I feel discouraged, lost and sad.

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Hi gurus, masters, educated, pros,

I'm so down now. I have been doing my research and taking action plans for the past 2-3 months; bought several products, trial and error, uploading videos in utubes, posting ads in classified.com etc; following instructions of diff 'pros'

And I was not able to earn a single buck. A single penny. What big picture am I really missing here?

Why is it that you all all perhaps majority of you all seem to be making consistant money or for some, big bucks. And yet me, not a lazy person who has been consistantly trying his best, are not able to earn a single $.

Am I really that bad? What am I missing here. I'm worrying now because im afraid my motivation to continue working hard may dry off soon.

I feel like weeping man.
#discouraged #feel #lost #sad
  • You are the majority, the ones you see making money, are the minority.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ivan2011
      Ok. But I believe im the minorities who are not even able to earn his 1st dollar online. how pathetic can that be? especially with that amount of effort & hardwrk i put in.

      it seems that im missing something which I have totally no clue.

      I dont ask for much, all I wan is to able to c my 1st $ and that can sustain my level of commitment :/
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      • Profile picture of the author PabloVTB
        Originally Posted by Ivan2011 View Post

        Ok. But I believe im the minorities who are not even able to earn his 1st dollar online. how pathetic can that be? especially with that amount of effort & hardwrk i put in.

        it seems that im missing something which I have totally no clue.

        I dont ask for much, all I wan is to able to c my 1st $ and that can sustain my level of commitment :/
        It's not about working hard, nor smart. It's about working right, I heard someone say today.

        Ivan, what have you been doing so far? Clickbank Affiliate Marketing?

        A good way to get started is by offering some services. It will take your time away, but once you see you can make some money online you'll hopefully invest those earnings in setting up systems that work for themselves
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    • Profile picture of the author allenjohn
      Hi,

      One of The 77 Secrets is to "Never, ever give up". But I would like to suggest that you have been following the wrong mentors....

      All the very best, Allen
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      • Profile picture of the author Ivan2011
        allenjohn, im really not sure abt that. Im now a millionaire society member (wonder u heard b4) but it seems to me that all what Mack -founder of M.S seems to be logical and workable.
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        • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
          Originally Posted by Ivan2011 View Post

          allenjohn, im really not sure abt that. Im now a millionaire society member (wonder u heard b4) but it seems to me that all what Mack -founder of M.S seems to be logical and workable.
          I had never heard of this millionaire society but they say they provide 1 on 1 personal mentoring and support this an excerpt from their site:

          "As a member, you will have 24/7 access to their secrets, mentoring, video training, blueprints and 1 on 1 support"

          if this is the case then just sit down with them and make a real plan don't beat a dead horse if what you are doing is not working get some direction and give it a go
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          • Profile picture of the author Ivan2011
            WD Mino. Currently that society is still undergoing development... alot more features to be added more.. regarding the 1on1 mentor session and personal video thing.. it might not be that case. in fact, it is that they assign a staff to u who can ans ur qus thru email or phone...
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            • Profile picture of the author linkbeasts
              Originally Posted by Ivan2011 View Post

              WD Mino. Currently that society is still undergoing development... alot more features to be added more.. regarding the 1on1 mentor session and personal video thing.. it might not be that case. in fact, it is that they assign a staff to u who can ans ur qus thru email or phone...
              To gently put it Ivan, if your website uses the spelling and grammar you are using in your posts and if you are targeting English speaking people, its no wonder you are not getting traffic and sales.

              Brush up a little on the English.

              It also sounds like you do not know many of the terms used in the industry, I can tell from your posts you are lacking in some key info that you should really have if you are to do what you are doing. I would suggest reading up more and cease paying 97 a month for this venture you are into as the only one making any money at the moment is them.

              If your blog has posts which are written as your posts here are, then you need to fix the posts on the blog. Spend some time reading. Knowledge is power. I spent a good many months simply reading and learning before I took any action. Again information is power. Narrow your reading down to something you would like to do and read all you can on the topic as well as any side topics you would need to learn, such as SEO.

              PS I am no grammar master, I am hardly perfect with writing, but when you are selling to people or trying to get people to act you have to convey yourself in a certain way.

              It is not hopeless. Just go back to the drawing board.
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      • Profile picture of the author Landis
        Originally Posted by allenjohn View Post

        Hi,

        One of The 77 Secrets is to "Never, ever give up". But I would like to suggest that you have been following the wrong mentors....

        All the very best, Allen
        LOL, thats a secret? :confused:
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      • Profile picture of the author theantihype
        I'm sorry for your misfortune.

        Be a wise man and use what you've experienced ---

        99% of the crap sold in the internet marketing business is by someone trying to rip you off! If the title has "free", "auto", "massive", or any other hype name in the title, it is likely JUNK!
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    • Profile picture of the author chofawundaga
      Originally Posted by Jason Perez O'Connor View Post

      You are the majority, the ones you see making money, are the minority.
      Just keep trying, any lasting business requires time and lots of effort.Don`t give up.Continue,you will soon see the light,believe me.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jouvan Johnson
      Originally Posted by Jason Perez O'Connor View Post

      You are the majority, the ones you see making money, are the minority.
      keep going don't give up.. most of us quit when success is just around the corner
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnA
    I KNOW WHERE YOU ARE COMING FROM!!!

    feel your pain!!

    for me-- I had to decide to get training --1 on1 -- with someone that was referred to me by a person in the IM world that I trust--her name is Sara Young- and the training is what pushed her to new heights-- tristan bull

    A MAJOR factor he teaches is: DO NOT START ANOTHER PROGRAM OR SPEND ANOTHER DOLLAR ON ANY NEW SHINY THING TILL YOU MASTER THIS ONE SYSTEM!

    good luck friend!
    JohnA
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    • Profile picture of the author Ivan2011
      JohnA, may i know what is IM?
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      • Profile picture of the author Diane S
        Originally Posted by Ivan2011 View Post

        JohnA, may i know what is IM?
        IM is Internet Marketing
        MMO is Make Money Online

        and the list goes on and on.....

        Sorry you feel discouraged, and I know that feeling well from when I was a newbie. What basic model have you been trying and what specific questions do you have for us? Maybe we can help...
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        • Profile picture of the author Ivan2011
          Diane S, thnks for xplaining. I dono whether is there any specific name for the current models im using now. all i can say is that I have created my blog/website after 2 weeks of hard work and research... and den uploaded some videos in utubes... submitting some articles... trying xtremely hard to add friends in fb etc... and after that i monitor my website with a program that can see how many traffic it brought it.. i was shock that it is hardly even one person came in :|
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Ivan,

        Which part of this formula are you missing?

        Traffic x Conversions = $$$

        Do you have a product people are willing to pay for? If so, are you getting the info about your product in front of the people who already want to buy it? Do you explain the benefits in a way that gets them to make the decision they already want to make?

        Your success will rest on how well you do with each of those things. It's not complicated, as long as you keep that formula in mind.


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        • Profile picture of the author Ivan2011
          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          Ivan,

          Which part of this formula are you missing?

          Traffic x Conversions = $$$

          Do you have a product people are willing to pay for? If so, are you getting the info about your product in front of the people who already want to buy it? Do you explain the benefits in a way that gets them to make the decision they already want to make?

          Your success will rest on how well you do with each of those things. It's not complicated, as long as you keep that formula in mind.


          Paul
          I doubt i manage to get traffic as I monitor my website with a program which told me that hardly even 1 person comes in despite me uploading serveral videos and articles around the net.

          can u pls explain to me what is conversion? As regarding those qus u ask below.. "do u hav a produc tt ppl wana buy etc".. i don hav my own product. in fact im promoting a society where it offes info and tips for internet marketers to market others products...
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        • Profile picture of the author Chri5123
          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          Ivan,

          Which part of this formula are you missing?

          Traffic x Conversions = $$$

          Do you have a product people are willing to pay for? If so, are you getting the info about your product in front of the people who already want to buy it? Do you explain the benefits in a way that gets them to make the decision they already want to make?

          Your success will rest on how well you do with each of those things. It's not complicated, as long as you keep that formula in mind.


          Paul
          This ^

          Now if you are feeling down you might look at that and say "It is not that easy!" but it REALLY is!

          The key is focusing on the RIGHT things.

          Let me put it like this - hell I will GIVE you a niche.

          I am in the World of Warcraft niche - it is a game, a massive game that people play online.

          Now they pay a subscription fee to play the game and it consists of leveling up your player and getting "Gold" the currency in the game to get the best things.

          Now people want to be the best in that game and I have a gold guide showing them how to make gold.

          It converts, simple!

          Sure you have to put thought into who you are targeting and how to get across your message.

          You have to learn all of those things.

          But I will say this look for the HUNGRY niches that need help with something.

          It IS as simple as that.

          You don't even need to make your own product you can be an affiliate to get started.

          Don't get disheartened!

          You know more now than when you started, just have a rethink and then as the song says "Brush yourself off and try again!"

          Chris
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      • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
        With respect Ivan, if you have to ask what IM is, then you still have a great deal further to go in your education.

        Don't believe all those people who say they came online and started making mega bucks straight away because just about all of them are telling porkies.

        IM (Internet marketing) needs lots of commitment and study. It's also an area which changes day by day. Don't worry about not making any money yet, just keep on working at it and studying those who have made a success. (Hint it's not always those who say they are successful)

        Kim

        Originally Posted by Ivan2011 View Post

        JohnA, may i know what is IM?
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        • Profile picture of the author JPSimplySites
          Hello Ivan,

          Believe me I know exactly how you feel. I have been at this for 2 years and I am still not making the kind of money I thought I would make by now but I have learned SO, SO MUCH.

          Making money online requires a lot of skills that take a lot of time to develop. Once you have developed the required skills, it takes a lot more time to implement what you have learned and consistently doing it day in and day out for many months if not years before you make any consistent money. In my opinion, it takes an average person 3-5 years seriously working consistently in this industry before he/she can make a good full-time income. The first two years are spent on figuring out what to do and then the third - fifth year are spent working consistently with the method you have chosen to make your income. Remember, the point is to provide value to the end users. Make sure your focus is on helping others get what they want (the more the better) rather making money, then for sure the money will come.

          I made a lot of mistakes and spent thousands of dollars trying to find a quick way to make money online. It doesn't exist. If you really want to make money online, you have to give yourself a lot more time than just a few months.

          I read the responses in this thread and a lot of them are right on. Take heed and keep your chin up. If you really want this, you can have it, but don't rush and don't put so much pressure on yourself like you have been doing. It will just make you feel so discouraged that you may not continue.

          Also, in my humble opinion, the $97 a month is way too much money for you to spend right now. I say that from experience. I spent $3000 right off the bat paying a Guru to teach me how to make money online. He promised that I will make $1000 a month by the 12th month. It didn't work. The learning curve is very steep in this industry and it took me a long time to get going with a full time job and a family to care for at home. Unless you came into this with prior skills (website building, copy writing, list building, etc.) give yourself a lot more time to get your knowledge and skills built up before expecting to make any money.

          I am sharing with you from my personal experience and assessment. You do whatever you feel is best for you, of course. There are a lot of really great advice given to you from others here. I wish you the best of luck. Remember, the more you work, the luckier you get.
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  • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
    What niche are you targeting?
    Though these are some steps it would help if you relayed what you were trying to make money with. Are you trying to sell ice to the desert? (figure of speech)

    Are you trying to promote other people's products? Or have you made your own?

    Without knowing this it is hard to give some direction but I will say this. Don't feel discouraged my friend it took me well over a year and a half to start making money I did make a sale when I first started I created a product followed the steps like you say here and made 1 sales Not the millions I dreamt of

    Persistence following the right kind of plan of action will pay off but I encourage you to share a little more so people can better offer you the right advice.
    cheers
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    • Profile picture of the author Ivan2011
      Wd Mino. I am starting out as an affiliate marketer. I hav 0 knowledge of making my own product so I left with no choice but to promote products or services by others. For instance, im currently promoting for Millionaire Society where it offers info on effective marketing abt others' products. yup.. may i knw what more info shd i provide? I really wish to see 1$ pop up in my clikbank account sigh.
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      • Profile picture of the author Diane S
        Originally Posted by Ivan2011 View Post

        Wd Mino. I am starting out as an affiliate marketer. I hav 0 knowledge of making my own product so I left with no choice but to promote products or services by others. For instance, im currently promoting for Millionaire Society where it offers info on effective marketing abt others' products. yup.. may i knw what more info shd i provide? I really wish to see 1$ pop up in my clikbank account sigh.
        The gravity on domain flipping by millionaire society is about 15. That is not real high. How is your squeeze page? Compelling, with a strong call to action? How many links have you built to your squeeze page? What keywords does your squeeze page rank for?
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        • Profile picture of the author Ivan2011
          Diane S. do you think its okay for me to provide you the link to my website?
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  • trust me, don't feel so bad, that is infact the majority. Some have gone years without doing it. Possibly doing some services for someone could re-ignite your motivation.
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  • Profile picture of the author CAPTCHAbiz
    I think today is far easy to make online income. Why not try fiverr or zeerk?
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    • Profile picture of the author Ivan2011
      thanks i jus view these webpages.. seem very interesting. but i do wish to become a successful internet marketer! i don wish to get stuck in my shift work and furthermore i hav to start earning more now due to prevent some unforseen circumstances nx time just in case.. a long story thou
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      • Profile picture of the author CAPTCHAbiz
        Originally Posted by Ivan2011 View Post

        thanks i jus view these webpages.. seem very interesting. but i do wish to become a successful internet marketer! i don wish to get stuck in my shift work and furthermore i hav to start earning more now due to prevent some unforseen circumstances nx time just in case.. a long story thou
        Before everything, you need to change your way of thinking, open window get some fresh air, deep breathe and then accept simple fact, "If THEY are making money, why cant i, I CAN!"
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  • Profile picture of the author jamesrich1
    Go back to one of the courses that you believe in and spend the next 6 months like an obsessed madman working the steps. I imagine that you are going to be doing SEO right? The people are right about you being the majority. I didn't earn anything in 2010, and I was trying but kept product hopping.

    You must stick to something for long term. Time for me to get off of here and back to work. Warrior forum is good for getting targeted leads. Where is your website that you focused on?
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    • Profile picture of the author Ivan2011
      I targeting on wwwdotmillionairesocietydotcom where Im required to pay 97 USD monthly. I admit that I learnt alot from there as such I'hv decided and will commit promoting for it despite the fact that I got no result for 2months...
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      • Profile picture of the author Diane S
        Originally Posted by Ivan2011 View Post

        I targeting on wwwdotmillionairesocietydotcom where Im required to pay 97 USD monthly. I admit that I learnt alot from there as such I'hv decided and will commit promoting for it despite the fact that I got no result for 2months...
        $97 a month??? OUCH!

        You can be their affiliate for the domain flipping without paying them any money at all.
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      • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
        Originally Posted by Ivan2011 View Post

        I targeting on wwwdotmillionairesocietydotcom where Im required to pay 97 USD monthly. I admit that I learnt alot from there as such I'hv decided and will commit promoting for it despite the fact that I got no result for 2months...
        So this is a ploy to get people to this site?
        Something not adding up here you have access to a 24 /7 support team and you are here asking for advice but making sure to drop the name of the site and that you are promoting it.:confused:
        I will leave you to it
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        • Profile picture of the author Ivan2011
          yea on the surface it seems that they offer 24/7 support. but usually i oni get reply more than a day or so.. tts y i rather ask u guys here becuase i think u all are more 'humans' than that society because i will never know whether did they hide anything up in their sleeves..
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      • Profile picture of the author Tony Marriott
        Originally Posted by Ivan2011 View Post

        I targeting on wwwdotmillionairesocietydotcom where Im required to pay 97 USD monthly. I admit that I learnt alot from there as such I'hv decided and will commit promoting for it despite the fact that I got no result for 2months...
        Sorry, but you haven't learned a lot. At least not anything that will make you any money as you have clearly stated yourself.

        If all you are doing is following a program that shows you how to promote the program then you have chosen a very poor business model indeed.

        For the money you are paying you will find plenty of very credible and well respected warriors who offer mentor or coaching services. Proper coaching (not a get rich quick scheme) is the fastest way to getting started.

        For the record I myself promoted for Mack Michaels original membership site when I first started online with zero success so am fully aware of the model.
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        • Profile picture of the author louise0evans
          If you think you are a failure you will be, that's the difference between winners and losers,winners see themselves winners before they have made the success they want....success is not a journey more a destination, just believe on urself never give up and keep at it!
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        • Profile picture of the author ConnorMcCreesh
          Personally the eurika moment for me was selling products on forums. If you are really just looking to make a little money (does not have to be massive, just the fact that you make some can be enough drive), I suggest you whip up a quick 20 pages product and sell it at digital point, then move it to the WSO forum when you earn $40 from digital point.

          Head over to tradebit and find a product bundle for a couple of bucks on one of these; SEO, Link building, List Building, Offline Marketing, Article Marketing, Auto Blogging.

          When you have the bundle just look through them until you find the best product. Get open office (free) Rewrite all of that to give you a basic outline of a product. You can then look through all of the other products in the bundle and select the best quality information from them to rewrite and add to your product.

          I suggest you sell it on digital point for about $5 so you can sell it on the "cheap stuff" forum, this is active enough to make some sales.

          Then take it to the warrior forum and launch it at $1, this will bring in lots of comments and testimonials. You should be making a hell of a lot of sales at $1, and it also works better then offing it free usually as people just see through this as a list building ploy. After you have some reviews and momentum use a program like warrior plus to bump your price up by $1 for every 3 sales you make. In your sales copy you should say the price is rising every 8 sales or so, this creates a panic buying.

          You can also use WSO pro to start automatically building a list, get to 200 or so people on your list from cheap WSO sales and you will have a brilliant, buying list that you can start doing Ad Swaps with.

          Anyway I waffle on to much. Start taking action! Selling on forums gets quick results!

          Kind Regards,
          Connor
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          • Profile picture of the author adadsreview
            Originally Posted by ConnorMcCreesh View Post

            Personally the eurika moment for me was selling products on forums. If you are really just looking to make a little money (does not have to be massive, just the fact that you make some can be enough drive), I suggest you whip up a quick 20 pages product and sell it at digital point, then move it to the WSO forum when you earn $40 from digital point.

            Head over to tradebit and find a product bundle for a couple of bucks on one of these; SEO, Link building, List Building, Offline Marketing, Article Marketing, Auto Blogging.

            When you have the bundle just look through them until you find the best product. Get open office (free) Rewrite all of that to give you a basic outline of a product. You can then look through all of the other products in the bundle and select the best quality information from them to rewrite and add to your product.

            I suggest you sell it on digital point for about $5 so you can sell it on the "cheap stuff" forum, this is active enough to make some sales.

            Then take it to the warrior forum and launch it at $1, this will bring in lots of comments and testimonials. You should be making a hell of a lot of sales at $1, and it also works better then offing it free usually as people just see through this as a list building ploy. After you have some reviews and momentum use a program like warrior plus to bump your price up by $1 for every 3 sales you make. In your sales copy you should say the price is rising every 8 sales or so, this creates a panic buying.

            You can also use WSO pro to start automatically building a list, get to 200 or so people on your list from cheap WSO sales and you will have a brilliant, buying list that you can start doing Ad Swaps with.

            Anyway I waffle on to much. Start taking action! Selling on forums gets quick results!

            Kind Regards,
            Connor

            Awesome info Connor... Thanks for sharing!

            Rob
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            • Profile picture of the author ConnorMcCreesh
              Just trying to lend a friendly hand. I struggled with the problem of not getting off the ground, in fact I was ecstatic when I made my first $20 affiliate sale.... all though the site only paid out in $100's so I never got it..

              Anyway for me the forum products was my break through. I used a product that was selling well in a niche that interested me. Rewrote it, added some extra info into it and launched it. Did not make any spectacular money but was making about 40 x $1 sales between checking the computer which gives a real buzz.

              So personally I think that all most people need is that initial feeling that actually you can do it, and it is not hard. Just put a little time in and be smart.

              Kind Regards,
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          • Profile picture of the author adnima
            Originally Posted by ConnorMcCreesh View Post

            Personally the eurika moment for me was selling products on forums. If you are really just looking to make a little money (does not have to be massive, just the fact that you make some can be enough drive), I suggest you whip up a quick 20 pages product and sell it at digital point, then move it to the WSO forum when you earn $40 from digital point.

            Head over to tradebit and find a product bundle for a couple of bucks on one of these; SEO, Link building, List Building, Offline Marketing, Article Marketing, Auto Blogging.

            When you have the bundle just look through them until you find the best product. Get open office (free) Rewrite all of that to give you a basic outline of a product. You can then look through all of the other products in the bundle and select the best quality information from them to rewrite and add to your product.

            I suggest you sell it on digital point for about $5 so you can sell it on the "cheap stuff" forum, this is active enough to make some sales.

            Then take it to the warrior forum and launch it at $1, this will bring in lots of comments and testimonials. You should be making a hell of a lot of sales at $1, and it also works better then offing it free usually as people just see through this as a list building ploy. After you have some reviews and momentum use a program like warrior plus to bump your price up by $1 for every 3 sales you make. In your sales copy you should say the price is rising every 8 sales or so, this creates a panic buying.

            You can also use WSO pro to start automatically building a list, get to 200 or so people on your list from cheap WSO sales and you will have a brilliant, buying list that you can start doing Ad Swaps with.

            Anyway I waffle on to much. Start taking action! Selling on forums gets quick results!

            Kind Regards,
            Connor
            Its this kind of reply to a post that is what makes this forum so great-others telling each other what has worked for them. Here Connor has laid out a simple method for starting to make a little money and build a list. It is the sort of plan that will give you the belief and momentum to persevere because you are not expecting too much too soon-just something that you can build on.

            Thanks for sharing Connor.
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            • Profile picture of the author Deedee11
              Wow what a bunch of kind people gather here. Thank you all for your kind help to this new (hopeful) IMer

              It seems to me that most of us do fall victim (in the beginning) to the "This is so easy a child can do it and the money is going to come POURING in with little effort" which in other words is a get rich scheme.

              I started making money when some kind seasoned IMers made suggestions, just like in this thread, and I followed their advice.

              Good job Warriors; on other forums they would have made sure that this newbie quit for good with their hating comments. Thanks for making me feel good to day to be human . . . and an IMER

              Abundant success to you all,
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              • Profile picture of the author patchou
                Vince Lombardi Quotes - Winners never quit and quitters never win...

                Tony Robbins Quotes - We will either find a way or MAKE one!....

                Follow a plan,
                and Focus on building a e-mail list first, before trying to sell, otherwise you'll send all your traffic to someone else hoping that customer will buy on their first visit witch is not the case for 99% of them
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          • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
            Originally Posted by nerrutis View Post

            I would advise you to stop buying products which costs 27 -37 -47 $ and promises you "push button millions" "get rich quick schemes" - you should understand this kind of miracle does not exist.
            Pay at least 50 -100 $ for a product - this delivers much more.
            i could advise you mobilabs.n.e.t (don`t want to give credits to the website i don`t own) they deliver more. Also i would advise you to look for newer business models.
            Sorry, but that's nuts. Price does not necessarily equate to quality in the MMO niche. I've seen $17 products that were far superior to $97 products. Bet you have too if you think about it.


            Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

            Just because something doesn't work on YOU doesn't mean it doesn't work at ALL.
            That's something I have to keep reminding myself of on a regular basis.
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  • Profile picture of the author nerrutis
    Originally Posted by Ivan2011 View Post

    Hi gurus, masters, educated, pros,

    I'm so down now. I have been doing my research and taking action plans for the past 2-3 months; bought several products, trial and error, uploading videos in utubes, posting ads in classified.com etc; following instructions of diff 'pros'

    And I was not able to earn a single buck. A single penny. What big picture am I really missing here?

    Why is it that you all all perhaps majority of you all seem to be making consistant money or for some, big bucks. And yet me, not a lazy person who has been consistantly trying his best, are not able to earn a single $.

    Am I really that bad? What am I missing here. I'm worrying now because im afraid my motivation to continue working hard may dry off soon.

    I feel like weeping man.
    I would advise you to stop buying products which costs 27 -37 -47 $ and promises you "push button millions" "get rich quick schemes" - you should understand this kind of miracle does not exist.
    Pay at least 50 -100 $ for a product - this delivers much more.
    i could advise you mobilabs.n.e.t (don`t want to give credits to the website i don`t own) they deliver more. Also i would advise you to look for newer business models.
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  • Profile picture of the author Miles Kral
    Before we can give you any solid advice, you need to tell us exactly what you are doing and what you are focusing on. We can't tell if you're doing something wrong without more specific information.

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  • Profile picture of the author SteveJohnson
    Originally Posted by Ivan2011 View Post

    Hi gurus, masters, educated, pros,

    I'm so down now. I have been doing my research and taking action plans for the past 2-3 months; bought several products, trial and error, uploading videos in utubes, posting ads in classified.com etc; following instructions of diff 'pros'

    And I was not able to earn a single buck. A single penny. What big picture am I really missing here?

    Why is it that you all all perhaps majority of you all seem to be making consistant money or for some, big bucks. And yet me, not a lazy person who has been consistantly trying his best, are not able to earn a single $.

    Am I really that bad? What am I missing here. I'm worrying now because im afraid my motivation to continue working hard may dry off soon.

    I feel like weeping man.
    Poor guy.


    When you're done with your therapy session, why don't you do what all successful people do?

    1. Know what you want
    2. Take action
    3. See if it's working
    4. Adjust your course

    Seems to me you're missing out on 3 and 4. If what you're doing isn't working, do something else!
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  • lol, at the start you say you've plugged away at it for 2-3 months. Then later on you say you've worked really hard on the blog for 2 weeks? which one is it, make your mind up

    and why is your grammar getting progressively worse? Getting to the point of gibberish.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ivan2011
      that 2-3 months im referrin is doing research in the net.. as for the 2 weeks is for setting up my website to promote that society im currently working on right now.. sorry if my english is unclear.. im trying my best.
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      • Profile picture of the author JRCarson
        Originally Posted by Ivan2011 View Post

        that 2-3 months im referrin is doing research in the net.. as for the 2 weeks is for setting up my website to promote that society im currently working on right now.. sorry if my english is unclear.. im trying my best.
        I think it helps to think about learning IM being like going to college for a degree. Because that's the alternative, right? You could take a couple years and learn this business, or give up and go to college for a couple years.

        It may take a little time. Things worth having do. Insert another cliche here...
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    • Profile picture of the author The Bad Blogger
      The first thing u need to know is how long does people become successful... because u need to know the number 1 failure is not anything but your mind... u need to understand if your mind is telling u to give up... u will eventually give up... so in order to get through this you need to believe in yourself ... not the stuff u do... if you do not believe u can succeed... u never will... so make sure u think positive and start by giving yourself a good rest before u start any thing
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  • should just take more time to write what you are trying to say so others can understand, no point in rushing.
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  • And btw you're promoting that society? That would be harder to do as a newbie wouldn't you think? what do they teach you inside of this society?
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    • Profile picture of the author Ivan2011
      well im not really sure is it suitable for me to promote.. it is just that I compared this society among those products i bought before and the result was that im a lot more convinced and attracted to Msociety...

      they teach marketers like us to promote other ppls products... ways to get traffic and etc....
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        Originally Posted by Ivan2011 View Post

        well im not really sure is it suitable for me to promote.. it is just that I compared this society among those products i bought before and the result was that im a lot more convinced and attracted to Msociety...

        they teach marketers like us to promote other ppls products... ways to get traffic and etc....
        Apparently they don't, lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author jamesrich1
    Bottom line people not making money shouldn't be promoting make money products. People don't believe you. Go in a niche like golf, or wedding speech, or yeast infection, or beat software. If someone is telling me a make money product works, I wanna see video proof with you showing me checks.
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    • Profile picture of the author marketingstatic
      Originally Posted by jamesrich1 View Post

      Bottom line people not making money shouldn't be promoting make money products. People don't believe you. Go in a niche like golf, or wedding speech, or yeast infection, or beat software. If someone is telling me a make money product works, I wanna see video proof with you showing me checks.
      Ding...Ding....Ding: I learned a long time ago from a wise mature gentleman who was assigned to me as my trainer in a group I joined called Primerica Financial Services selling insurance etc... He said any person trys to tell you that made xxxxx last year in MLM or what ever business say that's terrific, can I see your Tax Documents for proof your not lying to me to get me to sign up. If they are offended or make an excuse its not legit. He got me in Primerica by telling me hey I'm self employed and this is what I made and he showed me his tax returns for the last 3 years and I was invited to his 4000 sq foot home on a few occasions before I committed to working with
      The only other alternative would be if it was a new business venture in which case you have to be prepared to really do your homework and take it for what it is and UNKOWN and ask do I really want to venture there and what type of a learner am I ?
      If your a personality type that doesn't do well unless its hands on like the majority of America then good luck with implementing things from watching videos and reading. If you dont know your personality/learning type is then you really need to step back and start with what are your strengths and weaknesses like any business and make a plan to hire people off fiverr or similar sites to do the things you either hate or don't understand how to do because you cant do it (whatever it is) alone. Who ever pegged the term Soloprenuer should be shot in my opinion because there is no such thing.
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  • Profile picture of the author JMac
    Ivan,

    Also understand that many of the things you see advertised DO NOT work. There are many people who spout off about some new system, sell some copies and then disappear only to return again under a different name. Also understand that MOST people do not make money online, if they did, we would not have so many people with signature links to "make millions online" but asking how to make money here in this forum.

    If I were you, I wold start a blog about the things you have tried and tell people what worked and what did not work. It is a great outlet and eventually can make you money on the side.
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  • Profile picture of the author Capitalist_Pig
    It sounds like your goal is to make money - in my opinion, this is the wrongw ay to go about it. Reset your goals - you should be trying to learn how to make money.

    It doesn't matter how long it takes you to do this - because once it's done, money is the easy part.
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    • Profile picture of the author netkid
      Ivan,

      It took me about a year and 4 months before I started to make money. It is a trial and error process. I think you are taken in with too many get rich now or get rich quick messages in these IM programs you are seeing.

      Reality, it takes time. The old adage, "fail fast" will get you to the success you need to make money.

      Main key here is to not give up....keep trying something, anything, and learn from each experience.

      A true businessman never gives up....just tweaks their system along the way....
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  • Profile picture of the author lotsofsnow
    If you try to make money, you will fail.

    Only the government is allowed to make money (Ha Ha. LOL)

    No, seriously, money is the wrong approach. Try to help somebody. The more people you can really help, the money you will make.

    Money is just the thing given in exchange for a valuable product or service.

    So, look at what you can do and then see how you can help others with what you can do.

    In the real world: If you can paint houses, you help somebody else with painting their house and then you get paid in exchange. Or you can repair cars and help somebody with their broken car and then you get paid in exchange.

    On the internet it is the same thing. Find something that you can do and then see how you can offer that either as a service (writing, programming, coaching) or as a product (ebook, video, software etc.).

    That is basically all there is to it.



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    • Profile picture of the author stonehammer
      Originally Posted by hpgoodboy View Post

      No, seriously, money is the wrong approach. Try to help somebody. The more people you can really help, the money you will make.

      Money is just the thing given in exchange for a valuable product or service.

      So, look at what you can do and then see how you can help others with what you can do.
      haha, i only just realized this very important point myself

      and i also realized that 'general sites' are not so good at making money...if making money is your main aim, you need to stick to niches with a high cost per click
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  • Profile picture of the author davidschuller
    Ok, First off. Just signed up today, like to say Hi to everybody, and it is good to be here.
    I don't know if this legitt or not or if it's just a way to get us to your site, but anyway. Most of us have been there at one time or another. The biggest weapon is the "can do" attitude.
    There are so many new things out there, some good, some bad. The truth is they all play on our emotions.
    I read somewhere recently that the #1 reason people fail in home based business is because "They QUIT". So keep moving ahead and you will eventually succeed.
    Good day to you all
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    • Profile picture of the author JamieSEO
      Originally Posted by davidschuller View Post

      Ok, First off. Just signed up today, like to say Hi to everybody, and it is good to be here.
      I don't know if this legitt or not or if it's just a way to get us to your site, but anyway. Most of us have been there at one time or another. The biggest weapon is the "can do" attitude.
      There are so many new things out there, some good, some bad. The truth is they all play on our emotions.
      I read somewhere recently that the #1 reason people fail in home based business is because "They QUIT". So keep moving ahead and you will eventually succeed.
      Good day to you all
      David Schuller
      Some great internet marketers that are now making a great income actually went broke when they first started out.

      First make sure you are measuring yourself realistically against others... If you have only been working at this for a few months you are going to be very much in the "trial and error" stage.

      Second decide if you are just here for a quick pay day, or if you genuinely want to provide value to your buyers. The fastest way to make sales when starting out is unfortunately to lie or exaggerate to suck in money. This has damaged the industry a great deal, and so working on building trust if you are looking at longer term is much more important.

      There are many different methods you can use to make money online - how suitable a particular method will be for you depends on your own skills, goals and lifestyle.

      Rather than trying to follow some "get rich quick" blueprint - write yourself a list of topics that you know something about. If you know how to repair a leaking faucet... you already have a way to use that information to make money! Create an article, ebook, MP3 or video that explains how to... then either sell that creation or add an affiliate product link to it and upload it to article or video sites.

      The key is exactly what David mentioned... people fail because they quit! Those that succeed just keep trying until they get where they want to go
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  • Profile picture of the author eppingvonryan
    Remember most people involved in Internet marketing are not making any money all...That's right the stats say 93% make ZIP...... Do not believe a lot of what people tell you about earnings, there are a lot of liars out there!!

    If you see anywhere a product that offers amazing amounts of money ignore it it will all be lies......Think about it for a moment............... if you really could make $50,000 dollars say in your first month, in about a year there would be no one left in the first world not making $50,000 a month!!!!!!!!
    I have been at this game for three years this month i admit I do not have as much time to dedicate to it as I should (about 10hrs a week) but i still only make a few hundred a month...its a long learning process but the best advice i can give is to pick one single approach be it CPA-PPC-Video marketing-or site creation and back link building...and stick with it until you succeed. do not deviate or buy one single unrelated info product until you are making steady regular money.....sorry it's boring but it is the ONLY way...It's hard work and dedicated graft mate but there ain't no way around it.....
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    • Profile picture of the author Flamboyantegg
      Hard work and focusing your interests will definitely help you towards your goal of "making the moneyz".

      However, don't set yourself an exact money target that you HAVE to reach; make your first priority to understand ONE ASPECT of Internet Marketing deeply, whether it be on-site SEO, writing good articles, PPC advertising, CPA advertising etc.

      Don't be a jack-of-all-trades, become great at one and go from there. Once you've learnt one skill, you will be able to either make money directly from that skill or by offering a service.

      I'm currently devoting probably 40-50 hours a week to IM learning and implementations and after a month of it, I'm still terrible! It's a long process, but the rewards far out-weight the short term difficulties.

      Keep learning, keep building, keep refining... Keep at it!
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      • Profile picture of the author corycrabb
        yes I agree when first starting its a huge learning curve and its always best to take it one step by step at a time. You're on the right path keep it up!
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      • Profile picture of the author Gail Ogden
        You so sound like me in the beginning.

        To me it doesn't sound like you are getting the correct information about IM. Even here a few of answers you got are wrong. For instance Tristian Bull's present course is not for someone who is brand new.

        Also $97 dollars a month is a lot to pay when you are not earning anything. Just because someone says they are going to teach you IM does not mean that they even know how. Or if they know do they know how to teach what they know. Unfortunately, in some cases there are dishonest marketers just trying to take your money.

        I've been around for a while and I know that there are lots of different ways to make money online. You need to look into more than one way to find the way that best suits you. The choose one and fully focus on it.



        Stop paying lots of money monthly if you are not getting the help you need.

        Go back to school - start learning the basics. Learn the good and the bad of online marketing first before you head out and try to make the big bucks.

        I get nothing (no money) for telling this. I just know how hard it is to find folks that honestly teach the basics. For instance Sarah Young (Easy Paycheck Formula) was mentioned above. Her course is good, but it is based on article marketing so you would have to write much better English.

        You should check out guys like Chris Farrell (Chris Farrell Membership), Mark Ling (Affilorama), KenTroyer (AffiliatPower) they all have great membership sites for newbies. If you don't want another monthly fee, check out Matt Charters (Rapid Profit Formula). As I said I am not in any way affiliated with these guys. I never met them but I have seen their training and know that is very detailed for newbie marketers and they don't focus on some big secret get rich schemes they just teach you the basics.



        Pick one place you feel good about and stick to it and nothing else for at least six months.


        In the mean time go here and read everything. Educate yourself. http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...2-24-11-a.html

        Good Luck
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        • Profile picture of the author Gail Ogden
          I just came across a new thread check this out too
          http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ts-2010-a.html
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          • Profile picture of the author paulie888
            Originally Posted by Gail Ogden View Post

            I just came across a new thread check this out too
            http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ts-2010-a.html
            Gail, I just think he needs to better educate himself first before committing to any program or method, especially one that requires paying $97 per month. Many newbies tend to equate paying for something with instant/guaranteed success, but this simply isn't the case in IM.

            One course I think he should at least take a look at is Ed Dale's 30 day challenge, where the emphasis is on doing stuff consistently on a daily basis - this is completely free to join, and I think it'll do him some good.

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            • Profile picture of the author Gail Ogden
              Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

              Gail, I just think he needs to better educate himself first before committing to any program or method, especially one that requires paying $97 per month. Many newbies tend to equate paying for something with instant/guaranteed success, but this simply isn't the case in IM.

              One course I think he should at least take a look at is Ed Dale's 30 day challenge, where the emphasis is on doing stuff consistently on a daily basis - this is completely free to join, and I think it'll do him some good.

              Paul
              Paul I didn't think this link was about a $97 product, but about a lot of products that folks found where good. Also if you read my other post you will note I told him $97 a month was too much to spend if you were not making any money.

              I think anyone in the IM business should come the warrior forum and check the reviews before they purchase anything.
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              • Profile picture of the author paulie888
                Originally Posted by Gail Ogden View Post

                Paul I didn't think this link was about a $97 product, but about a lot of products that folks found where good. Also if you read my other post you will note I told him $97 a month was too much to spend if you were not making any money.

                I think anyone in the IM business should come the warrior forum and check the reviews before they purchase anything.
                Gail, I was referring to the $97 per month program that he is currently a member of. I was merely advising him to think carefully about continuing with it, since he seems to have jumped in without doing proper research or investigation first.

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      • Profile picture of the author Devid Farah
        Are you operating in the 'Making Money Online" niche?

        I ask this question because many newbies get to IM and start with trying to teach or show people how to make money online.

        How ironically wrong!

        It depends on the niche you are targeting.

        I will quickly suggest that you think out of the box and target micro niches in any of the everyday human needs.

        Look around you and see what people are desiring to have or the way most people in real life wants some things to be.

        Just research for it online and re-invest all your energies again.

        You may not realize that success is just two steps in front so don't quite.
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  • Profile picture of the author Casper C
    Don't worry too much about buying products Ivan. You can learn all the necessary skills by just going to reputable blogs related to IM, SEO, etc. One thing I would suggest paying for is a War Room membership here on the forum. The section is filled with tons of products that would usually cost money elsewhere.

    I'm concerned by the possibility that you've fallen victim to so-called gurus that are selling trash, and misleading you. It's hard to tell you what you're doing wrong though, because we haven't actually seen what work you've done.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tony Shepherd
    Maybe you should just take a long hard look at the products you bought and spend a full day analysing WHY you bought them.

    What made you buy? What were you looking for? Was it a 'magic bullet' or perhaps something really subtle like someone who empathised with your situation?

    Do some soul searching, be honest with yourself and take a look at what made you click that buy button.

    I'm not saying you should emulate the product, niche or style...

    But you'll come out a different marketer, and you'll start to see IM with slightly different eyes


    Cheers

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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by Ivan2011 View Post

    I have been doing my research and taking action plans for the past 2-3 months ... Why is it that you all all perhaps majority of you all seem to be making consistant money or for some, big bucks.
    Well, for one, we've been doing it a lot longer than three months.

    Many of us spent the first two or three years sitting where you're sitting. I'm still not making consistent money. Some months are good; some months aren't.

    Most people will open up their mouths and shout from the rooftops whenever things were good, like January when I grossed $9,600.

    They get a lot quieter when you ask how much of that they got to keep; I got to put about $4k of that in my pocket while the rest went out the door in expenses, affiliate commissions, JV splits, etc. A lot of people won't say that out loud.

    And it just looks so much better to say it was "almost $10k" than to lay out the details of what actually came in, how much of it stayed in, and how much had to go out before anything came in at all.

    That's a reality many of the "consistent" earners have, too. As Frank Kern likes to say, "I didn't get to keep all of it, but I got to keep some of it."

    Similarly, most people will get very quiet at times like I had last November, when my gross income for the month was all of $50. Nobody likes to say "I had a crap month and made next to no money," so they don't say it.

    Averages lie, too. My average for the last six months is about $2,500 a month. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that this is $15,000 in six months, and when you add the $1,500 I made in February (mentioned in another thread) to the $9,600 in January, it's not hard to figure out that I made $4k in the last four months of 2010.

    And if you're still connecting dots, you can figure that after I made $50 in November and around $2k in December (again, mentioned in another thread), that leaves just about $1,800 split between September and October.

    So just running from what I've said publicly, you can list out the last six months of my income as being about $900, $900, $50, $2,000, $9,600, and $1,500.

    And I'm often regarded as a successful internet marketer. But in offline business, those receipts are a solid indicator of a business that is not doing very well at all.

    So be aware of that. It might look like people in the forum are doing well, but these are fair-weather reports; they're painting the best picture they can with the facts they've got, and will handily neglect or ignore any inconvenient bits like how much they had to spend in PPC to make that money, or how much has to go out in affiliate commissions on the first, or how many months they spent making squat to get there.

    This isn't because they're dishonest, but because they're proud. Everyone wants to be a success. Everyone wants to have the cheering and clapping and singing and dancing that come with a good month. But nobody wants to face the criticism that comes with a bad one.

    I'm no exception. I know exactly what people are going to tell me every time I say I didn't make much money in a given month, because it's the same thing they always tell me. But the thing is... they're right.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      Well, for one, we've been doing it a lot longer than three months.

      Many of us spent the first two or three years sitting where you're sitting. I'm still not making consistent money. Some months are good; some months aren't.

      Most people will open up their mouths and shout from the rooftops whenever things were good, like January when I grossed $9,600.

      They get a lot quieter when you ask how much of that they got to keep; I got to put about $4k of that in my pocket while the rest went out the door in expenses, affiliate commissions, JV splits, etc. A lot of people won't say that out loud.

      And it just looks so much better to say it was "almost $10k" than to lay out the details of what actually came in, how much of it stayed in, and how much had to go out before anything came in at all.

      That's a reality many of the "consistent" earners have, too. As Frank Kern likes to say, "I didn't get to keep all of it, but I got to keep some of it."

      Similarly, most people will get very quiet at times like I had last November, when my gross income for the month was all of $50. Nobody likes to say "I had a crap month and made next to no money," so they don't say it.

      Averages lie, too. My average for the last six months is about $2,500 a month. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that this is $15,000 in six months, and when you add the $1,500 I made in February (mentioned in another thread) to the $9,600 in January, it's not hard to figure out that I made $4k in the last four months of 2010.

      And if you're still connecting dots, you can figure that after I made $50 in November and around $2k in December (again, mentioned in another thread), that leaves just about $1,800 split between September and October.

      So just running from what I've said publicly, you can list out the last six months of my income as being about $900, $900, $50, $2,000, $9,600, and $1,500.

      And I'm often regarded as a successful internet marketer. But in offline business, those receipts are a solid indicator of a business that is not doing very well at all.

      So be aware of that. It might look like people in the forum are doing well, but these are fair-weather reports; they're painting the best picture they can with the facts they've got, and will handily neglect or ignore any inconvenient bits like how much they had to spend in PPC to make that money, or how much has to go out in affiliate commissions on the first, or how many months they spent making squat to get there.

      This isn't because they're dishonest, but because they're proud. Everyone wants to be a success. Everyone wants to have the cheering and clapping and singing and dancing that come with a good month. But nobody wants to face the criticism that comes with a bad one.

      I'm no exception. I know exactly what people are going to tell me every time I say I didn't make much money in a given month, because it's the same thing they always tell me. But the thing is... they're right.
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  • Profile picture of the author PVReymond
    Originally Posted by Ivan2011 View Post

    Hi gurus, masters, educated, pros,

    I'm so down now. I have been doing my research and taking action plans for the past 2-3 months; bought several products, trial and error, uploading videos in utubes, posting ads in classified.com etc; following instructions of diff 'pros'

    And I was not able to earn a single buck. A single penny. What big picture am I really missing here?

    Why is it that you all all perhaps majority of you all seem to be making consistant money or for some, big bucks. And yet me, not a lazy person who has been consistantly trying his best, are not able to earn a single $.

    Am I really that bad? What am I missing here. I'm worrying now because im afraid my motivation to continue working hard may dry off soon.

    I feel like weeping man.
    Why don't you pick one method and stick to it for at least
    21 days? I mean, put all your energy, time and effort into
    it and forget the rest.

    It is not that the methods don't work, it is that you don't
    work on it hard enough neither try different approaches.

    If you continue trying different things as you have been
    doing so far, you will continue achieving the same results.

    Thanks,
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  • Profile picture of the author JackPowers
    Trying very hard not to comment on using txt message spelling and the instant loss of trust it creates with the potential buyer.
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by JackPowers View Post

      txt message spelling and the instant loss of trust it creates
      Has it occurred to you that to some younger demographics, using this spelling may create MORE trust?

      Just because something doesn't work on YOU doesn't mean it doesn't work at ALL.

      Honestly, though, I can't imagine anyone who prefers that sort of spelling has any money to spend anyway.
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      • Consider offering services until you get ramped up. It keeps money coming in and you'll learn a ton in the process.
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  • Profile picture of the author shireen
    Hi:

    Shireen here :-)

    I was in your position before. Things started to change when I meet an mentor that willing to give me 1-1 personal support.

    I paid him a few thousands dollars one time fee. But I made back many times more :-)

    Look for a mentor, worth it
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  • Profile picture of the author O0o0O
    All you did was upload youtube videos and post ads in classifieds.com? No wonder you're not getting any sales.

    YouTube traffic is filled with people looking for freebies. Use that traffic to build your subscriber list.

    Classifieds.com doesn't get much traffic. And the traffic it does get is low converting.

    Start out with the tried and true methods of internet marketing - Article marketing and niche websites.

    In Article marketing, write and submit 500 word articles to EzineArticles, GoArticles and other article websites. Put links to either your website or someone else's website so that you'll get a commission. Write and submit at least 5 to 10 articles per day and your income should increase.

    In niche website marketing, choose a low competition keyword and build a website from it. Put some Adsense, Amazon ads and affiliate links on it in addition to valuable content to the reader. Then build backlinks to the site in a steady pace over the course of a few months. Keep building these types of websites until your income increases.

    There you have it. Now go and make money!
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  • Profile picture of the author azoz513
    You know what I will do for you, email me at mrmoneybanks513 at Yahoo dot com and I will send you a free copy of my book. If you like it then you can put it to use and promote my book in your blogs, if you don't like it then no harm because you didn't spend any money on it.

    Mr Money Banks
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  • Profile picture of the author caseycase
    More time Ivan. That is what is going to take. And try to learn more before you spend more. Offer some services here and other places if you want to make money that way. You can learn from offering services, too, as you see what other warriors do behind the scenes (just do not ever steal anything).
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  • Profile picture of the author aaronngoh
    There are so many advice and reply to your questions.

    You are the only one who know what is right for me.

    Read through these post, again decide who you want to talk to. Just PM them.

    Are you surround with people who believe in IM?

    It is time to build that team up

    Also I learn that in IM is not one man show, you need a team of likeminded people working together
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  • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
    You feel like weeping b/c of 3 months of failure? I was at it several years before I could make consistent money from IM. The key to becoming successful online is sheer persistence and determination to succeed. Dry your tears and get your ass back to work is what I say.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike McAleer
    I really suggest getting coaching from someone who you know could help you make money. I suggest domain flipping because all it requires is some common sense and a very small start up. If you are buying domains anyway to make niche sites, why not flip names instead?

    You can buy a domain name that a business might want to own such as a local name:

    SeattlePizza.com ...

    then you would try to promote it to all the Seattle Pizza shops and ask them at least 100 for it. That is a great ROI from an 8 dollar investment...

    The key is to find these names and then you can sell them and make profits.
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  • Profile picture of the author BobbyMorris
    Are you selling the products that would be of interest to others?
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    • Profile picture of the author tiga
      My advise:
      1. study niche/keyword research
      2. start with easier business model like selling Amazon products .. i found that Jan Roos' step by step system and Matt Carter's Rapid profit f'mula are really good if you want to venture into amazon..just focus on those 2
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  • Profile picture of the author amylimcd
    Ivan-

    The best advice I can give you is to CHASE NEEDS not MONEY.

    In my opinion, many people start an IM business because they buy into all the money that can be made from one business model or another, etc.

    They focus on the wrong thing (the money). Instead, focus first on where you see a real NEED in the market place and then, apply all the internet marketing magic.

    If you study the people that make substantial money via online business building, you will see that they are fulfilling a NEED and doing a great job at it. This can be promoting your own solution or the solution (e.g., product) of someone else (affiliate marketing).

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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    You say that you've been doing two weeks' worth of traffic generation and haven't made any sales yet, and you're utilizing videos and articles to send traffic. Let me ask you this then - exactly how many videos and articles have you submitted so far?

    Are your videos persuasive and compelling, and do an effective presell by elaborating on the benefits of the product you're promoting? Did you write your articles yourself, and are they engaging, informative and have a strong call to action? Or did you try to "rewrite" and "spin" existing articles with software?

    If you've submitted several dozen articles and videos that have been created properly with the above factors in mind, you'd probably have made a sale or two by now. If you haven't, then I think it's pretty clear why you haven't.

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  • Profile picture of the author wingman7
    Just echoing a lot of thoughts here. There are a lot of guys out here in the same boat. The internet offers so much and delivers so little. Unfortunately ther are too many offers out there pressing our buttons. I agree with the "Focus" comment and the "bouncing around" we all do..like ending up here, you have to look! Anyway this seems a good place. Some down to earth stuff...I love Cdarklock's reality check...its not what you earn its what you've got to spend...he didnt add in the tax take so nett in the hand is pretty slim. I personally want to tip a bucket of fish guts over anyone who tells me I can earn 6 figures a month in the first 3 months if I buy their $27 ebook. Hell if they have such a good system why sell it for $27. But then I'm a cynic. Every day I hit a wall, climb over it only to find another wall.
    Anyway I guess I am trying to say..."you are not alone" and as the Drill sargent says I guess we have to get over it and get back to work! Being in it together helps!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Barker
    I don't know exactly the marketing campaigns that you have in place but sometimes it takes something as simple as changing one word on your page or pages to start the traffic flow. Make small changes and see what happens. Don't make a change and wait 2 days and decide that it is not working.

    Stay positive and concentrate on what you are doing. Think from the customer side of things. Would you click on your ads?
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    • Profile picture of the author King Louie
      Hi Ivan. Maybe you need to take a step back and look at the bigger picture. Take a day off from all your activities and do some soul searching. Ask yourself about what your goals are and what steps you have to take to reach those goals. It seems that you are working frantically and haphazardly trying to make money as fast as possible. You said that you haven't made any money for 2-3 months despite all your efforts.

      Well, I can tell you that a lot of successful people don't make any money (or lose more money than they make) for years. Not months, but years. So don't lose hope. Making no or little money for 2-3 months is pretty common and normal in Internet marketing. Sure, there are extremely lucky guys who struck that proverbial pot of gold in just a few weeks or months, but they are few and far between. Hang on there and don't quit.

      That is why many people will tell you that you should not quit your job and start IM unless you can survive for maybe a year or two without a steady source of income. In my case, I'm lucky to have a very supportive family as well as an income sideline to tide me over during the lean months.

      I suggest that you take a look at some of your website's stats and see if there's any improvement. Even just a small improvement is already a big accomplishment for beginners like you. The fact that you have websites up and running, and that you are getting some traffic to them, is already a big step towards success.

      I'm also in the same situation as you are but I'm not quitting. Hope this helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    IM is really hard and needs a LOT of work. I am doing it for so many years now and i am still NOT satisfied with my earnings, in the slightest.

    It took a lot work and dedication simply to get so far that i am making at least ONE sale per day on clickbank, at least that hurdle is taken. But i am really only happy if i get $150/$200 day...but such days are still rare..even with all that SEO and linkbuilding and who knows how many sites.

    The problem with clickbank for example is that MANY (most!) products and niches have very low search volume and simply cannot yield a sufficient number of sales.

    This is why i am tackling higher search niches now, weight loss etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author wingman7
    Ed Dale's course "30 day challenge" is now called "The Challenge". Just google it. Absolutely first class...and its all FREE. I did 2009 and 2010...he's been doing it annually since 2005. About a hundred videos and pdf's. You will be overwhelmed! I just wish it was enough! Its just not straight forward. 1 + 1 dont equal 2...because everybody else is doing the sum and getting the same answer! Mark Ling's Affilorama is also brilliant. But you dont get anywhere till you take the advanced course and put a 1000 miles in the saddle!
    Knowledge is not enough it seems. As they say in the advertising world..its all angles. Add an "s" or change a keyword phrase slightly and you are in a different market. Sounds easy, if only there wasn't another 10,000 competitors up your tailpipe.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by wingman7 View Post

      Ed Dale's course "30 day challenge" is now called "The Challenge". Just google it. Absolutely first class...and its all FREE. I did 2009 and 2010...he's been doing it annually since 2005. About a hundred videos and pdf's. You will be overwhelmed! I just wish it was enough! Its just not straight forward. 1 + 1 dont equal 2...because everybody else is doing the sum and getting the same answer! Mark Ling's Affilorama is also brilliant. But you dont get anywhere till you take the advanced course and put a 1000 miles in the saddle!
      Knowledge is not enough it seems. As they say in the advertising world..its all angles. Add an "s" or change a keyword phrase slightly and you are in a different market. Sounds easy, if only there wasn't another 10,000 competitors up your tailpipe.
      You see, knowing something via reading/learning it is just one part of the equation. The only way to truly know how to apply an IM method effectively is to implement it and take action! I know this is a tired old refrain, but without actually doing it extensively, all you possess is theoretical knowledge which is not the same as practical knowledge of how a method works in real life.
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  • Profile picture of the author chasnsx
    Ivan: If you are still following this thread, the best advice you have gotten so far is that in IM there is a long learning curve. It took me a year of hard work before I saw my first paycheck for IM. And whoever told you that making Youtube videos is a good way to drive traffic to a website is just plain full of it.

    I started making Youtube videos back in 2009, and I am still making them today. I have learned the hard way that the click through rate of people watching the video actually going on to your website is about one in twenty. That's right, for every twenty people who watch your video, one will go on to visit your website.

    If you want to make sales from a website, you have to get to at least Page 2 of Google, either for one big keyword or a lot of little ones -- and you have to get keywords that will draw people who are interested in buying whatever you are selling.

    Building a business online is just like building a business offline. Years ago when I built an offline business I literally went out to the offices of prospective customers, chatted up the receptionist, and asked if I could borrow their conference room and make a little presentation. It was grueling work sometimes, but every time business got slow, I went out and did it, and it worked.

    In this day and age, you no longer have to hit the sidewalks and knock on doors. You can do it all from your keyboard, but you still have to do it -- in the web forums, and wherever else you can make new friends.

    The important point is, you are building a business here, and if you are going to do it right it is going to take time. Just remember: Back in the 1990's, Amazon.com ran at a loss for several years before it became profitable. But look where Amazon is now.
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  • Profile picture of the author chengnuomima
    Others mathods just for you reference and you must find you own
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  • Profile picture of the author wingman7
    I would suggest price is a poor indicator of value.

    The more I look the more I find free. This forum as an example..although not any longer.

    I think maybe the key is focus. 1 thing at a time...and dont leave it until its done.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Get a mentor dude, fast.
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    • Profile picture of the author Liam Hamer
      Hi Ivan,

      I have been where you are right now, more than once during my first year or so of IM. As evidenced by this very thread, most of us have 2-3 months isn't a long time, so please don't be so hard on yourself. On that note, I think you're doing what I used to do - putting far too much pressure on yourself to make money. You're only 3 months in, right now you should be concentrating on learning. If you can make money whilst in the early stages of your IM education, then great.

      If I have misunderstood this, then I apologize, but you said you were spending $97 and promoting this Millionaire Society site? Firstly, you should NOT be spending that kind of money at this stage in my opinion and secondly, you have no business whatsoever being in the Make Money Online niche. I speak from experience here. If you're not making money, you shouldn't be promoting make money online products.

      I suggest you seriously rethink things and take time to think about what you would like to do in IM and what kind of results you would like. I'm not just talking about making money, either.

      You're still a newbie - take the time to learn everything you can. There is no better place to do that than right here at the Warrior Forum Seriously - the information you get here for FREE is worth hundreds of times more than that $97 you pay monthly, I suspect. I am also going to recommend what is in my opinion, a must read for an IM newbie. See that guy Paul Myers that posted early on in this thread? Click his signature, join his list and make sure you get hold of(for free) his eBook called Need To Know. Trust me on this, you need it. It transformed my whole mindset during a time when I was struggling, and things have gone from strength to strength for me since.

      I strongly advise you to make sure you learn everything you can about some of the key areas of IM, such as:-

      -Keyword research
      -Domain name selection
      -Writing good content
      -Generating traffic
      -Building a list(of E-Mail subscribers)
      -SEO(Search Engine Optimization)

      and on and on and on. Again, you have so much information available to you here - USE it! The very best of luck
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      • Profile picture of the author starsign
        Hi Ivan

        On the Millionaire website you mention, if you click the link ....Got questions? Learn More.... you have a 60 day money back guarantee:
        "Make Money Or It's Free" Guarantee. With this guarantee, you have a full 60 days to try out Millionaire Society"


        Gail Ogden (post 78 above) has some great advise for you. Sign up for Chris Farrell's newsletters who's expertise is for complete beginners and covers loads of great topics. Also Matt Carter's free video course is a another good starting point.
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        • Profile picture of the author William Prawira
          Originally Posted by starsign View Post

          Hi Ivan

          On the Millionaire website you mention, if you click the link ....Got questions? Learn More.... you have a 60 day money back guarantee:
          "Make Money Or It's Free" Guarantee. With this guarantee, you have a full 60 days to try out Millionaire Society"
          I'd say go get your refund.
          One of the product I recommend you to read is this one
          [WSO] Secrets To Making $100/Day In 21 Days Or Less - Starting From Scratch!

          It's a real mind opener for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Franklin
    You cannot expect to hit a home run with every venture. My suggestion is have the flexibility to not only try different things along the way but give things your own personal twist. Many times, people want an exact gameplan which will often give them decent success but it's when they add their own spin whether it is content or delivery method or marketing method that things really explode.

    Fail forward, fail often, and keep going. IM can be like a singles bar so approach a lot of opportunities, be prepared to get slapped occassionally but keep going and you will embrace success. Don't ever wallow in the negatives or limited success or take it personally...There's so much opportunity out there.
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  • Profile picture of the author Christina Jo
    Don't worry, the problem is not in you.. I was like you at a time.. The majority of people work and work for no use, but the minority work less and make money.. How ???
    I'll tell you how, the minority of people spend time to learn and educate themselves before start working.. that's how they make money because they understand the whole process.. as for the majority, they work as they were told, do this and do that ..
    They don't know what's going on.. So my advice to you is spend some time to learn but be careful from whom to learn because many educators and online work is scam ..
    So Good Luck and be positive
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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    I know it's all too easy to slip into the mindset that you can make money overnight with IM (even as a newbie), but this simply isn't the case.

    Take the time to educate yourself first, and then implement on a massive scale in a focused manner. Do not be afraid to make mistakes, as this is how you'll learn and get better. The more you fail and learn from your mistakes, the faster your progress will be. While a newbie's typical impulse is to avoid failure, you should embrace it, as it'll ultimately help you reach success faster if used in a positive manner (i.e. by learning from them).
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  • Profile picture of the author smile
    I understand where you are coming from, have been there myself, there is alot of great advice on here already just want to say don;t give up, it is really time to get excited as every time i am really frustrated as you seem it usually means you are about to have a big break though so get ready, stay focused and good luck
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  • Profile picture of the author Mjoseph83
    Be pessimistic and don't get discouraged for the money making. Keep on trying, there will be definitely one day where you have been reached with your goal.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by Mjoseph83 View Post

      Be pessimistic and don't get discouraged for the money making. Keep on trying, there will be definitely one day where you have been reached with your goal.
      This is probably the most ironic typo I've encountered tonight. I don't think he needs another dose of pessimism, given what he's currently going through.

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  • Profile picture of the author nandu26
    Try again. You will surely succeed. If you believe that you can do it then you can. Best of Luck
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  • Profile picture of the author SuccessInPrint
    Keep the faith... Cliche I know. Quitting will guarantee failure. I am in the printing business; have been for 40 years. You want talk about wanting to throw in the towel.......
    I see thing getting better because I have kept working it!!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author problog
    Please don't get discouraged, just keep at it, as they say you can't fail if you keep trying. It took me a year to see any money from IM. Find something you're interested in because if you hate what you're doing you'll give up.
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    • Profile picture of the author William Prawira
      What a Crowd...

      It took me 15 minutes to read all the above posts, but hey, If you read all of them one by one, You can get a lot of useful hints.

      If you are saying you spent $97 a month, It amazed me, when I first started IM-ing, I don't even have that much money to begin my business with. I only spent couple bucks on hosting and domain, then couple WSO here and there.

      Do your time on reading, you can really find a lot of useful info for free in the warrior forum alone.
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  • Profile picture of the author Maximillion_Z
    Originally Posted by Ivan2011 View Post

    Why is it that you all all perhaps majority of you all seem to be making consistant money or for some, big bucks. And yet me, not a lazy person who has been consistantly trying his best, are not able to earn a single $.
    There aren't as many people making "big bucks" as you think.

    In reality, it's only those who see through the mist, and realise that this is a business.

    Those who understand that sometimes it takes a while to break even before you make a profit.

    That persistence is *key* (as long as you're taking the correct action).

    I once learnt about a phenomenon called the "11th Hour". It is where everything seems darkest, and at its worst. It's the time where 99% of people are willing to give up -- it's easier to do so. But... if they just stick with it for a little while longer, they'll find that daylight is around the corner.

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  • Profile picture of the author kevintg1
    Looks like you guys, have frighted Ivan2011 off, he's gone AWL
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    • Profile picture of the author Liam Hamer
      Originally Posted by kevintg1 View Post

      Looks like you guys, have frighted Ivan2011 off, he's gone AWL
      Hopefully he's busy putting all the great advice he has received to work
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    • Profile picture of the author Ivan2011
      Originally Posted by kevintg1 View Post

      Looks like you guys, have frighted Ivan2011 off, he's gone AWL
      Hi kevinTG1, you are humorous.

      Anyway I'm so busy right now, i'm a part-time student and working at the same time, as such I only have limited free time to come here.

      I was so shocked and surprised for the amounts of responses here and they are all very helpful. I'm now trying hard to read every post and digest them, im not lost for words, too much positive supports and advice... im so grateful to you all.

      I have just requested a refund from that USD97/mth thingy and i hope it will be approved. I will come back here and update you all on my progress after heeding your advice... I wan to thank you all 1 million times
      (jus a thought: how good it is if the amount of responses here are the traffic i receive for my website outside )
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      • Profile picture of the author paulie888
        Originally Posted by Ivan2011 View Post

        Hi kevinTG1, you are humorous.

        Anyway I'm so busy right now, i'm a part-time student and working at the same time, as such I only have limited free time to come here.

        I was so shocked and surprised for the amounts of responses here and they are all very helpful. I'm now trying hard to read every post and digest them, im not lost for words, too much positive supports and advice... im so grateful to you all.

        I have just requested a refund from that USD97/mth thingy and i hope it will be approved. I will come back here and update you all on my progress after heeding your advice... I wan to thank you all 1 million times
        (jus a thought: how good it is if the amount of responses here are the traffic i receive for my website outside )
        Good to see that you took my advice on this, Ivan. There's no point paying for a $97/month membership when you can barely stay afloat financially, and as I've stated earlier just paying for something does not entitle you to make money, no matter what the sales copy says.

        Money seems to be a fairly big issue for you at the moment, so I'd recommend providing services to start making some consistent money for now. You'll also have to look into brushing up your English if you'd still like to do article marketing and blogging (or outsource this content creation), because this will definitely affect your visitor conversion rates and traffic. This is even more crucial than it was before, since with the recent Google Farmer update the need to put out substantive content is pretty critical.

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  • Profile picture of the author Prady N
    Originally Posted by Ivan2011 View Post

    Hi gurus, masters, educated, pros,

    I'm so down now. I have been doing my research and taking action plans for the past 2-3 months; bought several products, trial and error, uploading videos in utubes, posting ads in classified.com etc; following instructions of diff 'pros'

    And I was not able to earn a single buck. A single penny. What big picture am I really missing here?

    Why is it that you all all perhaps majority of you all seem to be making consistant money or for some, big bucks. And yet me, not a lazy person who has been consistantly trying his best, are not able to earn a single $.

    Am I really that bad? What am I missing here. I'm worrying now because im afraid my motivation to continue working hard may dry off soon.

    I feel like weeping man.
    Products you buy shows you screenshots of thousand of dollars in a month
    which creates an false impression that making money online is easy but in reality its not.
    Don't get discouraged..It took me 6 months to get my first sell that too
    5 years back. This is what I can suggest you.
    1) Join amazon affiliate program
    2) Go to amazon.com & choose category which is generally popular like game, books, electronic
    3) Sort products by popularity or best seller
    4) Select product to promote by analyzing competition in Google USA.
    5) Create wordpress blog by write some unique content & review about your selected product
    6)Open an adwords account with $100 credits (just search adwords credit on google, you will get it)
    7) Start campaign by targeting product name keywords (if brand name bidding is allowed)
    8) Start with small budget may be ($5/10/day), 10/15 keywords with concise adgrouping
    9) write atleast 3 targeted ad copies
    10) Track all keywords/ads using amazon subid tracking
    11) take 50/75 clicks & analyse traffic using google analytics
    12) If campaign is profitable or at break even tweak ads, campaigns & by adding keywords for more profit. If its in loss select different product & repeat process.
    I am sure this will help you to get some sells in first $100 credit as brand name of amazon is so strong & hopefully keep you motivated to continue.
    Key to success is finding high demand product with low competition.
    Hope you will make your first sell soon my best wishes!
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  • Profile picture of the author BurgerBoy
    You could also sell real products that people want and need. I make a lot of money every month with my sites selling real products.
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    Get this free wso http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...h-special.html and get educated. after that implement them and make money.



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  • Profile picture of the author moneyjunkie
    Stop worrying about the money. Remove that pressure from yourself for at least 24 hours and think what would be fun or interesting for you.

    I suggest ebay or amazon. Find some stuff you have around the house and put it on both you will sell it eventually. Music works best. anything by eminem. You will make more than a buck. Most of all NEVER GIVE UP.
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  • Profile picture of the author jeeps
    Ivan, can we see your sites?
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  • Profile picture of the author CurtisSWN
    Hey Ivan, you have a choice now. You can either start crying, or you can bear down, rework you plan, learning from your mistakes, take some sage advice here on WF, and keep plugging away.

    Not giving up (for a self-pity-party) is what separates the winners from the losers.
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  • Profile picture of the author DeborahDera
    Three things.

    1 - Upgrade your account and use the War Room here for information and advice.

    2 - Use the "product reviews" section here to get info on products before you buy them. If they're related to IM, they've probably been reviewed.

    3 - Stop buying products. I guarantee that if you have purchased "several products" you haven't given any of them a fair enough shot to help you earn an income. It's a mistake we all make.

    It's not that you aren't trying. It seems like you just aren't focused. Why not choose ONE of your products and try implementing the advice there for a while to see what happens?

    Originally Posted by Ivan2011 View Post

    Hi gurus, masters, educated, pros,

    I'm so down now. I have been doing my research and taking action plans for the past 2-3 months; bought several products, trial and error, uploading videos in utubes, posting ads in classified.com etc; following instructions of diff 'pros'

    And I was not able to earn a single buck. A single penny. What big picture am I really missing here?

    Why is it that you all all perhaps majority of you all seem to be making consistant money or for some, big bucks. And yet me, not a lazy person who has been consistantly trying his best, are not able to earn a single $.

    Am I really that bad? What am I missing here. I'm worrying now because im afraid my motivation to continue working hard may dry off soon.

    I feel like weeping man.
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  • Profile picture of the author eppingvonryan
    i went to find you a good starting point here in the warrior forum....go to this thread and sign up for the course right now!!!

    http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-special-offers-forum/344645-robs-putting-10-000-line-make-sure-you-make-money.html
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  • Profile picture of the author guynextdoor
    many many people fail because they start with affiliate marketing, put countless hours of work in it and never do a single sale... and have at the end NOTHING then wortless minipages.

    My suggestion is that you put your efforts in a own website first whitout products in a niche you have knowledge, with the target to build a authority site and the goal to sell products later. First you montetize it just with adsense... later you build minipages around...

    Think longtherm! - earn real money - be your own boss :-)

    Another way is to make a own webshop - whit a little bit SEO knowledge.. you can build a great webshop with first sales in lesser then 3 months.

    Something i'm doing is i set up webshops for small firms in my City - i get 10% procent from every sale and have 50% rights on the domain. Most small firms don't have the knowledge and money to invest in Internet - or they payd alot of money for a websolution which never get traffic. Help them - take risk and later the reward!

    Again - think BIZ - longtherm...
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    • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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      Originally Posted by guynextdoor View Post

      many many people fail because they start with affiliate marketing, put countless hours of work in it and never do a single sale... and have at the end NOTHING then wortless minipages.

      My suggestion is that you put your efforts in a own website first whitout products in a niche you have knowledge, with the target to build a authority site and the goal to sell products later. First you montetize it just with adsense... later you build minipages around...

      Think longtherm! - earn real money - be your own boss :-)
      His problem has nothing to do with affiliate marketing. If he can't drive traffic to a site promoting affiliate products, he isn't going to magically start rolling in traffic if he simply switches to marketing his own products instead.
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    • Profile picture of the author wingman7
      Originally Posted by guynextdoor View Post

      Another way is to make a own webshop - whit a little bit SEO knowledge.. you can build a great webshop with first sales in lesser then 3 months.

      Something i'm doing is i set up webshops for small firms in my City - i get 10% procent from every sale and have 50% rights on the domain. Most small firms don't have the knowledge and money to invest in Internet - or they payd alot of money for a websolution which never get traffic. Help them - take risk and later the reward!
      .
      I have a Aviation History website which was originally a "passion" site but I halted development when I saw very little money in the market. But in light of your comment about "authority" sites I wonder if the monetization comes from things other than the main focus of the site? Its very indulgent to rattle away on a passion but as my wife keeps saying "have you made any money yet?"

      Could you please expand on the "webshop" concept and how you sell it to local merchants. Is it full ecommerce with on line sales or maybe a catalogue type site which produces leads for retailers?
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  • Profile picture of the author trytolearnmore
    Don't worry, failing is an important part of the way. You will get it right
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Scott
    Anyone else see a problem with the OP's mindset?

    He talks about methods...

    ...but never mentions a business.

    Here's the key...

    First... you brainstorm a BUSINESS. You find a gap in the marketplace... you create a rough USP... all that stuff.

    Then... and only then... do you think about METHODS.

    Article marketing isn't a business, it's a method. Same for Affiliate marketing... PPC... Media buys... CPA... or anything else.

    This is business, guys. Build a business. Don't be lured by the promises of easy riches or amazing methods... because it ain't that simple.

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  • Profile picture of the author Matthew Shelton
    A good bit of the posts in this thread mention focus - it really helps a lot to focus to unsubscribe from all but the best content providers.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tamar Peters
    " You are never a looser until you quit trying. "
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  • Profile picture of the author Tim_Hawksworth
    Which part of this formula are you missing?

    Traffic x Conversions = $$$

    Do you have a product people are willing to pay for? If so, are you getting the info about your product in front of the people who already want to buy it? Do you explain the benefits in a way that gets them to make the decision they already want to make?

    Your success will rest on how well you do with each of those things. It's not complicated, as long as you keep that formula in mind.
    Excellent and succinct piece of advice.
    Sometimes we all get caught up in the details and lose
    sight of this simple formula
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    • Profile picture of the author ravenjade
      Originally Posted by Tim_Hawksworth View Post

      Excellent and succinct piece of advice.
      Sometimes we all get caught up in the details and lose
      sight of this simple formula
      I think as a newbie we are learing and trying so much we forget the goal or just hope for traffic. I hate to be cliche... but we fall into the "if you build it they will come" mentality. I now have a large sign in front of my desk that says "and how will this bring traffic?" So I won't find myself bogged down forgeting what I am really doing. Its a struggle( the people on my facebook really are my friends, twitter I only have 80 followers, E articles fell asleep with my articles and ever product I have bought ecept mmm has been crap or a scam) so I feel you. Also, I devote 1 hour, and only 1 hour a day to learning something about internet marketing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeannie Crabtree
    There have been times I have been depressed over the state of my internet business, so I know where you are coming from

    Is English your first language? I wonder, as it is hard to follow you sometimes. If it is, then I need to ask if you write like this in your articles and write/speak in your videos? Not to be rude, but perhaps this is part of the problem?

    How many articles have you written? How many videos have you put out. How many posts do you have on your blog? It takes work and determination to move forward, especially when new.

    There is a lot of junk out there with well written sales letters. How you will make oodles of money by using their method. Many sites are now telling you what they are not, but not much about what they really do or offer. You cannot find out till you have paid your money and looked around.

    Sometimes you just get sucked in to something and try to stick it out, because you paid so much. Why not post on review section of the forum and see what other peoples experience might be with this program?
    Internet Marketing Product Reviews & Ratings

    Are you really learning enough that is clear in your mind what your business plan needs to be and how to go about it? Are they really mentoring you?

    In '98 I had a bad experience with someone that was to mentor me. Instead, it was promote my product, I sent you some leads, why have you not converted them. Get Busy! As a computer illiterate person, I was struggling, sending out newsletters everyday, and not having results. I hold my self responsible, because I did not know how to do it correctly and was sucked in by the hype and promises that I would make all my money back in 6 months and start making good money. I was not really taught the basics. I started over my head and the "mentoring" was not beneficial.

    If you have put in a fair amount of work, and you know what you are doing, but still cannot make it work, then move on.

    Lots of things do not work out for a number of people. Probably half the things I do as an affiliate fail. Not too many people are going to tell you that, when they are all trying to sell you on selling their stuff.

    If you start again, really do your keyword research and research your completition. Draw up a plan and go about it systematically, knowing you are going to need to be consistant in getting the content on your site and out there, along with backlinks, before you will see much success.

    Wishing you success
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  • Profile picture of the author Cisco
    Hi Ivan2011,

    I PM'ed with some good information.

    Marlon Sanders is Your best bet.

    Listen to this guy.
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  • Profile picture of the author stews
    Making money on the internet is not easy. It really takes perseverence,continuing education and the most important is to stick to one specific project and not get distracted. Running off in different directions everytime you see something will guarantee failure. Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author westgateok
    I honestly feel that persistence pays off, not just in this industry but anywhere in life. Just keep on going, eventually it will all pay off and you will be glad you never quit.
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    • Profile picture of the author Hanz
      Some years ago, before I knew much about IM, I had built a superhero fan-site for fun. Not long after, I discovered something really cool called Adsense where you can make a few pennies from people clicking on stuff on your site. So I decided to put a whole bunch of Adsense ads all throughout my site.
      Then I went and read this Affiliate Marketing book with a really catch title which caught my attention. It was written by somebody named Rosalind Gardner. She said something really interesting about how I can sign up to sites with affiliate programs and get a commission from people who buy a product through my link.
      After reading that, I immediately went to Amazon, opened an Amazon Associates account, grabbed a bunch of links of superhero stuff which fit in well with my superhero fan-site and dumped a bunch of those product links throughout.
      Not long after, I saw money coming in from Adsense and I saw money coming in Amazon from people buying superhero figures and toys.
      Pretty simple when you think about it. If I knew then what I know now, I'd have targeted a much better keyword and made sure I'd ranked for a low competition keyword with a high amount of traffic.
      But regardless, the point is the money is out there and many people are buying stuff online. It's one area of IM you might consider focusing on. If you're stuck, get a coach. There are some good coaches on here but make sure you get a reputable coach who is qualified in one specific area of IM. Some claim to be masters at everything and some make money by telling people how to make money. Avoid the bad eggs.
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  • Profile picture of the author ravenjade
    You have been in internet marketing for 2-3 months and you don't seem to know even the basic terms. I truely suggest a mentor. Or look at the free section on this forum.
    As a Newbie I understand what you are saying. I get frustrated too. But, take the time to learn the business before you expect to make any money.

    Question for the forum... if i recommend a product but do not give a link will I get in trouble here.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by ravenjade View Post


      Question for the forum... if i recommend a product but do not give a link will I get in trouble here.
      This is fine, as long as you're not providing your affiliate link for forum members to click on. Just mentioning the name of a product won't get you into trouble.
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  • Profile picture of the author AllanVans
    well i would like to start by saying i was in the same boat you are in
    and i know it feels like no matter what you do it does not work........
    but you have to see that not every product that is out there training you
    to make big bucks overnight does not work and also trying to make you business grow
    but at the same time you are looking at all the other offers and other Gurus feeling like you did not do it right or even they might not be teaching you something........ the truth is you have to Focus on your Goals and know that all the other Gurus have nothing to do with you now it about you and your system that you will create out of what you
    are learning, one Key is to believe in your self and you will make all that hard work pay off.... thank you for your time..... Enjoy......
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  • Profile picture of the author ravenjade
    For learning the business I used My Millionaire Mentor. Goto clickbank and look it up. Then goto google and look up Matt morris. Look at the sites but don't buy any thing. Look for abundance for life or 7 steps to success that he gives away free. That is not internet marketing but motivational. Also try reading a tony robbins book from the library. Next google freemind. A free mind mapping tool. This will help get you focused. Finally, remember that Col. Sanders of kfc got told 1001 times before he got his first yes. Why say that? It is my personal belief that it is not getting to where you want that is important but becoming the person you have to become to get where you want that is.
    Hope that helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author russandtina
    I just started getting coaching with Dean Holland. I've been working on learning his program. I have enjoyed his one on one coaching.

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  • Profile picture of the author matthewhell
    Most of the time when people fail is because their traffic is to low to even see results. Its might be even to low to test and track any marketing campaign. Increase your traffic and then focus on conversion and tweak if nessessary. Don't give up like so many do, It will come, but I was reading he other comments and some mention getting a coach. I totally agree. YOu see you need a system in play to get the ball rolling and to see results. I used a system and it works for me now and I tried for YEARS before. Its amazing once you get a marketing, sales,etc system in place things just start happening. Also social networks will greatly help you draw traffic to your website.

    Good luck and Keep at it because your success will come. You have to think to yourself for a sec if this was easy, every one would be millionaires. Also the more people that quit this the more room for you to succeed depending on what you are selling or promoting.

    Hope this helps. Visit my site at anytime for more information!

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  • Profile picture of the author xxdksxx
    I am about at this same point seems I have tried everything but making my own products. And i am not sure I could do that alone let alone choose a niche to make a product for.
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  • Profile picture of the author marcromero
    Don't give up man
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  • Profile picture of the author CoolCaesar
    WOW .. I am amazed .. a lot of great answers here!

    Ivan you should be proud for being part of such a great community!

    My advice: stop buying other people stuff and try to create your own product. Something that the market wants. You must go where the money is!

    I hope you'll get your moral back up friend.

    Good luck
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  • Profile picture of the author website12
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    To make money in Im requires years of work. It is very long term , At 1 point there is going to be system that makes money.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cee
    It seems to me that a couple of months is really too short a time to give up already. Like if you go to college you know it'll take several years to get your degree you don't give up after 2 months because it's taking too long.

    Don't listen to the guys that promise you will make $50,000 in a month by using their software or whatever. It's not usually the buyers of these products that wind up making that kind of money but the ones doing the selling.

    Most people that became big successes had many failures at first but never gave up. It's the giving up too early that is the main problem not the early lack of success. You've got to develop a positive mindset. Not just abut IM but about yourself in general so you can make a success of yourself in life and not take it too personally if things don't work out right away. You're learning. Keep on learning. Study some inspiring success stories of others who have made it big that never gave up on their dream.
    Good luck to you
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    • Profile picture of the author Richest
      Don't give up man. I know it's tough, I just started IM too. And many expert told me that IM is not get rich quick scheme.

      So, I acknowledge that it won't make me rich overnight, but I choose to continue learning, and succeed from IM, though I don't know when, but someday I will
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    Never give up.

    I was ridiculed by my mother, and father. They did not see what I was doing.

    I say to hell with that, I used it as a driving force to make money. IT took a while, but soon I was making more than them put together. The internet is very powerful. Building a list is very powerful.

    Do not be lost and sad, use that people that ridicule you to make more money. That is what I did, and built a huge list. That is how you will win this game.

    But if you do not TAKE ACTION, will you see any results>?. NO!!!

    So it is up to you. You just have the love and support of people in here you will probably never meet in person. This place is cool ..... and better than anyone will ever know. So use all this and my advice to your advantage.
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