Can someone answer some newb backlink questions please?

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I have a few amazon sites that I am trying to get income from and I have had a few sales here and there but most of them are stuck on about the 5th page of google for their respective keywords.

The sites themselves look great and have lots of information and non biased reviews.

However, I am currently getting most of my backlinks from article submission, bookmarking, press releases and web 2.0 sites. Most of this is done via SEnuke X 2.0

I am starting to think that I may need some higher PR backlinks to make it to the first page, though.

I have been doing my homework on the subject for the last few days and it seems that most people on here would agree that edu backlinks can be good but a PR7 or something similar is always going to be better. I also understand that it is important that they be do follow backlinks as no follow will not do me any good.

I am also concerned about high PR backlinks disappearing. I have read that some are posted on blogs that are so filled with spam that they will be off the page in a matter of days, thus becoming useless.

I have been doing absolutely everything on these sites myself and am pretty proud of the way they look and how far I have come so far. However, edu or PR5-7 backlinks is something that I really do not have the time to do myself and would not know the best places to do it anyway due to the concerns mentioned above.

This is the first thing I am actually willing to outsource (although I guess you could call SEnuke outsourcing to some degree) But I do not want to get hosed on the deal either.

I looked at the warrior for hire section and was a little overwhelmed by how many offers there were. I also know that these services can be found on fiverr but I dont know who to trust.

Is this just one of those things where you have to throw you money down at several people and see who you get the best results from? I would rather give a fellow warrior the business if possible. Has anyone had good success with buying high PR backlinks from anyone on this board? It doesnt not have to be an individual though. If anyone can suggest a company that offers do follow high PR backlinks that wont disappear, i would be interested in that as well. Just not wuite sure where to start.

Sorry for being extremely long winded here but I hope someone can help me out.
Thanks in advance guys for helping out an aspiring IMer
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  • Profile picture of the author Leo M
    I recommend fiverr if your limited on money, just search for 'edu gov backlinks' sort it by rating and find a gig with a good number of orders and positive feedback

    Edit: oh and make sure they don't have a lot of orders in queue or they may never get to you
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by arkhamindustries View Post

    I am starting to think that I may need some higher PR backlinks to make it to the first page, though.
    Page ranks have very, very little to do with link-juice, these days. You can see this for yourself from the regularity with which lower-PR pages with fewer backlinks outrank higher-PR pages with more backlinks, in Google's SERP's.

    The value of backlinks is about two main things: quality and relevance.

    Originally Posted by arkhamindustries View Post

    it seems that most people on here would agree that edu backlinks can be good but a PR7 or something similar is always going to be better.
    Call me naive, but I'd like to think that "most people on here" are at least a little better informed than that.

    The reality is that .edu backlinks aren't worth anything extra just from being on .edu domains, for all the reasons explained here.

    Originally Posted by arkhamindustries View Post

    I am also concerned about high PR backlinks disappearing.
    That's just one of the many, many reasons why page-ranks are increasingly becoming a futile approach to backlinking. I wish Google would just openly do away with page-ranks altogether, rather than just so consistently making them less and less relevant while perpetuating the myth that they matter in any meaningful ways.

    Originally Posted by arkhamindustries View Post

    I also understand that it is important that they be do follow backlinks as no follow will not do me any good.
    Again, this simply isn't so.

    For me, no-follow backlinks are valuable: I make money from them. When I can leave value-adding comments on relevant blogs, I get targeted traffic from them, without even having to do the targeting myself. And that means opt-ins and sales. The time-consuming part of "blog-commenting", for me, is identifying blogs relevant enough to my niche for their traffic and backlinks to be worth anything to me. Once I've found one, I'm certainly not going to fail to make a relevant, value-adding comment on it, if I can, just because its backlinks are allegedly "nofollow". I have the Firefox one-click toy to differentiate between them (the version 6.01 one seems to have installed itself in my Firefox now: it wasn't available when I first downloaded version 6.0) but I don't even check them - simply not relevant to me. Many search engines seem to ignore "NoDoFollow" anyway. Many people believe that Google doesn't discount "nofollow" as much as it sometimes claims: it's ambiguous at best. There are many threads here explaining/discussing do-follow/no-follow links, if you're open to having a little re-think about them: this one might start you off, and then there's more here, here, here, here, here, and so on.

    Originally Posted by arkhamindustries View Post

    I hope someone can help me out.
    Well, maybe it's possible to help you out by explaining to you that much of what you believe at the moment is actually mistaken.

    That's never easy, though, in reality - and particularly not in a forum full of people promoting services which directly or indirectly rest on widespread misunderstandings being perpetuated and propagated. As such threads continue, vested interests sometimes tend to become vociferous and argumentative interests. :rolleyes:

    So ... I wish you well, but my own feeling is that you're barking up the wrong tree altogether at the moment; sorry.

    Anyway, a careful read through all the threads linked to above may broaden your perceptions a little - I hope so.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fortywats
    All you're assumptions are pretty much spot on. High pr page links are the very best around and if you truly want a good quality link I would be very skeptical about using fiverr. The only way you can guarantee your link sticks is to rent it from a high pr home page network or buy one. (or you could try asking for a link). There are plenty around here or other forums. If you buy .edu links from fiverr or here for that matter they are usually forum or blog comments on .edu.xxx sites and get deleted after a few days anyway. Although after having said that don't underestimate high pr do follow blog comments for a great boost if you can find a reputable seller who does it manually. My advice is take one site with a decent keyword that you think will convert and try a High pr homepage network and see where you are after a month. If your competition isn't that strong you should get on page one with relativly few decent links. Maybe 25 or so. Renting links is expensive but if you clear €100 a month on Amazon and you spend €25 on links you're in a pretty good position. Finally you could try something like BMR. The links don't stick on the homepage but they seem to last long enough to give you a nice serp increase.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fortywats
    @Alexa. There's no doubt that you know way more about this stuff than I do and I've learn't a lot from your posts in the past so I'm not arguing with you. But I think you might be cofusing PR on your own site versus getting a link from a high pr page. I have lots of high pr pages that are outranked by lower pr pages, but this is for numerous reasons. Not specifically targeting that keyword, non original content, on page optimisation etc. However if you were to get a link from my site or the one above me with the lower PR surely the higher pr link would be better. The reason being that google has determined that my page has more authority, hence the higher pr.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Fortywats View Post

      I think you might be cofusing PR on your own site versus getting a link from a high pr page.
      Honestly not.

      Originally Posted by Fortywats View Post

      if you were to get a link from my site or the one above me with the lower PR surely the higher pr link would be better.
      If they're both equally relevant sites to my own site-linked-to, I don't doubt it. However, I do better from a backlink on a PR-0/PR-1 page on a site in the same niche as me (i.e. with some keywords and LSI overlap) than I do from a backlink on some PR-4 page of a random .edu site which has absolutely nothing to do with my own niche at all.

      But you try telling that to some people, and they just won't believe you, nor listen to you, because they already "know" that "PR-4 is better than PR-1" (and they forget the context!) and they imagine that "a .edu backlink is worth more than a .com backlink". And call me a skepchick, but in both cases there are hundreds of backlink sellers who want them to continue to believe exactly that. :rolleyes: :p
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      • Profile picture of the author arkhamindustries
        Wow. Lots of information!
        Thank you guys for your input! What would you advise for me be then? Try to find blogs or forums in the same niche and make comments that are relevent?
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by arkhamindustries View Post

          Try to find blogs or forums in the same niche and make comments that are relevent?
          I think you can't go wrong, trying this. There's no downside.

          In all cases, it's worth the effort to make value-adding comments that will genuinely interest the readers, and on no account look as if you're promoting anything.

          In terms of effort, I've always found that identifying useful sites for this is the time-consuming part. Once you've found one, there's no point in looking at stuff like page-ranks and no/dofollow: make a comment anyway and see if it appears (forums always easier than blogs, of course). Targeted traffic is targeted traffic, and a relevant backlink is a relevant backlink.
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          • Profile picture of the author arkhamindustries
            Pardon a very naive question but how do i tell if a site has do follow or no follow backlinks on forum signatures?
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            • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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              Originally Posted by arkhamindustries View Post

              Pardon a very naive question but how do i tell if a site has do follow or no follow backlinks on forum signatures?
              The easiest way is to use Firefox as your browser. There's an add-on called "NoDoFollow" which will show you, with a simple right-click on any web-page, whether the links on the page are no-follow.

              It's not something I need to know at all, in my business ... and I respectfully suggest that you should ignore it as the meaningless distraction it is. If you find a relevant forum, in your niche, in which you can make comments and get backlinks, it would be frankly incomprehensible to decide not to "just because the backlinks are no-follow". You want traffic as well, don't you? There are many threads here explaining/discussing do-follow/no-follow links, if you're open to having a little re-think about them: this one might start you off, and then there's more here, here, here, here, here, and so on.
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  • Profile picture of the author ajona
    I think recently especially after the newest round of updates, quality and relevant backlinks have been given much more importance. Unless you can find a .edu blog or page in your own niche I'd say you'd be better off just finding a site in whatever niche you're targeting.
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  • Profile picture of the author johnw18
    I also use the Firefox plugin and find it very helpful. It saves a lot of time having to view the source code.
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Skinner
    EDU and Gov backlinks are great, however backlinks on high PR relevant blogs to your site are becoming even better for SEO. The search engines are putting alot of weight on "user experience".

    If your site is about body building and you have a link on a .gov site about PAC reform it will not be as good as a link on a high PR site about "strength training." Also the amount of time people spend on your site plays a big role in pushing you up the rankings. Which is why having a video on the landing page is a good idea.

    Keep working smart, get to the first page and the targeted traffic will come then snowball from there! Good Luck....
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