for cultivating (*which means educate - "educo" in Latin) more than ever in my life...



    Ideas = Ripe Seeds

    Rich Soil = Hungry Minds



    Seed people's minds first...



    But, playing in those arenas can make you or break you.



    Look at Jordan Peterson, I personally like his philosophies... in my opinion he is educated, successful, and he maintains empathy (wisdom) towards other people's well-being.



    But, in the interview below... he BREAKS - when he is confronted with the question; "So, how are you doing?" - That long awkward pause (*nearly 10 seconds... before he could produce a truthful answer!) - he BROKE DOWM on camera. (I don't think he was acting! - trying to help people is painful) Trying to love them - is equally as painful.



    WHY?



    Cultivator's want to FEED PEOPLE - Predator's want to ROB the STOREHOUSES...



    You almost have to be; "The Scarecrow" to fully grasp the Cultivator -VS- Predator dilemma (*or as I call it - The FALSE Dichotomy - duality!)



    If we EXAMINE from (3) sides... say; Positive - Negative - and Neutral



    Well in Neutral - Your still - you're not going anywhere! - But you can observe; The Positive and The Negative more clearly.



    In the Positive Position - You're Moving Forward - like LOA (*Law of Attraction) - chugging along like a train on the rails... Choo-Choo... All ABOARD!



    In the Negative - You're Going Down the Mountain in a Landslide - like AOL - "You Got Mail B*tch" and most of it is BILLS! - (They NEVER stop coming, do they?)



    So... once you hit the Cabbage Patch (pun intended) and you are bleeding before your loved ones, peers, and everyone you give a sh*t about... they THINK YOU ARE INSANE for exploring beyond the NORMAL (*whatever that is to you) - and they will do EVERYTHING in their POWER to tell you - Go GET A JOB - just be like us... and we can drown it, smoke it, or light it ablaze on Friday & Saturday nights... rest Sunday and do it again and again and again and again... mediocrity SUCKS!



    Some people like the consistency of it, I guess.



    Meanwhile, The Scarecrow (neutral observer - pinned to a cross) sees ALL... but, to INSTALL the BRAIN (*like The Wizard of Oz) is EXACTLY where most people SUFFER (*myself included) ... I don't think it's our job to scare away the predators, so much as to plant more seeds and cultivate more solutions.



    So, if you are not a predator... what options have you got?



    Mind - Body - Emotion (spirit if you prefer, your energies) cannot ALIGN if you are stuck in neutral, pinned to a cross, or like me... still sliding down the last mountain - trying to lick the wounds of failure, again, LOL!



    Getting back up... each time, becomes more and more brutal. The habits are exactly the same - the longer the habit exists - the harder it becomes to break the habit.



    Edison failed *10,000 times, big whoop - I have him beat 10-fold, LOL - and I am still trying to keep the eternal flame lit. (*I think we are supposed to pass that on to the next)



    You almost NEED to be STOIC - separate your emotions from business and separate business from your personal relationships/emotions... I SUCK at that, and I am fully-aware - you cannot sustain without BOTH positive/negative - but we can examine BEYOND DUALITY and see from a TRINARY MINDSET. (*As so not to get stuck in one of the TWO extremes of motion - sometimes we need to "turn off the engine, put it in neutral or park, and step away from the vehicle, momentarily" - like a cop giving advice to a drunk behind the wheel, so to speak!)

    Jordan Peterson Interview...
    https://youtu.be/3uLDin9A9pc
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  • Profile picture of the author spartan14
    Well people overthink decisioms as its too much information out there but sometimes it helps but sometimes its get you stuck and makes you unproductive and gets you stucl
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  • Profile picture of the author WF- Enzo
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    "Thought leaders" have overshared strategies and whatnot, so everyone's spending too much time overthinking decisions.



    Originally Posted by DWolfe View Post

    Posted from Gary Vee - "I think people overthink decisions in business.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shaktiktilar
    Totally agree with this statement. I believe that people have to do everything they can do in the particular moment, right now. There is no so much time to think about the alternatives of decisions and what will be in future, because if the business requires an urgent decision, then you have to do it. Of course, I can agree that businessmen and all the people who like to promote their goods and services must analyze all the risks before they make a decision, however risks don't corelate with the vital decisions at all.

    For example, if you have made a decision that your business change the direction, then it's all. There are only future and past. The past can't be changed, while the future is closed to us. We live and act in the moment, right in this moment. Mistakes make you stronger and if the decision was wrong, then you have to upgrade your skills in business.
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    There are many affiliates who sign up and don't do squat.
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  • Profile picture of the author DreamBuilderAF
    I often wondered if my philosophy degree would ever come in handy, actually it has quite a bit but here's what Aristotle said, "Action is the highest good." Aim for excellence but get out into the world, observe and learn as you go.

    Look at Apple, they release phone after phone with bug after bug, do they strive for perfection? No, they strive to get things onto the market and we, the customer, literally update the apps and software as we go.

    Focus on fulfilling peoples' needs and give them tools and encouragement to help them get where they want to go FOR THEMSELVES.

    Get info out there - you know stuff that others need to know but don't yet.
    Get building relationships - people do business with people that they know, like and trust.

    This stuff only happens when you STOP overthinking and START interacting.

    There is no perfect, there is only progress. Those are my 2 cents for now.

    Martin
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