Duplicate Content Mystery

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There is some thing i don't understand about duplicate content.If article rewriting does help to make articles unique,what happens if another person uses the same article rewriter and the same method to rewrite the article?

Isn't this a duplicate content? And if yes, how do you know that what you have on your site is a duplicate content?.

I will appreciate your contributions, Warriors.
#articles #content #dulicate #duplicate content #mystery
  • Profile picture of the author BIG Mike
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  • What happens when you mix red with green?

    What's the point? If you are so focused on creating crap articles from other peoples work you are not marketing.

    I doubt people are ever going to understand duplicate content.
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
      Originally Posted by InternetMarketingIQ View Post

      What happens when you mix red with green?

      What's the point? If you are so focused on creating crap articles from other peoples work you are not marketing.

      I doubt people are ever going to understand duplicate content.
      Unless I am misunderstanding you, why do you assume that every person who spins articles plagiarizes them from other peoples articles?

      I spin my articles all the time and I have noticed a massive increase in profit due to time saved, time = money after all, saved hundreds if not thousands on article writer fees. As well as turned the new highly unique articles into press releases, videos etc. As a result, generating and increasing my traffic and sales.

      So I am curious as to how I am not marketing?


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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
      Originally Posted by petelta View Post

      I'm waiting for the TheRichJerk....=)
      Any second now :p
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      • Profile picture of the author adamv
        I don't know if James will be showing up in this one or not. I've seen several threads recently on the duplicate content topic where he has not posted.

        Perhaps he is getting as tired of these threads as I am. There are more than one of these threads popping up daily. We really don't need 200 threads all on the same topic.
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        • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
          Originally Posted by adamv View Post

          I don't know if James will be showing up in this one or not. I've seen several threads recently on the duplicate content topic where he has not posted.

          Perhaps he is getting as tired of these threads as I am. There are more than one of these threads popping up daily. We really don't need 200 threads all on the same topic.
          He does, but he pastes the exact same post in, I have noticed.
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          • Profile picture of the author adamv
            Originally Posted by skyfox7 View Post

            He does, but he pastes the exact same post in, I have noticed.
            I know of 3 active duplicate content threads that he has not shown up in yet. I fully expected him to show up in one of them a few days ago. Maybe his mouse broke with all of the copying and pasting.
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        • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
          Originally Posted by adamv View Post

          I don't know if James will be showing up in this one or not. I've seen several threads recently on the duplicate content topic where he has not posted.

          Perhaps he is getting as tired of these threads as I am. There are more than one of these threads popping up daily. We really don't need 200 threads all on the same topic.
          Those freakin snow storms may have him without power . They are getting close if not to where he lives .
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    • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
      Originally Posted by petelta View Post

      I'm waiting for the TheRichJerk....=)
      As Adam pointed out . There is enough threads and post on here to shut down most forums concerning dup content .

      While I in no way speak for James , he may have decided to take my stand on the issue .

      Please believe both Google and EZA will slap you for dup content . You are in definite danger of being sandboxed .

      While you fret over duplicate content , we will continue doing exactly the opposite and collecting our money .
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      • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
        Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips View Post

        While I in no way speak for James , he may have decided to take my stand on the issue .

        Please believe both Google and EZA will slap you for dup content . You are in definite danger of being sandboxed .

        While you fret over duplicate content , we will continue doing exactly the opposite and collecting our money .
        Or perhaps he's taken to heart my post asking him why he keeps on trying to explain to people who will never understand that syndication is not spam and will never be penalized by Google for obvious reasons.

        As for the OP'er, the above gentleman is one of these people who cant seem to get their head around the fact that sending the exact same article to multiple directories will NOT get you 'sand-boxed,' its called SYNDICATION, gentleman like the above consider it spam, which it is not, as isn't manually spinning your OWN articles.

        HOWEVER,

        if you post the exact same article on you website multiple times than you risk getting de-indexed in the:

        "rare instance that it is interpreted as trying to manipulate the search results"

        this quote comes from a Google rep in one of their webmaster videos which deals with this topic.

        If you do a member post search on TheRichJerksNet you will see his detailed response to this subject.


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      • Profile picture of the author Matt Bard
        Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips View Post

        While I in no way speak for James , he may have decided to take my stand on the issue .
        Please believe both Google and EZA will slap you for dup content . You are in definite danger of being sandboxed .
        That wasn't his stand a couple of days ago. I got a royal gang "beat down" LOL

        As a matter of fact, every time I have ever said anything remotely close to using that term, I get a bum rush my way and the last time was the last "debate" if you want to call it that.

        With that, I better run
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        • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
          Originally Posted by Matt M View Post

          That wasn't his stand a couple of days ago. I got a royal gang "beat down" LOL
          But I honestly think you were both right ... just looking at the same thing from different perspectives
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Bard
    Troy, the only thing about that subject I will say here in this forum is if you want to talk to me about it, send me a PM and I'll give you my email.

    The truth is it's not the "beat down" for my decision, it's the fact that on this subject people have already made up their minds and there is no room to even read two paragraphs and have a discussion on two measly little paragraphs.

    I ask what someone thinks about a paragraph on a page and they come back with a video.

    I ask about a paragraph on a page and they all start telling me that nothing like that has ever happened to them.

    I quote the paragraph and ask my question again pertaining to the paragraph and I get " I could care less what Google thinks".

    So what's the point?

    If you ask me what time it is and I keep telling you that the Sun comes up at 5 am at my house, pretty soon you just realize that it's futile.
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    • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
      Originally Posted by Matt M View Post

      Troy, the only thing about that subject I will say here in this forum is if you want to talk to me about it, send me a PM and I'll give you my email.

      The truth is it's not the "beat down" for my decision, it's the fact that on this subject people have already made up their minds and there is no room to even read two paragraphs and have a discussion on two measly little paragraphs.

      I ask what someone thinks about a paragraph on a page and they come back with a video.

      I ask about a paragraph on a page and they all start telling me that nothing like that has ever happened to them.

      I quote the paragraph and ask my question again pertaining to the paragraph and I get " I could care less what Google thinks".

      So what's the point?

      If you ask me what time it is and I keep telling you that the Sun comes up at 5 am at my house, pretty soon you just realize that it's futile.
      While I have been trying to Beat into people heads that EZA does not care about duplicate content and Google does not care if you have the original on your site first and then syndicated on as many directories as you choose ( and the directory TOS permits) .

      Matt has brought up a valid point concerning dup content on your own site

      Copied and pasted from Google
      Google tries hard to index and show pages with distinct information. This filtering means, for instance, that if your site has a "regular" and "printer" version of each article, and neither of these is blocked with a noindex meta tag, we'll choose one of them to list. In the rare cases in which Google perceives that duplicate content may be shown with intent to manipulate our rankings and deceive our users, we'll also make appropriate adjustments in the indexing and ranking of the sites involved. As a result, the ranking of the site may suffer, or the site might be removed entirely from the Google index, in which case it will no longer appear in search results.
      There are some steps you can take to proactively address duplicate content issues, and ensure that visitors see the content you want them to.
      • Use 301s: If you've restructured your site, use 301 redirects ("RedirectPermanent") in your .htaccess file to smartly redirect users, Googlebot, and other spiders. (In Apache, you can do this with an .htaccess file; in IIS, you can do this through the administrative console.)
      • Be consistent: Try to keep your internal linking consistent. For example, don't link to http://www.example.com/page/ and http://www.example.com/page and http://www.example.com/page/index.htm.
      • Use top-level domains: To help us serve the most appropriate version of a document, use top-level domains whenever possible to handle country-specific content. We're more likely to know that example.de - Ank√ľndigung Ausstellung Oktoberfest M√ľnchen contains Germany-focused content, for instance, than http://www.example.com/de or http://de.example.com.
      • Syndicate carefully: If you syndicate your content on other sites, Google will always show the version we think is most appropriate for users in each given search, which may or may not be the version you'd prefer. However, it is helpful to ensure that each site on which your content is syndicated includes a link back to your original article. You can also ask those who use your syndicated material to use the noindex meta tag to prevent search engines from indexing their version of the content.
      • Use Webmaster Tools to tell us how you prefer your site to be indexed: You can tell Google your preferred domain (for example, Example Web Page or Example Web Page).
      • Minimize boilerplate repetition: For instance, instead of including lengthy copyright text on the bottom of every page, include a very brief summary and then link to a page with more details. In addition, you can use the Parameter Handling tool to specify how you would like Google to treat URL parameters.
      • Avoid publishing stubs: Users don't like seeing "empty" pages, so avoid placeholders where possible. For example, don't publish pages for which you don't yet have real content. If you do create placeholder pages, use the noindex meta tag to block these pages from being indexed.
      • Understand your content management system: Make sure you're familiar with how content is displayed on your web site. Blogs, forums, and related systems often show the same content in multiple formats. For example, a blog entry may appear on the home page of a blog, in an archive page, and in a page of other entries with the same label.
      • Minimize similar content: If you have many pages that are similar, consider expanding each page or consolidating the pages into one. For instance, if you have a travel site with separate pages for two cities, but the same information on both pages, you could either merge the pages into one page about both cities or you could expand each page to contain unique content about each city.
      Google no longer recommends blocking crawler access to duplicate content on your website, whether with a robots.txt file or other methods. If search engines can't crawl pages with duplicate content, they can't automatically detect that these URLs point to the same content and will therefore effectively have to treat them as separate, unique pages. A better solution is to allow search engines to crawl these URLs, but mark them as duplicates by using the rel="canonical" link element, the URL parameter handling tool, or 301 redirects. In cases where duplicate content leads to us crawling too much of your website, you can also adjust the crawl rate setting in Webmaster Tools.
      Duplicate content on a site is not grounds for action on that site unless it appears that the intent of the duplicate content is to be deceptive and manipulate search engine results. If your site suffers from duplicate content issues, and you don't follow the advice listed above, we do a good job of choosing a version of the content to show in our search results.


      Also several web 2.0 sites demand original content that is exclusive to their site .
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  • Profile picture of the author Mountainmotorman
    duplicate content is totally misunderstood and has been the DUMBEST argument that has been on this forum.... People here mistake duplicate content for SYNDICATED content! Duplicate is on the SAME URL.... Not on 500 DIFFERENT sites.... That is syndicated via rss feeds usually....
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Bard
    I realize that most here don't think it is a big deal but look at these few lines from the Google blog:

    There are some penalties that are related to the idea of having the same content as another site--for example, if you're scraping content from other sites and republishing it, or if you republish content without adding any additional value. These tactics are clearly outlined (and discouraged) in our Webmaster Guidelines:

    * Don't create multiple pages, subdomains, or domains with substantially duplicate content.
    * Avoid... "cookie cutter" approaches such as affiliate programs with little or no original content.
    * If your site participates in an affiliate program, make sure that your site adds value. Provide unique and relevant content that gives users a reason to visit your site first.
    I have sent a couple emails to Susan Moskwa at the Google blog about them giving us more clarification. Especially the lines "republish content without adding any additional value" and then this one
    Avoid... "cookie cutter" approaches such as affiliate programs with little or no original content.
    How about "scraping content from other sites"?
    If your site participates in an affiliate program, make sure that your site adds value.
    I honestly believe more people are affected by this then we realize.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
    Hi Guys,
    Thanks for the mention ... Honestly as adam pointed out I am seriously tired of these threads... It has been proven time and time again that duplicate content penalty is a myth.

    Big Mike, you're wrong... It has nothing to do with the same content on the same site. I have already proven this. Any dynamically driven site with seo'ed urls has dup content because there is a raw url and a seo url. This is fact and it is dup content and no you do not get hurt for it. I have dup content on my site in several places and I still get top listings.

    What people need to understand is that word "MANIPULATION" this means doorway pages or similar pages that are designed to do nothing more than MANIPULATE the search engines.

    Articles on other sites is syndication, this is also a fact and has been proven time and time again. You can spin your articles if you choose to do so, you do NOT have to though. It is a choice and not a requirement.

    I just do not understand why people will not go test it for themselves instead of starting 200 threads. I have my post about dup content stickied on my forum so I do not have 200 threads about the junk.

    Honestly you can only repeat yourself so many time until you really do get tired of it ...

    James
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Bard
    Don't worry. I'm heading out.

    No two day thread for me on this one. LOL
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  • Profile picture of the author DogScout
    Ever thought about making a post in notepad on your desk top for these threads?
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  • Profile picture of the author Innocent Akuma
    Thanks everybody for your contributions. More contributions to clarify Big Mike and The Rich JerkNet's uncompromising stances will be appreciated.
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    • Profile picture of the author NicheHunter
      Hi All,

      For me, this is the first time I have heard there are differences between "duplicate" and "syndicated" content.

      I have been putting hard study into all forms of IM for over a year and I am glad to have this information.

      I am glad this thread has popped up again as I bet others are. Its not easy reading all the past threads in this forum as there are so many. I would think in the thousands.

      Now I am off to research this topic for myself. Woo Hoo.

      Gary
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    • Profile picture of the author aquablue
      Originally Posted by Innocent Akuma View Post

      Thanks everybody for your contributions. More contributions to clarify Big Mike and The Rich JerkNet's uncompromising stances will be appreciated.
      Innocent Akuma,
      Please see adamv's post above. Follow the links to those threads, and you'll find more than enough info on your topic to keep you busy for awhile.
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  • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
    Slapping the same content over a gazillion sites seems to end up putting a ton of it into Googles secondary listings.

    Do a search for the extra string in your article and Google will index say a half dozen, the rest sit in the supplemental. The "we have hidden similar listings" is the give away.

    I don't think Google cares specifically, ie from a penalty perspective but it just doesn't rank 100 exact copies of the exact same thing.

    Why would it.

    What kind of user experience would that be.
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