Newbies Make Money Now!! - Quit Saving Up For A PPC Campaign Or whatever...:)

LOL... yeah, he made it sound too easy... LOL... crazy part tho... He's Right! =}

Like they say, "Keep it simple"... why make it harder than you have to?

Yep, that's all. And as far as tons of traffic, you don't need tons of traffic to make and save up a "little" money.

With respect,

George Wright

I'm a new to this. I have a question? What does the phrase - "Rinse. Repeat" mean?

This is why I love the WF.

You just handed out a solid, simple, easy to follow business model and you did it for free.

Very cool of you...thanks.

Thanks ! it is very motivating for newbie, but you could put up a ebook on the sidebars of the website, relative to your niche, you could make sale regularly, infact I made $6.93 hours before, doing nothing, reaping from what I have done a year before, website itself on subdomain, spent not more $1 for that. if newbie can't afford aweber ($19) intially you could do this, just bring in lot of traffic to the site, just using forum posting, classified and social bookmarking, little hardwork, 1 hour a day.

Agreed - you just need to START.

THEN you can test things by making changes to email copy, what you sell etc.

If you make a change and get a better response, keep it. If not, change it back and try something else.

As you do this you will learn and it will get easier.

Jun can you download things on a computer, the one you post from? If so, you can do this. I think I may put together a report (free) and show you by example.

I love it.

I agree, about what you say, that once you have the basics down you can grow from there, but in the process of getting them down, you can still earn money.

When I started teaching cold calling, and telling people to just drive the numbers, go for the lay downs, dont worry about rebuttals... Why?

Because its the fastest way to get a positive result without a long learning process.

You can be stuck in the learning process forever and go nowhere...eventually you may give up, but "once you have seen a result", you cant stop anymore.

As far as connecting with your audience... You dont do that.

What?

Nope. You dont do that.

Read Paul Myers "The Voice".

You go out on the internet, and be Y-O-U , just like I am right now... Only, your thing might not be marketing, it might be romance novels or something... who knows.

You write articles that are Y-O-U

And then you dont have to connect with your audience anymore, your audience will connect with you.

Just like this thread will get a thousands of views over time and 10% may connect with me.

My sig link isnt pointing to anything of interest on this board, BUT if it were pointed to a free product on list building right now, I would be getting clicks.

Another example:

If I had taken the OP to ezine articles instead of the WF, and refined it into an "article", then a certain percentage of readers would click. I would get opt ins.

All I have to do, and all you have to do is Go be yourself, and the people that connect to Y-O-U will join.

If you knows guitars, go write about them, or join a guitar forum... it works with anything... Rock collecting... Sal has a rock collecting forum... Rock collectors read ezine articles...

Again, we arent talking about massive traffic being needed, we are talking about 10 opt in per day consistently. Most anyone can achieve that. That can be accomplished with a few articles per week.

The OP didnt cover everything...thats what discussion is for.

I think its really as easy as described in the OP.

With respect, as George says.

Great post John. No new trick, or loophole here, this is the fundamentals, and the fundamentals will always work. Of course someone who is completely new will need to research some of your points a bit more, but this is definitely a doable plan.

Either I'm terrible at math (which could be the case) or you are Mike. Isn't that a 20% rate?

George Wright

u made it appear really simple..isnt it??haha...
i am new to IM without any success till now but what i can infer from ur post is we need to take action to get any results...

most people fail to take action on daily basis and so dont get any results and hence quit....

Okay Mike... Repetition is mastery, and I want to see you get this, so here is the example again:

Do you see how many views this thread has? ATM its about 520, within 24 hours, and within the next few it could be a thousand.

Now if I had a link to a free offer...do you think I would have gotten 10 optins in the last twenty four hours from this post?

Now does it make sense?

This post could just have easily been an ezine article, or an article on another authority site, or a blog post, or an article on a web page.... You can place information anywhere you want on the internet where people are interested in your subject matter...and link it to your squeeze page.

I even have my own forum for offliners...and you can do it there. The key is to share good information that empowers the reader and makes them want to "do something".

Now Im not asking you to do anything here, but doesnt this subject excite you? Doesnt it make you want to do something?

So, back to repetition... Im showing you how to do it RIGHT NOW... only its "no contact" because I dont have a relevant link.


Okay lets low ball further and say 5-10%

Isnt that still scalable and worth it?

Lets call it 3% - If you have 1 thousand people on your list, and you mail out a promotion for a $10 commission product once per week...and even 30 of them buy a ten dollar commission product from each of your mailings... You make $1200 per month.

Only a person who hasnt done it would say this isnt ultra realistic.

You guys are going to make me start a new list and develop it on video...but I dont have time right now.

I agree, lets be on the safe side, and look at worse case scenario, which I think is 3% at worse, if you even have half a smidgeon of common sense.

One percent is if you have none, and it still goes to prove that a person without common sense could still make money.

lol.

Most wont, and its not because they dont have common sense. Its because they will talk themselves out of ever trying. Thats the truth.

Ok, everyone jump in here. How would YOU get 10 subscribers a day?

I'll Start.

I'd create a PLR package consisting of 250 350 word articles and run a WSO selling 100 articles for $1. Now I have buyers not freebie seekers, that is buyers with a paypal account willing to shell out money.

Next I'd have a one time offer for the other 150 PLR articles to be deliverd via email 5 a day for 30 days.

Each of my emails, in addition to the PLR articles would have some great information included.

George Wright

"I am willing to bet if the OP was someone who say had less than 100 posts he would be crucified by the same people giving him kudos on this Original Post ! You know exactly what I am talking about ! "

If that is true, it's sad. However it doesn't take away from the fact that John's post is helpful.

"For one thing you stress too much on just getting people to buy products so you make a commission ......instead you should stress finding a need and desire of a particular product that will give some intrinsic value to people on your list."

You just did. Thanks to John for starting a discussion that encourages such wisdom to be shared by others. Nice "DISCUSSION" John.

"And then you fail in your original post to tell where the traffic is going to originate from ?"

Ahh let's see, a humble little thread less than 24 hours old with 615 views and counting. A lot more members than John have gotten some traffic from this thread.

This is one way. Care to share others?

George Wright

You are being skeptical. I bet you would also think I have something up my sleeve when my sig link leads to something totally off this topic.

I believe providing value has been mentioned here several times, in fact , in the example provided the product provides literally 97 time more value than the cost in the example.

I have a question for you, if we expanded out the OP to 5 pages and gave more intricate detail (again thats what discussion is for) about this system.... and charged one dollar for it. Do you think that would provide value to the person who read the basic ideas in the copy, and was interested in the subject...?

The only reasonable answer to that question can be "yes". The information has much more value than $1.00

Yes. I was hoping to see some others contribute thoughts on that point. Thank you...back to progress yes?

I respectfully disagree. In my experience, my conversions are always better when I give away a large, incredibly high quality product rather than a smaller item. If someone is given a product for free that could easily be sold for $97, that person will be curious to see what this person would actually CHARGE for. If you're giving away A+ stuff, and the product has not only delivered but OVER delivered, they will be very happy to part with some money next time you have an equal or better product for sell.

Now it's not always possible to just give away $97 products. A product of that quality takes time to create. So I'm not against giving away smaller products for list building purposes. If you can get a product finished faster so that you can start list building right away, fantastic. But if you have an old high ticket product you created, that you may not be selling much of anymore for whatever reason, give it away in exchange for an opt in and then watch your conversion rates go up next time you sell to that list.

I agree with everything you said! Haha. I'm also a big fan of just regularly giving away high value information to your list. Not in product form but just tips. This is newbie stuff of course, but regularly sending high quality free information will keep you in your subscriber's mind. Especially if they belong to multiple lists where they are regularly getting bombarded with affiliate sales copy, your e-mails will really stand out.

And my Father had a cousin named Brian McBride but he passed away about 8 years ago. Probably not the same person you're thinking of! McBride is a somewhat common Irish name.

Lots of thoughts there... Lots of obvious easy fixes here... but I dont have time atm, so I will have to come back and give you a more detailed outline later tonight... Theres alot of basics that are missing there... Which (before anyone shouts "See, the OP was incomplete I told you"), again, thats what discussion is for.

On another note, I just created anticipation and people will come back to this thread repeatedly to look for updates - For those of you taking notes. While you are here , might as well take note of some nuances...this thread is teaching you how to get a thousand vistors in less than 48 hours - by example.

So, because people will be looking for updates, this thread just became an even MORE excellent opportunity for anyone with a link to a relevant product to get some attention... and help someone with a solution. You wont be a "predator" because as you can see the readers REALLY NEED YOUR SOLUTIONS!

Do I care if 50 people come here selling list building courses?

No.

Lets bust a myth:

If I come out with something a week from now, the market will not have disappeared or have been eaten all up by others...No it will still be there, and new people will still want to know these things, and the people that respond to my own style, will still respond to it... Thats something to understand BTW; when you speak with your own voice, then your market never disappears because they are attracted to "That".

If you are pushing rehash and not speaking with your own voice and NOT telling it your own way... then its dead, no feeling. Thats what the guys telling you to make a mountain of cash with FREE PLR sites arent teaching you. About your "persuasion power"; it needs to be present, and we all have it. Your very expression of frustration in the last post emitted emotion and was moving. Now your sig link needs to do that.

Your "Voice". Thats key, or else you are just another dead lifeless link out there.

Speak your heart in your ad copy, and people will respond to YOU as much as your offer, then no one can eat up your chances.

Here's an example:

This is the truth (Again, re: competition); If people want to hear what "I" have to say... then 100 people could come to this thread pushing the solution product, and people would buy from them because they are interested in the subject - then they would STILL buy mine, because they wanted to hear what I had to say about it in my own voice. Im in no hurry to sell anything, even though we have created a small growing pool here...

Thats how you stand out from the crowd- You cant come up with something new - But alot of people will respond to you who dont respond to others - If you use your voice. You can help people that others cant reach.

Nother topic altogether...we will come back and answer specifically later... this is an exciting thread.

So anyway, before Im here all day...

Good news, your approach needs a few easily notable improvements, so you dont have anywhere to go but UP!!! There is still alot of hope for your offer. Again I will bullet some stuff out later...

First obvious question about sig and page copy?

A: Where is the "Whats in it for me"?
B: Where is the "Strong Call To Action"?

How about "Create Your Own Product and Have it On The Internet Ready To Bring You Sales Within 24 Hours- Read The Awesome Testimonials Inside - The next One Could Be YOU! - Dont Miss Out- ITS FREE! Click Here To get Your Copy While The Offer Lasts!".

Benefits- Not features
Strong Call To Action.

You would probably get signups from that one move alone, just off this thread alone. I would also put benefits and a strong call to action on the sales page, but will cover that in more detail later this eve in a post. Again, gotta get to work and cant hang around this thread all afternoon though its tempting.


See ya later though.

I find Ezinearticles to be a huge waste of time these days. I used to use it exclusively to drive traffic to my adsense sites, and it worked great - and now it barely works at all. I wouldn't spend time and energy on there, if I were you.

I get most of my traffic from social media - I built up a big following on Twitter and a decent following on Facebook - about 670 - and I post links on there, and also join conversations and interact with people, etc., and it drives traffic.

I also get a lot of traffic from forums like this one.

Also - when you post links to your articles...make sure you use a tracking service like goo.gl so you can see where your traffic is coming from.

And finally - make sure that your site is attractive, your offers are intriguing, and your articles are good. You can always ask people here on the WF to help review your site and offer advice!

Traffic.

The interesting thing is this...if you spend time on the internet, you're most likely already doing things every day that could drive traffic to your squeeze page...with just a small modification or two.

Forum posting (with a link to your squeeze page in your sig) and commenting on blogs will drive traffic to your page, and lead to opt-ins.

Will you get 10,000 unique visitors per day from these two methods? Possible, but unlikely...especially if you're just starting out.

But you will get traffic, and once you build at least a small list (say, 100), you can arrange list-swaps with those that have larger lists if you're in a all-fired hurry to build that sucker up.

I know that John's post (and George's replies) may confuse you...especially if you've convinced yourself that the only way to make a consistent living online is through the WSO forum, but guess what?

It really can be that simple. Honestly.

However, it never will be until you take a stab at it.

John and George did, and they've made money. Any criticism of the methods outlined by those two should also include the name of the magical unicorn you think made money for them while using this method, because it's either that, or...it works.

(John! I have GOT to get back to the TMF; I miss you guys!)

I think the key point was to get started on SOMETHING, ANYTHING - which is commendable considering so many people get caught up at that first step, the numbers and examples are totally off though, probably meant to make things look easier and more at reach than they really are. Marketers do this for various purposes actually. A nice touch thrown in is passing the ball back and forth as well, a bit old school, but hey...

The devil is in the details and conversion (from my experience and countless metrics and stats kept by numerous marketing reports, firms, merchants...etc.) are more along the lines of what Zamantra Marketing mentioned.

A 20-30% optin on a squeeze page is doable, by maximizing and tweeking, you could bump that to 50-70% range with laser targeted landing pages IF you send laser targeted traffic to those multiple laser targeted pages.

The offer right after optin definitely works, but again, it's dependant on how targeted the traffic you're sending is. The more targeted the orginal offer traffic is, the higher your offer after optin will convert - untargeted traffic could very easily convert at below 1% - low barrier price ranges will convert higher and could be around the 3-5%.

If you did send laser targeted traffic, you could optimize to get a 20% conversion on your after optin offer - those were the people who were looking to actually buy something to begin with and were lured in through your free offer.

However, those numbers on offers sent through email are a bit off. Maybe someone is converting at those levels, but they're in the rarity.

Example: If you have a list of 1000, you send out a promo - assuming you send out a promo that your list is KNOWN to be interested in, your open rate will be about 20-30% (of those who actually got the message) - you could optimize that by further breaking down your list, but that's a bit advanced for the discussion. So out of the thousand list members, expect about 200-300 open your email, lets say 250 do. From those, you might be able to pull off a 30% click through, lower is also more reasonable. So we're down to 75 interested people. If you could convert 10% of them to pull their wallets out and buy on a $10 commission, you're looking at also about $75 dollars worth of revenue. Do that once a week, you'd make $300 per month on a list of 1000. Build your list faster and with more qualified buyers than you're alienating people on your list or just pissing them off and you could scale up.

List engagement is a science. Speaking in your own voice is essential, but whats more essential is that you actually serve and benefit your list. They're not on your list to buy from you per se, I've never known a person who jumped on someone's list think "yeah I'm on his list! I can't wait to buy from him!" - people do however buy when they're familiar with you, your brand, and you give them a right on the money offer.

I highly recommend doing something and then improving on what you do, but I know when I first got started in the online marketing world, I believed all those high convert numbers and so forth, I'd hate for someoen to go in thinking the same. It just produces stagnation and a lot of pissed off people.

Be realistic in your efforts and let the numbers do the talking. Your numbers are YOURS, listen to them and plan accordingly on ways to optimize and improve your efforts.

@Idris SG

You know alot for a person with 30 posts... Are you that experienced and have not been on the WF before?

We have already agreed that 20% is best case scenario in this thread... and I was referring more to the welcome email which should be about right to me.... One email per week is bad?

I dont even send that personally, but I dont think its bad either...

Anyway, will get back to this later. Im a good friend, dont have to convince anyone... and the advice I give will change a persons life.

You come nameless , nobody even knows who you are so I respectfully decline to accept your criticism, of my ideas. This post probably put 20 people in action, and some of them will see the light of success. Its a seed, and Im glad I posted it and stand by it.

Im not done with this thread yet... however have other things on my mind atm, just wanted to address the negative spin here...

If you know that much, why not share a plan to help some people instead of criticizing others.

Last year I had 100 people like yourself come against me for teaching my style of telemarketing... and this year we have twice the success stories of most of the people who criticized, so again, this year. I stand by my point. and this post will see alot of success for some.

The exact figures you generate may vary, but the plan is solid and only a person looking for something to criticize would find it.

Yes action is key, i agree, and its posts like this that put people in it. You dont see me selling anything here do you?

This is what warriors do, they encourage newbies.

Im sorry if your results have been so pathetic that you cant concieve of actually converting any real numbers!

Perhaps putting more positivity and optimism into your communication could help that.



Cheers.

Jun,

I just signed up and the download worked fine. Going to work on my sales copy now. You inspired me

Di

Troy, I have to disagree with you.

The fact that the plan is simple is what makes it perfect for newbies. My understanding from John's post is that he is making us take action NOW.

Get the first thing right, then do the next thing. We will tweak as we go along. I am not being overwhelmed by all that has to be done.

I have only made one change since I started reading this thread. I changed my signature in the forum, made it more emotional and used my own voice. It's not perfect yet, but it's a work in progress. Just for the record I have had three signups to my free report since I changed my signature. I had none before.

That's a major success for me. It's a 300% improvement in just three days. Imagine what I can achieve if I keep doing that everyday?

Just my humble newbie opinion.

Di

Depend on how you get your traffic. I get opt ins every day and you can barely find my site on the search engines for its terms.

Heres some good advice "An average man can afford to only see things from his own perspective, but a kings perspective must be much broader".

I once built a million dollar modeling site, with ZERO optimization. I put on affiliates and they went out and spread my link all over the place. There are a gazzilion ways to skin a cat.

Now , the reason most of you pessimists cant help anyone succeed and you dont have any success stories is because you give too much info and make it sound like rocket science, and it paralyzes your students because they feel intimidated and they cant assimilate the encyclopedia you threw at them. so they never get ANYWHERE!

An internet marketer, a success trainer does not make.

Hell they could get clicks all day long right here from this forum. Dont be shallow and think your way is the only way it works.

Natural search rankings arent the only way to create traffic.

Im trying to get them started. I would bet Jun already has a handful of optins from this thread alone. that may seem obvious, but it still counts.

Just because you made it by the skin of your teeth across the finish line doesnt matter - You WON thats what matters.

Everyone has to start somewhere. Why dont you try to offer some solutions instead of being a hater.

I hate it when people discourage others for no good reason. Your view is shallow.

Ps. The OP is simplified, as much as your mentality..we have said a million times in this thread that this is what discussion is for...This guy barely has his page up and you already want to intimidate him with knowledge that despite your shallow thinking, he doesnt even NEED ...

Sure I could have said "Optimize your post titles too" but we are walking one step at a time.

Sorry guys, I just get enough of the haters sometimes , theres a point where you just want to tell them to help out or shut up. They are wasting space unless they bring solutions and not just point out flaws.

Jun is BOUND to face more obstacles... and he will do what everyone else does - Walk through them- As long as he sees hope he will get to the other side... But there are people here who cant wait to hear him say in his first week "I didnt make a sale yet", so they can attack.

Truth be known, he probably WILL make a sale, but be prepared, these guys are gonna jump every chance to disprove. Consider the source. If they arent offering teaching and solutions that are more than 2 lines long...then they are wasting your time and they arent here for any noble reason.

Troy, I am sure just like John, that you want to help all newbies and as such we would all appreciate your filling of the blanks, helping to complete the on line puzzle for all.

Troy, I have had more results from this so called 'simplistic methodology' than ever before.

So I respectfully ask you - if you are not planning on contributing anything of value could you just not comment because I am going to take FULL ADVANTAGE of this golden opportunity to learn.

The best part is that this learning is interactive. This is mentoring at its best (which I cannot afford to buy at the moment).

Di.

Look for keywords that are midrange volume...(4000 searches or so) and low comp (less than 100k - 200k competition). Keep your godaddy window open... and when you find a good keyword, buy the "exact match" domain to that keyword... buy four or five domains like that... Optimize your main site for those keyword phrases using your headline, page titles, meta tags and content. To add natural search ranking power you can put more content on your squeeze page and optimize it with keywords, three percent density is good. In other words, use your keywords 3 times in a 100 word paragraph. Only use the exact phrase maybe one time for every hundred words, and make the other two times different mixes of the phrase, not exact match, so google doesnt think you are intentionally stuffing exact match phrases.

Take your four or 5 exact match keyword phrases that you bought domains for, and create four or five little sites full of content, maybe 4 to 6 pages on the subject using the 3 percent density rule.

Place links throughout your text to your main site or squeeze page. Now it has four highly relevant sites linking to it. They are all based on exact phrases... and they are all tightly relevant to each other, that makes your site appear more authoritative.

Lastly...

Go place some links (articles) on ezine or the warrior forum or a few places that have alot of google power... particularly authority sites that are relevant to your niche.

Now if all goes well you have a number one site.

I have been doing this lately and so far Im 3 for 3 on having number one sites.

Now, if you want to easily find good keywords, find some small to medium sized towns, like 100-200k residents to focus your keywords on... Since your product doesnt necessarily have to apply to any specific town it will be relevant to anyone who clicks from whatever town, but the point is you will find more keywords if you put a small town name in front of it.

Now there could be some who come here and tell me Im doing this the hard way, and they could be right, but its they way I have come up with, and people in off topic can tell you that one of my personal sites at least is number one because I showed them the link then I took it down for various reasons... But, even if there is an easier way, thats the one I know.

Your "supporting" pages that you link back to your site can be different variations of the same content so content doesnt have to be alot of work. You should only have to do that once, then just mix it up differently on each site. In fact each site can be designed pretty much the same way...then it doesnt matter which site they land on.

You can avoid all of that by taking a simpler traffic generation method like ccmusicman prescribes.

I could have told you this sooner but why saturate your brain before you have made your first dollar. Its that first dollar that pushes you to do everything else and you could do that right here in the warrior forum, even though the WF isnt even close to your kind of niche... Just imagine what you could do in a forum that WAS...

About parenting. I would do a "forum" as a back up product, because people like to talk alot about parenting in forums, and the content they place in your forum will drive it up the search engines, especially if the board titles are optimized with keywords.

Take it from a guy who has a forum, and didnt optimize it like he should have, i missed the boat there, but now I know their power and if I had to do it over I would have hired someone to optimize mine from the beginning.

Alexis, being new honestly I would go with a different traffic method like offering a free report in a parenting forum, or a one dollar one. Alot of people may not have paypal outside of the MMO niche, so you may want to have a paypal affiliate link handy too...

Also be sure that your subject matter is one that leads to money... there are alot of things to talk about that are great but they dont present any "buying" motivation. make sure you are posting things that at least lead to some sort of buying motivation.

I wouldn't worry too much about SEO now, for a website you can always do that down the road, but for a forum, its better to do it right away...

I have 12000 posts on my forum, its way to big to go through now and reorganize.

One advantage to your niche is that the web designers arent usually marketers so SEO wise you could beat most of them with a little knowledge from the WF, BUT the disadvantage is that alot of other sites talk about parenting which means you competition will have alot of backlinks...

Thats when you want to save your money and hire someone like Matt Laclear here at the WF to hook you up!

I know this advice will be criticized, and I wont fight it because other know more than me about natural search ranking... but it works for me and I learned it all in parts and peices here at WF and just started trying stuff... I have tried different variations, sometimes one exact match domain name is all it takes and you dont have to do all the other stuff.

When you get into trying to rank naturally though... If you dont hit it on one domain name...you are getting into 14 hour work days that dont immediately produce money... I'd keep it simple and focus on other simpler traffic gen methods right now, but thats just me. I think it could be discouraging to try all that at first.

You can sell easier in a forum because people are motivated by the content and the interactions...

For your encouragement, I just recently figured this ranking stuff out, and made alot of money before I knew it, and even though I have some number one sites they dont really make money, because reading a page of content isnt like chatting about a subject in a forum and THEN reading the website. The latter example is more powerful conversion wise.

Hope this helps. It probably isnt the most efficient way, but it has been working for me.

Also smaller towns may not have as many backlinks if you target your keywords for local phrases.

See...did you really want to know all that. Isnt it disorienting ?

Im honestly of the opinion that the value of gaining simultaneously number one results and having a good convincing squeeze page...diminishes with the time it takes to acquire the skills to pull it off. You could make 100k other ways before you figure all that out.

Most of these people are doing it that way, thats why their reports are so discouraging.

Keep it simple. You will do fine. make your first dollar and you will never turn back again. Lets do that first!

LOL...Here come the critics I can feel it. An seo expert Im not... but this has worked well for me. Just alot of work, Im sure its not the most efficient. So far comparatively it doesnt seem worth it in my view.

Sometimes you can rank a site number one simply by optimizing a page, and using an exact match keyword phrase for a domain name without all that web page building and cross linking. You should try that first if you want natural rankings, it may work right off the bat without building any other sites.

Again, I would do like the OP and not worry about this for now, unless you are building a forum, make sure its optimized. You can still make money and get search traffic without it, but its much better if you optimize it because a forum is something that can generate ALOT of google power.

Okay guys, come crucify me now. Im ready!

Sorry if I overwhelmed you Alexis, have been trying to avoid that, because it paralyzes.

Internet marketers dont know that, but trainers do.

PS . Thanks for the awesome contributions Don and Sandy, very inspiring!

PPS. When you find an exact match domain, its even more powerful if you can get all three (Com net and org), that will be easier to do focusing on smalltown local keywords. Again, since your offer works nationally, it doesnt matter what towns you focus on... The single most powerful optimization move you can make, if there is only one, is to get an exact match domain name. Now dont paralyze yourself thinking of these things and kill your motivation.

Allen Says talks about expanding and contracting. While SEO info is good to know, the overload can kill your expansive feeling and make you contract when you think about your dreams. Dont fall into it.

I hope I didnt kill our beautiful thread by bringing this up.

PPPs. "Testing" as the gurus call it , to find profitable markets is easy... Look around, there are mobile marketing threads here approaching 50k views, what does that tell you?

You can go to any forum and find out whats hot, its even easier in other niches because people arent all scheming for it...Here at WF if theres a hot thread 100 people are all over that subject immediately.

Anyway, forums are the best place to find hot markets.

Traffic plan #1:

1. Find niche forums that allow sigs.
2. Join and participate.
3. Place sig file for site.
4. Profit.

Just as simple and easy as the post. Doesn't rely on Google.

Traffic plan #2:

1. Find related niche sites with email lists.
2. Offer up an exchange for promo (you do some work for them, they send you traffic to site)
OR
2. If you have cash, pay for an ad.

Just as simple and easy as the post. Doesn't rely on Google.

Traffic Plan #3:

1. Create helpful videos. (And if possible, make them viral like)
2. Post in video sharing places (youtube, etc.)
3. Find related videos in niche that doesn't have a website in description. Contact them and offer to pay a small amount per month for your ad that leads to webste/video.

Just as simple and easy as the post. Doesn't rely on Google.


Three very simple, easy to do methods to get traffic to your site.

Next time, instead of bitching about how something won't work, or "leaves something out" - be helpful and provide.

Rob

It's a good guide, but "offering something completely amazing" is probably going to be the clincher.

Existing "amazing things" are probably already widespread and to create something amazing from scratch will probably require more than the mind of a newbie.

The niche we choose, if becomes way of our life then we could be gain authority in niche easily, choosing niche based on our interest and our professional could do significant thing in online earnings.

Awesome Jun, you have a decent start! Very encouraging, money is inevitable if you keep going at this rate. Just think last week you didnt know what to do, and this week you have a whole foundation laid and some great mentors to look up to, as both of those mentioned are awesome!

I read Pauls Email every week. He is phenomenal! Thats a good act to follow!

It looks a lot better Jun. It's cool to see the progression. Thanks for sharing

Welcome to being a warrior jun, you have about another year of being up excited at 2:30 am, maybe more. Even after you make money this stuff will drive you with passion to stay up all hours working...as for me, I will be for the rest of the week writing pitches and training recordings for my peeps till the we hours and I love it. See you at 2:30 am

Ps. Jun, got your email Great program, in fact so great that I already have it. If Sandors gives you credit for cookies and re-orders...then that was wise, because he will sell and sell and sell anyone who signs into his list and you will make sales just off his work alone. Plus he is known as a great one!

Cool, Diana,

Since you have made the commitment to come back here and post your progress over the weekend, I'll make the commitment to check out how far you have come. Deal?

Sometimes its easier to keep going in a race when you know somebody is waiting for you at the finish line!

Those of us fortunate enough to be in business for ourselves know that there's a NEW finish line every day. It takes daily action, daily commitment, daily discovery and implementation to get a profitable business up and rolling online or offline.

You've already done the hardest part most side-liners won't do, you've gotten into the game, you are on the path and you are moving.

Here are a couple more ideas: "How Every Service Provider Can Triple Your Business By Leveraging Your Skill to Make 3 Revenue Streams Out of One"
(This can be done by you or anyone who has a business like this based on a service model).

1) Revenue Stream 1:
Diana, I notice you make cool banners and e-covers and blinkies that you produce and sell. Great!

2) Revenue Stream 2:
You could probably quickly increase you business by creating a step by step TUTORIAL for people on how they can create their own banner or ebook cover or blinkie.

Won't that put a drag in your service sales? Maybe, but that will be hugely offset by your product sales.

AND, the value of CREATING A PRODUCT ABOUT HOW TO DO WHAT YOU DO,
is you are freeing your time to go do something else.
Create the instructional report, sell it over and over. No more having to wait to get paid until after you've done the work.

3) REvenue Stream 3:
Third twist is to create a "Make Money" product about how to make $ doing what you do. "How to Make An Extra $__ A Week Making Simple Banners From Home" (not claiming that's a great headline...just to illustrate the point)!

Add in some marketing resources and modest income proof to the DIY course you already created and now you've expanded into a different niche LEVERAGING THE SAME INFORMATION you started with. AND, you can sell that report for more than the report with just the "How to" instructions.

There are tons of resources on the WF for ways to build out this model with free traffic, promotion, etc.

BOTTOM LINE:
In every service area there are At LEAST three markets ( I think there are 10 or more, but for the sake of simplicity and rapid action let's just look at 3):
1) Those that want it "Done for you" (DFY)
This is the market you are reaching now by offering your service.

2) Those that are the "do it yourselfers " (DIY)
If you have the skill to provide the service, you can again STAND ON YOUR EXPERIENCE AND AUTHORITY as a service provider and become a teaching guide for the "do it yourselfers". They will pay you to teach them.

3) Those that want to do it for money (DIFM)
Some % of those that start out making the banners for themselves may get really good at it and decide to generate a little extra cash by doing it as a side business. Many won't know where to start. YOU DO! YOU'RE DOING IT! They can pay you to show them the ropes!

Here's the core of my little "formula":
DIY +DFY + DIFM= More Fully Leveraged Knowledge translated into $

The funny thing is, you will find is that even some % of the people that start out as DIY'ers or think they WANT to do it themselves, will come back to you and give you their business for you to do it for them, because they figure out they don't have the time or the aptitude or patience for it. They realize it probably makes more sense to pay you to do it, anyway.

They will be some of your most loyal and grateful service customers because you were wiling to help them save some cash by teaching them to do it themselves.

You could take this as far as you are willing to, becoming an expert, an authority figure. There are stars in every niche, no matter how obscure.

This formula is alive and kicking here at the WF. This applies to every offline service being sold here, SEO, website building, facebook fanpages, google places, youtube videos, you name it. Its a simple formula, perhaps obvious, perhaps not, but it generates billions everyday.

Hope that helps sparks your creativity to find some more ways to use what you already have, what you are already good at to get more of what you want.

I promise to check back before the weekend is out to see how it's coming!

Keep Going,

CP

Good idea. As for the two cents, that's about what the other part that I didnt quote was worth...but the first part made up for it.

@CP AWESOME!!!!!

Take over the podium!!!

I have work to do today so cant keep up but Good God that was an awesome post! Even gave ME some offline marketing ideas to boot! Please preach it!

This is what is needed to get people on the road. Of course they are going to have trials (Duh?) Not exactly breaking news for anyone to post that... (they are "newbies", not "people without common sense") but the key is that they also have a squeeze page now and something to work with whereas before they were paralyzed by info overload and didnt know what to do!

Action is key, everything else follows that, but first you have to be sure of an action to take. This is the safest bet for making your first money online, and could grow to ALOT.

These guys saying traffic is the trouble, is because they follow that school of thought...Conversion is the answer... trust me the rest will come! If they were converting they wouldnt need a ton of traffic.

Maybe they have been frustrated with traffic because thats what the focus on, and they arent even converting CLICKS let alone sales...maybe it takes months for them because they are messing with seo instead of doing other things in the meantime and growing that part incrementally.

I have made tens of thousands in sales while other people are still playing with the search engines bewildered and I havent tried to optimize anything until lately.

I even know a guy who has invested in 35 seo sites that are number one, and he cant sell them to business owners because he doesnt get it. Copy and sales ability are what sell. You can have the best product in the world, but if you cant sell you are history. Thats what we are teaching here, but first you have to have a product which is what everyone is doing.

"They are going to learn some hard lessons..."

Why? Because you did?

No, because they are taking a shorter, more efficient route. You are the one who had to learn hard lessons because you did it the hard way. Thats MHO only.

Dont project your struggles and failures on people.

At Diana, looking forward to seeing your progress, actually the post I made to Jun about ad copy was what I wanted to share with you, but I got into it all on that post so to say it again would have been repetitive. Should have addressed both of you in it.

Awesome action taking here. Wonder if Jun got a sale yet?

I probably wont be back here today, but good luck everyone!

PS. Over 3,000 views on this thread inside 4 days.

Are you gonna tell me that traffic is difficult when you have a good converting hook?

Too late.

Oh, also..., it hasnt been "hard", its been a BLAST!!

There are some fantastic ideas in this thread, not just from John, but from several others as well. I would like to add a couple of points here.

First, a few people asked about traffic sources. Guys, there are so many ways to get traffic to your websites that you can barely make a move on the internet without bumping into one. Social networks, article syndication, video uploads, paid traffic, search engines, blog comments, bookmarking sites... you name it. Give everything a shot and see what works for you. Of course, that involves some work... but work is how you make money, and if you follow a plan like John's, you'll be making at least some money very close to the beginning of the process.

Second, I'd like to address the issue of offering something AMAZING in exchange for an email address, which was the subject of a few questions. The way I see it, if you're doing your job as a marketer, whatever you are offering your visitors for free is automatically going to be amazing. I'm not suggesting that you should offer them garbage and misrepresent it as gold - you should offer them something of value. The AMAZING-ness lies in effectively explaining why it is valuable and highlighting the fact that it is free. When you do that, your visitors are automatically going to think to themselves, "This is AMAZING!"

Jun, I will take that challenge

Because you and I will come out winners regardless

Di

Now, THAT'S MAKING IT HAPPEN, Diana! You go! I hate to go all "Wizard of Oz" on you, but the cool thing is you are using the EXPERIENCE AND KNOWLEDGE and SAVVY you HAD ALL ALONG.

All you had to do was flip the ACTION switch into overdrive...you'll learn the rest as you go along.

You did more in eight hours than many folks have done after YEARS! And you know what, watching you do it WILL INSPIRE some of those people to FOLLOW YOUR LEAD and cash in on WHAT THEY KNOW, too. Everybody wins! Thanks for showing up and following through. This made my weekend!

Keep Going,

-CP

P.S. You think a few people might see how hard you work, how you do what you say you will do and think, "Hmmm, that's the kind of person I need helping me with MY GRAPHICS?" .....The sound of a thousand clicks!

I'd like to see the remainder of this weekend's list. As a newbie I wrote down your beginning steps knowing it will help guide me (of course not exactly step-by-step, but close enough) good to see you're making your way down the trail certain to get to the other side! -chris

So glad that you like it.