by Asher
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Hi Warriors,

This thread isn't going to make me popular since
I'm "standing up" for the MLM niche in a sense.
In fact... it scares me

Ever since the second reply for this thread that
a newbie asked (very nicely, I might add) about
how to go about in internet MLM business, the
thread is littered with responses that discourage
the OP from pursuing that niche.

It's not the first time any MLM thread had it though.

Even though I believe they mean well but here's a
new person whose going into a niche and seeking
advice on how to go about it from people in this
forum... being knocked down from wanting to get
into the niche.

If you guys are wondering why there's a new flow
of people coming into the Warrior Forums asking
about network marketing, it's because of people
like Mike Dillard, Daegan Smith (just to name a
couple) who are teaching them how to use the
internet to build a legitimate online network
marketing business for THEMSELVES.

The sales model they teach is the exact same
thing in Affiliate Marketing 101 - Use squeeze pages,
use sales pages, learn PPC properly, learn how to
advertise, set up blogs, use autoresponders, article
marketing, etc

Instead of outright telling them that MLM doesn't
work or it's a scam... isn't there a better way by
showing them how to build their own business instead
of saying that the niche doesn't work or it's a scam?

Who knows? These people might just turn out to
become your subscribers and buyers.

What are scams? Pyramid schemes, Ponzi schemes
and whatever P-schemes there are. There are "make
money online" scams too.

Infomercials with dumb blonde girls wearing low-cut
clothes that reveal Grand Canyon crevices selling
IM products - to me, are scams (or just good ol'
sex-sells-marketing).

What do you think - is MLM really a scam?
#mlm #scam
  • Profile picture of the author myob
    MLM is a legitimate marketing model used by some major companies. People falsely associate "pyramid" marketing as MLM. Pyramid marketing is the scam, not MLM.
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  • Profile picture of the author CurtisN
    The reason why online MLMs are generally considered scams is because most of them don't offer legitimate products or offer products that are essentially junk. This is probably what many people think of when they think of MLMs.

    I completely agree that MLMs are legit methods used by legit companies, especially offline. The same marketing techniques are used to drive traffic to MLM opps online as to a "typical" internet marketing opp.

    I forget the exact quote, but it's something about the many being punished by the crimes of the few.
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    • Profile picture of the author Nonny
      Originally Posted by CurtisN View Post

      The reason why online MLMs are generally considered scams is because most of them don't offer legitimate products or offer products that are essentially junk. This is probably what many people think of when they think of MLMs.
      It's not just the online MLMs that push junk. I've had a couple of acquaintances get involved in offline MLMs that involved selling overpriced not-very-desirable products. They didn't have any marketing skills or money to invest in advertising, and didn't realize that that would be necessary to be successful. Once they had sold a few items to their friends and family (who mostly bought out of a sense of obligation), their business basically was over.

      So for me, it's not that MLMs aren't using a legit business model. It's that MLMs are marketed an easy way for anyone to make money, and that's simply not true. Like any other business it requires marketing skills (either natural or learned) and an investment of time and money (for advertising etc)
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    • Profile picture of the author Floyd Fisher
      Here's the problem.

      Most of the so-called MLM's out there make you money via signups underneath you. The legal term is 'headhunting fee', and it's illegal as hell.

      A legitimate MLM has no such feature. The only way to make money in a legitimate MLM is through retail sales to actual customers.

      If the MLM you're looking at has a feature like 'quickstart bonus', or 'referral bonus' for signing people up, don't walk....****ing run like you're fleeing an avalanche.
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      • Profile picture of the author Asher
        Originally Posted by Floyd Fisher View Post

        Here's the problem.

        Most of the so-called MLM's out there make you money via signups underneath you. The legal term is 'headhunting fee', and it's illegal as hell.

        A legitimate MLM has no such feature. The only way to make money in a legitimate MLM is through retail sales to actual customers.
        Excellent advice!

        Originally Posted by Floyd Fisher View Post

        If the MLM you're looking at has a feature like 'quickstart bonus', or 'referral bonus' for signing people up, don't walk....****ing run like you're fleeing an avalanche.
        However, quickstart bonuses and referral bonuses are
        just "part of the game" isn't it? That's what a lot of
        online business have used as well... or at least with
        some of the "gurus" I've seen employ this strategy.

        Asher
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        • Profile picture of the author Floyd Fisher
          Originally Posted by Asher View Post

          Excellent advice!



          However, quickstart bonuses and referral bonuses are
          just "part of the game" isn't it? That's what a lot of
          online business have used as well... or at least with
          some of the "gurus" I've seen employ this strategy.

          Asher
          Asher:

          To understand what is legal, and what isn't, you need to know the legal definition of a business.

          A business sells products or services to customers!

          If you're not selling products or services to actual customers, you don't have a business.

          Do you understand that?
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  • Profile picture of the author tomw
    Originally Posted by Asher View Post

    Instead of outright telling them that MLM doesn't
    work or it's a scam... isn't there a better way by
    showing them how to build their own business instead
    of saying that the niche doesn't work or it's a scam?
    This is the key really, isn't it? Participation in an MLM scheme is not "building their own business." It is building someone else's.

    Most Warriors and anyone else with the slightest business sense would always advise someone that asks them to build THEIR OWN business.

    If they decide to build their own MLM business then that's another matter. But there are far easier and less stigma stained ways of doing it.

    I guess these would be just two of the reasons for the responses he got in his thread.

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    • Profile picture of the author Asher
      Originally Posted by tomw View Post

      This is the key really, isn't it? Participation in an MLM scheme is not "building their own business." It is building someone else's.

      Most Warriors and anyone else with the slightest business sense would always advise someone that asks them to build THEIR OWN business.

      If they decide to build their own MLM business then that's another matter. But there are far easier and less stigma stained ways of doing it.

      I guess these would be just two of the reasons for the responses he got in his thread.

      Thomas
      The thing that I believe in any good and legitimate
      MLM business is that in their offline trainings, I think
      they do talk about MLM as their own legitimate
      self-owned business.

      But I think that it's mostly the uplines who are
      teaching the old dinosaur ways of doing network
      marketing and thus really pushing people away
      instead of building a real business for themselves.

      But if it comes to building their own MLM company,
      I agree with you - there are far easier and less
      stigma stained ways of doing it.

      Asher
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  • Profile picture of the author Devan Koshal
    MLM is legit, just a similar business model has been used for scams which givea it a bad vibe. and alot of people fail with mlm so they call it a scam...which is ridiculous systems work people dont.
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    • Profile picture of the author Asher
      Originally Posted by Devan Koshal View Post

      and alot of people fail with mlm so they call it a scam...which is ridiculous systems work people dont.
      Agreed, systems DO work. It's just the people who
      fail at making it work.

      Thanks for sharing that.

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  • Profile picture of the author babarapho
    MLMs are real and legitimate businesses. The only bad thing is that some red heads have used some .of them for SCAMS. I know of people that have made money and are still doing same. The bottom line here watch before you leap.
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  • Profile picture of the author Loren Woirhaye
    MLM itself isn't a scam of course. It's not even a business
    model. It's a distribution model for products.

    There is often a lot of get-rich-easily hype associated with
    MLM in order to recruit affiliates and that is why some folks
    have a kneejerk reaction and call all MLM a scam.

    The best thing any person who is interested in any money-making
    program can do is read a book or two about salesmanship
    and actually DO THE MATH so you know how much you
    are really going to earn. Many payplans out there are not
    nearly as lucrative as they are made-out to be and the
    boosters promoting these have a vested interest in
    concealing the weaknesses of the program.
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    • Profile picture of the author Eric Lorence
      The problem is the blatant scams that operate under the guise of being an MLM.

      Weak, useless, or nearly nonexistent products, while the real money is made in recruitment, or in the case of one well known company, making more selling self improvement tapes and books then selling "soap"- or their other primary products.

      Add in the fact that sales can be tough anyway, and many that cant hack it are quck to label MLM as a scam.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jim M
      It's a distribution model for products.
      This is it in a nutshell.....


      Over the years I have been involved in quite a few MLM companies.

      You can so easily get drawn in to these companies, because it looks so simple - particularly in the hard times that lie ahead, there will be many people who will unfortunately 'get skinned'. They will lose their hard earned money, and waste an awful lot of time - much the same as buying the wrong stuff in the IM community

      There are three key questions you need to ask when being recruited:

      1: Ask your potential up-line: 'How much did you make last month then?'
      (if they aren't making money how can they show you how to?)


      2: Ask yourself: 'Who do I know that I could sell this to and feel good about it?'
      (could you meet a customer in the street and not want to avoid them)


      3: Ask Yourself: 'Under normal circumstances (not being involved in selling it) would I buy this product / service?'
      (many products only exist because the distributors are the only consumers)


      If you can honestly answer these questions to your complete satisfaction - then the ball is firmly in your court - I know what I do at the first mention of MLM - politely say 'no thanks - I'm really not interested'.

      The only upside of going to an 'opportunity meeting' - is that there are lots of people there who want to make money - you may be able to build them a website, design business cards - whatever - but for the sake of your own sanity, financial standing and retaining your friends and family - do something else!

      There are obviously people making money, living the lifestyle etc. - but many will be funded and backed by 'The Company' - I know - because many years ago I had a downline of about 3500 people - I never made any money as my expenses always outweighed my income, and a large number of my downline were 'placed' there by the company.

      The only benefit of getting involved in MLM is that you will learn a bit about marketing and meet some really nice people - don't expect to be living off your income anytime soon...... in most cases you will think you're just starting to get somewhere and the company will 'go bust' - the bosses will move on - set up another MLM and suck in another bunch of newbies.
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      • Profile picture of the author sam12six
        Originally Posted by babarapho View Post

        MLMs are real and legitimate businesses. The only bad thing is that some red heads have used some .of them for SCAMS. I know of people that have made money and are still doing same. The bottom line here watch before you leap.
        The fact that you can make money in a program doesn't mean it's not a scam. I can make money selling nonexistent life insurance to senior citizens - the fact that I benefit from it won't make it legit.
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  • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
    By definition a company such as LifePath Unlimited is good then. There is a business attached to the products however the products were developed first AND you can sell them without needing the business pitch. They're physical products too. I'm not in it, but am looking at getting their first product. The 56 day guarantee eases my worries as well. If I've understood everything?
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  • Profile picture of the author Buildingfutures
    Oxyfresh is a good one too. Its a great Network marketing company thats been around 20 someodd years. I'm a part of it, and I can't stop saying good things about it.

    Just wish I could get people under me, lol.
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    • Profile picture of the author Floyd Fisher
      Originally Posted by Buildingfutures View Post

      Oxyfresh is a good one too. Its a great Network marketing company thats been around 20 someodd years. I'm a part of it, and I can't stop saying good things about it.

      Just wish I could get people under me, lol.
      Focus on building your retail side, and the rest of it will come together soon enough.
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  • Profile picture of the author NashRyker
    My experience with MLM has been very good. One of the businesses I run is with Amway Global. I have a residual income of about $1,000/month with that business. Having good products, and a company with a long-term reputation is vital. Success, like anything else, take consistent action and determination. People that use a blanket statement like "MLM doesn't work" have never been with the right company, or have just never stuck with it, so that is their way to justify their own failure.
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  • Profile picture of the author Big Mike75
    Multi Level Marketing is a legitimate and powerful business model, unfortunately it's also a model that can be perverted for profit. Thus, you see tons of new opportunities and ponzi schemes pop up, based on quasi products and services, and they sell nothing except the pay plan.

    The long term success of any MLM opportunity is based on product consumption, or usage of services. If all you sell is the pay plan, then eventually there is a breakdown.

    When looking at any MLM opportunity, look for these things.

    1)Products or services of value - a history of a sustained consumer base.
    2)Reputable company and management
    3)A generous pay plan - pays well on product/service sales, and building a consumer/distributor base.
    4)A true business building system.

    You will usually find those things in a solid and viable opportunity. Then you MUST be able to market and generate leads, like any other business dependent on sales. The problem is most people online approach MLM with a hobby mentality, and get killed while the autoship of products piles up in the garage.

    It must be approached as a true business.
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  • I think it's easy to understand this, the guys who teach this stuff get rich making money off you. It's there niche, and I have noticed that if you want to make money in MLM, then you must sell and work people the same way as they do otherwise you won't go far in my opinion.
    In other words the guys selling the idea is rich, and maybe famous, but who else is?
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    • Profile picture of the author NashRyker
      Originally Posted by Cash Blasters Online View Post

      I think it's easy to understand this, the guys who teach this stuff get rich making money off you. It's there niche, and I have noticed that if you want to make money in MLM, then you must sell and work people the same way as they do otherwise you won't go far in my opinion.
      In other words the guys selling the idea is rich, and maybe famous, but who else is?
      Here's the thing though. The "rich guys" started their business just the same as everyone else. No one in their network. No profit. They had the same products, the same opportunity, the same compensation plan, the same 24 hours in a day as everyone else. Sure, they become successful and step into the mentoring spotlight. That is the natural progression of the business. I started with nothing, but now, through persistent action, I am doing lots of public speaking to different networks within Amway, and I'm mentoring lots of people.'

      What is the variable then between those that succeed and those that don't? It is the individual person.

      How many people "succeed" compared to those that don't succeed in IM? The numbers will probably be similar.
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  • Profile picture of the author Quentin
    Ok lets mention the "A" word the king of all MLM companies.

    Before the Internet if you wanted to have a go at business without outlaying a small fortune Amway or a similar company was the way to go. Heck I learnt so much of these companies that has helped me in my IM business.

    The same happened with MLM as we hear in Internet Marketing.

    It dosen't work, its a scam and so on.

    The point is MLM is a great business model and has produced many great stories of success just as IM has done but stats whether your online, MLM or just a traditional business are not good on the success rate. All three have a rate of about 90 to 95% failure.

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  • Profile picture of the author Sylvan
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    MLM is not a scam. I have never thought so even though I have failed in the past. Sometimes the companies that adopt the business model may be a scam, but the model itself is legitimate, leverage the efforts of those you recruit. Essentially it's a normal business that pays affiliates through commission instead of the "boss" or upline paying the person directly. Of MLM is a scam, then commission only sales jobs are right along with them.

    The scam may come in the unrealistic promises and delusions of grandure some people have. But again its a business model, you work the business as a business and you will succeed.
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    • Profile picture of the author MaskedMarketer
      Originally Posted by Loren Woirhaye View Post

      It's a distribution model for products.
      You've made a very good point.

      It seems Affiliate Marketing could be considered MLM.

      And I think Amway has the largest distribution of an Energy drink out there. Most people probably never even heard of it.

      MLM and network marketing is a very powerful distribution model.


      Originally Posted by Loren Woirhaye View Post

      There is often a lot of get-rich-easily hype associated with
      MLM in order to recruit affiliates and that is why some folks
      have a kneejerk reaction and call all MLM a scam.
      Sounds like the 'IM' niche to me..
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  • Profile picture of the author Jim Hallmark
    I know people who have not been successful with MLM. And, I know people who earn a living (not "get rich quick" but actually earn a living) with MLM. Frankly, the ones who were not successful tried to do it as a sideline to their regular job and spent more time trying to find additional recruits. The ones who earned a living - who were successful - did so by not placing such a priority on their downlines and rather spent their energy and focus on selling products.

    Which is how a business makes money.

    And if that's the case - if the successful ones are the ones who are selling the products, not building a downline - then they are simply independent sales people with a catalogue of products. But success with that method requires some sweat.

    Is MLM a scam? No, it's not. Unfortunately it's a popular business model with people who are not willing to put in the sweat equity required to make a business successful.

    If you are looking at MLM opportunities, be aware that your success will be measurable only if your primary focus is on selling products, not on finding friends and family to sell products for you. Unfortunately, many MLM companies will be measuring you on how big your downline is.
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    • Profile picture of the author Matthew Olson
      There are many legit mlm companies out there, particularly in the health/wellness category. Some of these product are very high quality but over-priced in my opinion. Of course the prices have to be inflated in order to accomodate the commssions spread out over many levels.

      The issue I have with the majority of mlms is how many of the 'heavy hitters' approach recruiting. They make it sound very easy and 'duplicatable', when in fact it is anything but that.

      It seems like most big earners in mlm have one or more of the following attributes:

      - A very charismatic, outgoing personality that could sell ice cubes to an eskimo.
      - Savvy, well developed marketing methods that are not very duplicatable for the average soccer mom.
      - Deep pockets to pay for heavy advertising

      For example, I personally know a mlm heavy-hitter that has been a high 6 figure and 7 figure earner in several large mlms over the last 20 years. His marketing approach is VERY complex and is not at all well suited for the average person.
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      • Profile picture of the author MaskedMarketer
        Originally Posted by Matthew Olson View Post

        Some of these product are very high quality but over-priced in my opinion. Of course the prices have to be inflated in order to accomodate the commssions spread out over many levels.
        While some of the products are more expensive, I've found them to be Healthier and Tastier than the competitors. Thats just my experience. I do not endorse Quixtar, but know people who do extremely well. Some of them only started 10 years ago and Quixtar has been around for 50+ years I think.


        Originally Posted by Matthew Olson View Post

        The issue I have with the majority of mlms is how many of the 'heavy hitters' approach recruiting. They make it sound very easy and 'duplicatable', when in fact it is anything but that..
        Its just a perception. But yes, its hard for most people. Anything worthwhile in life will take work, and most people won't put it in. The people I know in the mlm are very geniue, but there are many people out there who deceive. No different than the 'IM' game.

        Originally Posted by Matthew Olson View Post

        It seems like most big earners in mlm have one or more of the following attributes:

        - A very charismatic, outgoing personality that could sell ice cubes to an eskimo.
        - Savvy, well developed marketing methods that are not very duplicatable for the average soccer mom.
        - Deep pockets to pay for heavy advertising
        If you're in business for yourself, those with Charisma will be more successful. Its to everyones benefit to become more charismatic.
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  • Profile picture of the author borilbogoev
    MLM is a legitimate marketing model used by some major companies. People falsely associate "pyramid" marketing as MLM. Pyramid marketing is the scam, not MLM.
    I agree with myob, but I still don't like to be involved in any way into a MLM model.
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Ames
    MLM is just a way to calculate commissions. In of itself it is not good or bad. Muti-tier affiliate programs are very similar.

    The "scam" label gets put on MLM when these thing occur:

    1. There are bald face lies about the income potential
    2. Ponzi and illegal activities by companies and persons
    3. Distributors that get front loaded with product and sell none
    4. Overpriced products that would not sell if there were no mlm incentives

    The size of the company has nothing to do with it being legit. Equinox comes to mind, a growing company that was featured in Forbes and Fortune. One day they were just closed due to the practice of front loading. Distributors were encouraged to buy $5,000 worth of product when they sign up. The word "encourged" is putting it mildly.

    I think a black cloud will always hang over MLM. There are people that do make lots and lots of money with it. Many more make nothing and get hurt.
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    • Profile picture of the author MaskedMarketer
      Originally Posted by Scott Ames View Post

      . Many more make nothing and get hurt.
      Just the cost of doing business, its a risk.
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  • Profile picture of the author Canei Group
    I've made a lot of money in Network Marketing and I can tell you there are definitely pros and cons. There are good companies and bad companies as with any industry. Unfortunately the bad companies and some seedy people have given the industry a bad name.

    The 5 things to look for if you want to get involved are:

    1. The timing of the company. Try to start with a company that is pre-momentum and is not yet a household name
    2. Leadership. find a company with strong leadership that has vision and integrity
    3. Marketing. What is the company's marketing niche or unique selling proposition. In other words is there a compelling story or endorsement that separates you from other companies.
    4. Product. The product has to be unique, something people want, and actually work. Not something that can be found at Costco for cheaper or that's available everywhere.
    5. Compensation plan that rewards the right behavior and is fair. Most rookies have no idea how to really evaluate a compensation plan.
    MLM is nothing more than a system of distribution, but don't kid yourself it will require extreme effort, mental toughness, commitment, leadership ability and major persistence if you want to make it to the top.
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  • Profile picture of the author jimcal
    Hi,
    Amway has been around forever so if MLM was a scam they would be gone. There are many successful MLM companies and as marketing and advertising become more expensive, many companies are going to the MLM model.
    Thanks,
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  • Profile picture of the author Asher
    Thanks everyone for the great contributions and insights!

    So, with all the posts... we've determined that MLM
    is NOT a scam but it's really a distribution model
    and it's legitimate.

    The key to determining a real MLM business and a
    fake one is to check whether the business is focusing
    on products and not purely on recruitment with
    monetary benefits as the main drawing feature.

    Now, I have a question... How can a newbie, who has
    little or no experience in the business, build up a good
    substantial stream of income using the MLM business
    model?

    Offline and/or Online - what would you recommend to
    them?

    Since we're in the internet marketing forums, what
    is the strategy that you would recommend? Try
    to make it as simple as possible because it's for the
    newbie.

    And when doing it offline... when would be a good
    time to start offline promoting? How would you
    recommend a newbie promote via offline strategies?

    Asher
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    • Profile picture of the author artwebster
      Oh boy!

      What a whole lot of beating about the bush!

      MLM as a business model works, and works well.

      MLMers, as a general rule, don't work.

      Because they don't work and, consequentially make no money, MLMers decide that MLM is a scam.

      The internet is crowded with failures who failed in spite of sitting around in their underpants all day, clicking their mouse!

      Nothing works if YOU don't - ergo, everything is a scam. This is the first rule of internet (ML) marketing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Beau
    MLM = loose all your friends.
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    • Profile picture of the author Asher
      Originally Posted by Beau View Post

      MLM = loose all your friends.
      Yep, if you do it the wrong way. It's the same
      like doing any kind of business... do it wrongly,
      you lose your friends.

      Do it right, you'll make great friends and business
      partners.

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  • Profile picture of the author Fabian Tan
    People like to shoot off their mouth without thinking or knowing the facts After all, it's not a crime to spout utter nonsense.

    And if knowledge is not good, people tend to rely on the conventional line of thought.

    "MLM are scams"

    Wow, 'normal' people are saying that, so it must be!

    Fabian
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  • Profile picture of the author BizBooks
    The long answer is that there are lkegitimate MLMS out there..

    BUT many, if not most, newbies that are being introduced to MLM are being introduced to scammy ones- and so, the short answer to a newbie is

    "yes, mlm is a scam, although some exceptions exist... but the one you are looking into is probably a scam... and go on to explain that if each person hads five people in a downline, you run out of people in the world within 25 people down... )
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  • Profile picture of the author Arine Mark
    MLM is a method of marketing. It often misused by "sick" people who can make captivating sales copy yet deliver trash. 'Normal' people learn this later after they found out they dream they bought never become true.
    I would personally avoid stereotype, so yeah MLM is scam. Majority say that. It's better for me to come up with new term for my prospects, even though basically it still the same.
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    • Profile picture of the author The 13th Warrior
      It is, if you are selling it as a get rich quick, or making claims that cannot be possibly attained by the average person.

      The most honest way I have heard is to treat MLM somewhat like an affiliate product.

      Except you ACTUALLY use the product, everyday or as a recurring customer yourself based mostly on the strength of the product ITSELF, like a review site or your daily experience and creative use of this product as it relates to PERSONAL USE ONLY.

      The MLM part comes in like some recurring affiliate commission type accounts...they like and enjoy a particular product, say, a face cream, and buy it regularly, you get a regular commission off their purchase as long as they continue to purchase, you introduce some discount offer to an already establishe customer if they tell someone else, the new person signs up, under YOUR downline, and on it goes.

      The Marketing/Income plan part of the company should be optional and really played down, its for those who really like the product and are simply wanting to share.

      To market it as though anyone can make thousands and thousands a month is unrealistic.

      The math don't add up because of the saturation point at the tail end, unless you get in 1st, at the very top.

      I'm not saying it's impossible, but it is very disingenuous to as far as mlm, to tell and sell people that they can make retirement income , quit their job or claim that they can at least make "x" amount of dollars if only they do as the marketing plan dictates.

      On average, it is unrealistic for the average, and maybe, the above average user because of the very real saturation...those "potential" numbers get smaller and less likely to achieve as time goes on....because theres a boat load at launch, then once it dies down and there are so many competing affilates and places to purchase, the numbers won't add up.

      Numbers based on example, say, they say you should be able to get 2 or 3, and "IF" they continue to promote, downline of hundreds, and "IF" those hundreds continue to promote. goes into multi-thousands, and you are supposed to train and motivate ALL these people and they are all going to give it a "fair" effort of promotion and the drop out rate will not adversely effect every individual in that downline's potential of accruing/growing income stream....., VERY unrealistic.

      The 13 th Warrior
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      • Profile picture of the author cyndinar
        MLM, mmmm,

        No thanks mates.

        Why dont you invent your own concept ?

        Cheers

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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    MLM is the worst thing to happen to online marketing since - online marketing.

    99% of online business failures can be traced to MLM or some other type of recruiting people scheme.

    The program owners no it but they're simply taking advantage of someone's greed and desire for easy do nothing money.

    Please acknowledge that you've been warned.

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  • Profile picture of the author dsmpublishing
    Kleeneze is classed as MLM and many class that as a joke as it selling door to door with a company that has been oversaturated more than avon. I wouldnt join Kleeneze would you? thats the question you need to ask yourselves
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    • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
      Wow, the ignorance in these "mlm" threads is simply staggering. I'm not a big fan of the network marketing business model but to say all "mlms are scams" is simply inaccurate. Some of the biggest names in IM participate in network marketing and many of them do very successfully and have been for many years.

      MLM is not a business, it can be a way of marketing as well as a compensation plan. I used to work for a company called American Express Financial Advisors that paid their sales force in a multi-level marketing type of compensation plan. In fact, there are plenty of large companies that pay on more than one level, they pay bonuses, overrides, just to name a few. I have many insurance and financial sales peers who get paid under a mlm structure and have been for decades. It's nothing new. Like any industry you're going to get bad apples.

      Whether people call them MLM or Networkmarketing or Relationship marketing companies or opportunities, it's basically the same idea. Just like in the Internet marketing arena there are going to be good Network marketing companies as well as bad ones. Though I've been a ten year veteran of the network marketing industry I chose to get out of it because I could make a lot more in Internet Marketing because I could create my own products and have total control over the sales process and all my profit margins.

      Like ANY business you want to start, you've got to do your research. Unfortunately, network marketing (or mlm as some people refer to it) has gotten a lot of bad PR and I have to say rightfully so. I remember an ex-ex-girlfriend of mine dragging me to a Quixtar presentation and I only went along to see what it was about because she was thinking of joining it.

      The stuff I heard coming from the presenter blew my mind (in a bad way). When I began asking straight, common-sense questions about their business model the presenter kept saying "I'll answer your question later". When later came he said I should just give it a try. Then I told him that I was already in network marketing at the time and very successful at it and was just there to support my girlfriend. He was NOT happy that I was there.

      It was like a cultish atmosphere. But despite my many bad experiences with network marketing it doesn't take away from my good ones. I learned a lot about business, I had excellent coaches and mentors who really gave a sh-t about my success and I took those skills over to other businesses. But let's face it, no matter what business you're talking about starting, not everyone is cut out for it. Not everyone is willing to put in the time and effort it takes to build ANY business.

      So to answer the OP's question, is MLM a scam? It really depends on the company, it's mission statement, it's product or service line, and the leadership it has. I've run into plenty of scams, but I've also seen some pretty darn good ones.

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  • Profile picture of the author Hanuka
    WTF is MLM?..
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    ~Good Brother~

    Advertising is 85% confusion and 15% commission.. ROFL! xD

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  • Profile picture of the author Lloyd Lopes
    I did Amway at one point . I was interested more in studying the model than actually doing it - but I can tell you one thing :

    Those in MLM will make it look easy to sell people into it. Truth is , its hard. Selling common everyday products directly to the customer is difficult. Persuading people to buy into a system that is initially shrouded in some complication and mystery is difficult.

    The difficulty's involved result in a lot of failures. Scam is a pretty strong word. I think it is more hyped up than anything else. And dont we all know lots of products and systems everywhere that are overhyped.
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