Duplicate Content Worries

by Zeus66 19 replies
Hi all,

I'm in the process of adding some articles to EZA for a new site I'm building and I've been experimenting with rewriting them in a slightly different way than I usually do and adding them to my site as well. It's faster but I'm a bit worried about tripping a dupe content filter somewhere. I use the comparison checker at dupecop DOT com, and I'm generally in the 70% uniqueness range. Do any of you experts know if that's a safe benchmark? I suspect it is, but what is your experience with this issue? I don't want to get any deeper into it without some guidance, as this is the first time I've toyed with putting rewritten content on one of my sites that I originally submitted to an article directory. Just looking to make sure I'm out of the danger zone here.

Thanks!
John
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  • Profile picture of the author Art Turner
    The general rule of thumb I've seen is anything over 30%, so you should be good at 70%.

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    • Profile picture of the author Tirmizi
      well try "copysafe.com" too it gives you a good idea about duplication of content... and rest what you are doing is good ..... rewrite is not a black and white thing also requires some research if you want to produce good content ...


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      • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
        Copysafe is out of beta and closed to new users for now. FYI.
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        • Profile picture of the author Simon_Sezs
          duplicate content is not as insidious as Google would like you to believe. Adult webmaster's post duplicate content all the time. The bigger key is trustrank, an aged domain, backlinks and that most of your content is original.

          Don't believe the hype. I post duplicate content all the time and still manage to get ranked...
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          • Profile picture of the author Jason Brown
            John,

            if you are trying to get your site to rank for that keyword or you have a page which targets that keyword, then I would add it to your site first and get it indexed, then add to EZA.

            EZA will not have a problem with it although you may have to tell them that the original is on your site and its your original work.

            Many different views on the dup issue, I believe that the main issue with dup content is on different pages within a site, and not accross different sites.

            Articles get scraped and used on many different sites and they do not get penalised.

            Hope that helps
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            • Profile picture of the author Michael Dominic
              You should be safe if you keep the same outline and completely rewrite everything.
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              • Profile picture of the author peteinoz
                Originally Posted by Michael Dominic View Post

                You should be safe if you keep the same outline and completely rewrite everything.
                the only problem with that statement is, that to keep it 100% safe from the supposed dup content penalty, is you will need to get the people that scrape these articles to kindly re write them also to keep it 100% unique


                Follow what Simon said above about Dup content penalty..


                There is a massive duplicate content penalty IF you duplicate another entire website.. G doesnt take kindly to that

                People have taken this serious penalty and related it to articles





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                • Originally Posted by peteinoz View Post

                  the only problem with that statement is, that to keep it 100% safe from the supposed dup content penalty, is you will need to get the people that scrape these articles to kindly re write them also to keep it 100% unique


                  Follow what Simon said above about Dup content penalty..


                  There is a massive duplicate content penalty IF you duplicate another entire website.. G doesnt take kindly to that

                  People have taken this serious penalty and related it to articles





                  Pete
                  Yep. And if this were the case, then sites like EzineArticles would be penalized for what they do; offer content to webmasters. The webmasters taking the content would also be penalize. It would never end.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Louis Raven
                    Am I reading this right, You're rewriting your EA articles for your website?

                    Why? duplicate content is only a problem on THE SAME DOMAIN!

                    Many people believe you can't put an article from "some" website on your own because it's duplicate content. Not true.

                    John, EzineArticles WANTS you to repost articles. That's why they provide you with republishing tools.

                    Hope this helps clear up any doubts you had,

                    Louis

                    P.S. Google doesn't like "article A" on your domain more than once. That's the real duplicate issue people are being slapped for.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Colin Evans
                      There is a massive duplicate content penalty IF you duplicate another entire website..
                      IMO - It depends on the number of backlinks as to which of two identical webpages from identical websites will be listed for a particular keyword... In my experience, the same page from identical sites get ranked for different keywords, depending on the number and context of the backlinks.

                      NOTE #1 - I'm talking about pages from well made PLR sites which look good and also make sense to readers (i.e. readers get value from the content and don't get the urge to report the site).

                      NOTE #2 - The websites while identical (in terms of the design and coding), are made up of pages which include random snippets taken from the other articles in the site. This reduces the chances of search engine spiders finding two pages on different sites which are 100% identical.

                      My second note means the websites in terms of visible content are unlikely to be identical. Therefore the OP's statement is still true.

                      But...

                      Websites which are 100% identical in terms of design, layout, code and article content, but which have some form of random content incorporated into each page can avoid duplicate filters and each be indexed...
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                  • Profile picture of the author tim_benedict
                    Ok, I just signed up at EzineArticles after reading this thread. Thanks for the info. Now I know how to safely post content :-). But I had a question on a related note, because the article posting idea is something I am just now exploring. EZA was mentioned several times in the thread. Is that the standard that everyone uses, or are there any other must-join article submission sites? And I assume you shouldn't post the same exact article at more than one site, or can you? How do search engines respond to that?
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                • Profile picture of the author Michael Dominic
                  Originally Posted by peteinoz View Post

                  the only problem with that statement is, that to keep it 100% safe from the supposed dup content penalty, is you will need to get the people that scrape these articles to kindly re write them also to keep it 100% unique


                  Follow what Simon said above about Dup content penalty..


                  There is a massive duplicate content penalty IF you duplicate another entire website.. G doesnt take kindly to that

                  People have taken this serious penalty and related it to articles





                  Pete
                  I misinterpreted John's original post. For some reason I thought it was about reposting the same articles back to the article directories... :rolleyes:

                  Google won't penalize you for having articles on your website that are also on other websites. A million different websites can have the same article!

                  The "duplicate content" that everyone speaks of pertains to duplicating an "entire website", as Pete stated or having the same content copied multiple times on your website for the purpose of playing Google for rankings.
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          • Profile picture of the author Jack Humphrey
            Originally Posted by Simon_Sezs View Post

            duplicate content is not as insidious as Google would like you to believe. Adult webmaster's post duplicate content all the time. The bigger key is trustrank, an aged domain, backlinks and that most of your content is original.

            Don't believe the hype. I post duplicate content all the time and still manage to get ranked...
            Right on. Dupe content is way way overblown. If all you're doing is article marketing, then I guess you might have some things to worry about.

            Take it from someone who knows - my RSS feed is all over the freakin web. Much of my content, as much as possible, is all over the web in the exact form it appears on my main site.

            Google me and Yahoo me - you'll see "evil" dupe content everywhere. In the normal web everyone knows that RSS syndication makes the whole dupe argument kind of 2004. No one I interview or talk with in the blogosphere gives a hoot about it or pays attention to it.

            And those are some of the top publishers on the web today.

            If I am being penalized in any way, my bank account, subscriber list, and rankings sure aren't showing it.
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            • Profile picture of the author ebuyer123
              Hi,

              Some people simply spend too much time on writing. IMO they should spend more time on markerting side of thing and make more positive income revenue...

              There are people they don't write, but make a 5-digit monthly income constantly. Well...the secret is using fast unique content of hot niches on your websites. This is especially critical for those 9AM-5PM folks really IMO.

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          • Profile picture of the author snvservices
            Originally Posted by Simon_Sezs View Post

            duplicate content is not as insidious as Google would like you to believe. Adult webmaster's post duplicate content all the time. The bigger key is trustrank, an aged domain, backlinks and that most of your content is original.

            Don't believe the hype. I post duplicate content all the time and still manage to get ranked...

            Hi,

            I agree with what you do, but one thing that you should keep in mind that It just totally depends on Crawler, as somewhere it is crawled that is why, preference is to your article, for which you are ranking.


            But, still it is important to go for writting original and fresh content, which is very important.

            Thanks!!
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    Originally Posted by Zeus66 View Post

    Hi all,

    I'm in the process of adding some articles to EZA for a new site I'm building and I've been experimenting with rewriting them in a slightly different way than I usually do and adding them to my site as well. It's faster but I'm a bit worried about tripping a dupe content filter somewhere. I use the comparison checker at dupecop DOT com, and I'm generally in the 70% uniqueness range. Do any of you experts know if that's a safe benchmark? I suspect it is, but what is your experience with this issue? I don't want to get any deeper into it without some guidance, as this is the first time I've toyed with putting rewritten content on one of my sites that I originally submitted to an article directory. Just looking to make sure I'm out of the danger zone here.

    Thanks!
    John
    They say 30% for changing content but at 70% you should just write your own articles. The other thing. I'm not convinced about the dupe content drama because I use unchanged plr a lot and sometimes I change it and either way I get ranked for it. Also, if the dupe content thing was such a problem, why do article sites like ezinearticles.com still exist and allow people to use content as well as supply content, some of which has already hit the net on their own site.

    Sometimes, I will create a pyramid structure website and put all original content in the first two or three levels, from there on its all plr.
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    Originally Posted by Simon_Sezs View Post

    duplicate content is not as insidious as Google would like you to believe. Adult webmaster's post duplicate content all the time. The bigger key is trustrank, an aged domain, backlinks and that most of your content is original.

    Don't believe the hype. I post duplicate content all the time and still manage to get ranked...
    Wow - I'LL SAY!! This guy (aka JERK) who **pretends** to do what I do took one of my ENTIRE pages and slapped it on his domain - didn't change anything, nothing at all, even my testimonials with MY name in them! -- except for the link to PAY which then went to Intellius!!!

    I complained of course to both google AND to intellius all to no avail. AND - he managed, with MY OWN PAGE, to get a better ranking a blast me off the top 10.

    I was so mad, now, months later, I am just really sad about it - it hurt me bad.

    Oh and also, the domain is quite old - as in probably 8 years or so...

    Melanie

    P.S. As to Dup. content, I have a probably really stupid question. When you have your own 100% original content and you post it to say your blog, and then you copy and paste it to a page in one of your websites; is that really a BAD thing to do??



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      Learned so much in this thread, thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author jrptr
    I have seen a few articles that have been copied from other sites where the original was initially posted and the copied content has ranked higher than the original, it has even happend with my own articles.

    Duplicate material is ok if it is on a relevant site and NOT on a cloned site.
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