After 15 years of trying still can't make any money online! Somebody HELP!

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I have tried and tried and tried program after program after over 15 years online and I still can't seem to make any money.

You name it and I have tried it. I am even on the first page of google with several of my websites. I good keywords and that's why I am on page 1 and in position 1 to 4 with those websites.

I have good software programs that I use to get on the first pages but I can't seem to convert any sales. I think that my content is pretty good too.

Can anyone suggest anything else that I can do to get some conversions and sales?

I am a CPA affiliate of 4 different CPA companies, a member of clickbank, Ebay, Google Adsense, Google Adwords and several more.

Any ideas or suggestions from the forum will work for me.

Oliver Allen
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  • Profile picture of the author SeanSupplee
    Take what you have learned and start creation some action plans. So many people spend time learning and never doing. You'll make money its nearly impossible not to. Go with one avenue first and go full first don't get yourself pulled in 100 different directions.
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  • Profile picture of the author hotftuna
    Wow, 15 years?

    What ever you are doing- stop doing it.

    Find one small way to make a few bucks profit. Once you find a way to do that, invest some time and money and increase scale.

    It sounds like you keep trying new things instead of focusing on one or two things.
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    • Profile picture of the author goindeep
      Originally Posted by hotftuna View Post

      Wow, 15 years?

      What ever you are doing- stop doing it.

      Find one small way to make a few bucks profit. Once you find a way to do that, invest some time and money and increase scale.

      It sounds like you keep trying new things instead of focusing on one or two things.
      Exactly, stop doing what you are currently doing, its clearly not working for you.

      In order for us to help, gives us the links to your sites so we can at least see what you are trying to monetize.

      Tell us a little bit about yourself too.
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      • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
        Originally Posted by Andrei Rotariu View Post

        Exactly, stop doing what you are currently doing, its clearly not working for you.
        i tend to agree. It took me a couple of years to try and learn many things and to finally get solid earnings going - but 15 is just way too long.
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        • Profile picture of the author GT
          Hi, Oliver:

          You have received many great comments and some very good advice.

          All I want to add here is a recommendation that you get your WF signature set up as soon as possible. Once you post your signature, including a link to your primary website (NOT an affiliate site) and your primary blog page, we will be able to check them out and offer additional advice.

          Another great reason for including a signature is that it is a FREE marketing method; marketers (in any forum or social networking site) who do not first set up their signature are walking past a great opportunity.

          Some aspiring marketers say, "It's too hard to figure out how to set up a signature," or "I don't have time right now." I know this may not be the case for you, Oliver, but for those who do fall into that category, I say they are not yet ready for marketing if they are not willing to do first things first. (Just my opinion.)

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            • Profile picture of the author ebizman87
              Originally Posted by MarkAndrews IMCopywriting View Post

              Check your inbox Oliver, a message
              is waiting there for you with a whole
              series of questions designed to find
              out what your ideal area of expertise
              is - your area of specialization.

              Take your time with it and come back
              to me when you are ready to do so.

              I won't try to sell you anything, don't
              worry.

              My only interest is helping you to get
              yourself on track.

              Best regards.


              Mark Andrews...
              You're a TRUE warrior mate!! You've just earned my respect.
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            • Profile picture of the author catherine ford
              Originally Posted by MarkAndrews IMCopywriting View Post

              Check your inbox Oliver, a message
              is waiting there for you with a whole
              series of questions designed to find
              out what your ideal area of expertise
              is - your area of specialization.

              Take your time with it and come back
              to me when you are ready to do so.

              I won't try to sell you anything, don't
              worry.

              My only interest is helping you to get
              yourself on track.

              Best regards.


              Mark Andrews...

              Oliver
              All I can say to you is go for that offer

              Mark knows what he is talking about and if

              hew offered that to me I would snatch his
              arm off

              Good luck you may have taken the first

              step to turn your Internet marketing life around
              Catherine
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        • Profile picture of the author vitalgirl
          Are you pre-selling your visitors to your offers? Are you getting them in a marketing funnel? What are your competitors selling? What are the 'hot buttons', the wants/needs of your market? Are you ranking for 'buying' keywords or info keywords? If it is info keywords, all isn't lost, but you'll need to work harder to get a return on them - give them what they want - which is more info. But do it after getting their email, and build a relationship with them. Or start building some new sites, try micro niches. There's some good threads here on the forum and I think it's hard NOT to make money with it.

          But yeah, I think you need to figure out what your traffic actually wants and find a way to give it to them/nudge them into realizing they need it. But understanding where they're at helps. And test different things. Test different landing pages of content, different offers, different products - split testing, taguchi testing, whatever.
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    • Profile picture of the author nota-bene
      Originally Posted by hotftuna View Post

      Wow, 15 years?

      What ever you are doing- stop doing it.

      Find one small way to make a few bucks profit. Once you find a way to do that, invest some time and money and increase scale.

      It sounds like you keep trying new things instead of focusing on one or two things.

      I could not agree more!
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Weren't you building a list at any point? I was going to say that your sales copy probably needed work but even if you were building a list and and your copy wasn't that good you would think that you'd get sales.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mya
    wow, after 15 years you should have found something paying BIG.
    Have you thought about creating your own product? Maybe that's something you should look into since nothing else has been working.
    Get to the top of google with your own product and you should be making better money
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  • Profile picture of the author samstephens
    My best recommendation: treat your online business just like you would an offline business.

    It's easy to get sidetracked online by going after the latest fad, and forgetting that you're actually running a business.

    That's the way to make consistant income now and in the future: treat it like real business, because that's exactly what it is.

    cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author John A Goodwin
    My advice would be, to read this forum, this is probably the best place to learn internet marketing. Also take a look at thirtydaychallenge.com

    I hope this will help you.
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      • Profile picture of the author niitesh
        Originally Posted by MarkAndrews IMCopywriting View Post

        Blimey matey, 15 years, maybe in
        your case it's just time to give up
        altogether and go get a job.

        I don't mean to sound harsh but
        this business isn't for everyone.

        If it's taken you this long not to
        make a bean, perhaps you seriously
        need to think about what and where
        your priorities are.

        There is no magic bullet - sad to say.

        Being in business for yourself isn't
        easy, it never was.

        If you havn't earned anything in 15
        years I highly doubt that you've got
        it within yourself to change that
        around anytime soon.

        Assuming that you are still determined
        to give it another go however, I'd tell
        you to dump absolutely every piece of
        knowledge that you've taken aboard to
        date...it's clearly not working for you.

        Time to get right back to the simple
        basics of business school and start
        over afresh all over again.

        Believe you me, this approach at least
        has a chance of working in your favour
        rather than employing the same old
        tactics which obviously have been
        failing you to date over and over
        again, all these years.

        I highly doubt anyone here can really
        help you, unless you pull your finger out
        and try a completely different approach.

        Sometimes you have to be cruel to be
        kind.

        Welcome to the Warrior Forum Oliver.

        Best of luck.


        Mark Andrews...

        You do sound harsh but you are absolutely right, 15 years is just very long period and you still don't seem to make anything out of it so better stop doing what you are and find something which suits your apptitude and way of thinking
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  • Profile picture of the author hotftuna
    "My advice would be, to read this forum, this is probably the best place to learn internet marketing."

    Good advice. With just 2 posts it seems that you are new to WF. I'm kinda new myself. Keep your money in your pocket until you find one idea that you think you can work.
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  • Profile picture of the author Avdo
    Originally Posted by Oliver Allen View Post

    I have tried and tried and tried program after program after over 15 years online and I still can't seem to make any money.

    You name it and I have tried it. I am even on the first page of google with several of my websites. I good keywords and that's why I am on page 1 and in position 1 to 4 with those websites.

    I have good software programs that I use to get on the first pages but I can't seem to convert any sales. I think that my content is pretty good too.
    Hey Alen, after reading this I must ask you : have you maybe forgot to put payment links on your websites?

    I'm just kidding, but I don't get it! You certainly must reconsider whole your work
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  • Profile picture of the author Richard A.Cox
    Well, you have achieved a notable success in that you have made 99% of the people frequenting this site feel better about themselves.
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    • Profile picture of the author FrankBowman
      Originally Posted by Richard A.Cox View Post

      Well, you have achieved a notable success in that you have made 99% of the people frequenting this site feel better about themselves.

      you certainly have the mind of a marketer
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  • Profile picture of the author tush
    What are you promoting? Where are your websites? If you are ranking well, then that means that you have some decent traffic. Maybe if we saw your sites, we might see why they are not converting.....
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  • Profile picture of the author Shana_Adam
    Why not spend 1 year focusing on only one project. 10 different projects will dilute your efforts with none of them coming into full fruition.

    Also the amount of resources and manpower needed to make it a success maybe too much of a burden for one person. With outsourcing nowadays you can easily create a successful business.

    Focus on one project - get some income rolling in and only then move on!
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    And the OP might be a typical example of "over-thinking", he must have tried "complicated" things which ultimately never worked. The truth is that the BASICS are so simple, respective CAN be simple.

    Look at the forum(s)..what people report how they make money. Look at REAL people and NOT some marketer's pitch-sales blahblah who wants to sell you some "method". And yes, drop EVERYTHING you did in the last 15 years.
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    • Profile picture of the author JulioGarabot
      I am very new in IM about two month and I already made over 1000 Dollars, so I do not understand how in 15 years you have not made any money.
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  • Profile picture of the author netmarketer21
    I have only been in the IM game for a few months, but I commend your drive to make this work. Most people give up after a couple of months without making money. You have the motivation to make it work. This is the one thing that most others lack and keeps them from making money. It sounds like you have a good grasp on SEO, so the problem may be a minor one that is keeping your traffic from converting. You have made a good decision by coming to the WF. I suggest revealing your sites to some of the resident experts here to see if you can tweak your sites to get them raking in some cash. Good luck to you and God Bless. Please keep us updated.
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Ames
    The good thing is you never give up it seems.
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    • Profile picture of the author Scott Ames
      Originally Posted by hawaiikandclickbankpirate View Post

      Hi Oliver,

      This is working for me! Clickbank Pirate is an Automated TurnKey System, you don't need a website or products. Best of all the hard work "marketing" is all done for you.

      Email me if your interested, and I can send you a free info. on how this works, and it is really brilliant!!

      Kind Regards,
      Hawaiikandy
      Holy cow.. Is that an affiliate link? How can they use the image of Johnny Depp and get away with it? http://cbpirate.com/index.php
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Fullman
      Originally Posted by hawaiikandclickbankpirate View Post

      Hi Oliver,

      This is working for me! Clickbank Pirate is an Automated TurnKey System, you don't need a website or products. Best of all the hard work "marketing" is all done for you.

      Email me if your interested, and I can send you a free info. on how this works, and it is really brilliant!!

      Kind Regards,
      Hawaiikandy
      I think you need to read the rules, I'm sorry to say.

      Steve

      EDIT: Scott, you beat me to it...as always!
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      • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
        Yes, clickbank pirate. That should fix 15 years right up, cure world hunger, and put piles in my bank while I sleep.

        Thanks.
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        • Profile picture of the author scrofford
          Originally Posted by avenuegirl View Post

          Yes, clickbank pirate. That should fix 15 years right up, cure world hunger, and put piles in my bank while I sleep.

          Thanks.
          HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You crack me up Jill!
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            • Profile picture of the author Liam Hamer
              Originally Posted by MarkAndrews IMCopywriting View Post

              Far from being a troll, this gentleman
              is obviously highly intelligent, judging
              by the email I've just received from
              him.

              I'll try and encourage him to update
              this thread a little later...right now
              I'm bang in the middle of another
              task which will take a few hours
              yet to complete.


              Mark Andrews...
              I hope he's grateful for all the time people have taken to help him out
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  • Profile picture of the author stevenhayes101
    I feel your pain. I am just starting and sheesh it seems like the more i do the wore i get. I been at #3 and #6 for about a month then over night I got bumped to #13 and #15 with over 800 back links and update 2 or 3 times a day. Someone passed me who has not updated since Nov 22 with only 8 back links. I am tried of spending over 8 hours a day just writing articles and posting to all 83 sites linking back to my landing page. Read my post to get more of my problems with this.
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  • Profile picture of the author bocaj
    After 15 years. I say, just stop everything you were doing but don't forget what you did. And start fresh all over again, With that 15 years you should have some knowledge on the different things you learned and tried doing which would help you more in the future when doing it, from have doing it.

    I think one of your biggest challenges you've been having is not having a certain routine. You don't want to mix up everything together when trying to figure out Internet Marketing, I think doing a little bit of research on top Internet/Affiliate marketing products and find one within your range and pick up what this person is trying to offer and kinda just build up from there. Trying finding which best technique you feel best comfortable with and try working it out. Remember all these guys teach there own strategy... so find one in which you feel cool with. And you can do all the research all right here on the Warrior Forums, trust me this place is one of the greatest and really could be all you really need.


    Keep an eye out around here to see whats new & hotttt.


    As far of your sites, i mean dude that seems just about where you want to be. And what most of us around here try the hardest to do..

    If its your conversions that's not handling right..
    Try looking into some copy-writing. Find some books and get a little more familiar with it.

    &

    another way to kinda help out your conversions and sales. Try throwing together some content,ebooks, good stuff that can benefit the people getting it and add it on your sales page explaining how they can get your free bonuses just for buying the one from you..

    But just always remember, try and point them into the right direction in whatever niche you are in.. Build a list and help out any time you can.


    Good Luck with everything,

    ` Jake
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  • Hi Oliver
    WOW you are sure a persistant little trooper.
    It took Sara & I (3) years to figure out how to make conversions for our sites.
    Are you using articles to promote your sites??
    That is what changed our whole life on the Internet.

    Just PM us if we can help...
    JerDon & Sara
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    • Profile picture of the author boaterscott
      I think many people can relate to your struggle. What helped me get the ball rolling was Google Pay Per Click. I started getting sales, although after it was all said and done, I probably lost a bit of money, but I started growing my list. This has been where the money started coming in.
      I was willing to lose money (a little money) in order to build a decent sized list. We need more details to help you...
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      • Profile picture of the author genietoast
        Don't feel bad. The MLM lady, Ann Sieg, 19 years in MLM and she made no money. Now, she's a rich you-know-what. People taught her wrong on purpose. That made her angry, and now one of the biggest go-to authority figures on MLM. But this is not MLM.

        You've run into too many products, like me, that have a skill over here, then a skill over there. There's like no sense of order in the IM world. People tell you, get a plan together. Ha! How are you supposed to know where to start?

        You want to talk to guy who was so freaking frustrated but ended up richer than you-know-what.

        ChrisFarrellMembership.com.

        Not an affiliate link. You'll be glad you took a look.
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  • Profile picture of the author nicholasb
    maybe you should stp trying product after product, find a goood solid and proven business model and stick with it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Janet Sawyer
    Originally Posted by Oliver Allen View Post

    I have tried and tried and tried program after program after over 15 years online and I still can't seem to make any money.

    You name it and I have tried it. I am even on the first page of google with several of my websites. I good keywords and that's why I am on page 1 and in position 1 to 4 with those websites.

    I have good software programs that I use to get on the first pages but I can't seem to convert any sales. I think that my content is pretty good too.

    Can anyone suggest anything else that I can do to get some conversions and sales?

    I am a CPA affiliate of 4 different CPA companies, a member of clickbank, Ebay, Google Adsense, Google Adwords and several more.

    Any ideas or suggestions from the forum will work for me.

    Oliver Allen

    So Oliver, You've been online since 1994, is that online "aka" having a computer and an intertnet connection" ?

    To make sales, you need to resource what is searched for the most.
    Those are the hungry market buyers, guess what, at this time of year it's Christmas presents for - "infants" "toddlers" "10 year olds" Parents, Grandparents..... whatever, catch my drift? But you needed to have done this last year to see what might be the same this year.
    Nothing much changes, keep ahead of new trends with each age group.


    I guess the old addage rings true, find a hungry market.

    For Seniors, it's now how to stay independant for as long as they need to.
    For New Parents, it's how to manage the work/life/baby scenario.
    For Older Parents, it's how to get the college/University funding they need, for their Children etc.

    Hope that helps, kindest regards.

    Janet
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr.Cash
    15 years?!...seriously is this a wind up? In all honesty if you had found one keyword in your 15 years and wrote an article that linked to a product you would have made some money...
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    • Profile picture of the author Emily Meeks
      Originally Posted by Mr.Cash View Post

      15 years?!...seriously is this a wind up? In all honesty if you had found one keyword in your 15 years and wrote an article that linked to a product you would have made some money...
      To his credit, the Internet has vastly evolved over the course of 15 years. What worked in 1994 won't necessarily work now.

      With that in mind, it's time to start over COMPLETELY.

      To be brutally honest, I think with 15 years there is something deeper going on that actually has nothing to do with Internet Marketing. Success in this business is only about 10% technicality (building websites, driving traffic, etc) and 90% mentality. You need to be in the right place physically, mentally and emotionally for this.

      Physically? Take care of your body. When you are not healthy your entire being is impacted.

      Mentally? Drive, determination, focus.

      Emotionally? The ability to deal with setbacks, but also to deal with SUCCESSES. That's right, your successes. It may seem like a no brainer, but many, many people are afraid of actually getting what they want.

      If I had to do everything again, there are just two investments I would make:

      1.) The War Room. One lifetime investment for invaluable information. Many people give away their WSOs in there, and others help you out of the kindness of their hearts.

      2.) 5 Steps by Tristan Bull. Tristan Bull is on the WF and a buddy of mine - and while I knew he was successful, I had no idea just how successful, and how he views life and helps others with their own views. Check out his website, InnerWealthAwakening.com, and invest in his 5 steps program. This is NOT about money-making, per se, but the mindset and development needed to get you to that point.

      I've never bought any other self-development course and I don't need to. Don't just listen though - apply what he teaches, every day, and it will do WONDERS for you.

      I hope you take this to heart, my friend. Best wishes and Good luck
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      • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
        Originally Posted by moneysoapbox View Post

        Check out his website, InnerWealthAwakening.com, and invest in his 5 steps program. This is NOT about money-making, per se, but the mindset and development needed to get you to that poin
        Nothing against Tristan, and nothing against "A Mindset" and positive thinking.

        But..to be honest, sometimes this sounds like "New Age blah-blah" to me.

        It doesn't need a Newage mindset and Zen meditation to get started well in IM, for example with such simple things like Article Marketing..things which have OVER AND OVER proven that they work.

        All you need is a couple of products from clickbank and the ability to write some simple 350ish wds articles (respective outsourcing), and some simple landing page(s), either self-made or downloadable templates.

        Its NOT rocket science, all it takes is consistency and maybe a few tries which product(s) work and work not...and then keep going, submitting, hire writers. It also can't hurt to learn some basic keyword research.

        This alone could make you a living..i am not talking about 6 figures/month nonsense...but a few thousands RELATIVELY EASILY.

        The basics what to do you can get on some lazy afternoon just looking over some forums, here and some other places...and as said..the rest is just DOING it. No "investment" needed, nothing, you don't need a PhD and you don't need "coaching" since a 12 y/o can do it, some do actually.
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        • Profile picture of the author USGTMauthor
          Wow, something is wrong. I am no expert but before I knew about this forum I wrote an ebook and put it on payloadz and ran classified ads on craigslist and other free sites. I made $100 bucks and it was a $5 product. Now I know I can't retire but I had some preliminary success.

          So I think you need to start with a very basic business model and get it working to some level, any level and then figure out how to scale it up. In my view you can improve revenue with combinations or either more products or more promotions.
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        • Profile picture of the author Emily Meeks
          Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

          Nothing against Tristan, and nothing against "A Mindset" and positive thinking.

          But..to be honest, sometimes this sounds like "New Age blah-blah" to me.

          It doesn't need a Newage mindset and Zen meditation to get started well in IM, for example with such simple things like Article Marketing..things which have OVER AND OVER proven that they work.

          All you need is a couple of products from clickbank and the ability to write some simple 350ish wds articles (respective outsourcing), and some simple landing page(s), either self-made or downloadable templates.

          Its NOT rocket science, all it takes is consistency and maybe a few tries which product(s) work and work not...and then keep going, submitting, hire writers. It also can't hurt to learn some basic keyword research.

          This alone could make you a living..i am not talking about 6 figures/month nonsense...but a few thousands RELATIVELY EASILY.

          The basics what to do you can get on some lazy afternoon just looking over some forums, here and some other places...and as said..the rest is just DOING it. No "investment" needed, nothing, you don't need a PhD and you don't need "coaching" since a 12 y/o can do it, some do actually.
          Not really. A complete athiest/nonbeliever could do it without feeling like it's "New Age crap". There are a couple things in there a few people might not agree with, I'll give you that, but the advice given is really practical and useful.

          It's more of psychological benefits than anything.

          If you unconsciously feel you're not gonna get anywhere, then guess what... you're not. Most people don't consciously think "I can't do this" but things like low self-esteem, not dealing with emotional issues, etc., keep them from moving forward.

          After 15 years I don't think "just do some Article Marketing" is going to cut it.

          Ever feel mental roadblocks? Ever feel like you're "just spinning wheels", or that simple tasks are hard to get started? It's frustrating. Some people need more help than being told to "just do it".
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    • Profile picture of the author Wealthyclark
      It seems that most people responding missed the part where he said his sites are ranking on page 1 some even #1.

      Oliver, if your ranking numbers are typical maybe we can help each other out. I can write some pretty good sales copy if you can do some of the seo as you have in the past....

      I must admit 15 years with no luck on top of your sites having good rankings seems a little fishy. Do the sites get traffic or are they just bad keywords?
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      • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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        Originally Posted by Wealthyclark View Post

        It seems that most people responding missed the part where he said his sites are ranking on page 1 some even #1.
        Yeah, but what he neglected to say was whether he was ranking on page one for any keywords people are searching for. After 15 years of making no money, I'm guessing he isn't.
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        • Profile picture of the author Anoopchawla
          Man listen to me real close by having your website on page 1 for some nice keywords you have done 75% of work which most of the newbies fail to do. Now the only thing that might be holding you back is good presell copy that means the only thing you need to improve on is copywritting after all Im in 3 steps is Product-->Traffic-->conversion that is it, no rocket science.
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          • Profile picture of the author Ralf Skirr
            I wonder if the OP is a joke, some kind of ironic post about some people's mindset.

            Did you guys see he did not respond to any of your suggestions or questions?

            Think about it: It is literally IMPOSSIBLE to have page1 rankings in google, have adsense on the page and make zero money. Definitely impossible.

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            • Profile picture of the author John Atkins
              Originally Posted by Ralf Skirr View Post

              I wonder if the OP is a joke, some kind of ironic post about some people's mindset.

              Did you guys see he did not respond to any of your suggestions or questions?

              Think about it: It is literally IMPOSSIBLE to have page1 rankings in google, have adsense on the page and make zero money. Definitely impossible.

              Ralf

              You beat me to it.

              Also, do you guys remember these kind of threads:

              "How do I make money"
              "Show me how to make $100 daily"
              "Show me how to get rich online"


              I say this thread is one of those threads, only this time,
              the OP took a different approach.

              A "how do I make money online" thread with a twist! lol
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            • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
              Originally Posted by Ralf Skirr View Post

              Think about it: It is literally IMPOSSIBLE to have page1 rankings in google, have adsense on the page and make zero money. Definitely impossible.
              I have one keyword phrase which returns 1,980,000 pages in Google. I have the #1, #2, #3 and #4 spots for it.

              I am pretty sure I've never made a dime with that keyword phrase, not even from AdSense.

              The reason is, of course, that no one ever searches for that term. In fact, you'd probably have to be a bit nuts to even think of it.

              So, you can definitely have top spots and not make money.

              Of course, that may be rare, but definitely not impossible.
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          • Profile picture of the author Oliver Allen
            Your point is well taken. I'm thinking that I need to rework my landing page content.

            Thanks,

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  • Profile picture of the author TheMagicShow
    15 years is an awful long time to fail. Look into other avenues for income, don't waste anymore of your time.
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  • Profile picture of the author jazbo
    15 years to find a huge marketing forum to ask in?

    Cripes, think you might need a fresh career.

    You also mention "programs" like you are purely doing things you have found. I gave up on that after about a week and instead spent time creating serious, quality products of my own to sell.

    Is there any area of expertise you have that you could create your own product from?
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Brock
    First off, classify to us what you mean by not making any money online.

    You havent made a cent in 15 years? Or you aren't rich after 15 years?

    It sounds like to me you are doing this as a hobby, and not as a business. You mention you have tried every program on the market...

    That is your main problem.

    You are trying and moving on. Stick with ONE program. That's how you make money.

    It's like saying you took 20 martial arts but you still can't defend yourself. If all you are doing is spending a day training each method and moving on, you are still useless.

    If you spend 20 years working on one martial art, you will be effective.

    The same goes with IM.
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  • Profile picture of the author Erik Ortega
    I'd spend the next hour or two coming up with 100 niche ideas that are buyer focused...things that you can become an affiliate for that people would like to buy... of those 100, choose 10 that you really like and do the keyword research for them.

    Find a keyword and create simple blogs for each of those specific keywords with informative information and LSI keywords. Once your page is ranking, then put in your affiliate links...rinse and repeat!
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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    Oliver,

    First off, I'd like to say that I really have to admire your persistence and determination in not giving up and pursuing what is obviously very important to you.

    On the other hand, it seems like you've gone through a prolonged learning process where you've probably been doing a lot more learning than implementing, and that has got to stop. In addition to that, I'm pretty sure whatever efforts you've put into IM have been diluted in many different directions due to the multitude of courses/software that you've been getting. Think of the 'magnifying glass' effect where the sun's rays can be concentrated by a magnifying glass to the point where it can burn grass - you need to concentrate your efforts into just one project at a time like this, I feel like this is the way forward for you.

    Regarding your existing sites, don't just flail around in despair, you have to approach what you're doing methodically and examine each aspect individually. You say that you have several websites ranking high on Google, are they ranking for 'buying' keywords? Ask yourself if people typing in your keywords are actually in a buying type of mindset when doing their searches? If you say your website has good content, then examine how you're monetizing it.... is it clear to the visitor what you want them to do? Are you putting up relevant Ads and products to offer your audience? You have to examine the Traffic and Conversion aspects in isolation, and try to improve them. Obviously something is not clicking; don't just mope around in despair, half the battle is in testing and tracking things. Have you done any split tests? You should definitely do that since you seem to be attracting a fair amount of traffic from Google.

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    • Profile picture of the author midasman09
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      1) Download a free copy of Photostory3 and become familiar with it.

      2) Go to a local restaurant site that has photos of the interior and plates of food and save the photos in a file.

      3) Make a PS3 Video of the photos using a music theme that goes with the cuisine and put the video on YouTube.

      4) Phone the restaurant owner or manager and tell them to go take a look at the video you made of their restaurant.

      5) When they phone back and ask, "How much?"....tell them $500.

      6) After 3 or 4 sales you can up your price.

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  • Profile picture of the author Patricia1
    Oliver, after 15 years full marks for persistence. Sounds like your suffering from a typical IM problem...information and new product overload.

    Either that or Ralf is absolutely right...you're full of irony. Could be worse!
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  • Profile picture of the author dtrainer
    I think the expression: "Content is the King" can be applied to your websites. You should compare your competitors and find out why they are better than you.
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    • Profile picture of the author dtrainer
      You are probably doing too many things at once. Focus on one product or maybe two but not more.
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    • Profile picture of the author jollyjcb
      Read More article related to interner marketing
      As everyone said focus on one thing ,sure you will be start earning soon
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    • Profile picture of the author Eric Lorence
      If you started around 1995, and built just one site that has been live and is that old...

      That site alone would probably be worth 5 figures or more...

      I hate to say it, but after 14 years, you should probably look at other types of businesses.

      Not everyone is cut out for this.
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    • Profile picture of the author Oliver Allen
      Point well taken but I have already studied other websites with the same keywords to see what kind of content there was.

      It looks like I need to do a little more research of keyword like websites to learn some additional ideas.

      Thanks for your input.

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    • Profile picture of the author JoeHughes
      You have had some success in getting first page rankings for a number of keywords so you have learnt some useful skills along the way.

      It seems to me that you are not connecting to your audience. It seems like you need some copywriting help.

      Also focus on the 2 or 3 sites that are getting you the most visitors and get them to $100 a week then expand. Until then just focus.
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    • Profile picture of the author AnthonyWilson
      Wow 15 years and no luck, but well done for not giving up.

      One thing that stares me straight in the face is that you have no signature file on your post? Maybe you have your reasons but this seems like such a fundamental mistake and I wonder if you are making any others?

      There might just be one little piece of the jigsaw that is preventing everything coming together for you so don't give up.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    I havent read every reply in this thread but the first thing you need to do right now is....

    FIND A MENTOR!
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  • Profile picture of the author sdentrepreneur
    When you start treating a Internet Business...like a real business...you can start making money. You need a Profit and Loss sheet, spend money on marketing and be proud of what you do.

    This may offend some....but I am not a big fan of selling affiliates, chasing from one niche to the next. Same with most of the MLM's, pitching the next juice, potion or pill to your list, once again, bouncing around from one MLM to the next. Kills your credibility.

    The best way to make money online right now is to sell Internet Education. It's a product and service that most people are looking for. Do you have any idea how many people who are under employed, lost their job or want to make a career change will be coming online for Internet Education over the next 10+ years?
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  • Profile picture of the author Creative Thinker
    Impossible. You may not be a millionaire yet, but you ARE DEFINITELY MAKING SOME MONEY.
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  • Profile picture of the author KristiDaniels
    15 years? In one sitting?

    I think your first task is to take a break.

    Then since you survived for 15 years without any Internet income, I think you should look at your source of income.

    Most people are doing Internet marketing because they want a source of auto-pilot income.

    If you have been sitting at a computer trying to do IM for the last 15 years and are still alive, then you had some source of auto-pilot income that allowed you to have someone serve you food and water and change your clothes, etc. Your rent or mortgage and your power and Internet bills were paid all without you doing anything since you were spending all of your time trying to do Internet marketing.

    That is the dream. Forget about Internet marketing. Just keep doing whatever it was that allowed you to sit at a computer for 15 years and still earn enough money to meet your needs.

    Or you could stop exaggerating and take an honest look at what you have actually done and what has actually worked and didn't work. You could look at how much time you actually spent on IM and how closely you actually followed the steps of the systems you tried. You could decide if you actually spent enough focused time on any one project to really rule out that system.

    It's up to you. Either way, it sounds like you have it all worked out.
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  • Profile picture of the author entrepreneurjay
    Maybe it has something to do with the products you are promoting. You should rethink what your selling, is it something you would buy? Start an email list that is very important in any business, the money is in the list, I use aweber they are very good. Once you start making a few sales scale it up from there! Stick with the products that are actually selling, and making you money.
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  • Profile picture of the author trilogy09
    hey oliver,
    it is upsetting to hear your story, but that doesn't mean that you should necessarily lay down and give up. Chances are, you are just missing something VERY IMPORTANT in your online business. Like a few of the other posters here have said, it sounds like you have kinda went from one thing to the next without going "all-out" on one at a time and then moving up and on. Here is my personal advice: START OVER! I know that sounds hard but i think you need to scratch everything you know and tried, and re-learn. I have found some of the greatest internet marketing training on the web that could really show you where you need to get started and might even cause you to realize within minutes why you have no succeeded yet. You need to start slow and BUILD yourself a business that compounds on itself and is bound to make you money.
    Good Luck
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  • Profile picture of the author NyceGuy
    One thing I am wondering is, did you ever use a mentor, or a coach at any point in those 15 years?

    Some people just need a manual and off they go. Some have to be directed every step of the way and supervised close-at-hand.
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  • Profile picture of the author eaglechick
    I agree with Ralf something is a little "off" here. Rather offer advice and help to someone who really wants to be helped. You can bring a horse to the water but you cannot make it drink!! Sorry - but I think you're not taking IM seriously and just fool around.

    Mark you're an absolute star for offering your help - but I really think your effort and time will be wasted.
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  • Profile picture of the author dsmpublishing
    Hi guys

    if you have been at it for this long and havent made a profit sell your websites and start again. Instead of going straight in with your own websites start off slowly with affiliate marketing until you are good at it and concentrate on your income streams.

    Once you have 1 income stream that works duplicate it over and over again until you have a wage that is worth having.

    Its nice of you to come on here and admit it as not many people would do so.

    Create your plan of action and stick to it.

    kind regards


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  • Profile picture of the author ebookdaddy
    Hi Oliver, WOW 15 years huh?
    Maybe you should be doing business offline instead of online. Listen; if you have the ability to bring your web-page to a number one ranking on Google for a chosen keyword, then you can make money.

    Take your expertise offline and start selling SEO services to local business owners. It should be quite easy for you to make hundreds if not thousands of dollars in less than a month's time.
    All you have to do is some simple research to find local business owners who have a website.

    Once you do this you can go online and see what kind of traffic if any they are getting. If you see they are not getting any traffic setup an appointment and just show them your No.1 ranking site. Tell them you can do the same for them and there you go. "You've Just Made Some Money"

    Anyway, good luck to you my friend and do let us know what you decided to do.
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  • Profile picture of the author JK Nyerere
    Originally Posted by Oliver Allen View Post

    I have tried and tried and tried program after program after over 15 years online and I still can't seem to make any money.

    You name it and I have tried it. I am even on the first page of google with several of my websites. I good keywords and that's why I am on page 1 and in position 1 to 4 with those websites.

    I have good software programs that I use to get on the first pages but I can't seem to convert any sales. I think that my content is pretty good too.

    Can anyone suggest anything else that I can do to get some conversions and sales?

    I am a CPA affiliate of 4 different CPA companies, a member of clickbank, Ebay, Google Adsense, Google Adwords and several more.

    Any ideas or suggestions from the forum will work for me.

    Oliver Allen
    You are in luck.

    Stop buying every offer that comes to your inbox. If you focus on just 1 good method for a year, you should be making enough to cover your salary. You should check out this program http://www.fatcatblueprint.com.

    It was designed specifically for people just like you and it is the best money making blueprint I have come across in recent years.

    JKN
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  • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
    Why is the Warrior Forum still so vulnerable to forum trolls anyway? C'mon folks, this is a deliberate thread to generate ideas, probably to create a "report" from. 2 posts, utter nonsensical thread and no replies.

    I don't even know why I'm wasting MY time here! Probably to save someone else's time I guess.
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    • Profile picture of the author Hesaidblissfully
      Originally Posted by Nick Brighton View Post

      Why is the Warrior Forum still so vulnerable to forum trolls anyway? C'mon folks, this is a deliberate thread to generate ideas, probably to create a "report" from. 2 posts, utter nonsensical thread and no replies.

      I don't even know why I'm wasting MY time here! Probably to save someone else's time I guess.
      The more goodhearted the forum members, the more trollable they are, unfortunately.
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    • Profile picture of the author Liam Hamer
      Originally Posted by Nick Brighton View Post

      Why is the Warrior Forum still so vulnerable to forum trolls anyway? C'mon folks, this is a deliberate thread to generate ideas, probably to create a "report" from. 2 posts, utter nonsensical thread and no replies.

      I don't even know why I'm wasting MY time here! Probably to save someone else's time I guess.
      I don't know if the OP is for real or not, who knows? My issue with this thread is that he hasn't even bothered to acknowledge the replies, let alone thank anyone for offering words of advice and encouragement. Not to mention, he only has 2 posts. I posted a similar thread yesterday, with a much less dramatic title and am very grateful for all the feedback and advice I got. I'd also be lying if I said I wasn't a little miffed that this one has almost 3 times as many replies. It's just gone midnight, is now my birthday so for once I'm going to act a little brattish and link to it, and ask if anyone wants to add anything to it, to please do so :p

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...me-advice.html
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  • I have never tried anybodys program and I've always made money online.

    It's not about what other people can do it's about what you can do.

    And if you want to make money what YOU CAN DO... is stop doing what you are doing and START taking the perspective of your VISITORS!

    Marketing is not about you, it's about your visitors. So until you figure that part out you won't make money. This is why some people struggle for years and make nothing and others jump on board and start making money right away.

    What can you offer your visitor?
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  • Profile picture of the author TelegramSam
    Dear Oliver,

    Don't hate me for this, but have you thought about just finishing with IM.

    Perhaps it just isn't for you.

    If after 15 years, lots of work and study and you can't make any money, then why keep banging your head against a brick wall.

    Life just isn't meant to be lived that way.

    At the very least, take a break and decide what you really want to do in life.

    Sam
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  • Profile picture of the author Marhelper
    I would try and step away for a while. Do some soul searching and find out what you love to do then find out how to make a living do it.
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  • Profile picture of the author matthad
    i was the same till i came across a niche that i did well in. i focused on that and kept expanding it every month.
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    I am wondering if Internet was
    popular 15 years ago? I am thinking
    internet business became a serious
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  • Profile picture of the author simmonsmike7
    Fine a website already working, go into the same niche, build a converting site and get lots of traffic to it - you must have picked that up in one of those courses
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    • Profile picture of the author a_perez
      Search for Bryan Zimmerman and Jeremy Kelsall here on the WF, RIGHT NOW. Read their posts and threads. Buy their products. They will lead you down the path to success. If it wasn't for them I would still be lost.

      PS - There are many others. But I am new here and I've learned the most from them so far.

      Good luck my friend.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kylerudy
    I'm not talking about advertising or affiliate marketing or selling your junk on eBay. Those are so last millennium! I'm talking about the new new economy.
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  • Profile picture of the author LauriNiskasaari
    You`ve must have heard the "money is in the list" phrase?

    I suggest you start building yourself opt-in list and que some follow up messages with your recommendations.

    If you have sites no1 in google you should be getting subscribers pretty easily.
    just get yourself a good autoresponder and go for it...

    15 years without making money...Oh man...that kinda sucks if you ask me...

    But never give up! You`re going to make it sooner or later!

    -Lauri
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  • Profile picture of the author drew51
    Jeez 15 yrs, and I have just rejoined the forum!! your scaring the beejeezus outa me,
    but alway's remember ''God loves a ''tryer'' and you really are Trying!!!!
    (no offence)
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  • Profile picture of the author Oliver Allen
    To all the warriors who posted a reply to my post. Thank all of you so very much for giving me your advice and suggestions. Your responses have just been overwhelming. I really didn't expect this kind of response.

    I have received over 90 replies as of today and I read all of them. It took me until today to read them all. And more replies are still coming in.

    I am truly inspired by all of your advice whether was that I find something else to do or whether some of you applauded me for sticking with it for so long.

    Actually I was reluctant to even post my original message because I was a little embarrassed to reveal it to anyone. Well it's out and now I'm glad that I did.

    Well even after all this time that I spent trying to make money online I still can't give up and I won't give up because I know that this will work because I have seen it time and time again including the successes that I have seen here at WF.

    And on top of that I have learned to much to give all the knowledge that I gotten to give it all up.

    I have taken each and every one of your suggestions and advice to heart and I respect every one of them.

    Some of you have offered that I send you a PM for more details about what I am doing so you can advise but I am not allowed to PM anyone yet because I don't have enough posts here in the forum. Thank you for your offers anyway. I have to figure another way to contact you.

    Actually I have made $56 with click bank over this time period so I guess all has not been in vain, right?

    I want to give you a few of the websites that I have created that I have been able to get listed on the first page of google and maybe you can give me some advice as to what I might need to do to get conversions.

    I have used a special type of software that optimizes my websites so that I can be indexed and listed on the first page in a day or two.

    Speaking of keywords. I use keyword search tools to find good keywords.

    I try to choose the keywords that have a lot of searches, i.e. 10,000 plus per month and minimal competition. Actually I'm not too particularly concerned with the competition because of the optimization tool that I use.

    So after some of you take a look at my websites maybe you can give me some ideas as to what I might need to do to maximize conversions.

    I am not allowed to show any of my website links because I don't have enough posts in the forum here so I can't show any.

    Once I post this message I will have 20 posts listed at WF. I will post my websites in the next post.

    (Note that all my websites have the keyword in the url and the title)

    Please give me your suggestions whether good or bad, I can take it. Note: I am open to JV for a win/win situation.

    Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all Forum Warriors

    Sincerely,

    P.S. F.Y.I. I have had my own architectural design business for a little over 30 years but as all of you know the real estate market almost went belly up and all of my clients went with it so for the past 15 years+ I have been studying IM to establish some extra income.

    Oliver Allen
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  • Profile picture of the author oZestretch
    You mentioned you earned $56 on clickbank. Is it possible your account is now dormant and you are no longer receiving commissions?

    Of course, this does not explain several CPA accounts, and google accounts and the sundries.

    A question, do you have all the companies products advertised/promoted on one site? Is it possible your site appear to be a bill board?

    Am certainly a noobie to this game myself, but this thread has given me several ideas to simplify and grow my (relatively infant) business.

    Thanks for posting a thought/idea provoking post!

    Adam
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    • Profile picture of the author Gnarx
      It might be because I have been up all night, but where are the sites you mentioned you were going to show us for advice...

      Also it just dawned on me that there are people making livings off of IM who were not even born yet when you started. Hell of a world!
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  • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
    If you have been "trying" to make money online for 15 years and still haven't made a dime, there are some major personal issues you have that need to be worked out.

    I don't know exactly what they are, but I have a feeling you lack self confidence and belief in yourself.

    You also have an inadequate self image (ISI - thanks Joe Karbo!)

    You are afraid of success.

    You make decisions slow and change them fast where as successful people make decisions fast and change them slow.

    You lack a definite plan.

    And the list goes on. I think you get my point.

    NONE OF THESE GREAT PROVEN INTERNET MARKETING STRATEGIES WILL WORK FOR YOU IF YOU'RE NOT MENTALLY READY TO START SUCCEEDING!!!

    Think I am crazy?

    Well, why in the last 15 years have tens of thousands, maybe ever hundreds of thousands of OTHER people found success online and not you?

    Are they smarter than you? Probably not. If they are, it's not by much.

    Are they more capable than you? I doubt it.

    Do they know something you don't know? You have been an aspiring online marketer longer than just about everyone in this very forum.

    So what's your problem?

    YOU ARE YOUR PROBLEM. You can't get out of your own way because your thought process is keeping you from achieving any success.

    And all you have been doing for 15 years is trying!!

    Napoleon Hill says the word "try" is basically another way of saying fail.

    If you try anything, all you are doing is trying and not succeeding.

    So if you are not succeeding, you are failing. The word "try" is just an invitation
    for you to ultimately fail.

    Here are 2 books I highly recommend you read before you dive back in to this IM stuff:

    1. Napoleon Hill - Think and Grow Rich
    (if you read it already, READ IT AGAIN)

    Get the audio book version as well and listen to it while you drive back and forth
    to your job (I am assuming after 15 years, you're probably still working for someone else)

    2. The Lazy Man's Way To Riches - Joe Karbo
    Ge the Revised Edition with Richard G Nixon.

    It should come with The Roadmap To Riches companion workbook.

    If it doesn't, get that too (if you can find it).

    Do all of the steps in the book. There are only 23.

    Then come back to internet marketing and declare your success.

    To sum all of this up, you need to get your head straight.

    These 2 books will help you.

    The Lazy Man's Way will really whip your ass into shape, but
    you must be ready to receive that type of information.

    It gets pretty deep at times.

    It changed my life.

    Take this for what it is.

    All The Best,
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    • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
      Originally Posted by jasondinner View Post

      If you have been "trying" to make money online for 15 years and still haven't made a dime, there are some major personal issues you have that need to be worked out.

      I don't know exactly what they are, but I have a feeling you lack self confidence and belief in yourself.

      You also have an inadequate self image (ISI - thanks Joe Karbo!)

      You are afraid of success.

      You make decisions slow and change them fast where as successful people make decisions fast and change them slow.

      You lack a definite plan.

      And the list goes on. I think you get my point.

      NONE OF THESE GREAT PROVEN INTERNET MARKETING STRATEGIES WILL WORK FOR YOU IF YOU'RE NOT MENTALLY READY TO START SUCCEEDING!!!

      Think I am crazy?

      Well, why in the last 15 years have tens of thousands, maybe ever hundreds of thousands of OTHER people found success online and not you?

      Are they smarter than you? Probably not. If they are, it's not by much.

      Are they more capable than you? I doubt it.

      Do they know something you don't know? You have been an aspiring online marketer longer than just about everyone in this very forum.

      So what's your problem?

      YOU ARE YOUR PROBLEM. You can't get out of your own way because your thought process is keeping you from achieving any success.

      And all you have been doing for 15 years is trying!!

      Napoleon Hill says the word "try" is basically another way of saying fail.

      If you try anything, all you are doing is trying and not succeeding.

      So if you are not succeeding, you are failing. The word "try" is just an invitation
      for you to ultimately fail.

      Here are 2 books I highly recommend you read before you dive back in to this IM stuff:

      1. Napoleon Hill - Think and Grow Rich
      (if you read it already, READ IT AGAIN)

      Get the audio book version as well and listen to it while you drive back and forth
      to your job (I am assuming after 15 years, you're probably still working for someone else)

      2. The Lazy Man's Way To Riches - Joe Karbo
      Ge the Revised Edition with Richard G Nixon.

      It should come with The Roadmap To Riches companion workbook.

      If it doesn't, get that too (if you can find it).

      Do all of the steps in the book. There are only 23.

      Then come back to internet marketing and declare your success.

      To sum all of this up, you need to get your head straight.

      These 2 books will help you.

      The Lazy Man's Way will really whip your ass into shape, but
      you must be ready to receive that type of information.

      It gets pretty deep at times.

      It changed my life.

      Take this for what it is.

      All The Best,
      Jason Dinner
      Figured I'd quote this again since a new page started and oliver may not see this.

      Also wanted to add that one of the biggest reasons you haven't succeeded yet
      is your choice of words.

      Your words are seeds and what you say is what you get.

      Just look at your title: "After 15 years of trying still can't make any money online!"

      You said all you have been doing was "trying." (see my response in the quoted section)

      Then you said you "can't" make money online.

      Keep saying you can't and you never will.

      You probably have been saying that you can't make any money online for the past 15 years.

      Change your thoughts and your words, and good things will start happening to you.

      Your words are powerful and have taken you to this point in your life.

      Don't believe me?

      Read those books I recommended.

      - Jason
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      • Profile picture of the author Oliver Allen
        Hi Jason,

        First I want to say thank you for your honest opinion and advice. That's what I wanted from this post that I created.

        Actually I have read both of those books several years ago and they were very inspiring.

        I have to disagree with you about me having a lack of self-confidence and belief in myself. I have always believed and will always believe that I would be successful at IM. That's why I have stuck with this for 15+ years.

        You are right about the fact that the title "I can't seem to make any money" in my original post was very negative. That statement or belief is one that I will change immediately.

        One thing that I will say is that I will never ever quit. I know that there is success with IM. That's why I'm here at the Warrior Forum to get different views like yours on what I need to do to be successful.

        Thank you again for your reply and advice. I have taken it to heart.


        Regards,

        Oliver Allen
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        • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
          Originally Posted by Oliver Allen View Post

          Hi Jason,

          First I want to say thank you for your honest opinion and advice. That's what I wanted from this post that I created.

          Actually I have read both of those books several years ago and they were very inspiring.
          Glad you took my honest opinion and advice the way it was intended.

          Read those books again and see how much more they inspire you years later with all of
          that wisdom you have under your belt.

          Originally Posted by Oliver Allen View Post

          I have to disagree with you about me having a lack of self-confidence and belief in myself. I have always believed and will always believe that I would be successful at IM. That's why I have stuck with this for 15+ years.
          Oliver, this is great to hear. You are a lot closer than you think then.

          Napoleon Hill said that "in every adversity lies the seed to an equal or greater benefit."

          And I believe the benefit in your 15 years of "not succeeding yet" has taught you
          many different ways to not approach making money online. Plus you are closer than
          you ever were to finally finding your way into real life changing income.

          Just think... Thomas Edison failed over 10,000 times before he finally succeeded at
          getting the incandescent light to stay lit for a significant amount of time.

          Originally Posted by Oliver Allen View Post

          You are right about the fact that the title "I can't seem to make any money" in my original post was very negative. That statement or belief is one that I will change immediately.

          One thing that I will say is that I will never ever quit. I know that there is success with IM. That's why I'm here at the Warrior Forum to get different views like yours on what I need to do to be successful.

          Thank you again for your reply and advice. I have taken it to heart.


          Regards,

          Oliver Allen
          Reading those books will certainly help you replace your failure habits with proven
          success habits.

          Definitely hit me up when you start going through the Lazy Man's Way To Riches
          companion workbook, Roadmap To Riches. I completed all 23 Steps and am a
          completely different man than I was before I started it.

          And I believe the same can happen for your, especially reading it again after
          several years have gone by.

          All The Best,
          Jason
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    What surprises me, you say you can do keyword research and don't have any problems ranking your sites high (and i mean: HIGH), even for 10.000+/month keywords.

    This alone is a BIG THING since Google rankings and organic traffic is a huge factor. But then why on earth is it not converting? You really already got the biggest hurdle if you can achieve those rankings and get traffic. (Assuming you have actually some good buyer keywords). The rest is "peanuts" like maybe changing your landing pages.
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  • Profile picture of the author Austin E Anthony
    If you can get on first page of Google easily which is the hardest, why not put up some adsense on the site and you don`t have to worry about making affiliate sale.

    If you have 30 sites a day making $3 from adsense, that is $90 a day. Rinse and repeat.
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    • Profile picture of the author Oliver Allen
      To all the warriors who posted a reply to my post. Thank all of you so very much for giving me your advice and suggestions. Your responses have just been overwhelming. I really didn't expect this kind of response. A total 102 replies as of today and I read all of them. It took me until today to read them all. And more replies are still coming in.

      I am truly inspired and honored by all of your advice whether was that I find something else to do or whether some of you applauded me for sticking with it for so long. Actually I was reluctant to even post my original message because I was a little embarrassed to reveal it to anyone. Well it's out and now I'm glad that I did.

      Well even after all this time that I spent trying to make money online I still can't give up and I won't give up because I know that this will work because I have seen it time and time again including the successes that I have seen here at WF. And on top of that I have learned to much to give all the knowledge that I gotten to give it all up.

      I have taken each and every one of your suggestions and advice to heart and I respect every one of them.

      Some of you have offered that I send you a PM for more details about what I am doing so you can advise but I am not allowed to PM anyone yet because I don't have enough posts here in the forum. Thank you for your offers anyway. I have to figure another way to contact you.

      Actually I have made $56 with click bank over this time period so I guess all has not been in vain, right?

      I want to give you a few of the websites that I have created that I have been able to get listed on the first page of google and maybe you can give me some advice as to what I might need to do to get conversions.

      I have used a special type of software that optimizes my websites so that I can be indexed and listed on the first page of Google in a day or two. I'm not allowed to show the link here because WF does not allow me to show the affiliate link but you can find it in my website at SEO Software Tools. The software is called Brute Force SEO.

      Speaking of keywords. I use keyword search tools like the google keyword search tool along with some other special keyword search tools to find good keywords.

      I try to choose the keywords that have a lot of searches, i.e. 10,000 plus per month and minimal competition. Actually I'm not too particularly concerned with the competition because of the optimization tool that I use.

      So after some of you take a look at my websites maybe you can give me some ideas as to what I might need to do to maximize conversions.

      My websites: (The reason I haven't been able to post my websites listed below is because I didn't have enough posts, I joined in November 09, so now I do.)

      (Note that all my websites have the keyword in the url and the title)

      Ways To Make Money Online
      SEO Software Tools
      Internet Marketing Strategy
      Increase Web Traffic
      A Free Report On How To Find A Niche
      The Consumer Report - Weight Loss Diets

      Please give me your suggestions whether good or bad, I can take it.



      Sincerely,

      Oliver Allen
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      • Profile picture of the author richdirtygirl
        Ok baby... lets see what you have here...

        first off the bat... you are teaching how to make money online and did a total of $56 in 15 years? mmmmm :rolleyes:

        Ways To Make Money Online

        here I see 2 biggies to mention:

        1. the subtitle is way too complicated...

        IF THE SUCCESS OR FAILURE OF YOUR ONLINE BUSINESS DEPENDS PRECARIOUSLY ON THE WHIMS OF THE SEARCH ENGINES TAKE A TIP FROM HARVEY'S BOOK THE ULTIMATE SUPERTIP. FORGET ABOUT THEM! FOCUS INSTEAD ON TRAFFIC GENERATION STRATEGIES WHICH WILL NEVER LET YOU DOWN - HIS FREE BOOK SHOWS YOU EXACTLY WHAT THESE ARE.

        when you write: do it in a way even a blond girl like me can understand it...

        do you have stats? mmm haven't been in blogspot for a while, we use them only as feeders... if you do, look at the bounce rate. You might be scaring people away with that subheader.

        2. when i read your article what I see is: so the method to make money is give away the same report he is giving away... thanks, but no thanks...

        handsome... you received 2 offers from copy guys in this thread... take them.

        SEO Software Tools

        no pictures?? you expect me to read all those boring words in small font and no pics?

        and where is the tale? no pics and no story? how do you expect to engage me? (or anyone else... )

        you know... this thread fired up people because you told a story, something some can relate and others can add to... the same in your websites.

        Rule of the thumb of copy: think benefits, not features, and shout them.

        tell a story, and make it visually nice...

        Internet Marketing Strategy

        ok, no subheader here...

        the title: The Amazing 7 Dollar Report - An Internet Marketing Strategy

        it is just wrong...

        amazing and 7 dollar don't go together very well unless you already know the tale... and if you know the tale, you don't need to keep reading, do you?

        I might have to call in The Lady to get you a decent title, or maybe some of the copy guys around... but something like:

        7 dollar reports - A Proven Internet Marketing Strategy

        could work better.

        Then you go over the psychological effects of the $7, how it is under the threshold: you buy first and ask later, etc...

        once you have the person interested in the strategy, you can send them to the ebook and tell the rest of the tale.

        Increase Web Traffic

        it is a sales pitch... and not a good one. You, as affiliate, don't sell, presell.

        have you used it? how did it go for you? why you are recommending it?

        the affiliate link is not cloaked... and the button is not a professional work. Why am I going to click there?

        remember this: you are targeting the toughest market, Internet marketers know all the tricks. Maybe this in another niche might work, but in this one... no way.

        A Free Report On How To Find A Niche

        ok, here you are promoting Peter's report... he is hot and his stuff is fun. I like it.

        now, how do you make money with this? does the doc has your affiliate links?

        The Consumer Report - Weight Loss Diets

        shhhhhhh you definitely need help with the copy...

        you target the weight loss niche and present features, not benefits?

        it is a highly emotionally charged niche, the same with anything related with health as the survival instinct takes control...

        what people want here are success stories, before and after pics...

        ok, handsome, after having looked at your stuff this is what I think:

        it looks like you are good enough at driving traffic, but your presell skills are pretty bad. So these are the business models i think might work for you with the info I have right now:

        1. you might make some interesting money if you choose carefully the niche and build a dropshipping store.

        2. you could team up with a copywriter and do something together.

        3. you might sell your skills to drive traffic and build a service business out of it: to other marketers or local businesses.

        ufffff this got too long... going for a walk.

        Laura
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      • Profile picture of the author Fun to Write
        Oliver

        After looking at some of your sites, my immediate feeling is that your copy is too sales like. I feel like you're trying to sell me something instead of giving me some helpful information.

        People don't like to be sold.

        If you're going to do product reviews, then you need original content that presells the visitor. Your job isn't to sell, but to inform. Make me feel like you care about my problem and are helping me find a solution.

        You may need to hire a good article/review writer (many good ones here) to provide you with content that really connects with your visitors.

        Plus, look at other niches besides make money online and **** berry. These are extremely crowded and competitive. There are literally tons of product niches, and lots more niches with Clickbank products to promote.

        Hope this helps.
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      • Profile picture of the author cremib
        Originally Posted by Oliver Allen View Post

        (Note that all my websites have the keyword in the url and the title)

        Ways To Make Money Online
        SEO Software Tools
        Internet Marketing Strategy
        Increase Web Traffic
        A Free Report On How To Find A Niche
        The Consumer Report - Weight Loss Diets

        Please give me your suggestions whether good or bad, I can take it.
        Hi Oliver, I visited your sites and here is my opinion

        Don't sell features. Sell benefits.

        But since you're an affiliate, your job is not to sell, but to presell. People hate to be sold, so once you stop "selling," then you'll make sales.

        Play on their EMOTIONS. Make them feel even more uncomfortable. I noticed you seem rational on your landing pages. I think you should appeal to their irrational self or push their "emotional hot button."

        You may be good in SEO and ranking, but you should also study about marketing, psychology, and copywriting.

        (Youtube these people and watch their videos as they can explain it better than I can: John Carlton, Eben Pagan, Dan Kennedy, Frank Kern.)
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  • Profile picture of the author Manuel Man
    Originally Posted by Oliver Allen View Post

    I have tried and tried and tried program after program after over 15 years online and I still can't seem to make any money.

    You name it and I have tried it. I am even on the first page of google with several of my websites. I good keywords and that's why I am on page 1 and in position 1 to 4 with those websites.

    I have good software programs that I use to get on the first pages but I can't seem to convert any sales. I think that my content is pretty good too.

    Can anyone suggest anything else that I can do to get some conversions and sales?

    I am a CPA affiliate of 4 different CPA companies, a member of clickbank, Ebay, Google Adsense, Google Adwords and several more.

    Any ideas or suggestions from the forum will work for me.

    Oliver Allen
    How about not focusing on thousands things at a time my friend.

    In stead of that, fOCUS ON one thing and make that work first.

    If you learn how to market one product to make money, you certainly will be able to do the same with other products.

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  • Profile picture of the author douglashsu
    me too , but not tried for so long time .
    I was trying serveral programs and followed it , and didn't get any profit yet ....

    Thanks for everyone's advice.
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  • Profile picture of the author douglashsu
    Sorry for the last posts above. Those are posted when I read at the first two pages,not read all replies yet.

    I will post after I read all replies in the next time. Sorry again.

    Douglas
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    • Profile picture of the author nmv
      Hi Oliver,

      First, a positive... Congrats on the Clickbank sale. $56 is not huge, but perhaps it's a start (some people never even end up making $1).

      I took a look at your sites, and one thing I noticed immediately is that they're a little plain looking. The one on weight loss looks decent, but you may want to try and "spice up" the others just a bit (especially seosoftwaretools.net... The link layout is alright, but something about the design makes me want to close it almost immediately). I'm not trying to sound harsh - only trying to help. Just adding a few images to that site could help immensely, and get visitors to stick around long enough to read what you have to offer. (The other sites aren't quite as bad, but could perhaps still use a little work in my opinion).

      Another thing I've noticed is that your affiliate links aren't cloaked. There are plenty of free link cloaking services available, as you're probably aware - no need to buy any expensive software.

      Anyway, those were a few things there that caught my attention. If you are ranking on the first page of google for some of these sites, I have the feeling that you're closer to success than you think. Hang in there!

      nmv

      P.S. On the first or second line of your weight loss site, you put "weigh loss." Perhaps a minor detail, but spelling errors right off the bat can turn away some people.
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      • Profile picture of the author Oliver Allen
        Thank you so much nmv,

        Now that's what I needed, some critical insight about my websites. I will work on every suggestion that you mentioned. Some of those suggestions just might be what will pull me over the top.

        You really don't know how much I appreciate your advice. I'll be in touch soon.

        Oliver Allen
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        • Profile picture of the author nmv
          Originally Posted by Oliver Allen View Post

          Thank you so much nmv,

          Now that's what I needed, some critical insight about my websites. I will work on every suggestion that you mentioned. Some of those suggestions just might be what will pull me over the top.

          You really don't know how much I appreciate your advice. I'll be in touch soon.

          Oliver Allen
          Hey, no problem Oliver. Glad I could help!

          nmv
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  • Profile picture of the author thomashoi
    I have just one advise for you: no matter how the internet has changed, you just need
    to know one simple thing i.e people's problems, needs and wants.

    If a person has a full stomach and can't eat anymore, you can give him the best food in the world for FREE, he will not take it!

    Sounds simple? But many marketers miss this point and doesn't really care about what
    their customer really need or want.

    Of course, the good news is everyday, people meet with challenges and they have problems waiting to be solve by you.

    Give them a good solution they are hungry for and you will get paid. Period.
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    Think out of the box.
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  • Profile picture of the author carlo_sim
    Congratulations Oliver! Just try to change your landing pages and see how they are converting. if you can rank your website well then maybe you just need to tweak you landing page.

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  • Profile picture of the author vitalgirl
    With all due respect, 15 years and 5 sites on IM, 3 of which are blogger blogs, and only 1 non IM site, from someone who's obviously intelligent?? What's going on here, really?
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    • Profile picture of the author Oliver Allen
      Those sights are just 5 of my most recent ones created. I have created many many more sights in the past.

      Thanks for you honest input.

      Oliver
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      • Profile picture of the author vitalgirl
        Originally Posted by Oliver Allen View Post

        Those sights are just 5 of my most recent ones created. I have created many many more sights in the past.

        Thanks for you honest input.

        Oliver
        My apologies for being so suspicious, but at least you've got some really good pointers here in this thread. Good luck turning it all around.

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        • Profile picture of the author traderfx
          Can we make this post a sticky?

          If you are new or have trouble in marketing online pure gold is found here.


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          • Profile picture of the author sande
            Simple you have an option. If you are stuck, facing a wall, no job, no food, no money in the bank, facing foreclosure, in debt and no way to go get a job....YOU WILL MAKE MONEY.

            You have a place to land, you have a carrot in one hand.
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  • Profile picture of the author nota-bene
    Something constructive...

    Well, first of all I would get the hell out of the MMO niche. I say this for two reasons: firstly, it is saturated beyond belief, and secondly why would someone who has made only $56 in 15 years be telling others 'ways to make money online' ?

    On scanning through the threads here, it would appear that not only have you been given a lot of good advice, but that you also have the required skills to succeed. God knows you have the tenacity!!

    I would take note of vitalgirl's advice above and look at micro niche sites. Go back to basics and start from scratch. Some of my biggest money earners are really small niches, unglamorous niches, things you would not think people search for in a million years. The money is made in the research so do some really deep digging and try to think like the masses. People looking to 'make money online' are best served joing the war room, and not trawling through the millions of regurgitated blogs on that topic. However, people looking for...(insert niche keyword here) let's say 'inexpensive bamboo fencing' are looking for a specific product/solution that will enrich their lives in some way shape or form. As an additional bonus, they are looking to BUY if the price is right ie 'Inexpensive'!

    Go and invest $9 on inexpensivebamboofencing.com and put up a quick wordpress site with some keyworded articles, hell why not group them all up and add in some other micro keywords 'inexpensive fencing to keep puppy out of planters' ....you get the idea. Monetize the site using your preferred method, or the one that offers the best solution to the specific problem you are looking to address and get backlinking.

    Put two and two together and what have you got? Targeted search traffic from people looking to purchase 'inexpensive bamboo fencing', arriving at a site that sells inexpensive bamboo fencing! Can you see how that might result in a sale?

    Support this site with a number of web 2.0 properties, such as squidoo/hubpages..and your trusted blogspot blogs. What this will do is increase your earnings by putting out more hooks for which to get bites. Used correctly and you could even dominate the entire front page of Google for that keyword and many others! It is not rocket science, so just rinse and repeat.

    I don't mean to sound like a dick in writing this, and I hope you take it with the pinch of salt with which it was intended! As other have said, don't flit from one thing to another, but look to find something that works for you and stick to it!

    Keep your chin up and keep on plugging away!

    ...And for gods sake don't get involved in PPC
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  • Profile picture of the author enet_marketer
    I think you just buried those sites for 15 years from Search Engines. Drive traffic through rapid link building and create great content as well as change the old design that it would look professional. You focus as well 1-3 product lines in each site you have.
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  • Profile picture of the author brancato
    I sympathize with you for keeping your head up even after such a long time. My advice to you is that you start low on some hot seller clickbank products. Check out PlatinumPartner.com they have ready made templates that you can use for your aff link. Get a cheap dot info domain name, cloak your aff url with it, get some quality traffic, articles and yahoo ppc are good to start off, then move on to keywords with more traffic.

    This is how I started, no list, no opt in, no product, no SEO expertise, but a STRONG desire NOT to see my boss ever again. And it worked.
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  • Profile picture of the author jaiganeshv.com
    Oliver,

    couls you pls PM me your email id

    can we talk please?

    thank you
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom Byrde
    Wow!

    Go back to the basics man: find a DIFFICULT problem that people want to solve, find a solution to that problem. Put a great offer together. Then use those skills you mentioned to get targeted traffic in front of your offer.

    It's not complicated.

    Tom
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  • Profile picture of the author MarketingSPY
    Oliver -
    First, my heart goes out to you and you get an "A" in persistence. A recent survey says, 91% of Internet Marketers who tried to earn money last year did not earn a penny.

    Many people on here have provided you with some great advice. However, it's like trying to type with your hands tied behind your back. Most of us would have to see your product and marketing plan before we can actually give adequate advice.

    1. Find a good honest mentor who is actually earning a living online.
    2. Follow his/her suggestions "exactly".
    3. Be patient and persistent (as if you haven't already) lol

    Good luck my friend.
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  • Profile picture of the author aceshigh
    (website idea, headline...)

    ATTENTION.....My Name is Oliver Allen, and I've Spent The Last 15 Years Online Trying To Make Money....But Never Made It. I'm Not Sure Why, But Below I List The 101 Pitfalls, Blunders, and Royal Failures I Made....So Before You Start Your Next Business Online Be Sure To Avoid These Kinds of Ideas...

    ha ha....just kidding....

    But I think all you need is to possibly shift gears a little. Start your own website, don't do other people's programs. Also work on a B2B idea that fills a need. Stop doing B2C that only fills a want. That might be one way. I found products that fill needs are way easier to sell than anything that only fills a want. Because generally they sell themselves. Anyway you've come this far, don't give up buddy!
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      [QUOTE=aceshigh;1482167](website idea, headline...)

      ATTENTION.....My Name is Oliver Allen, and I've Spent The Last 15 Years Online Trying To Make Money....But Never Made It. I'm Not Sure Why, But Below I List The 101 Pitfalls, Blunders, and Royal Failures I Made....So Before You Start Your Next Business Online Be Sure To Avoid These Kinds of Ideas...
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      Pure gold, aces!
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      • Profile picture of the author goindeep
        Oliver,

        You need your face slapped a few times by an old time, sweaty, rough faced cop that looks like Clint Eastwood back in his day and then you need your head dunked in icy water!

        Mate, STOP lying to yourself and STOP lying to everyone here.

        You have NOT been trying for 15 years.

        Wanna know how i know?

        Because any retard would have figured out how to at least write sales copy, or provide a quality product, or pay a real designer or or or...

        Just cos you had an internet connection 15 years ago doesnt mean you have been trying jack!

        Forget the MUMBO JUMBO !

        Wanna get serious sunshine?

        Take your hand of your D**K, go to click bank or commission junction and find something you are genuinely interested in like "how to breed siamese cats". Check and see if there are searches for this term, check competition, buy a domain name, dont be a tight ass, fork out a couple hundred bucks for a REAL website, get it built with a blog roll, make it look wicked, write some kick ass content or pay someone to write some kick ass content, plaster the s**t out of the aff link across the site and then promote the hell out of it day and night until your eyes are burning and your gums are sore.

        And if no one buys, then walk across the rd to mrs o'reillys place, kick the door down, grab her F***ING credit card and tell her your gunna burn her F***ING house down if she doesnt buy "How To Breed UGLY F***ING Siamese Cats" ebook from your site!

        Stop being a little girl and thanking people all the bloody time, grow some hair on ya chest, drink a beer and then break that s**t bottle over ya head and beat your chest like a crazy man!

        15 years my ass!
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  • Profile picture of the author kingmee
    Hi Oliver

    I am having the same experience. I havn't been in the online business as long as you have - but I do feel that 7 years is a long time and had not made a dime. But I am not giving up. I try to be very cautious not to spend too much money.

    I believe I am getting wiser every day wit every e-book or affiliate training video I read or watch. I believe I'll make it one day soon. But I know where I went wrong. I didn't learn the basic web skills, do't have my own domain and autoresponder. But I have all that now and I have a great online mentor.

    I pray for your success.

    Nadzmi
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  • Profile picture of the author Trieu
    being on 1st page isn't always enough. You need keywords that are actually being searched, and should be buying targeted keywords, and importantly a good website that can convert.
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  • Profile picture of the author PVReymond
    Oliver, are you serious? 15 years is a lot.

    I think you are trying to do many things at the same time. Just pick one and stick to it, you'll see how the results will arrive.

    Focus on only one thing because if you focus on different things the results are poor and you already learned that from your own experience.

    Thanks,
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    • Profile picture of the author Alex Pavlis
      5 websites in 15 years, something does not add up. Having blogs or websites in the IM field is not the place I would concentrate on if not successful.

      Start over again with physical products that have relatively high search volume and favorable competition. Tackling some IM areas can be like getting in the ring with Mike Tyson after having taken some online boxing lessons.

      Pick a less competitive niche to build your blog/website. When you have some success, then I might consider sticking my little toe in the IM Arena to feel the water.
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  • Profile picture of the author sudeki
    Originally Posted by Oliver Allen View Post

    I have tried and tried and tried program after program after over 15 years online and I still can't seem to make any money.

    You name it and I have tried it. I am even on the first page of google with several of my websites. I good keywords and that's why I am on page 1 and in position 1 to 4 with those websites.

    I have good software programs that I use to get on the first pages but I can't seem to convert any sales. I think that my content is pretty good too.

    Can anyone suggest anything else that I can do to get some conversions and sales?

    I am a CPA affiliate of 4 different CPA companies, a member of clickbank, Ebay, Google Adsense, Google Adwords and several more.

    Any ideas or suggestions from the forum will work for me.

    Oliver Allen
    I Think you have to change your strategy, don't wait too long, because it's can spend your time to much..
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    • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
      Originally Posted by Josefa View Post

      for me as a beginner , that is a frustrated story man , what can I say , it is a very hard , do I need to wait thats long ??
      Josefa - you definitely do not have to wait that long.

      With all the knowledge and wisdom shared in this very forum, it shouldn't
      take you longer than 15 days to start making money.

      * Figure out WHY you are doing this in the first place. I mean the REAL reason why, not "because i want to make more money"

      * Choose ONE method for generating income and map out a game plan as to how you will go about carrying out this game plan.

      * DO IT and be persistent. Don't just do it when you can. Dedicate at least an hour a day EVERY DAY.

      * Ask questions here. (you will get answers and in most cases from the most seasoned of internet marketers)

      * Did I mention that you need to be persistent? lol
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  • Profile picture of the author workathomeonline
    15 years? You should think about just sticking with one approach and scratch that. Sometimes it's also a matter of information overload. Sometimes you just have to go for it and stick with it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kamran
      I wonder why no one is asking this question. Marketing online for 15 years doesn't sound right. Because that would mean you started in 1994. And I doubt if any one was shopping online in 1994.

      BTW, if you even created one website 15 years ago, I am sure there will be many who are willing to pay a huge amount just for the 15 year old domain name.
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