Who Said It's Hard To Sell Fiction On The Kindle

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by cosmokid

That's great that you're making sales already. So this would be a Kindle Single, right? Right now Kindle Singles are being listed in the Kindle Bestseller area, so this is getting more exposure for these works. I'm concerned that they will split these up again and people might not find the singles as easily before too long.

The other night I purchased my first Kindle Single, an 18 page humorous memoir short that only had maybe ten reviews, and it was priced at 2.99. Left you wanting to read more by that author. So I think singles can be a great way of interesting people in your future work and getting a readership going.

I wish you the best! Keep on writing!

This book is actually a part of a series that should have about 6 other parts to it, all much longer than the first. I just threw the first one out as kind of a pilot to the series. I had originally published a free version of it on one of my niche websites to see how well it would be received. Most of the people on there loved it. So, after discovering Kindle publishing I thought I'd put it on there and see how it does. I guess it would probably benefit me to add some reviews from my website onto the description.

Right now I have it priced at .99, but once some buzz gets around, if it picks up the way that I'd like it to, I'll probably raise the price whenever X amount of copies sell.

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paulie888

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Ofthemix

This book is actually a part of a series that should have about 6 other parts to it, all much longer than the first. I just threw the first one out as kind of a pilot to the series. I had originally published a free version of it on one of my niche websites to see how well it would be received. Most of the people on there loved it. So, after discovering Kindle publishing I thought I'd put it on there and see how it does. I guess it would probably benefit me to add some reviews from my website onto the description.

Right now I have it priced at .99, but once some buzz gets around, if it picks up the way that I'd like it to, I'll probably raise the price whenever X amount of copies sell.

I read in one of the articles about successful Kindle publishing that a fairly well-known Kindle author (can't recall his name) employs a dynamic pricing strategy to keep his ebook on top of the bestseller lists - he starts it off low at 99 cents to get the sales volume and for it to get listed as a bestseller, and then raises the price to $2.99 or higher. Once it falls off the list, he cuts the price down to 99 cents again, and goes through this same cycle multiple times.

Apparently this strategy has worked in his favor, and he has been able to keep his ebook on top the bestsellers lists for at least several months now.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by paulie888

I read in one of the articles about successful Kindle publishing that a fairly well-known Kindle author (can't recall his name) employs a dynamic pricing strategy to keep his ebook on top of the bestseller lists - he starts it off low at 99 cents to get the sales volume and for it to get listed as a bestseller, and then raises the price to $2.99 or higher. Once it falls off the list, he cuts the price down to 99 cents again, and goes through this same cycle multiple times.

Apparently this strategy has worked in his favor, and he has been able to keep his ebook on top the bestsellers lists for at least several months now.

Paul

I'm not sure of who you are speaking, but I plan on employing a similar strategy. If you're not well known, I think that starting out at 99 cents is almost essential to gain buyer interest, especially in fiction niches.

It's probably not the same for non-fiction niches, since many consumers would be more readily willing to part with their money if they thought that they could find the solution to their problems in a book.

Either way, I plan on using the above strategy on everything that I publish. When demand is low, lower the price, when demand is high, raise the price. Simple economics.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Ofthemix

I'm not sure of who you are speaking, but I plan on employing a similar strategy. If you're not well known, I think that starting out at 99 cents is almost essential to gain buyer interest, especially in fiction niches.

It's probably not the same for non-fiction niches, since many consumers would be more readily willing to part with their money if they thought that they could find the solution to their problems in a book.

Either way, I plan on using the above strategy on everything that I publish. When demand is low, lower the price, when demand is high, raise the price. Simple economics.

That is true about utilising simple economics. Without setting your prices correctly, you could be missing out on profits...

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Ofthemix

I'm not sure of who you are speaking, but I plan on employing a similar strategy. If you're not well known, I think that starting out at 99 cents is almost essential to gain buyer interest, especially in fiction niches.
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Either way, I plan on using the above strategy on everything that I publish. When demand is low, lower the price, when demand is high, raise the price. Simple economics.

I may be over-thinking this process, but am stuck between going ahead with a
Kindle promotion for my novel because of a concern... how does this scale?

Let's say you sell 100 copies on the Kindle at $2.99. What next?

Your next novel/novella may sell 100 or even 200 - but at not a great price,
leaving a modest profit only. And then, you're writing more and more for a
very slowly increasing readership.

Is the idea of a Kindle launch to catch the eye of an agent/publisher, so you
can go mainstream with fiction?

With NON-fiction, I'm convinced traditional publishing is NOT the way ahead,
and direct marketing at higher price points can be very lucrative. But fiction
marketing is a completely different beast, I think.

What is your overall or ultimate strategic destination - to build a big readership
through your Kindle sales, or find an entry into traditional publishing via this
route?

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this, I'm sure others will also find it
helpful.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by drmani

I may be over-thinking this process, but am stuck between going ahead with a
Kindle promotion for my novel because of a concern... how does this scale?

Let's say you sell 100 copies on the Kindle at $2.99. What next?

Your next novel/novella may sell 100 or even 200 - but at not a great price,
leaving a modest profit only. And then, you're writing more and more for a
very slowly increasing readership.

Is the idea of a Kindle launch to catch the eye of an agent/publisher, so you
can go mainstream with fiction?

With NON-fiction, I'm convinced traditional publishing is NOT the way ahead,
and direct marketing at higher price points can be very lucrative. But fiction
marketing is a completely different beast, I think.

What is your overall or ultimate strategic destination - to build a big readership
through your Kindle sales, or find an entry into traditional publishing via this
route?

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this, I'm sure others will also find it
helpful.

All success
Dr.Mani

Ultimately I'd love to be picked up by a reputable publisher, but I'll settle for slow and steady wins the race. I write fiction because I love writing it. Knowing that other people are buying/reading it is just a reward that goes a long with it.

I did go ahead and publish a physical copy of the first novelette. I also finished the second one in the series and submitted that to the Kindle and CreateSpace as well.

Here is my strategy, which I'm currently testing. I'm writing this series of short novelettes so that there will be several in the series, approximately 7. By making them short, it allows me to produce them faster. By making a series, it pretty much ensures that anyone who reads and enjoys the first one will look forward to buying subsequent novelettes in the series. If I wrote it all into one book, which would easily be possible, I would probably only realistically be able to change $0.99 for the book while I'm waiting for it to get noticed. Then, after people read it, while they may be interested in my work, they would have to wait for however long it would take me to create another full length novel, and by that time they could have forgotten about me completely.

By writing a short series. #1) I get to charge $0.99 cents per novelette. #2) The fact that it's a series will increase the chance that interested buyers who have read the first novelette will keep checking back for new additions to the series which will equal more sales for me. If the series becomes popular, then word of mouth will spread it. If best comes to best then I will eventually be able to hike up the price of each novelette, thus further increasing profit.

If a group of people enjoy one of your series, they'll likely be interested in whatever you put out next that's within their genre, creating a stream of repeat buyers. Pretty much the same principle with creating multiple products in the same niche with internet marketing.

$2.99 isn't a lot of money, but if your book goes viral then it can blow up fast. Imagine selling 100,000 copies a month. (Probably not realistic, but it does happen. Think Amanda Hocking.)

Also keep in mind, that as a marketer, I'm not just putting my work on the Kindle and hoping for the best. I will be doing promotions via press releases and other methods, bringing the readers to me instead of waiting for them.

For non-fiction, my thought process is the same as yours. I imagine that I would probably do much better throwing up a squeeze page and selling an ebook version of my non-fiction via ejunkie or Clickbank. Obviously the income difference is vast. On Kindle you would probably only get a few dollars for something that you could sell for $40 on your own website.

Two different beasts, as you said.

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Paul Coleman

15 years ago

Originally Posted by drmani

Let's say you sell 100 copies on the Kindle at $2.99. What next?

Your next novel/novella may sell 100 or even 200 - but at not a great price,
leaving a modest profit only. And then, you're writing more and more for a
very slowly increasing readership.

Is the idea of a Kindle launch to catch the eye of an agent/publisher, so you
can go mainstream with fiction?

All success
Dr.Mani

Hi Doc,

All your Kindle books keep collecting readers. So as you add books, you will get a cumulative effect. You are looking for critical mass. The mantra when it comes to Kindle sales is: "Write another book."

By the way, many successful Kindle authors have turned down publishing deals. And some have made a "partial" deal where they keep all rights to their current books, but sell the rights to the next three in the series.

Paul

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Paul Coleman 15 years ago

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paulie888

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Ofthemix

I'm not sure of who you are speaking, but I plan on employing a similar strategy. If you're not well known, I think that starting out at 99 cents is almost essential to gain buyer interest, especially in fiction niches.

It's probably not the same for non-fiction niches, since many consumers would be more readily willing to part with their money if they thought that they could find the solution to their problems in a book.

Either way, I plan on using the above strategy on everything that I publish. When demand is low, lower the price, when demand is high, raise the price. Simple economics.

If I remember correctly, this author is a fairly well known fiction writer that has been on Kindle for a while now. I'll try to dig his name up sometime soon, as I'm sure you are interested in knowing who he is.

I'm pretty sure that when an ebook is priced at 99 cents and has already garnered good reviews, it becomes an irresistible impulse purchase that will attract many buyers that otherwise would not consider picking it up.

Paul

EDIT: I believe this author's name is John Locke.

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Fun to Write

15 years ago

I'm planning on publishing some fiction on Kindle soon.

How did you get your covers designed?

Did you do it yourself or pay a designer?

Originally Posted by Ofthemix

My best tip at this point would be to make sure you have a decent cover design that will, if not tempt people into buying, at least look professional enough for them to take your book seriously. Also, use the tags to help identify your audience.

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Canuckystan 15 years ago

I've had crime fiction on Kindle for a year now, with 4 and 5 star reviews, lots of promoting through book review blogs, forums etc etc.

A very good month is $150. A bad month is $30. There are more bad than good months. Many more. My book is $1.99.

Do it because you love writing fiction - you can make much more with less effort doing many other things.

The number of self-published ebooks loading to Kindle is absolutely huge. You need to make a massive effort to be seen (and purchased) above the crowd.

Remember that those who are successful now started 1 or 2 years ago when there were a fraction of the books that are available now. The number has grown by over 10X since then. And big publishers are starting to drop their prices. Before there was very little available at low cost. Now there are mountains of books available at cheap prices. Just saying.

I think you can make much more writing a non-fiction ebook and selling it yourself on a nicely ranked website.
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Ofthemix 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Fun to Write

I'm planning on publishing some fiction on Kindle soon.

How did you get your covers designed?

Did you do it yourself or pay a designer?

Then first one, I paid someone on Fiverr . . . and it came out absolutely horrid, so I ended up redesigning it myself. I know that a lot of people recommend finding people to do ecover design on Fiverr, but you need to keep in mind that most ebook cover designers on Fiverr are limited to what images they can get for free and if you're publishing a fiction novel that is going to need any type of creativity in regards to design, Fiverr is probably not the place to find an ebook cover designer. However, if you're trying to sell a non-fiction book in a popular niche, you'll probably do just fine paying someone from Fiverr to design your cover.

With my first novelette, I found some free images via stock.xchng - the leading free stock photography site and designed my cover to my liking over at eBook Cover Creator - eCover Design Online Free It was simple, fun, and inexpensive.

For the second novelette in my series, I started by publishing on CreateSpace, took one of their basic cover designs, inserted my own image, and published that way. Cost $0.

Your ebook cover design does not have to cost you a fortune. It just needs to be professional looking, and that's easy enough to achieve on your own using simple software.
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edlewis 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Fun to Write

I'm planning on publishing some fiction on Kindle soon.

How did you get your covers designed?

Did you do it yourself or pay a designer?

Designers are great...and the really great one's do an amazing job. But...for most people it's not feasible to lay out $200 or $300+ for a cover before ever selling a copy.

The best way is to use stock images...

I know money can be tight at times, but if you can't invest $12 or so to buy some credits over at Fotolia or Bigstockphoto...then you are digging yourself a hole and possibly setting yourself up to fail.

As for ecovers....I don't use them on Kindle. There is no need. And my testing has shown a flat image converts better. No one is using ecovers except "internet marketers" and Kindle spammers who simply re-publish tired old PLR.
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steverich 15 years ago

Don't judge a book by it's cover .................... or do!
Been looking into producing kindle products, and yes, image is everything (well it sure helps)
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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Ofthemix

My best tip at this point would be to make sure you have a decent cover design that will, if not tempt people into buying, at least look professional enough for them to take your book seriously.

I also publish on the Kindle (haven't tried fiction yet) and I know that the cover is really important. Unfortunately people still judge a book by its cover...

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15 years ago

That's encouraging.. I'd been thinking of trying my luck as well. Nice to hear about even samll successes.

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Rose Anderson

15 years ago

I've been thinking about publishing some short fiction on kindle. How many pages do the singles ususally run?

Thanks for sharing!
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TeamGlobal

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Ofthemix

So, I've been reading some threads about publishing on the Kindle lately, and aside from people like Amanda Hocking and famous fiction writers, I keep hearing that it's hard to sell fiction on the Kindle. Well, I published a short 30 page fiction novelette a few days ago and it's already sold a few copies.

Is anyone else out there having luck selling fiction literature on the Kindle, and I'm not talking about erotica.

Congrats!

That's very cool. I haven't published on Kindle yet, but it's nice to know that there is an interest in fiction.

It might be time for me to dig up some of my old sci fi short stories.

All The Very Best,

Tony

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Alan Petersen 15 years ago

Congrats! I'm writing my first fiction book so I'll let you know.

Don't forget that it's just as easy to self-publish paperback "real book" on Amazon as it is in Kindle so do that as well to capture more sales.
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Sarah S

15 years ago

Just out of curiosity, about how much of a commission do you earn as an author every time someone buys your book on Kindle?

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15 years ago

You earn a 35% royalty payment on books priced 2.98 and under. For books priced 2.99 and up you can earn 70% royalties. I think there are restrictions on this depending on the country.

Self publishing is fast becoming a great way to get your books published. Kindle has really leveled the playing field for authors.

However, this has to be said....if you want to make good money publishing your book on Kindle you must take it serious. Quality is the key because your sales depend upon the readers' reviews of your book.

I will be publishing fiction on Kindle in the near future but only after I have edited and then re-edited and then hired an editor to edit my work again. I will also have my book covers developed by a real artist. (This is something I will definitely not attempt myself however my daughter is an amazing artist so I have an advantage here)

There are indie Kindle authors out there that are bringing thousands in each month. However, they have all the essential elements in place that make a great book.

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15 years ago

I know plenty of people that do well on the Kindle. In fact I have several fiction books under different pen names that do well.

I am currently writing a fiction series and piecing together some nonfiction stuff for a couple of other books.

I like to target the 70% commission range when I publish my books. I make way more from ebooks than I ever do with the print version. In fact, I personally know indie writers that make a five figure monthly income from the Kindle alone.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by imon32red

I know plenty of people that do well on the Kindle. In fact I have several fiction books under different pen names that do well.

I am currently writing a fiction series and piecing together some nonfiction stuff for a couple of other books.

I like to target the 70% commission range when I publish my books. I make way more from ebooks than I ever do with the print version. In fact, I personally know indie writers that make a five figure monthly income from the Kindle alone.

Yeah, I don't picture myself attacking the print media side of it until the digital kicks off a bit better, though I was originally going to publish it on CreateSpace.

I think that if you want to do fiction writing, now is probably the right time with the rise of the Kindle.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Ofthemix

Yeah, I don't picture myself attacking the print media side of it until the digital kicks off a bit better, though I was originally going to publish it on CreateSpace.

I think that if you want to do fiction writing, now is probably the right time with the rise of the Kindle.

That's funny - I have the opposite approach. I've only been doing physical books until lately and now going for kindle publishing.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Andyhenry

That's funny - I have the opposite approach. I've only been doing physical books until lately and now going for kindle publishing.

Same here. I'm just getting to publish my first paperback as a Kindle e-book.

Kindle e-books are rising but paperbacks are still the majority. CreateSpace makes it so easy that you can have your cake and eat it too... meaning publishing your book for Kindle and paperback at the same time.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Alan Petersen

Same here. I'm just getting to publish my first paperback as a Kindle e-book.

Kindle e-books are rising but paperbacks are still the majority. CreateSpace makes it so easy that you can have your cake and eat it too... meaning publishing your book for Kindle and paperback at the same time.

I just worry that the price they charge (pre my commission) for a 32 page novelette is a bit more than most people would be willing to pay. With $0 commission selling it through Amazon on CreateSpace, the lowest price they'll allow me to sell it for is $6.10. Seems a bit high for something only 32 pages that's NOT in the IM niche. lol Just had to add that. :p

I definitely plan on selling physical copies of my longer novels though.

Do you guys have the Pro Plan through CreateSpace? And if so, is it worth it?

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drmani 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Ofthemix

I definitely plan on selling physical copies of my longer novels though.

Do you guys have the Pro Plan through CreateSpace? And if so, is it worth it?

The Pro plan, through added commissions, can pay for itself if you make
enough sales (you can do the math and calculate how many copies you
need to sell to hit that level). Also, you get 'extended distribution' (not
sure if it's generally available nowadays, when I signed up a couple of
years ago, it was a Pro level feature) - which gets your book into many
channels not otherwise available.

A nice 'extra' was that (probably because of the number of sales generated)
they waived my annual fee for the 2nd year of Pro plan, so I got two years
for the price of one

Hope this helps.

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P.S. - Please keep us posted about how sales of your fiction work goes.
I'm still torn between self-publishing my novel on CreateSpace and Kindle
versus trying to find a publisher. Hoped the Amazon.com Breakthrough
Novel Award would offer an opportunity, but my submission didn't make
the cut to go to phase 2
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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Ofthemix

I just worry that the price they charge (pre my commission) for a 32 page novelette is a bit more than most people would be willing to pay. With $0 commission selling it through Amazon on CreateSpace, the lowest price they'll allow me to sell it for is $6.10. Seems a bit high for something only 32 pages that's NOT in the IM niche. lol Just had to add that. :p

I definitely plan on selling physical copies of my longer novels though.

Do you guys have the Pro Plan through CreateSpace? And if so, is it worth it?

If you have a series of Novelette's, you can put them in to a physical product as a collection and then sell them.

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drmani

15 years ago

Originally Posted by nursewriter

However, this has to be said....if you want to make good money publishing your book on Kindle you must take it serious. Quality is the key because your sales depend upon the readers' reviews of your book.

You may well be right, though I'll take a different stance and state that the
MARKETING of one's Kindle ebook matters more than how well you package
and present the content itself. (I completely agree about "reader's reviews"!)

In a week's promotion, I took my Kindle version of "47 Hearts" to #5 on the
Motivational books and #7 on Personal Management sections - and the ebook
itself is formatted VERY plainly, and even has some formatting errors which
I couldn't get fixed in time for the launch.

Oh, and all it took was 7 days of INTENSE promotion to get that going.

Just saying

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cherylwright

15 years ago

Originally Posted by drmani

You may well be right, though I'll take a different stance and state that the
MARKETING of one's Kindle ebook matters more than how well you package and present the content itself.

Does that mean Kindle promotions should be handled differently to other book promotions?

I am planning on selling my current self-published non-fiction ebooks via Kindle in the near future.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Cheryl

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Don Schenk

15 years ago

Originally Posted by nursewriter

You earn a 35% royalty payment on books priced 2.98 and under. For books priced 2.99 and up you can earn 70% royalties. I think there are restrictions on this depending on the country.

Are these numbers correct?

Daniel Hall ran a webinar a week or two ago to Mike Carraway's list. During the webinar he showed the way Amazon pays to authors of kindle books.

Authors have a choice of earning either 35% or 70%. And must set up their account for each kingle book one way or the other.

In order to receive 70% authors must agree to keep the price between $2.99 and $9.99. If authors agree to the 35% model, they can price their kindle books from 99 cents up to $200.

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drmani

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Don Schenk

Are these numbers correct?
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In order to receive 70% authors must agree to keep the price between $2.99 and $9.99. If authors agree to the 35% model, they can price their kindle books from 99 cents up to $200.

:-Don

Yes, Don, that's what it says on the Kindle store set-up page.

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Mike McAleer

15 years ago

I was considering putting a marketing ebook on their. Would that work or only fiction?

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by drmani

The Pro plan, through added commissions, can pay for itself if you make
enough sales (you can do the math and calculate how many copies you
need to sell to hit that level). Also, you get 'extended distribution' (not
sure if it's generally available nowadays, when I signed up a couple of
years ago, it was a Pro level feature) - which gets your book into many
channels not otherwise available.

A nice 'extra' was that (probably because of the number of sales generated)
they waived my annual fee for the 2nd year of Pro plan, so I got two years
for the price of one

Hope this helps.

All success
Dr.Mani

P.S. - Please keep us posted about how sales of your fiction work goes.
I'm still torn between self-publishing my novel on CreateSpace and Kindle
versus trying to find a publisher. Hoped the Amazon.com Breakthrough
Novel Award would offer an opportunity, but my submission didn't make
the cut to go to phase 2

Finding a publisher is a real pain, especially for fiction novels. My dream career is to be a fiction writer, not even a super famous one, just enough to pay the bills so that I can do what I love for the rest of my life and make money from it. I've written a few full length novels. I sent one out to about 20 different publishers. One publisher almost picked it up but things ended up falling through. It sucked and completely killed my desire to write for several years. After hearing about people having great success with the Kindle I've decided to give it another go.

You may have better luck than I did finding a traditional publisher due to the fact that you're a doctor, but it's definitely hard to break through. I wish you the best of luck if you choose to go that route.

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I was considering putting a marketing ebook on their. Would that work or only fiction?

I hear that marketing books do well on the Kindle.

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paulie888 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike McAleer

I was considering putting a marketing ebook on their. Would that work or only fiction?

Definitely, you can sell both fiction and non-fiction ebooks on Kindle, but of course sales are not guaranteed.
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Brianne 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike McAleer

I was considering putting a marketing ebook on their. Would that work or only fiction?

I've seen marketing ebooks on there...been looking into selling on kindle lately myself.
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Andrea Wilson

15 years ago

Wow congratulations to your success! I rarely read Fiction stories in my kindle but seems a lot of people think different. I will spread the word.

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15 years ago

Congratulations on your success, just goes to show that the ways to make money online are limitless....way to go

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15 years ago

As for "extended distribution" go straight to LSI as that's who Creatspace and Lulu use anyway, and receive up to 80% "royalties" with no restrictions on retail price (if you truly self-publish you don't receive "royalties" you receive "profits").

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Kristy Taylor

As for "extended distribution" go straight to LSI as that's who Creatspace and Lulu use anyway, and receive up to 80% "royalties" with no restrictions on retail price (if you truly self-publish you don't receive "royalties" you receive "profits").

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Is this the correct link to LSI? https://www.lightningsource.com/default.aspx

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Originally Posted by Kristy Taylor

As for "extended distribution" go straight to LSI as that's who Creatspace and Lulu use anyway, and receive up to 80% "royalties" with no restrictions on retail price (if you truly self-publish you don't receive "royalties" you receive "profits").

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Kristy

Agree on the extended distribution but CreateSpace doesn't use LSI to print like LuLu does. They even tried to strong-arm LSI out of the picture a few years ago but Ingram is too big so they couldn't do it and now work with them.

Great info on CreateSpace extended distribution from Aaron Sheppard:

CreateSpace Connections (Expanded Distribution Channel, Lightning Source, Ingram, Baker & Taylor)

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15 years ago

Yep, I've been using them since 2004.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Ofthemix

So, I've been reading some threads about publishing on the Kindle lately, and aside from people like Amanda Hocking and famous fiction writers, I keep hearing that it's hard to sell fiction on the Kindle. Well, I published a short 30 page fiction novelette a few days ago and it's already sold a few copies.

Is anyone else out there having luck selling fiction literature on the Kindle, and I'm not talking about erotica.

A friend of mine recently published fiction on Kindle. She made more in a week with Kindle, than I've made in several months with a traditional publisher.

That's the great thing about Kindle, from what I've read, because you get much higher 'royalties'. With a traditional publisher, everyone has their finger in the pie.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Chris Kent

To the OP, you said you tried publishers. What about sending your draft to agents too? Many publishers won't even look at submissions anymore unless they go via an agent.

Out of interest, what limits does kindle place on fiction? Can you write a book about a drug-fuelled serial killing terrorist, for example? Or are there limits?

They have content guidelines...

Amazon.com Help: Content Guidelines

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Alan Petersen 15 years ago

One thing I've noticed from visiting several of these best-selling self-publishing type authors and even published ones websites... no opt-in form. Doesn't look like they do list-building.

When you have a new book you could email your list. Ask them to leave you review on Amazon, etc.
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15 years ago

"Amazon depends on Lightning as a pillar of CreateSpace distribution"

CreateSpace Connections (Expanded Distribution Channel, Lightning Source, Ingram, Baker & Taylor)

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Originally Posted by Kristy Taylor

"Amazon depends on Lightning as a pillar of CreateSpace distribution"

CreateSpace Connections (Expanded Distribution Channel, Lightning Source, Ingram, Baker & Taylor)

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For distribution. I thought you meant that CreateSpace uses LSI to to print their books like LuLu which they do not.

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15 years ago

No my post started with: As for "extended distribution" go straight to LSI

I've known Aaron from many lists for approx. 7 years now.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Alan Petersen

Agree on the extended distribution but CreateSpace doesn't use LSI to print like LuLu does. They even tried to strong-arm LSI out of the picture a few years ago but Ingram is too big so they couldn't do it and now work with them.

Great info on CreateSpace extended distribution from Aaron Sheppard:

CreateSpace Connections (Expanded Distribution Channel, Lightning Source, Ingram, Baker & Taylor)

His books are great for self publishers.

After reading all of that, it seems like you'd be better off publishing with Lightning Source, but the cost of purchasing ISBNs and what not would make CreateSpace the cheaper option of the two, despite the fact that your book won't reach as far.

Originally Posted by Chris Kent

To the OP, you said you tried publishers. What about sending your draft to agents too? Many publishers won't even look at submissions anymore unless they go via an agent.

Out of interest, what limits does kindle place on fiction? Can you write a book about a drug-fuelled serial killing terrorist, for example? Or are there limits?

I really don't think I have the energy to deal with so much rejection again. I'm not sure how getting an agent would work, but if it was anything like trying to find a publisher, then I'd rather pass on having my creative energy bled from me.

And as far as Kindle fiction goes, you can literally write about anything . . . except for books that promote pedophilia apparently, as there was a big ruckus about that a while back. You can imagine that leaves the playing field wide open though.

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Originally Posted by Ofthemix

After reading all of that, it seems like you'd be better off publishing with Lightning Source, but the cost of purchasing ISBNs and what not would make CreateSpace the cheaper option of the two, despite the fact that your book won't reach as far.

Agreed. CreateSpace is more newbie friendly cost-wise and setup-wise. You're not stuck with one or the other. Folks can get their feet wet with CreateSpace and later they can go with LSI.

The important thing is not to get into analysis paralysis mode and publish be it CreateSpace or LSI.

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Jaysmyne

15 years ago

Kindle eh? I was thinking of writing an Ethnography based off an experience I had two years ago. I'm thinking of making it my research project at the university I attend I was thinking if I did write it I could publish it but perhaps publishing it on the kindle might be the best way to go!

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Stuart S

15 years ago

Well done.

Over the past month I've probably made about $3 selling non-fiction stuff on kindle, but now I might publish a short play I have lying around.

Hopefully it does well.

The only problem is creating the graphic for the book.

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wendyloohoo67

15 years ago

That's so great! Congratulations! I've been thinking of publishing a novel I wrote a few years back. Need to dust if off, clean it up and give it a go. Thanks for the inspiration!

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lesterlim85

15 years ago

I seriously love the idea of publishing a book on Kindle. You are right to point out Amanda Hocking, though not everyone can emulate the success (and talent and passion) that she had.

Pity that I'm not really cut out to be a writer, but this is a very good idea, and I applaud the OP's success.

Wishing OP all the best in making your series best sellers on Kindle!

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15 years ago

Im Glad I Found This Thread ? My Only Question Who Is Amanda Hocking ?

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15 years ago

I'm probably overlooking something simple but I'm having a hard time figuring out the formatting for Kindle.

Do any of you know where to find templates for the formatting?

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Originally Posted by Matt Maiden

I'm probably overlooking something simple but I'm having a hard time figuring out the formatting for Kindle.

Do any of you know where to find templates for the formatting?

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Not sure if you've seen it...

Amazon KDP Support : Support Home

Click on the formatting guide.

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Martin Luxton

15 years ago

I would appreciate some feedback on leadtimes.

Amazon says 24-48 hours after submission for your book to be available on their store. In your experience, do they stick to that?

It's important because I'm doing a spoof book for April 1st and I have to time its release just right.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Martin Luxton

I would appreciate some feedback on leadtimes.

Amazon says 24-48 hours after submission for your book to be available on their store. In your experience, do they stick to that?

It's important because I'm doing a spoof book for April 1st and I have to time its release just right.

Martin

Yes... I published my first Kindle short story on Sunday. It isn't yet published, though it might be by the end of the day.

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MagicAce

15 years ago

Does anyone have any advice for someone who's first language is not english? I really enjoy writing fiction and I am good at it. Kindle would be good for me if I could write english very well.

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Does Kindle offer screenplays?
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15 years ago

Originally Posted by MagicAce

Does anyone have any advice for someone who's first language is not english? I really enjoy writing fiction and I am good at it. Kindle would be good for me if I could write english very well.

I would write it in your native tongue. My brother is bilingual and speaks English and German. The German speaking Kindle market started to take off last year. I would publish it first in your native language. If it takes off you could use the money to have it translated into English.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Martin Luxton

I would appreciate some feedback on leadtimes.

Amazon says 24-48 hours after submission for your book to be available on their store. In your experience, do they stick to that?

It's important because I'm doing a spoof book for April 1st and I have to time its release just right.

Martin

I did a lot of edits on the first novelette that I published. Usually they had it up in 24 hours or less. The second novelette I published took the whole 48 hours.

Originally Posted by Zabrina

Yes... I published my first Kindle short story on Sunday. It isn't yet published, though it might be by the end of the day.

You'll have to let us know if you get any sales right out of the gate. From what I've noticed, a lot of people see sales right after their book/story is published.

I just published the second part to my novelette series and it's already gotten a sale. I haven't even begun promoting the series yet because I want to wait until I get my proof copies from CreateSpace before I start writing and submitting press releases.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Martin Luxton

I would appreciate some feedback on leadtimes.

Amazon says 24-48 hours after submission for your book to be available on their store. In your experience, do they stick to that?

It's important because I'm doing a spoof book for April 1st and I have to time its release just right.

Martin

Martin,

I'd give it a good 48 hours.

Sometimes it is faster than that, but you will want it out sooner rather than later just to be sure.

Are you promoting this?

I ask because while Amazon will publish Kindle ebooks in 24-48 hours....it will take much longer than that for your ebook to actually start to show up in Amazon search results....and suggestion results.

It's going to take a week, maybe even two weeks for your ebook to show up anywhere on Amazon...unless people are searching for it by name or you are directing traffic to it.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by edlewis

Martin,

Are you promoting this?

[snip] unless people are searching for it by name or you are directing traffic to it.

Ed,

Promotion with press releases, Youtube videos, blog posts, forum links and contacting sites that specialise in humour.

So, if I submit the Kindle book around the 26th March, I should have a couple of days' grace before the 1st April.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Martin Luxton

Ed,

Promotion with press releases, Youtube videos, blog posts, forum links and contacting sites that specialise in humour.

So, if I submit the Kindle book around the 26th March, I should have a couple of days' grace before the 1st April.

Martin

Yeah...I've had books show up on Amazon in less than 24 hours....

Even though they still say "Publishing" in my Kindle Direct Publishing (KDP) account, as long as they have an ASIN number under them, they are up on Amazon.

Just take that ASIN number and copy and paste it into Amazon's search...your ebook should show up.

The only hiccup MIGHT be if you are in the UK. I'm not in the UK so I'm not 100% sure the upload times will match up.

If you're curious just take a random file and do a test run. Upload a book in the next couple of days...and see how long the process takes.

Don't worry about what you publish for this test run...you can always unpublish it....

This should help take some of the mystery out of it for you.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Matt Maiden

I'm probably overlooking something simple but I'm having a hard time figuring out the formatting for Kindle.

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I was wondering the same thing and came across a blog by Aaron Shepard in which he explains it...

From Word to Kindle (Kindle Books, Microsoft Word, formatting ebooks)

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sethczerepak

15 years ago

You know, I've been wondering about this...why not market your own fiction works? That's all publishers do anyway. If you could get this down, I bet you could create a product and make a lot of sales...I'd be one of them.

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Canuckystan

15 years ago

That's a massive uphill battle. Amazon (and the others) have one-click purchase, reviews, forum, "buy this if you liked that" marketing for your book, etc., - all the things readers need to decide to purchase. Plus Amazon gives the purchase some legitimacy over a fiction book on a separate site.

Specialized non-fiction ebooks would likely do better sold apart from Kindle, etc.

Originally Posted by sethczerepak

You know, I've been wondering about this...why not market your own fiction works? That's all publishers do anyway. If you could get this down, I bet you could create a product and make a lot of sales...I'd be one of them.

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Originally Posted by Canuckystan

That's a massive uphill battle. Amazon (and the others) have one-click purchase, reviews, forum, "buy this if you liked that" marketing for your book, etc., - all the things readers need to decide to purchase. Plus Amazon gives the purchase some legitimacy over a fiction book on a separate site.

Specialized non-fiction ebooks would likely do better sold apart from Kindle, etc.

This is true, but you can also go outside of Amazon to funnel people to your Amazon sales page. Here's a post that I wrote in another thread:

You can promote your book through press releases, youtube videos, and article marketing. These methods should work well for driving targeted traffic to your ebooks. I highly recommend creating and distributing a press release for each individual title.

I also recommend building an authors website where you can showcase all of your work and add a blog. This would be a method to use if you plan on writing a multitude of books under one author name or pen name. That way people can subscribe to your RSS feed or sign up to your list so that they'll be informed of whenever you publish a new novel, which could equal a good spike in sales every time you publish something new. You could also alternatively create a niche website if you plan on only writing for a certain niche, then drive traffic to that website. For the website I built, I'm using all of the tried and true traffic generation methods that I use on my income producing websites.

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Cliff_OBA 15 years ago

This is very encouraging. Writing fiction is something I've put aside for a long time now. Although, I was here today to continue my IM pursuits, and probably don't need any more distractions... but still encouraging!
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Stuart S

15 years ago

You could also try introducing the first part of the series for $0.99 for an indefinite period of time and having each sequel priced at $2.99.

While I admire your dreams to wanting to be picked up by a major publisher, if that's basically for monetary purposes you could be making just as much, if not more (and more easily) self-publishing on Kindle.

here's a pretty good blog which I've really enjoyed reading on self-publishing and kindle.

A Newbie's Guide to Publishing

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by JacksonRiddle

You could also try introducing the first part of the series for $0.99 for an indefinite period of time and having each sequel priced at $2.99.

While I admire your dreams to wanting to be picked up by a major publisher, if that's basically for monetary purposes you could be making just as much, if not more (and more easily) self-publishing on Kindle.

here's a pretty good blog which I've really enjoyed reading on self-publishing and kindle.

A Newbie's Guide to Publishing

Jackson, this relatively new ebook market created by Amazon is only going to grow in the coming years, especially with the tablet revolution right around the corner. As tablets become adopted by the mainstream, you'll only see ebook sales accelerate as it is an ideal and very convenient platform for consuming ebooks. Furthermore, I think the idea of good inexpensive ebooks available for less than a cup of coffee would be irresistible to the millions out there who have e-readers and tablets, and this trend is only going to explode with decent e-readers under $100 (which more or less makes it a tempting discretionary item) just around the corner.

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Matt Bard

15 years ago

Alan,

I was in that section twice and just didn't see it right under my nose

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Originally Posted by Matt Maiden

Alan,

I was in that section twice and just didn't see it right under my nose

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Matt:

You're a War Room member. You can download Paul Coleman's "Kindle Revolutions" in the War Room for free. It's loaded with good info about Kindle publishing.
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Zabrina

15 years ago

Wonderful... I just published my first Kindle short story. (Is it okay to link to it here, or is that excessive self-promotion?

) It took almost exactly 48 hours to go live.

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