Post # 5000 - Zero Reply Threads

by Kurt
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This is post # 5000 for me and want to "spend" it on the topic of threads with zero replies.

About a week ago, I made a post in a part of this forum I never visited and have little expience. I asked a basic question and got zero replies.

It kind of upset me, I have helped a lot of people here...I almost posted a slightly sarcastic message...But a better thought came to me:

I decided to be a solution...I started looking for other threads that got zero responses and were ready to fall off the first or second page.

I couldn't answer them all, and some were spam, but I did try to at least add a comment to as many as I could to give them a "bump".

Almost all of these threads went on to get more posts and reviews and even "thanks" for the OP, meaning Warriors liked their posts, but the posts were ready to drop into oblivion. And even if I couldn't answer directly, the bump found others that could help out.

These posts were either very helpful, or someone needing REAL help to get something set up, but they were all ignored, while the "soap box finger-wagging" threads get 100's of replies.

Maybe we could improve this forum if we looked for threads with zero posts that are helpful or needing help, instead of spending our time adding nothing to an already over-saturated topic?

I've seen a lot of threads with people trying to take action, getting stuck and needing help, but all the "action" is on BS threads.


This isn't a demand or a rant, just a reminder not to follow the herd all the time...

My suggestion is to not let ANY legit Warrior thread get to page 3 without a response. There are good, helpful threads being lost while someone posts yet another thread about "taking action".
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  • Profile picture of the author Warrior Helper
    I have done this myself over the years. Sometimes I find a thread that really interests me but no one has replied to it so I will post something. Sometimes my posts end up killing active conversations but sometimes I have found that doing what you are talking about can actually start some really good conversations.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
    Kurt,

    Would you say the sublect lines on those threads were categorically weak?

    Or the poster had a username like "Sunshine3589"?

    Or were there plenty of views just no responses?

    Or were most of these threads yours and you had to go back and answer them yourself?

    Just kidding about the last one, but it seems to me since you have studied the problem more than most you may have some insights the rest of us don't.

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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by Bill Farnham View Post

      Kurt,

      Would you say the sublect lines on those threads were categorically weak?

      Or the poster had a username like "Sunshine3589"?

      Or were there plenty of views just no responses?

      Or were most of these threads yours and you had to back and answer them yourself?

      Just kidding about the last one, but it seems to me since you have studied the problem more than most you may have some insights the rest of us don't.

      ~Bill
      Actually, most of them had very few views...Less than 20 by the time they hit page 2.

      However, they starting getting decent views once there was a response. It could be "timing", boring titles, etc.

      But I think the bigger problem is the herd mentality, people see a thread that's "popular" with a lot of responses and check it out.

      And I've done this before (looking for threads without replies), but never with any "conviction".

      Let me also make the point that the maker of many of these threads aren't the only people being left out...It's people reading the other threads and missing out.

      Here's an example:
      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...CGaXVQHZXRNaQV

      WD's thread had zero replies and about 12 views when I responded.

      Then, today someone posts asking for the exact same info WD spent time writing up, but his thread is ignored again.

      Here's a post made by someone that didn't bother checking the first two index pages of the forum:
      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...IntheOf8JFPTJq

      But why ask why?

      Why not just make a small attempt to help someone, or encourage someone else?

      Does "Im'er Goes Camping" really need 200 responses while WD's thread gets ignored?
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      • Profile picture of the author mcmahanusa
        I can speak only for myself in this. Truthfully, I rarely notice the number of replies. Generally speaking, if the topic looks interesting, I will read it. Then, if I have something worthwhile to say, I say it. Rarely, if it's interesting, but would need some research in order to post a meaningful response, I do the research (takes very little time, usually), and respond. This is enjoyable to me, as I like conducting research. And if I get a "thanks" in response, it serves to swell my head a little more than usual.

        Some of the longer threads I will read but not respond to, since I usually have nothing to add to what's been already stated (probably better than I would myself).

        I like your thoughts on this, and I will pay closer attention to the zero response threads.
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        • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          But why ask why?
          Because of this...

          Originally Posted by mcmahanusa View Post

          Generally speaking, if the topic looks interesting, I will read it.
          There could be a very valuable lesson in copywriting here that others could learn from...

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          • Profile picture of the author Kurt
            Originally Posted by Bill Farnham View Post

            Because of this...



            There could be a very valuable lesson in copywriting here that others could learn from...

            ~Bill
            Bill,

            My point isn't about what others can do to improve their copywriting skills. It's about what you can do.
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            • Profile picture of the author perryny
              Thank you for posting this, Kurt.

              A long while back I was struggling and needed help. My post was well written, clear and asked specific questions. Zero replies.

              But there sitting atop page 1 was the "I give up" thread with every warrior rallying to the rescue... long after the OP signed off, never to return.

              Man, that ticked me off.

              So I renamed my post "I give up too". It got plenty of attention before a mod rightfully deleted it.
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  • Profile picture of the author good2go4
    I think this is a good idea - to be honest I don't post on really long threads very often unless the topic is something I am really interested in as it takes so long to read through everything. I would be happy to do this, and will - but I find that I have trouble answering those newbie posts like "I don't know anything, tell me everything" when they haven't been on the forum for more than five minutes and obviously have not read or searched for any of the information already here. I did answer a couple and found myself getting a little terse, lol so I have steered clear up till now

    Will change my ways because the OP is right (IMHO) and it is a good idea
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  • Profile picture of the author George Wright
    Hi Kurt,

    I've noticed this for years here. I always look, on purpose, toward the bottom and "boost" a good post if I can.

    However, as mentioned, a lot of the 0 replies deserve no replies, I'm sure you are talking about the ones that do.

    I've "tuned in" to ones I honestly didn't know the answer to and did some research so I could help out.

    It's interesting that this 0 post phenom is something noticed by more than one of us. Thanks for bringing it up.

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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by George Wright View Post

      Hi Kurt,

      I've noticed this for years here. I always look, on purpose, toward the bottom and "boost" a good post if I can.

      However, as mentioned, a lot of the 0 replies deserve no replies, I'm sure you are talking about the ones that do.

      I've "tuned in" to ones I honestly didn't know the answer to and did some research so I could help out.

      It's interesting that this 0 post phenom is something noticed by more than one of us. Thanks for bringing it up.

      George Wright

      Hey George...For me 80%+ were legit.

      But there are some that are very likely auto-posts with the user only having a single post.

      Others were helpful theads, not asking for help, but instead offering it. Probably half the thread I "bumped" were like this...
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  • Profile picture of the author GarrieWilson
    Kurt,

    Some of the ones I skip are mainly because a search would answer it. Others, I've typed responses and deleted it because it wasn't clearly written.

    But overall, you are spot on and we should be reading/replying to topics that will help instead of "OMG Guru ___" Which I am guilty of myself.

    Thanks for the reminder.

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  • Profile picture of the author christopher jon
    Here's a post made by someone that didn't bother checking the first two index pages of the forum:
    How do you block your download page from just any old random person from getting your products?
    Or this person could have 'taken action' and used the search function, 'protect download page' only has a meer 192 results and some of them were even relevant including WD's post.

    While what your suggesting is a great idea, perhaps if threads like 'IMer goes camping', the daily 'take action' self help posts and all of the SEO related threads were posted in the appropriate sub-forums along with individuals using the search function before asking the same old questions over and over again then great posts wouldn't be pushed off the first page so quickly and might even receive the attention they deserve.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeannie Crabtree
    I do this sometimes myself Kurt. I feel like answering a genuine request helps pay back for the help and information I get here myself.

    Like you, I often see the thread start to get some other replies after a bit, if I stick around.

    Don't feel bad about getting no reply yourself, I think it happens to all of us.

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    • Profile picture of the author Customerservice
      Hi Kurt, i introduced myself in the test forum because i couldn't find the introduction thread? At present no replys so am feeling very alone. I have joined this site because it was recommended to me.

      I always respond to a thread if i feel i can provide help and advice to that person. I replied to this thread because i know what you mean.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by Jeannie Crabtree View Post

      I do this sometimes myself Kurt. I feel like answering a genuine request helps pay back for the help and information I get here myself.

      Like you, I often see the thread start to get some other replies after a bit, if I stick around.

      Don't feel bad about getting no reply yourself, I think it happens to all of us.

      Jeannie

      Hey Jeannie... (good to see you).

      I know and agree.
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    I completely agree with the OP. You rock!
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  • Profile picture of the author Super Affiliate
    Kurt,

    First of all, congratulations on your 5000th post. Maybe it was something you've been looking forward to. About what you said, that's a very noble thought and I commend you for it. Many of us are selfish and look only to our own interests. So we tend to join in conversations where a lot of people gather so that we or our "signature" get more attention or recognition. Seems like everything we do, we do it for some kind of gain. But thinking about helping others your way is what many of us would not have thought of doing.

    You're a good man and I salute you!

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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    One thing that keeps a forum like this one hopping, is that the more popular threads stay near the top. The original forums from back in the day, were like the WSO forum. You start a thread and it moves right along down the page. There was no bumping it back up w/ replies. However, some smart person realized that you could keep people on the website longer, and more easily peak the interest of new people, by bumping a replied to thread back up to the top, and allowing the unreplied to posts (boring posts) to slide on down the page

    For this reason I would say that we could set a dangerous president by searching out zero reply threads and bumping them to the top. These forums were programmed in such a way to keep people here longer.

    Now, I rarely skip past the Warrior forum because the page is filled w/ posts that bore me. But it has happened once or twice. And it could happen for more people if we disrupt the natural flow of the boring post.

    Just my 2cents.

    I do think that it's a valiant effort however to search out the interesting yet ignored threads.
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  • Profile picture of the author yharara
    In this forum I think nobody can hope to stay at first to get replies, as one of the biggest forums around with a lot of experts around I think what is left is to get the best content rather than just posting anything.
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  • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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    Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

    I decided to be a solution...I started looking for other threads that got zero responses and were ready to fall off the first or second page.

    I couldn't answer them all, and some were spam, but I did try to at least add a comment to as many as I could to give them a "bump".
    And for every thread you decide to bump, it pushes another
    further down the page.
    Don't you think it would be fairer for people to chose which threads
    they want to read instead of you picking them for us?

    I would have thought there were enough threads artificially
    kept on page one for days on end, without adding to it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by lgibbon View Post

      And for every thread you decide to bump, it pushes another
      further down the page.
      Don't you think it would be fairer for people to chose which threads
      they want to read instead of you picking them for us?

      I would have thought there were enough threads artificially
      kept on page one for days on end, without adding to it.
      Leslie,

      1. Tell me where I said I was choosing which posts for youto reply to? You don't need to make things up. It really hurts your argument.

      2. Admin thanked me.

      3. Threads aren't "artificially bumped". They are intentionally bumped, with added content.

      4. Yeah, those threads about IMer's going camping being bumped 200 times is much better. But they don't count as pushing other threads down. Yeah, right.

      Don't worry, I have you on the "I won't help someone who needs it and is being ignored" list. Good for you.
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    Well done on your 5k post Kurt, in the region of zero replies, yes i very rarely ask any questions and try and help as much as i can, and like you i have the dreaded empty space / no reply to the odd question, but thats OK as I will move on anyway and sort it out and who knows i will be back helping somebody else with those same problems.

    I suppose it is how you look at life, for many its what you give not what you take that is important.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      Hey George...For me 80%+ were legit.

      But there are some that are very likely auto-posts with the user only having a single post.

      Others were helpful theads, not asking for help, but instead offering it. Probably half the thread I "bumped" were like this...
      Congrats on 5,000...

      I see these a lot, and I often have a hard time deciding if I'm reading something offering help, or another article dumped to promote something. If I get the feeling that the poster is really trying to help, I'll comment when I can. If it just feels like an article dump or promo, I let it go.

      Right before I opened this thread, I read one where the subject line seemed to be asking for help. Yet the post itself was an article answering the question. This smelled like pure promo to me, yet the actual information wasn't bad. So I just moved on.

      I guess I'm trying to say that some threads deserve to scroll away. They're not 'bad', meaning they should be reported and deleted. They're just someone's post that didn't get enough interest to get bumped naturally.
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  • Profile picture of the author Loren Woirhaye
    I occasionally start a topic asking a fairly technical question -
    and often those threads go unanswered, which is a bummer,
    so I'll start bumping those sorts of threads myself.

    I'd rather read a brief thread that is cogent and answers the
    question in a few posts.


    I seldom even look at the mammoth, controversy-driven threads.
    One way to recognize them is the inflammatory titles - the other
    is the number of replies.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    PS...Leslie...Looking at your post to thanks ratio...I'll let the numbers speak for themselves, but you have to have one of the lowest "thank you" ratios of any long term Warrior. You may want to work on this and contribute something positive.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Kurt I always try to help out where I can. Most threads with zero replies
      where I don't reply simply have questions I can't answer or aren't sure
      of the answer to and don't want to give misleading advice.

      Also, I don't spend as much time here as I used to so a lot of threads that
      get posted, I simply don't see.

      I guess what boggles MY mind though is that with ALL the people we DO have
      at this forum, there isn't at least ONE person who CAN answer the question
      posed by the OP.

      Zero replies?

      Yeah, I don't get it either, unless there just aren't that many people
      browsing the main forum.

      Don't know the answer to that but it is a puzzle to me.
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    • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      PS...Leslie...Looking at your post to thanks ratio...I'll let the numbers speak for themselves, but you have to have one of the lowest "thank you" ratios of any long term Warrior. You may want to work on this and contribute something positive.
      I'll take your word for that then Kurt.
      I've not considered it that important to spend any time on.
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    • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      PS...Leslie...Looking at your post to thanks ratio...I'll let the numbers speak for themselves, but you have to have one of the lowest "thank you" ratios of any long term Warrior. You may want to work on this and contribute something positive.
      Actually, it's my understanding that Les contributes substantially to the forum. Perhaps you just aren't aware of his history here, or what happens behind the curtains.

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    I like the idea, but I also have to agree with Christopher Jon about people posting in the right areas and using the search function. Allen posted yesterday with a quip about the death penalty and people posting about non-money making topics.
    All to often people come to the forums, sign up for an account, and jump right in on the Main Marketing Forum with "New To Forum, Just Introducing".

    Perhaps putting the "Off Topic Forum" as the first on the list, will help keep these non-marketing posts down. Another idea would be to have someone that has been here for years, and mastered the search function, write a How-To on using the search features to better effect. Then we could ask one of the moderators to sticky it and hope people take the time to read it.

    But yes, thumbs up to keeping posts with 0 replies (legit ones) away from page 3!
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
      Originally Posted by Teravel View Post

      I like the idea, but I also have to agree with Christopher Jon about people posting in the right areas and using the search function. Allen posted yesterday with a quip about the death penalty and people posting about non-money making topics.
      All to often people come to the forums, sign up for an account, and jump right in on the Main Marketing Forum with "New To Forum, Just Introducing".

      Perhaps putting the "Off Topic Forum" as the first on the list, will help keep these non-marketing posts down. Another idea would be to have someone that has been here for years, and mastered the search function, write a How-To on using the search features to better effect. Then we could ask one of the moderators to sticky it and hope people take the time to read it.

      But yes, thumbs up to keeping posts with 0 replies (legit ones) away from page 3!
      Not sure where they are "supposed" to belong, but I actually prefer "New To Forum" posts to be in the main board. Perhaps they are the exception, but they will definitely be introducing themselves to more people in the WF community.

      That's just me, and not the final word.

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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    Oh man! Warning: This response is going to ramble a bit.

    This is how I browse the forum.

    1. Look at threads I am following, or have already contributed to. Respond as needed.

    2. Scan page 1 for threads that may interest me.

    3. Look for posts with 0 replies. Why? In case somebody needs help, OR to see if they need to be reported. I answer when I can, and have noticed the same phenomenon as Kurt. As soon as one person replies, others start to as well (usually). I don't always see these posts, and I don't always have an answer.

    4. Go to pages 2 and 3 and repeat step 1 above.

    Les, I don't see anything wrong with what Kurt is doing. As long as he isn't digging 20 pages deep. He said he doesn't answer all of them, but if he CAN answer, then what difference does it make? That being said...

    Kurt, the thanks ratio is something I look at, too, but keep in mind that not everybody gets thanked as much as they deserve (some get thanked way more, IMHO). ALSO...

    The Thanks button is a relatively new development, and is weighted toward those who have made more posts since it was instituted. So, whereas Les has over 5,000 posts, the question is how many of those posts were made AFTER the Thanks button came into being.

    All the best,
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    p.s. Congratulations on the 5,000 posts, Kurt!

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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

    I decided to be a solution...I started looking for other threads that got zero responses and were ready to fall off the first or second page.

    Like you, I do this when I can, because I know what it feels like to be ignored when I have a real question that needs a solution, a hint of a solution, or something to consider.

    Thank you for helping with this most worthy cause.


    p.s.

    Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

    I answer when I can, and have noticed the same phenomenon as Kurt. As soon as one person replies, others start to as well (usually).
    After reading some comments, from Michael and others, I am inspired to include the following video:

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      I wasn't going to watch that video that is awesome and so true. It reminds me of sporting events when people start chants.



      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      Like you, I do this when I can, because I know what it feels like to be ignored when I have a real question that needs a solution, a hint of a solution, or something to consider.

      Thank you for helping with this most worthy cause.


      p.s.



      After reading some comments, from Michael and others, I am inspired to include the following video:

      YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
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      • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
        Kurt, congrats on your 5000 posts...wow!
        Like you, I try to help out in threads where there are no responses if I know about the topic.
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    Right on Kurt!

    That's the true spirit of the forum right there. Helping others.
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    • Profile picture of the author bretski
      Personally, there are posts that I read that I am tempted to suggest that a poster use the search function or google. But that would just come off as arrogant and mean.

      I'm sorry but a post asking "hows do i makes $1000 a day on the internet" or "how do i set up a wordpress blog" just make me shake my head.

      When I do have time or ambition I do try to offer advice to a newbie but the question is, where do you draw the line?
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
        Originally Posted by bretski View Post

        Personally, there are posts that I read that I am tempted to suggest that a poster use the search function or google. But that would just come off as arrogant and mean.

        I'm sorry but a post asking "hows do i makes $1000 a day on the internet" or "how do i set up a wordpress blog" just make me shake my head.

        When I do have time or ambition I do try to offer advice to a newbie but the question is, where do you draw the line?
        I think you draw the line wherever you like to draw the line...at the moment you are drawing the line. That means the line will shift, and shift often, but that's okay.

        For example, one of my rules of thumb is to report any posts that mention WSOs. However, there are times when they are asked in a way that makes me not report them.

        Sometimes it's a function of the poster's attitude, sometimes it's a fucntion of mine. Either way, I think the only hard and fast rule is to respond where and when you feel like it.

        All the best,
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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    Hey Kurt,

    I often look for posts with zero replies to check whether I can help before I exit the forum, like you say, usually the busy threads are just the mutual back-patting society or arguing about something trivial that people want to push their perspective about so I don't read most of the posts I see unless the name of the OP catches my attention.

    Thanks for adding another dose of sanity and community.

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  • Profile picture of the author oneplusone
    Maybe threads with no replies should be locked at the top of page 1 upon creation, and can only drop down as normal after they have received at least 1 reply.

    Just a thought.
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    I sometimes find that my threads take a few days sometimes to get replied, especially if the answer requires research or is a little complicated.
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    Congrats on 5,000 Kurt, and on demonstrating a generosity of spirit.
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