Newbies Make Money Now!! - Quit Saving Up For A PPC Campaign Or whatever...:)

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This is about how Y-O-U can earn money online without waiting till you have 2k saved up... Truly if you really want to you could set this up in ONE AFTERNOON.

I am primarily an offliner marketer, but I DO participate in online marketing as well... and rarely frequent the main discussion forum anymore, however, its nice to have something to offer here and there... Having said that:

Hope no one hates me for this. This will be OLD hat to some, but I like to think I can explain it in a way thats easy to understand, because Im a pretty simple K.I.S.S. Kinda guy for the most part.

Here it goes. And yes I speak from my own experience here as always...

A friend in another thread said something that I wanted to Address but it deserves a thread of its own.

"He said "Im waiting to try and earn money untill I can save up enough to do a ppc campaign".

You dont need that.

Here was my response, but I decided to share it here instead for the benefit of those who never venture into the OT section:

Originally Posted by Jun Balona View Post

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I was saving a fraction of my work pay here to get me some good PC before I actually do make a product (I don't have one for now). But I could work something out just to get it done.
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Take me seriously here for a minute Jun. If you listen this will make you some money.

A: Get an aweber acct. ($1.00)
B: If you dont have a credit card, borrow one from somebody.
C: Get A Homestead/Intuit account. ($9.95 per month)
D: Pick a target market...ie; Dog Grooming, MMO...
E: Put up a squeeze page using one of homesteads template designs. Easy drag and drop interface. Easy to optimize.
F: Using the instructional videos at aweber, integrate the aweber opt in form into your web page.
G: Offer something COMPLETELY AMAZING for Free on Your Webpage, in exchange for signing up to your newsletter.
H: Create an auto response email in your aweber account for people who sign up that sends them the opt in confirmation link.
I: When they cl;ick the opt in confirmation link, have it take them straight to the web page where they can download their amazing free product as promised.
J: Set up an affiliate account with click bank or whoever, to promote a product thats related to your niche which pays say a $10.00 commission.

H: Create an auto response "Welcome Email" That welcomes people to your newsletter and tells them about this other awesome product they might be interested in. Im thinking 2 out of ten will buy.

Now, all of this happens within 5 minutes of a person opting into your squeeze page, so; once you set it up, you could make money within 5 minutes, and it all comes with instructional videos so you cant fail in setting it up.

Now lets REALLY LOW-BALL THIS:


Say you get 10 people per day opting into your list... within 10 days thats 20 sales you made based on our calculations here, which equals $200 profit.

Now you have done your work only ONCE... but it is going to pay you at least 20 dollars per day from here on out, even if you dont add any other emails or ever follow up again...Just leaving your link out there and collecting ten emails per day.

BUT, you arent going to do that.

You are going to keep sending out an email every week with different programs... and 10-20% of your list, different people on different weeks, based on different offers and interest... are always going to be buying a product... So within 30 days you have 300-400 emails, and now you make a consistent Minimum of $800 - $1,200 per month.

There you have it. Do that, and you will make some money.
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  • Profile picture of the author George Wright
    Too easy John,

    You need to complicate things a bit to make it more believable.

    However, everything you said is true.

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    • Profile picture of the author lkpub
      Originally Posted by George Wright View Post

      Too easy John,

      You need to complicate things a bit to make it more believable.

      However, everything you said is true.

      George Wright
      LOL... yeah, he made it sound too easy... LOL... crazy part tho... He's Right! =}

      Like they say, "Keep it simple"... why make it harder than you have to?
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      • Profile picture of the author Alminc
        Traffic is money.

        Money is NOT in the list because you can't have a list if you don't have traffic to your pages.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    George it makes me happy to see you posting on my thread!

    Isnt it sad that even though some simple things are true, you have to make them sound complicated for people to believe! lol
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  • Profile picture of the author sitemarketer
    Maybe I missed it. Where's the traffic coming from?
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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    "Offer something COMPLETELY AMAZING for Free on Your Webpage"

    haha - is that all?

    Well, why not also simply "get tons of traffic to your salespage" while you're at it?
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    • Profile picture of the author George Wright
      Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

      "Offer something COMPLETELY AMAZING for Free on Your Webpage"

      haha - is that all?

      Well, why not also simply "get tons of traffic to your salespage" while you're at it?
      Yep, that's all. And as far as tons of traffic, you don't need tons of traffic to make and save up a "little" money.

      With respect,

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    • Profile picture of the author jamalexa2819
      Originally Posted by Ace Of Shirts View Post

      You forgot to add to the end:

      Then build another site in a different niche.

      Rinse. Repeat.
      I'm a new to this. I have a question? What does the phrase - "Rinse. Repeat" mean?
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      • Profile picture of the author Wkbrdr25
        Originally Posted by jamalexa2819 View Post

        I'm a new to this. I have a question? What does the phrase - "Rinse. Repeat" mean?

        Means do the whole thing over again... So build another site, list, get other targeted traffic etc.. just in another niche
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    The traffic can come from anywhere... As for my friend Jun...he posts alot in the off topic forum. Every post he makes can be a link to his squeeze page by utilizing his signature. He can join 5 different forums and make 5 posts per day in each... and easily generate 10 signups or more per day.

    Or... He could do article marketing on places like ezine articles, and write articles about dog grooming that interest people and link them back to his squeeze page.

    Virtually anywhere that he posts ANYTHING on the internet, he can use his link to send people to his squeeze page.

    Here's the beauty of what Im sharing, and I want to do it in such a way that Jun particularly, and hopefully others will "Get it", we are talking about "10 opt ins per day".

    We arent talking about 100...

    This is ultra realistic... but, most people will sit around and say "but, but, but, what about...".

    Truth is, they could have their whole systen set up in 24 hours, then worry about how they are going to get 10 measly opt ins per day later... Get the first step done, the other part is easy "Why"? Because you are making money while you are working on it.

    Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

    "Offer something COMPLETELY AMAZING for Free on Your Webpage"

    haha - is that all?

    Well, why not also simply "get tons of traffic to your salespage" while you're at it?
    Thats easy.

    For "Some" this very post is "COMPLETELY AMAZING" and itself could have been the free gift, if I would have expanded it out more to say 5 or ten pages.

    Done.

    I could literally take this very post, expand it out another 5 pages, turn it into a free report and offer on a web page and do exactly what Im recommending in this post!

    You know it too!

    But I didnt, this is a free share... for a friend. Not a bad idea though.
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  • Profile picture of the author jimmel196
    Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

    This is about how Y-O-U can earn money online without waiting till you have 2k saved up... Truly if you really want to you could set this up in ONE AFTERNOON.

    I am primarily an offliner marketer, but I DO participate in online marketing as well... and rarely frequent the main discussion forum anymore, however, its nice to have something to offer here and there... Having said that:

    Hope no one hates me for this... This will be OLD hat to some, but I like to think I can explain it in a way thats easy to understand, because I a pretty simple K.I.S.S. Kinda guy for the most part.

    Here it goes. And yes I speak from my own experience here as always...

    A friend in another thread said something that I wanted to Address but it deserves a thread of its own.

    "He said "Im waiting to try and earn money untill I can save up enough to do a ppc campaign".

    You dont need that.

    Here was my response, but I decided to share it here instead for the benefit of those who never venture into the OT section:



    (Response)

    Take me seriously here for a minute Jun. If you listen this will make you some money.

    A: Get an aweber acct. ($1.00)
    B: If you dont have a credit card, borrow one from somebody.
    C: Get A Homestead/Intuit account. ($9.95 per month)
    D: Pick a target market...ie; Dog Grooming, MMO...
    E: Put up a squeeze page using one of homesteads template designs. Easy drag and drop interface. Easy to optimize.
    F: Using the instructional videos at aweber, integrate the aweber opt in form into your web page.
    G: Offer something COMPLETELY AMAZING for Free on Your Webpage, in exchange for signing up to your newsletter.
    H: Create an auto response email in your weber account for people who sign up that sends them the opt in confirmation link.
    I: When they cl;ick the opt in confirmation link, have it take them straight to the web page where they can download their amazing free product as promised.
    J: Set up an affiliate account with click bank or whoever, to promote a product thats related to your niche which pays say a $10.00 commission.

    H: Create an auto response "Welcome Email" That welcomes people to your newsletter and tells them about this other awesome product they might be interested in. Im thinking 2 out of ten will buy.

    Now, all of this happens within 5 minutes of a person opting into your squeeze page, so; once you set it up, you could make money within 5 minutes, and it all comes with instructional videos so you cant fail in setting it up.

    Now lets REALLY LOW-BALL THIS:


    Say you get 10 people per day opting into your list... within 10 days thats 20 sales you made based on our calculations here, which equals $200 profit.

    Now you have done your work only ONCE... but it is going to pay you at least 20 dollars per day from here on out, even if you dont add any other emails or ever follow up again...Just leaving your link out there and collecting ten emails per day.

    BUT, you arent going to do that.

    You are going to keep sending out an email every week with different programs... and 10-20% of your list, different people on different weeks, based on different offers and interest... are always going to be buying a product... So within 30 days you have 300-$400 emails, and now you make a consistent Minimum of $800 - $1,200 per month.

    There you have it. Do that, and you will make some money.
    I think I am going to make this into a challenge for myself. While I am A relative newbie, I have been studying pretty seriously for the past 6 months to try to learn and decide what areas to pursue first. I did take an Amazon coaching coarse that was fairly inexpensive. I did learn quite a bit but have only had a couple of sales. You make it sound really easy. It sounds similar to what Chris Farrell teaches. Thanks for the information. Jimmy
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    @ Jimme

    Me Too. In fact I may just do what I just said, it was a pretty damn good idea. I have never read any Chris Farrel, I learned all of this by accident, like most things. Just stumbled into it.

    The point is

    A: You dont need 100 opt ins per day to start making money, you can make it from day one on 10 optins per day. So a HUUUGE traffic flow isnt necessary as long as you have good copy on your squeeze page.

    B: what is "COMPLETELY AMAZING" is relative to your market. As stated, this very post could be considered "COMPLETELY AMAZING" as a free gift , to the right person.

    Believe me, its as simple as Im telling you, but I may decide to prove it. I just hate getting into my accounts on video...Im not real savvy with blocking things out...and all that... Which should make you happy to know; that even a technical dumbass can do this.
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    • Profile picture of the author Anjine
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      @ Jimme

      Me Too. In fact I may just do what I just said, it was a pretty damn good idea. I have never read any Chris Farrel, I learned all of this by accident, like most things. Just stumbled into it.

      The point is

      A: You dont need 100 opt ins per day to start making money, you can make it from day one on 10 optins per day. So a HUUUGE traffic flow isnt necessary as long as you have good copy on your squeeze page.

      B: what is "COMPLETELY AMAZING" is relative to your market. As stated, this very post could be considered "COMPLETELY AMAZING" as a free gift , to the right person.

      Believe me, its as simple as Im telling you, but I may decide to prove it. I just hate getting into my accounts on video...Im not real savvy with blocking things out...and all that... Which should make you happy to know; that even a technical dumbass can do this.
      This is why I love the WF.

      You just handed out a solid, simple, easy to follow business model and you did it for free.

      Very cool of you...thanks.
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      • Profile picture of the author John Durham
        The Wf has given me alot, and so have my forum members, both have enriched my life... So I am only giving back some of what was freely given to me.

        If you ever read Abraham Maslow's theories... its commonly accepted that following abundunce is usually a desire to "contribute" and I can attest that when I am blessed I want to give, no reason to take more than you need. If you have abundance let it overflow.
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    • Profile picture of the author bighostchennai
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      @ Jimme

      Me Too. In fact I may just do what I just said, it was a pretty damn good idea. I have never read any Chris Farrel, I learned all of this by accident, like most things. Just stumbled into it.

      The point is

      A: You dont need 100 opt ins per day to start making money, you can make it from day one on 10 optins per day. So a HUUUGE traffic flow isnt necessary as long as you have good copy on your squeeze page.

      B: what is "COMPLETELY AMAZING" is relative to your market. As stated, this very post could be considered "COMPLETELY AMAZING" as a free gift , to the right person.

      Believe me, its as simple as Im telling you, but I may decide to prove it. I just hate getting into my accounts on video...Im not real savvy with blocking things out...and all that... Which should make you happy to know; that even a technical dumbass can do this.
      Thanks ! it is very motivating for newbie, but you could put up a ebook on the sidebars of the website, relative to your niche, you could make sale regularly, infact I made $6.93 hours before, doing nothing, reaping from what I have done a year before, website itself on subdomain, spent not more $1 for that. if newbie can't afford aweber ($19) intially you could do this, just bring in lot of traffic to the site, just using forum posting, classified and social bookmarking, little hardwork, 1 hour a day.
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  • Profile picture of the author WebPen
    It's simple.

    It's basically free.

    You can do it quickly.

    It's scaleable.

    ...it's a winner- thanks John!
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  • Profile picture of the author Quirpo
    I guess don't knock it until you try it.
    Too many people do absolutely nothing.......
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  • Profile picture of the author JennSpencerIM
    The perfect simple solution for those who don't know where to start. Hopefully this will be useful to many people who just don't know what to do! I agree that we tend to over complicate it and don't like the simple stuff. But that's exactly what I started off doing (basic simple things) because we had $38 to our name so really had no choice to do anything big with PPC right away. Keep it simple and scalable and repeatable...and just take action!
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  • Profile picture of the author Zack Lim
    Hi John,

    I love the way you explain the big picture view of the business. This is proven to work if the person is willing to commit his time, effort and some money into getting his business started in the right direction.

    Once the website is set up, I personally feel that we should be spending the majority of the time on marketing activities that will drive more traffic back to the website. There are many traffic generation methods and I think the most practical way is to FOCUS on mastering one traffic generation method at a time.

    Just my humble opinion

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  • Profile picture of the author Chri5123
    Awesome post John!

    Yes it is as SIMPLE and HARD as that at the same time...

    I think the key is it ALWAYS comes back to MARKETING...

    You need to have an awesome offer to build the list, you need to write converting copy for the emails etc... it goes on and on!

    Good news is that it can all be learnt if you put in the time!

    Just like cold calling

    Saw your other thread - I used to be the best in the office at cold calling in my 9 to 5 but looks like you would give me a run for my money...

    All the best,

    Chris Jones
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    • Profile picture of the author JettH
      Originally Posted by Chri5123 View Post

      Awesome post John!

      Yes it is as SIMPLE and HARD as that at the same time...

      I think the key is it ALWAYS comes back to MARKETING...

      You need to have an awesome offer to build the list, you need to write converting copy for the emails etc... it goes on and on!
      Agreed - you just need to START.

      THEN you can test things by making changes to email copy, what you sell etc.

      If you make a change and get a better response, keep it. If not, change it back and try something else.

      As you do this you will learn and it will get easier.
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  • Profile picture of the author mysterrio
    Great ideas! It is nice to know that people still care about others. I think many people are so attatched to the must haves that some feel they have to save until they get them - and they risk NOT taking action.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jun Balona
    Been redirected to this thread because, as John said, I mostly hang out in the Off Topic Forum.

    To those who are new to this, believe me guys, John is one of the good guys here in WF. And this thread is one proof of that.

    I'll give this one a go. I personally have no hands on experience in making squeeze pages and list building but I'll do this regardless of the outcome.

    And thanks again sir for this post.

    Jun


    Oh and sir, I was talking about saving for a computer, not PPC (although I was seriously considering that, LOL).
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by Jun Balona View Post

      Been redirected to this thread because, as John said, I mostly hang out in the Off Topic Forum.

      To those who are new to this, believe me guys, John is one of the good guys here in WF. And this thread is one proof of that.

      I'll give this one a go. I personally have no hands on experience in making squeeze pages and list building but I'll do this regardless of the outcome.

      And thanks again sir for this post.

      Jun


      Oh and sir, I was talking about saving for a computer, not PPC (although I was seriously considering that, LOL).
      Jun can you download things on a computer, the one you post from? If so, you can do this. I think I may put together a report (free) and show you by example.
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  • Profile picture of the author J Bold
    John, I always like what you put out. It may not be perfect but it always generates good discussion.

    I think what you have is the bare bones of how many marketers work.

    But, these days, I think it's getting less easy to market to a list. Just having a list does not always equal money.

    I think this could get somebody started.

    But there will be road blocks along the way.

    To seriously ramp this up, you would need to refine your sales funnel. Make more money with the same amount of people on your list.

    Of course, you really did not cover traffic in any extensive detail so we'll leave that out of the equation.

    To maximize profits from each click, from each opt-in, from each buyer, everyone should study the best ways to:

    1. Connect with your list

    2. Keep your list interested

    3. Not alienated your list

    There are many other ways to say it but that's how I'm choosing to say it this time.

    Also, with typical lists you are going to lose responsiveness from each subscriber after a certain amount of time, whether it's a couple months or whatever. A few will stay with you longer, but the number I've always seen thrown around is that a list that's not getting any more new subscribers will often dry up after around just six months.

    So it's a great idea as long as you are replenishing your list daily and finding the ways to get the most responsiveness and sales from your list on a consistent basis.

    Once you have the basics down, you have to work on getting more conversions from your subscribers and making more money or you may get a bit stuck. Onwards and upwards!
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by redicelander View Post

      John, I always like what you put out. It may not be perfect but it always generates good discussion.

      I think what you have is the bare bones of how many marketers work.

      But, these days, I think it's getting less easy to market to a list. Just having a list does not always equal money.

      I think this could get somebody started.

      But there will be road blocks along the way.

      To seriously ramp this up, you would need to refine your sales funnel. Make more money with the same amount of people on your list.

      Of course, you really did not cover traffic in any extensive detail so we'll leave that out of the equation.

      To maximize profits from each click, from each opt-in, from each buyer, everyone should study the best ways to:

      1. Connect with your list

      2. Keep your list interested

      3. Not alienated your list

      There are many other ways to say it but that's how I'm choosing to say it this time.

      Also, with typical lists you are going to lose responsiveness from each subscriber after a certain amount of time, whether it's a couple months or whatever. A few will stay with you longer, but the number I've always seen thrown around is that a list that's not getting any more new subscribers will often dry up after around just six months.

      So it's a great idea as long as you are replenishing your list daily and finding the ways to get the most responsiveness and sales from your list on a consistent basis.

      Once you have the basics down, you have to work on getting more conversions from your subscribers and making more money or you may get a bit stuck. Onwards and upwards!
      I love it.

      I agree, about what you say, that once you have the basics down you can grow from there, but in the process of getting them down, you can still earn money.

      When I started teaching cold calling, and telling people to just drive the numbers, go for the lay downs, dont worry about rebuttals... Why?

      Because its the fastest way to get a positive result without a long learning process.

      You can be stuck in the learning process forever and go nowhere...eventually you may give up, but "once you have seen a result", you cant stop anymore.

      As far as connecting with your audience... You dont do that.

      What?

      Nope. You dont do that.

      Read Paul Myers "The Voice".

      You go out on the internet, and be Y-O-U , just like I am right now... Only, your thing might not be marketing, it might be romance novels or something... who knows.

      You write articles that are Y-O-U

      And then you dont have to connect with your audience anymore, your audience will connect with you.

      Just like this thread will get a thousands of views over time and 10% may connect with me.

      My sig link isnt pointing to anything of interest on this board, BUT if it were pointed to a free product on list building right now, I would be getting clicks.

      Another example:

      If I had taken the OP to ezine articles instead of the WF, and refined it into an "article", then a certain percentage of readers would click. I would get opt ins.

      All I have to do, and all you have to do is Go be yourself, and the people that connect to Y-O-U will join.

      If you knows guitars, go write about them, or join a guitar forum... it works with anything... Rock collecting... Sal has a rock collecting forum... Rock collectors read ezine articles...

      Again, we arent talking about massive traffic being needed, we are talking about 10 opt in per day consistently. Most anyone can achieve that. That can be accomplished with a few articles per week.

      The OP didnt cover everything...thats what discussion is for.

      I think its really as easy as described in the OP.

      With respect, as George says.
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      • Profile picture of the author George Wright
        Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

        I love it.

        When I started teaching cold calling, and telling people to just drive the numbers, go for the lay downs, don't worry about rebuttals... Why?

        Because its the fastest way to get a positive result without a long learning process.

        You can be stuck in the learning process forever and go nowhere...eventually you may give up, but "once you have seen a result", you cant stop anymore.

        As far as connecting with your audience... You dont do that.

        What?

        Nope. You dont do that.

        Read Paul Myers "The Voice".

        You go out on the internet, and be Y-O-U , just like I am right now... Only, your thing might not be marketing, it might be romance novels or something... who knows.

        My sig link isnt pointing to anything of interest on this board, BUT if it were pointed to a free product on list building right now, I would be getting clicks.

        All I have to do, and all you have to do is Go be yourself, and the people that connect to Y-O-U will join.

        Again, we arent talking about massive traffic being needed, we are talking about 10 opt in per day consistently. Most anyone can achieve that. That can be accomplished with a few articles per week.

        The OP didnt cover everything...thats what discussion is for.

        I think its really as easy as described in the OP.

        With respect, as George says.
        Man John, you do bring back the memories.

        Many moons ago I sold World Book and also Graves, pre need that is.

        I know adults who were kids when I sold the parents WB and they thank me for that. I know people who have had to bury a loved one who thank me for helping them with pre need.

        I say all this to say...

        I didn't know beans about selling. In both cases, World Book and Cemetery property the sales training consisted of making me knock on doors and asking to come in until someone said "come in."

        Once in the house I pulled out the flip chart and started reading from it turning the pages and pointing to the pictures reading the info.

        Enough "presentations" and someone would buy.

        At first one in 20 then one in 10 then one in 7 etc.

        One particular page in the cemetery flip chart had a young couple setting next to to each other. My "sales training" instructed me to cover the picture of the man when I read that page and say "What will you do when Bob (if that was the husband's name) is no longer in the picture."

        At first my leads laughed some bought some didn't. Later, after reading that flip chart over and over to many different people, my leads started crying when I covered the picture." The ones who cried always bought.

        I guess they found my voice?

        I've seen heated discussions here when ones suggest "It's a numbers game."

        To me "numbers game" means a lot more than just putting it out there and relying on the law of averages to kick in. (although it does)

        The "numbers game" requires action and as we take action we become better at what we do. Sometimes we don't even realize we are getting better, it just happens and our desired results rise proportionately as we gain skills.

        George Wright
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    • Profile picture of the author J Bold
      Originally Posted by thegabrieljibril View Post

      lol..so i was reading this and did not see what i wanted to see.....the traffic source, but ill give it a c anyways.
      Yeah, definitely missing a step or two but not a bad idea, nonetheless.
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  • Profile picture of the author J Bold
    Sure sure, sure what you say is absolutely true.

    But I think some people also need lessons in just being themselves and letting their audience connect with them.

    I guess your way may be a better way of looking at it.

    If you have to force yourself to "try to connect" with your audience then you aren't going to do a good job of it, I'd say.
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisAlta
    yeah you can definitely start making traffic flow in through your signature in various forums pertaining to your niche. That takes a ton of time and effort and most people want it easy.

    But hey you have to put the time in to make it happen for you at first, but eventually the list will be soo big that you can just start marketing your own products and make even more money.

    You have to start somewhere!

    Great strategy though!

    cheers!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jun Balona
    Ok, so I've just signed up at Aweber and Homestead. I'm just slowly taking some time to read and watch the instructional vids here. Kind of taking me some time to dissolve most of it.

    Ain't no turning back now.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom Ryan
      Great post John. No new trick, or loophole here, this is the fundamentals, and the fundamentals will always work. Of course someone who is completely new will need to research some of your points a bit more, but this is definitely a doable plan.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    George, I can relate to the door to door stuff lol. "Wont it be beautiful when you get a check in the mail one day and your child says 'Mommy whats that', and you smile and say 'Its a love letter from daddy'?"

    Lol. I heard someone say they used that one time and it worked. Use to do pre burial insurance appointment setting for salesman, and my mom bought the world books, still has em"!

    So yeah I got the ole memory lane experience there too on that one!

    People run when you say "Just get into action".

    A: The people who are succeeding are offended that you make it look like it doesnt require alot of genuis (All it requires is development through action, and yes you can make "some" money almost immediately, and yes consistent action is all it takes to develop).

    B: The people who are NOT succeeding believe it takes more than mere action "Or else I would be like the really smart guy, and I cant be in that league for 10 more years, its not possible, I dont know enough...".

    Well I promise you, I knew enough ten years ago, BUT I DIDNT KNOW I KNEW ENOUGH!

    This is me telling you, you dont have to waste ten years. get started now, make some money and as George says

    A: First it will be one out of 20 (but thats more than sitting around with your thumb up your __ waiting to be worthy). That level will have you saying, "Wow, I made $500 this month".

    B: Then it will become one in ten (Hey I think Im getting pretty decent at this)

    C: Then it will become one in Seven "Wow, now I know my numbers I just need to scale out and focus on getting more opt ins...and increase from ten per day to 20 per day...".

    Now you are on the road.

    You DO have to be excited, and you DO have to have good info to offer and encouragement, but guys, thats sales. If you cant do that, which you CAN with development, then you are sunk in ALL business.

    This is the way even an introvert can be a salesman, if you can put your passion down in print, even if you dont like face to face.

    In short:

    Do You see what Im doing right now?

    If you can do this (talk about a subject)... and you were me right now, and you had a link in your sig for a related product (which I dont) ... then TODAY YOU WOULD MAKE A COUPLE HUNDRED DOLLARS OFF SHARING YOUR KNOWLEDGE.

    Again, simple - "You see what Im doing now"?

    Thats what you do. People will opt in.

    Im serious.

    The only thing that has to be learned is that you have to make it interesting, and most of that comes from being really excited about your idea "naturally".

    If I was selling something I wouldnt be so open here... Really trying to help a few people get off the fence and earn their first online dollars.

    Again, who knows, may do a freebie next week, as or "if" the need to prove this (old school proven) concept arises, but in either event thats not the intention here...
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Baker
    Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

    Im thinking 2 out of ten will buy.
    WOW! An 80% buy rate! If you could show us how to accomplish those kind of sales, you'd be the king of WF.

    Seriously, I think you're dreaming when you say 2 out of 10 will buy. On a good day the average is around 1 out of 100, which is 1%. If you can get more than 1% a day to buy from you, then you're doing well.
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    • Profile picture of the author George Wright
      Either I'm terrible at math (which could be the case) or you are Mike. Isn't that a 20% rate?

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      Originally Posted by Zamantra Marketing View Post

      WOW! An 80% buy rate! If you could show us how to accomplish those kind of sales, you'd be the king of WF.

      Seriously, I think you're dreaming when you say 2 out of 10 will buy. On a good day the average is around 1 out of 100, which is 1%. If you can get more than 1% a day to buy from you, then you're doing well.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Baker
        Originally Posted by George Wright View Post

        Either I'm terrible at math (which could be the case) or you are Mike. Isn't that a 20% rate?

        George Wright
        Yeah, my bad!

        20% is still a high percentage of buyers in a day. I wouldn't tell anyone, especially newbies that they have a good chance at getting 20% in a day. I would tell them to aim for 1% and then grow from there.
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        • Profile picture of the author George Wright
          Originally Posted by Zamantra Marketing View Post

          Yeah, my bad!

          20% is still a high percentage of buyers in a day. I wouldn't tell anyone, especially newbies that they have a good chance at getting 20% in a day. I would tell them to aim for 1% and then grow from there.
          Mike,

          Here is an offer I guarantee will get you a 20% plus conversion rate "in one day" as you say.

          Stand on the corner on any busy street in your town. To make it interesting mess yourself up, rub some dirt on your face and spray yourself with skunk oder.

          Now hold up a sign written with misspelled words and poor grammar on a nasty piece of cardboard that says.

          Git yur munny here. $100 bills for $20 each.

          With sign in one hand and a fist full of $100 bills in the other I promise you will get 20% conversion or better.

          Sell a glass of water to a thirsty man in the middle of the desert.

          Sell a baloney and turkey sandwich to a starving vegan.

          Sell me 100 PLR articles for $1.

          Give me a $97 ebook in exchange for my email.

          Then again as John said 3% conversion will be OK too.

          George Wright
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          • Profile picture of the author John Durham
            Not to come off like a fanboy, though Im a fan.. But in keeping with what George is saying...

            If you are offering a six part course on how to make $100,000 per year starting with ZERO, and you are asking only $97 for it, then you have a 1-5% chance for selling me on the first call... maybe, or maybe more...

            But if you are selling me a $97 course on how to make $100,000 starting with ZERo... and you are only charging $1.00 for it...?

            Then Im going to be part of the 20-30% or more that take you up on it.

            All you have to do is make me believe its really worth $97, and I wont be hard to convince since you are only charging a dollar.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Baker
            Originally Posted by George Wright View Post

            Mike,

            Here is an offer I guarantee will get you a 20% plus conversion rate "in one day" as you say.

            Stand on the corner on any busy street in your town. To make it interesting mess yourself up, rub some dirt on your face and spray yourself with skunk oder.

            Now hold up a sign written with misspelled words and poor grammar on a nasty piece of cardboard that says.

            Git yur munny here. $100 bills for $20 each.

            With sign in one hand and a fist full of $100 bills in the other I promise you will get 20% conversion or better.

            Sell a glass of water to a thirsty man in the middle of the desert.

            Sell a baloney and turkey sandwich to a starving vegan.

            Sell me 100 PLR articles for $1.

            Give me a $97 ebook in exchange for my email.

            Then again as John said 3% conversion will be OK too.

            George Wright
            I'm not trying to discredit what John is saying. In fact I know it will work. I'm just saying to be a little more realistic with the conversion rate. You tell a newbie he is going to get a 20% conversion per day and after weeks of trying they make 1% (which is great) will come back disappointed because they're not making the 20% they were told.
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            • Profile picture of the author George Wright
              Originally Posted by Zamantra Marketing View Post

              I'm trying to discredit what John is saying. In fact I know it will work. I'm just saying to be a little more realistic with the conversion rate. You tell a newbie he is going to get a 20% conversion per day and after weeks of trying they make 1% (which is great) will come back disappointed because they're not making the 20% they were told.
              Freudian slip or typo.

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              • Profile picture of the author Mike Baker
                Originally Posted by George Wright View Post

                Freudian slip or typo.

                George Wright
                That was a typo! I meant to say "Not trying to dicredit John"
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  • Profile picture of the author steady
    I find that "completely amazing" offer for free is hard to produce.
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    • Profile picture of the author aniketsrivastava
      u made it appear really simple..isnt it??haha...
      i am new to IM without any success till now but what i can infer from ur post is we need to take action to get any results...

      most people fail to take action on daily basis and so dont get any results and hence quit....
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Tyler
    Yeah yeah cool and everything.. but for the one million question - how do you get 10 subscribers each day? That's the hard part.

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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by Mike Tyler View Post

      Yeah yeah cool and everything.. but for the one million question - how do you get 10 subscribers each day? That's the hard part.

      Mike Tyler.
      Okay Mike... Repetition is mastery, and I want to see you get this, so here is the example again:

      Do you see how many views this thread has? ATM its about 520, within 24 hours, and within the next few it could be a thousand.

      Now if I had a link to a free offer...do you think I would have gotten 10 optins in the last twenty four hours from this post?

      Now does it make sense?

      This post could just have easily been an ezine article, or an article on another authority site, or a blog post, or an article on a web page.... You can place information anywhere you want on the internet where people are interested in your subject matter...and link it to your squeeze page.

      I even have my own forum for offliners...and you can do it there. The key is to share good information that empowers the reader and makes them want to "do something".

      Now Im not asking you to do anything here, but doesnt this subject excite you? Doesnt it make you want to do something?

      So, back to repetition... Im showing you how to do it RIGHT NOW... only its "no contact" because I dont have a relevant link.

      Originally Posted by Zamantra Marketing View Post

      Yeah, my bad!

      20% is still a high percentage of buyers in a day. I wouldn't tell anyone, especially newbies that they have a good chance at getting 20% in a day. I would tell them to aim for 1% and then grow from there.

      Okay lets low ball further and say 5-10%

      Isnt that still scalable and worth it?

      Lets call it 3% - If you have 1 thousand people on your list, and you mail out a promotion for a $10 commission product once per week...and even 30 of them buy a ten dollar commission product from each of your mailings... You make $1200 per month.

      Only a person who hasnt done it would say this isnt ultra realistic.

      You guys are going to make me start a new list and develop it on video...but I dont have time right now.

      I agree, lets be on the safe side, and look at worse case scenario, which I think is 3% at worse, if you even have half a smidgeon of common sense.

      One percent is if you have none, and it still goes to prove that a person without common sense could still make money.

      lol.

      Most wont, and its not because they dont have common sense. Its because they will talk themselves out of ever trying. Thats the truth.
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    • Profile picture of the author George Wright
      Originally Posted by Mike Tyler View Post

      Yeah yeah cool and everything.. but for the one million question - how do you get 10 subscribers each day? That's the hard part.

      Mike Tyler.
      Ok, everyone jump in here. How would YOU get 10 subscribers a day?

      I'll Start.

      I'd create a PLR package consisting of 250 350 word articles and run a WSO selling 100 articles for $1. Now I have buyers not freebie seekers, that is buyers with a paypal account willing to shell out money.

      Next I'd have a one time offer for the other 150 PLR articles to be deliverd via email 5 a day for 30 days.

      Each of my emails, in addition to the PLR articles would have some great information included.

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  • Profile picture of the author TopKat22
    Thank you for the post and the outlined out steps. The steps are simple but easy is in the eyes of the beholder.

    Once a top marketer told people to test things with a free blogger blog and over 75% of the group couldn't set up a blogger blog without additional help.

    I'm glad you did clear up the person's error of thinking they have to do PPC though.

    PPC can be quite a loss of money for someone new who doesn't know what they are doing. Plus, there are lots of good free ways to get targetted traffic with a little effort.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Wow. Nice.

    George is one of the guys who encouraged "me" to put out my first wso and keep doing it. Now I have a list of about 3,000 and it works like I describe above.

    Another Idea:

    You can list it on WSO pro, and make it 100% commission for affiliates and have everyone send your $1.00 report or $3.00 out to their list and send you even more subscribers. I agree that its important to charge something now that you mention it, for the reason you mentioned.
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  • Profile picture of the author cenmegasys
    I just love the information you shared, Thanks anyway.
    Its pretty simple to follow.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joshua Rigley
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    The thing that bothers me about this is there is no mention of the need for having a valid mailing address in the emails you send out. I never see that mentioned in any autoresponder course.

    Unless you want your home address exposed, you'll need to get a P.O. Box as well, which will set you back another $20 or so.

    Other than that, thanks for posting that John. It is oldschool to me, and I don't really think it's the best way of doing listbuilding, but it does work.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by kalvinchen View Post

      too good to be true
      If you think that, then it is.

      Originally Posted by kalvinchen View Post

      why wud someone with this secret just sell it unless he himself is doing it all day :s
      Doing what? Sharing their experience, offering value and seeing hundreds of people get breakthroughs every day from it?

      Why WOULDNT someone do that?
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  • Profile picture of the author discrat
    Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

    This is about how Y-O-U can earn money online without waiting till you have 2k saved up... Truly if you really want to you could set this up in ONE AFTERNOON.

    I am primarily an offliner marketer, but I DO participate in online marketing as well... and rarely frequent the main discussion forum anymore, however, its nice to have something to offer here and there... Having said that:

    Hope no one hates me for this... This will be OLD hat to some, but I like to think I can explain it in a way thats easy to understand, because I a pretty simple K.I.S.S. Kinda guy for the most part.

    Here it goes. And yes I speak from my own experience here as always...

    A friend in another thread said something that I wanted to Address but it deserves a thread of its own.

    "He said "Im waiting to try and earn money untill I can save up enough to do a ppc campaign".

    You dont need that.

    Here was my response, but I decided to share it here instead for the benefit of those who never venture into the OT section:



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    Take me seriously here for a minute Jun. If you listen this will make you some money.

    A: Get an aweber acct. ($1.00)
    B: If you dont have a credit card, borrow one from somebody.
    C: Get A Homestead/Intuit account. ($9.95 per month)
    D: Pick a target market...ie; Dog Grooming, MMO...
    E: Put up a squeeze page using one of homesteads template designs. Easy drag and drop interface. Easy to optimize.
    F: Using the instructional videos at aweber, integrate the aweber opt in form into your web page.
    G: Offer something COMPLETELY AMAZING for Free on Your Webpage, in exchange for signing up to your newsletter.
    H: Create an auto response email in your aweber account for people who sign up that sends them the opt in confirmation link.
    I: When they cl;ick the opt in confirmation link, have it take them straight to the web page where they can download their amazing free product as promised.
    J: Set up an affiliate account with click bank or whoever, to promote a product thats related to your niche which pays say a $10.00 commission.

    H: Create an auto response "Welcome Email" That welcomes people to your newsletter and tells them about this other awesome product they might be interested in. Im thinking 2 out of ten will buy.

    Now, all of this happens within 5 minutes of a person opting into your squeeze page, so; once you set it up, you could make money within 5 minutes, and it all comes with instructional videos so you cant fail in setting it up.

    Now lets REALLY LOW-BALL THIS:


    Say you get 10 people per day opting into your list... within 10 days thats 20 sales you made based on our calculations here, which equals $200 profit.

    Now you have done your work only ONCE... but it is going to pay you at least 20 dollars per day from here on out, even if you dont add any other emails or ever follow up again...Just leaving your link out there and collecting ten emails per day.

    BUT, you arent going to do that.

    You are going to keep sending out an email every week with different programs... and 10-20% of your list, different people on different weeks, based on different offers and interest... are always going to be buying a product... So within 30 days you have 300-400 emails, and now you make a consistent Minimum of $800 - $1,200 per month.

    There you have it. Do that, and you will make some money.

    I am willing to bet if the OP was someone who say had less than 100 posts he would be crucified by the same people giving him kudos on this Original Post ! You know exactly what I am talking about !

    For one thing you stress too much on just getting people to buy products so you make a commission ......instead you should stress finding a need and desire of a particular product that will give some intrinsic value to people on your list.

    And then you fail in your original post to tell where the traffic is going to originate from ?
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    • Profile picture of the author George Wright
      Originally Posted by discrat View Post

      I am willing to bet if the OP was someone who say had less than 100 posts he would be crucified by the same people giving him kudos on this Original Post ! You know exactly what I am talking about !

      For one thing you stress too much on just getting people to buy products so you make a commission ......instead you should stress finding a need and desire of a particular product that will give some intrinsic value to people on your list.

      And then you fail in your original post to tell where the traffic is going to originate from ?
      "I am willing to bet if the OP was someone who say had less than 100 posts he would be crucified by the same people giving him kudos on this Original Post ! You know exactly what I am talking about ! "

      If that is true, it's sad. However it doesn't take away from the fact that John's post is helpful.

      "For one thing you stress too much on just getting people to buy products so you make a commission ......instead you should stress finding a need and desire of a particular product that will give some intrinsic value to people on your list."

      You just did. Thanks to John for starting a discussion that encourages such wisdom to be shared by others. Nice "DISCUSSION" John.

      "And then you fail in your original post to tell where the traffic is going to originate from ?"

      Ahh let's see, a humble little thread less than 24 hours old with 615 views and counting. A lot more members than John have gotten some traffic from this thread.

      This is one way. Care to share others?

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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by discrat View Post

      I am willing to bet if the OP was someone who say had less than 100 posts he would be crucified by the same people giving him kudos on this Original Post ! You know exactly what I am talking about !

      For one thing you stress too much on just getting people to buy products so you make a commission ......instead you should stress finding a need and desire of a particular product that will give some intrinsic value to people on your list.

      And then you fail in your original post to tell where the traffic is going to originate from ?
      You are being skeptical. I bet you would also think I have something up my sleeve when my sig link leads to something totally off this topic.

      I believe providing value has been mentioned here several times, in fact , in the example provided the product provides literally 97 time more value than the cost in the example.

      I have a question for you, if we expanded out the OP to 5 pages and gave more intricate detail (again thats what discussion is for) about this system.... and charged one dollar for it. Do you think that would provide value to the person who read the basic ideas in the copy, and was interested in the subject...?

      The only reasonable answer to that question can be "yes". The information has much more value than $1.00
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  • Profile picture of the author nadal619
    Hey , John
    you are totally right , but the biggest problem is getting traffic to your squeeze page , otherwise what you are saying is totally correct and logical .
    Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by nadal619 View Post

      Hey , John
      you are totally right , but the biggest problem is getting traffic to your squeeze page , otherwise what you are saying is totally correct and logical .
      Thanks
      Yes. I was hoping to see some others contribute thoughts on that point. Thank you...back to progress yes?
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      • Profile picture of the author Chuck Avants
        Is there anything special about Homestead or could you use another web host or even a weebly/blogspot/wordpress site?
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        • Profile picture of the author Damielle
          Basic, but fundamentally sound. You really can't go wrong building a list

          The most important part is just to get started and then the momentum from taking action can take you to the next level

          Good advice
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        • Profile picture of the author AlexisMoore
          Originally Posted by Chuck Avants View Post

          Is there anything special about Homestead or could you use another web host or even a weebly/blogspot/wordpress site?
          I am wondering the same thing...:confused:
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          • Profile picture of the author John Durham
            Originally Posted by AlexisMoore View Post

            I am wondering the same thing...:confused:
            Nice. Another person thinking of taking action... Thats what Im talkin about.

            No, it doesnt have to be homestead, it could be WP or anything that will allow you to build a web page.
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        • Profile picture of the author Jonathan92
          Originally Posted by Chuck Avants View Post

          Is there anything special about Homestead or could you use another web host or even a weebly/blogspot/wordpress site?
          I don't really know about this Homestead, but there are certainly many other viable ways to build a page for this. I do however tend to think your own hosting is preferable.
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        • Profile picture of the author jasonthewebmaster
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          Originally Posted by Chuck Avants View Post

          Is there anything special about Homestead or could you use another web host or even a weebly/blogspot/wordpress site?
          Sure! I don't see why you can't use a free host or free blog.

          Plus, you can even get free auto-responders.

          Great advice for newbies John!

          cheers
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        • Profile picture of the author bobyeager
          Hey John

          Awesome thread.

          I started that same process back in 2006 and have building a nice list across 30 niches since.

          A lot of people get hung up on traffic. Traffic is the easiest thing to get, compared to the way it was 5 years ago.

          You have a Facebook profile, make sure your niche, optin and offer make sense to the people you normally communicate with (they will optin)

          You have a Twitter account?... yes? ... use it. Also, it doesn't take much effort to post a YouTube video each day that's maybe 30 seconds to 1 minute long and deliver that to your current Soc. Networks.

          Be sure the title is appealing and the content makes sense with your optin and product and give a call to action by telling people to click your link in the description.

          When you post on Facebook and Twitter each day, post about your YouTube video, not your opt in page. It will be better received and people will thank you for it.

          From each sale you make from day one, set aside at least 10% to grow your marketing budget. Be sure to factor out your monthly auto responder bill as well.

          Once you have begun to grow your list to 100 - 500... begin to promote valuable offers that have fixed continuity (for services, software something people will use!)

          You'll find that your sales all become recurring revenue.

          Reinvest that revenue into your marketing.

          Using John's method here and the social networks is a great place to start, as long as you DO keep it simple and valuable.

          But, don't forget something. For everyone who says they don't have a list or traffic... your social network followers and friends are also a list and traffic you have at your disposal... treat them good, interact, give them great value and they will return it in many different ways.

          Thanks for going back to basics John... it's refreshing
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        • Profile picture of the author capitalalchemy
          With all due respect, there is a lot more to it than just that.

          1. You need to pick a market that is worth getting into

          2. You need to do lots of market research.

          3. You need to be able to talk about the market and for a good time

          4. You need to identify multiple products that fit into this market

          5. You need to be able to know the people in this group, or else your best offers won't even get clicked on if you cannot talk to them in their terms.

          6. You need to follow the rules of CAN-SPAM and disclosure

          7. You need to buy and choose products wisely or it can hurt your reputation

          8. You need lots of targeted traffic. You can't count on everyone being responsive. Not everyone is going to open your emails no matter how hard you try.

          9. You need to experiment with your sign up offer, opt in copy, and each email you send out. You may find that you need to do a lot of re-writing, or that you are in the wrong market (for you) to begin with.

          10. People are very protective of their email accounts with all of the offers they get. More than ever you have to fight harder to engage people's attention through email.

          Not to a downer, but a lot of the methods still used come from the good old days when internet was still fresh and people were excited about "using the internet in general".

          They were happy to get emails and would pay attention (now they get spammed). They were thirsty to find one of the 10,000 pages that talked about losing weight. Now there are multiple millions.

          To build a list is to build a business, but more than ever now it means to really analyze how you can make a difference and work hard at providing something unique and of value.
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          • Profile picture of the author John Durham
            Originally Posted by capitalalchemy View Post

            With all due respect, there is a lot more to it than just that.

            1. You need to pick a market that is worth getting into

            2. You need to do lots of market research.

            3. You need to be able to talk about the market and for a good time

            4. You need to identify multiple products that fit into this market

            5. You need to be able to know the people in this group, or else your best offers won't even get clicked on if you cannot talk to them in their terms.

            6. You need to follow the rules of CAN-SPAM and disclosure

            7. You need to buy and choose products wisely or it can hurt your reputation

            8. You need lots of targeted traffic. You can't count on everyone being responsive. Not everyone is going to open your emails no matter how hard you try.

            9. You need to experiment with your sign up offer, opt in copy, and each email you send out. You may find that you need to do a lot of re-writing, or that you are in the wrong market (for you) to begin with.

            10. People are very protective of their email accounts with all of the offers they get. More than ever you have to fight harder to engage people's attention through email.

            Not to a downer, but a lot of the methods still used come from the good old days when internet was still fresh and people were excited about "using the internet in general".

            They were happy to get emails and would pay attention (now they get spammed). They were thirsty to find one of the 10,000 pages that talked about losing weight. Now there are multiple millions.

            To build a list is to build a business, but more than ever now it means to really analyze how you can make a difference and work hard at providing something unique and of value.
            Tell all that to Jun
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          • Profile picture of the author Jun Balona
            Originally Posted by capitalalchemy View Post

            With all due respect, there is a lot more to it than just that.

            1. You need to pick a market that is worth getting into

            2. You need to do lots of market research.

            3. You need to be able to talk about the market and for a good time

            4. You need to identify multiple products that fit into this market

            5. You need to be able to know the people in this group, or else your best offers won't even get clicked on if you cannot talk to them in their terms.

            6. You need to follow the rules of CAN-SPAM and disclosure

            7. You need to buy and choose products wisely or it can hurt your reputation

            8. You need lots of targeted traffic. You can't count on everyone being responsive. Not everyone is going to open your emails no matter how hard you try.

            9. You need to experiment with your sign up offer, opt in copy, and each email you send out. You may find that you need to do a lot of re-writing, or that you are in the wrong market (for you) to begin with.

            10. People are very protective of their email accounts with all of the offers they get. More than ever you have to fight harder to engage people's attention through email.

            Not to a downer, but a lot of the methods still used come from the good old days when internet was still fresh and people were excited about "using the internet in general".

            They were happy to get emails and would pay attention (now they get spammed). They were thirsty to find one of the 10,000 pages that talked about losing weight. Now there are multiple millions.

            To build a list is to build a business, but more than ever now it means to really analyze how you can make a difference and work hard at providing something unique and of value.
            Hmm...I assume you didn't read the WHOLE THREAD.

            Why would you make it so complex when the OP made it so simple?

            With all due respect, If the OP "snipped" the traffic part (he outlined it here, but I guess you missed it), have you ever thought on using THIS FORUM to search on how to get traffic aside from this thread?

            It's just common sense. If you can't find it here, search the WF itself.

            We have this saying in my hometown:

            "There are so many ways if you WANT it..
            ...and there's so many alibis if you DON'T."

            I made mistakes along the way. 3 unsubscribe to my list because "I'm just another newbie marketer who have nothing of value to give."

            I took note on what they've said. At least now I have to work hard to be of service to my subs. And I'm not afraid to make mistakes along the way.

            Makes me a better guy because I EXPERIENCED it. Not because I want it to be PERFECT before I do something about it.

            So there. Gonna get me some coffee since I haven't got one last night.
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            • Profile picture of the author Joe Mobley
              Gold here.

              (My bold.)

              Joe Mobley


              Originally Posted by Jun Balona View Post


              ...And I'm not afraid to make mistakes along the way.

              Makes me a better guy because I EXPERIENCED it. Not because I want it to be PERFECT before I do something about it.
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        • Profile picture of the author seanpbh
          D you need to create many web pages/ blog posts on the site and provide information or do you just get their email and tell them about products? Does a person have to sign in to a squeeze page to enter the site?
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve McBride
    Hi John!

    Great post. It's always good to be reminded of the fundamentals. This is pretty much what I do. I build lists in niches that interest me (if it doesn't interest me then I usually end up slacking off). Me personally, I like to create my own products due to the high profits. Because of this I've been shying away from affiliate sales. I figure I get higher conversions on my own products because I don't broadcast affiliate products all of the time. Plus I give out free info to my lists all of the time so they already know what level of quality to expect from me.

    I should probably test out some affiliate sells and seeing if it effects my personal product conversions or unsubscribe rates. I guess it just depends on how you approach affiliate sales. If you just send them a new offer every day without really knowing how good those products are, your list numbers will probably drop fast. However if I only send them offers every once in awhile and make sure they are high quality products that I've used/check out myself... my lists probably won't react badly.

    When it comes to traffic, I've always been a big fan of having OTHERS build your lists for you. It's already been slightly mentioned, but putting a product in an affiliate program with 100% conversion is a great way to build your list. You'll get a lot more exposure and you'll have a list of buyers instead of freebies. A buyers list will almost always convert sales better than a freebie list will.

    If you have an old $97 product, then have affiliates sell it for $17, 100% commission. You can also have a NEW $97 product as a one time offer on the back end. Some people are against OTO's but I've always been a fan. Simply because they work. Why leave money on the table?

    One more thought... I've never tried this myself, but I have heard of people giving away a free product, and instead of opting in you pay by tweet/sharing with facebook. Within your free product you can have affiliate promotions here and there, links to your website/squeeze page, etc. Another thought I had was people can get part 1 of an ebook with the pay by tweet. This will get the word out to an exponential audience. Then at the end of part one is a link to part 2 that they can get for free by opting into your list.

    Like I said, I haven't tried the pay by tweet method yet, but I'm sure there is some sort of plugin/software out there to automate this method. If someone knows of a specific one that works well please feel free to mention it! I'd like to give this method a try soon.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brad Spencer
    Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

    This is about how Y-O-U can earn money online without waiting till you have 2k saved up... Truly if you really want to you could set this up in ONE AFTERNOON.

    I am primarily an offliner marketer, but I DO participate in online marketing as well... and rarely frequent the main discussion forum anymore, however, its nice to have something to offer here and there... Having said that:

    Hope no one hates me for this... This will be OLD hat to some, but I like to think I can explain it in a way thats easy to understand, because I a pretty simple K.I.S.S. Kinda guy for the most part.

    Here it goes. And yes I speak from my own experience here as always...

    A friend in another thread said something that I wanted to Address but it deserves a thread of its own.

    "He said "Im waiting to try and earn money untill I can save up enough to do a ppc campaign".

    You dont need that.

    Here was my response, but I decided to share it here instead for the benefit of those who never venture into the OT section:



    (Response)

    Take me seriously here for a minute Jun. If you listen this will make you some money.

    A: Get an aweber acct. ($1.00)
    B: If you dont have a credit card, borrow one from somebody.
    C: Get A Homestead/Intuit account. ($9.95 per month)
    D: Pick a target market...ie; Dog Grooming, MMO...
    E: Put up a squeeze page using one of homesteads template designs. Easy drag and drop interface. Easy to optimize.
    F: Using the instructional videos at aweber, integrate the aweber opt in form into your web page.
    G: Offer something COMPLETELY AMAZING for Free on Your Webpage, in exchange for signing up to your newsletter.
    H: Create an auto response email in your aweber account for people who sign up that sends them the opt in confirmation link.
    I: When they cl;ick the opt in confirmation link, have it take them straight to the web page where they can download their amazing free product as promised.
    J: Set up an affiliate account with click bank or whoever, to promote a product thats related to your niche which pays say a $10.00 commission.

    H: Create an auto response "Welcome Email" That welcomes people to your newsletter and tells them about this other awesome product they might be interested in. Im thinking 2 out of ten will buy.

    Now, all of this happens within 5 minutes of a person opting into your squeeze page, so; once you set it up, you could make money within 5 minutes, and it all comes with instructional videos so you cant fail in setting it up.

    Now lets REALLY LOW-BALL THIS:


    Say you get 10 people per day opting into your list... within 10 days thats 20 sales you made based on our calculations here, which equals $200 profit.

    Now you have done your work only ONCE... but it is going to pay you at least 20 dollars per day from here on out, even if you dont add any other emails or ever follow up again...Just leaving your link out there and collecting ten emails per day.

    BUT, you arent going to do that.

    You are going to keep sending out an email every week with different programs... and 10-20% of your list, different people on different weeks, based on different offers and interest... are always going to be buying a product... So within 30 days you have 300-400 emails, and now you make a consistent Minimum of $800 - $1,200 per month.

    There you have it. Do that, and you will make some money.
    The Key Lesson Here (and I love you John for sharing this) is...

    Send Interested People To Things They Can Buy That Are Interesting AND THEY WILL BUY...

    I've owned/managed 3 businesses (only 1 is my IM business) and this is the key to every business.

    End of Story...

    Cheers,

    Brad
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    I dont think you are trying to sabotage. I think you are having trouble fathoming my numbers, conversion...

    Call me an optimist... I think that 1% is unthinkable personally, however lets agree and say 5%, still excellent, and still the very easiest way to begin making money online. I give people alot of credit. I like to think when you give away a $97.00 product that has value to them, that more than just 1 out of 100 would oblige your follow up offer in kind, which also brings them value. (Providing they have a paypal acct, and are willing to use it, as was covered above in the $1.00 charge example).

    I recently bought Marlon Sandors Marketing Dash Board From an Email recommendation... One day just because I felt like blessing the list owner, because he brought me alot of value for free, and I got alot of Value from his recommendation as well, now Im a Marlon Sandors Freakazoid, who also delivers alot of value!

    I think more than 1 in 100 people are like that, and would want to join in on the blessings, then 2 out of 100 will buy because the offer is relevant to their interest...at very least, then you would get two people who buy just because they are bored and want to buy something... Heck I do that all the time myself. lol

    You will get three buyers, if you have your own product, just because people want to rip off your work, and for no other reason. lol

    Hopefully somewhere in all of this, the simplicity isnt getting lost for the hopefuls. Just do what the post says and see for yourself... If you dare! Booo hooo haa ha ha!!!


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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Baker
    Who wants 5% freebie seekers?! I'd much prefer to have a 1% buyer list than 100% freebie list.

    Personally I feel you are giving people too much credit. If you offer a $97 product for free, they will take it and then expect more high cost items from you in the future for free. That's why it is always best to give away a small ticket item away for free and then upsell to a higher priced item. Then you can promote to them through your list with an even higher priced item.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve McBride
      Originally Posted by Zamantra Marketing View Post

      Who wants 5% freebie seekers?! I'd much prefer to have a 1% buyer list than 100% freebie list.

      Personally I feel you are giving people too much credit. If you offer a $97 product for free, they will take it and then expect more high cost items from you in the future for free. That's why it is always best to give away a small ticket item away for free and then upsell to a higher priced item. Then you can promote to them through your list with an even higher priced item.
      I respectfully disagree. In my experience, my conversions are always better when I give away a large, incredibly high quality product rather than a smaller item. If someone is given a product for free that could easily be sold for $97, that person will be curious to see what this person would actually CHARGE for. If you're giving away A+ stuff, and the product has not only delivered but OVER delivered, they will be very happy to part with some money next time you have an equal or better product for sell.

      Now it's not always possible to just give away $97 products. A product of that quality takes time to create. So I'm not against giving away smaller products for list building purposes. If you can get a product finished faster so that you can start list building right away, fantastic. But if you have an old high ticket product you created, that you may not be selling much of anymore for whatever reason, give it away in exchange for an opt in and then watch your conversion rates go up next time you sell to that list.
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  • Profile picture of the author J Bold
    Yes McBride I think the law of reciprocity still lives, but you have to be giving away something of massive value that people will love.

    If you can do that, people will really see you for who you are and it can lead to loyal customers who will buy when you present them with something of equal or greater value.

    By the way, any relation to Brian McBride?
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve McBride
      Originally Posted by redicelander View Post

      Yes McBride I think the law of reciprocity still lives, but you have to be giving away something of massive value that people will love.

      If you can do that, people will really see you for who you are and it can lead to loyal customers who will buy when you present them with something of equal or greater value.

      By the way, any relation to Brian McBride?
      I agree with everything you said! Haha. I'm also a big fan of just regularly giving away high value information to your list. Not in product form but just tips. This is newbie stuff of course, but regularly sending high quality free information will keep you in your subscriber's mind. Especially if they belong to multiple lists where they are regularly getting bombarded with affiliate sales copy, your e-mails will really stand out.

      And my Father had a cousin named Brian McBride but he passed away about 8 years ago. Probably not the same person you're thinking of! McBride is a somewhat common Irish name.
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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    In this day and age thinking out of the box rather than following the majority will serve you well
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  • Profile picture of the author DianaHeuser
    John,

    My problem is that I have done exactly what you outlined in the first comment but I am not getting any visitors to my site. I have SEO'd to the best of my ability, site is clean, articles are informative and fun (I think) and I have started publishing to EZA.

    No Traffic and obviously not a single signup to my free report. Everyday I log into Google Analytics and I want to weep. The highest day was 10 visitors and that's when I asked for advice on the layout of my site from the forum.

    What would you suggest is the next step for me? I would be really grateful for any advice.

    Thanks
    Di
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by DianaHeuser View Post

      John,

      My problem is that I have done exactly what you outlined in the first comment but I am not getting any visitors to my site. I have SEO'd to the best of my ability, site is clean, articles are informative and fun (I think) and I have started publishing to EZA.

      No Traffic and obviously not a single signup to my free report. Everyday I log into Google Analytics and I want to weep. The highest day was 10 visitors and that's when I asked for advice on the layout of my site from the forum.

      What would you suggest is the next step for me? I would be really grateful for any advice.

      Thanks
      Di
      Lots of thoughts there... Lots of obvious easy fixes here... but I dont have time atm, so I will have to come back and give you a more detailed outline later tonight... Theres alot of basics that are missing there... Which (before anyone shouts "See, the OP was incomplete I told you"), again, thats what discussion is for.

      On another note, I just created anticipation and people will come back to this thread repeatedly to look for updates - For those of you taking notes. While you are here , might as well take note of some nuances...this thread is teaching you how to get a thousand vistors in less than 48 hours - by example.

      So, because people will be looking for updates, this thread just became an even MORE excellent opportunity for anyone with a link to a relevant product to get some attention... and help someone with a solution. You wont be a "predator" because as you can see the readers REALLY NEED YOUR SOLUTIONS!

      Do I care if 50 people come here selling list building courses?

      No.

      Lets bust a myth:

      If I come out with something a week from now, the market will not have disappeared or have been eaten all up by others...No it will still be there, and new people will still want to know these things, and the people that respond to my own style, will still respond to it... Thats something to understand BTW; when you speak with your own voice, then your market never disappears because they are attracted to "That".

      If you are pushing rehash and not speaking with your own voice and NOT telling it your own way... then its dead, no feeling. Thats what the guys telling you to make a mountain of cash with FREE PLR sites arent teaching you. About your "persuasion power"; it needs to be present, and we all have it. Your very expression of frustration in the last post emitted emotion and was moving. Now your sig link needs to do that.

      Your "Voice". Thats key, or else you are just another dead lifeless link out there.

      Speak your heart in your ad copy, and people will respond to YOU as much as your offer, then no one can eat up your chances.

      Here's an example:

      This is the truth (Again, re: competition); If people want to hear what "I" have to say... then 100 people could come to this thread pushing the solution product, and people would buy from them because they are interested in the subject - then they would STILL buy mine, because they wanted to hear what I had to say about it in my own voice. Im in no hurry to sell anything, even though we have created a small growing pool here...

      Thats how you stand out from the crowd- You cant come up with something new - But alot of people will respond to you who dont respond to others - If you use your voice. You can help people that others cant reach.

      Nother topic altogether...we will come back and answer specifically later... this is an exciting thread.

      So anyway, before Im here all day...

      Good news, your approach needs a few easily notable improvements, so you dont have anywhere to go but UP!!! There is still alot of hope for your offer. Again I will bullet some stuff out later...

      First obvious question about sig and page copy?

      A: Where is the "Whats in it for me"?
      B: Where is the "Strong Call To Action"?

      How about "Create Your Own Product and Have it On The Internet Ready To Bring You Sales Within 24 Hours- Read The Awesome Testimonials Inside - The next One Could Be YOU! - Dont Miss Out- ITS FREE! Click Here To get Your Copy While The Offer Lasts!".

      Benefits- Not features
      Strong Call To Action.

      You would probably get signups from that one move alone, just off this thread alone. I would also put benefits and a strong call to action on the sales page, but will cover that in more detail later this eve in a post. Again, gotta get to work and cant hang around this thread all afternoon though its tempting.


      See ya later though.
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      • Profile picture of the author DianaHeuser
        Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

        Lots of thoughts there... Lots of obvious easy fixes here... but I dont have time atm, so I will have to come back and give you a more detailed outline later tonight... Theres alot of basics that are missing there... Which (before anyone shouts "See, the OP was incomplete I told you"), again, thats what discussion is for.

        See ya later though.
        Thanks John,

        Have subscribed to the thread so that I don't miss it. In the meantime going to work on the benefits and call to action stuff.

        Di

        [Edit] Is the sig better?
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        • Profile picture of the author Chri5123
          Originally Posted by DianaHeuser View Post

          Thanks John,

          Have subscribed to the thread so that I don't miss it. In the meantime going to work on the benefits and call to action stuff.

          Di

          [Edit] Is the sig better?
          Hey Diane,

          Awesome work on the blog - just thought I would chime in...

          Change your blog to permalinks while it is still new it will save you a lot of trouble down the line and also do wonders for SEO.

          Chris
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    • Profile picture of the author Dana_W
      Originally Posted by DianaHeuser View Post

      John,

      My problem is that I have done exactly what you outlined in the first comment but I am not getting any visitors to my site. I have SEO'd to the best of my ability, site is clean, articles are informative and fun (I think) and I have started publishing to EZA.

      No Traffic and obviously not a single signup to my free report. Everyday I log into Google Analytics and I want to weep. The highest day was 10 visitors and that's when I asked for advice on the layout of my site from the forum.

      What would you suggest is the next step for me? I would be really grateful for any advice.

      Thanks
      Di
      I find Ezinearticles to be a huge waste of time these days. I used to use it exclusively to drive traffic to my adsense sites, and it worked great - and now it barely works at all. I wouldn't spend time and energy on there, if I were you.

      I get most of my traffic from social media - I built up a big following on Twitter and a decent following on Facebook - about 670 - and I post links on there, and also join conversations and interact with people, etc., and it drives traffic.

      I also get a lot of traffic from forums like this one.

      Also - when you post links to your articles...make sure you use a tracking service like goo.gl so you can see where your traffic is coming from.

      And finally - make sure that your site is attractive, your offers are intriguing, and your articles are good. You can always ask people here on the WF to help review your site and offer advice!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jun Balona
    Seems like I'm stuck. I can't seem to find the download link to Homestead's website builder. Is it because I'm still in the 30-day trial period?
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    You should be able to download it anyway Jun... lemme see if I can find you a link. Wish I kept all my aff links in a file. I need to get sharper about having those handy... Oh Well. Highly recomend getting the basic site paid version, because your sitebuilder software will be limited until you upgrade...cant use the image library and a few other features till then...But good news; YOU COULD/CAN MAKE MONEY BUILDING A LIST WITH THE FREE VERSION IF YOU REALLY WANT!

    Your web page can be basic, its what it says that matters most!

    But to download site builder:

    1. Go online and open a Web browser (Note: make sure you have disabled any firewall programs like ZoneAlarm or Norton Internet Security).

    2. Go to the following address:
    http://install.intuitwebsites.com/site/InstallFiles/partners/intuit/lpxlive/SiteBuilderSetup....
    If you are using Windows Vista or Windows 7, you have to install the .NET version of SiteBuilder.
    http://install.intuitwebsites.com/site/InstallFiles/partners/intuit/lpxdnlive/SiteBuilderSetup....

    3. From the File Download window, click Save.

    4. Select Desktop as the location to save the hkinstaller.exe file, and click Save.

    5. After the download has completed, locate the hkinstaller.exe file on your Desktop and double-click it to launch the installer.

    6. Click Next to begin installation and follow the instructions to install SiteBuilder.
    • Approximately 8 MBs of files will download to your computer during installation, so it make take several minutes on a dialup connection
    • After the installation is completed you will see a message saying "Click 'Finish' to launch SiteBuilder"

    7. Click the Finish button and SiteBuilder will begin to launch.

    8. After SiteBuilder has launched, enter your Login Name and Password, and click OK.

    9. Under Open Site, select a site from the dropdown menu, and click OK.

    10. Close SiteBuilder.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jun Balona
    Hmm..I guess I have to go outside after my day job. Computers here doesn't permit me to download anything coming from outside sources.

    It's 9:30 am here and I'm using my Android phone right now to post this (I used it all the time). Thanks again for the help.
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    • Profile picture of the author DaveHughes
      Traffic.

      The interesting thing is this...if you spend time on the internet, you're most likely already doing things every day that could drive traffic to your squeeze page...with just a small modification or two.

      Forum posting (with a link to your squeeze page in your sig) and commenting on blogs will drive traffic to your page, and lead to opt-ins.

      Will you get 10,000 unique visitors per day from these two methods? Possible, but unlikely...especially if you're just starting out.

      But you will get traffic, and once you build at least a small list (say, 100), you can arrange list-swaps with those that have larger lists if you're in a all-fired hurry to build that sucker up.

      I know that John's post (and George's replies) may confuse you...especially if you've convinced yourself that the only way to make a consistent living online is through the WSO forum, but guess what?

      It really can be that simple. Honestly.

      However, it never will be until you take a stab at it.

      John and George did, and they've made money. Any criticism of the methods outlined by those two should also include the name of the magical unicorn you think made money for them while using this method, because it's either that, or...it works.

      (John! I have GOT to get back to the TMF; I miss you guys!)
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  • Profile picture of the author gudrunsmith
    Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

    This is about how Y-O-U can earn money online without waiting till you have 2k saved up... Truly if you really want to you could set this up in ONE AFTERNOON.

    I am primarily an offliner marketer, but I DO participate in online marketing as well... and rarely frequent the main discussion forum anymore, however, its nice to have something to offer here and there... Having said that:

    Hope no one hates me for this... This will be OLD hat to some, but I like to think I can explain it in a way thats easy to understand, because I a pretty simple K.I.S.S. Kinda guy for the most part.

    Here it goes. And yes I speak from my own experience here as always...

    A friend in another thread said something that I wanted to Address but it deserves a thread of its own.

    "He said "Im waiting to try and earn money untill I can save up enough to do a ppc campaign".

    You dont need that.

    Here was my response, but I decided to share it here instead for the benefit of those who never venture into the OT section:



    (Response)

    Take me seriously here for a minute Jun. If you listen this will make you some money.

    A: Get an aweber acct. ($1.00)
    B: If you dont have a credit card, borrow one from somebody.
    C: Get A Homestead/Intuit account. ($9.95 per month)
    D: Pick a target market...ie; Dog Grooming, MMO...
    E: Put up a squeeze page using one of homesteads template designs. Easy drag and drop interface. Easy to optimize.
    F: Using the instructional videos at aweber, integrate the aweber opt in form into your web page.
    G: Offer something COMPLETELY AMAZING for Free on Your Webpage, in exchange for signing up to your newsletter.
    H: Create an auto response email in your aweber account for people who sign up that sends them the opt in confirmation link.
    I: When they cl;ick the opt in confirmation link, have it take them straight to the web page where they can download their amazing free product as promised.
    J: Set up an affiliate account with click bank or whoever, to promote a product thats related to your niche which pays say a $10.00 commission.

    H: Create an auto response "Welcome Email" That welcomes people to your newsletter and tells them about this other awesome product they might be interested in. Im thinking 2 out of ten will buy.

    Now, all of this happens within 5 minutes of a person opting into your squeeze page, so; once you set it up, you could make money within 5 minutes, and it all comes with instructional videos so you cant fail in setting it up.

    Now lets REALLY LOW-BALL THIS:


    Say you get 10 people per day opting into your list... within 10 days thats 20 sales you made based on our calculations here, which equals $200 profit.

    Now you have done your work only ONCE... but it is going to pay you at least 20 dollars per day from here on out, even if you dont add any other emails or ever follow up again...Just leaving your link out there and collecting ten emails per day.

    BUT, you arent going to do that.

    You are going to keep sending out an email every week with different programs... and 10-20% of your list, different people on different weeks, based on different offers and interest... are always going to be buying a product... So within 30 days you have 300-400 emails, and now you make a consistent Minimum of $800 - $1,200 per month.

    There you have it. Do that, and you will make some money.
    That is what the big Gurus' are saying and they selling the get fast rich scams, but how many people really make than money?

    They can't because they don't know how to drive traffic to their site, or they use the affiliate site, and that's a no-no. They don't know how to build a landing page to drive traffic to it, and they don't have the skills yet. But, yes! They can buy all that advertising just to find themselves more in debt and losing more money than to make money.

    Yes the people who make that big bucks know how to market and market on the internet. They don't do it alone, and they all have a team behind them.

    You first must learn the skills and than you can make money on the Internet. Let face the trues, and a lot of stuff that worked 5 years ago doesn't work anymore and still they tell the newbies to do it.

    By the way how much do you pay? My whole budget is $54 a month for all my Online Marketing service, sites and so many tools what is been needed to make good money on the Internet
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    • Profile picture of the author adampowers
      I think the key point was to get started on SOMETHING, ANYTHING - which is commendable considering so many people get caught up at that first step, the numbers and examples are totally off though, probably meant to make things look easier and more at reach than they really are. Marketers do this for various purposes actually. A nice touch thrown in is passing the ball back and forth as well, a bit old school, but hey...

      The devil is in the details and conversion (from my experience and countless metrics and stats kept by numerous marketing reports, firms, merchants...etc.) are more along the lines of what Zamantra Marketing mentioned.

      A 20-30% optin on a squeeze page is doable, by maximizing and tweeking, you could bump that to 50-70% range with laser targeted landing pages IF you send laser targeted traffic to those multiple laser targeted pages.

      The offer right after optin definitely works, but again, it's dependant on how targeted the traffic you're sending is. The more targeted the orginal offer traffic is, the higher your offer after optin will convert - untargeted traffic could very easily convert at below 1% - low barrier price ranges will convert higher and could be around the 3-5%.

      If you did send laser targeted traffic, you could optimize to get a 20% conversion on your after optin offer - those were the people who were looking to actually buy something to begin with and were lured in through your free offer.

      However, those numbers on offers sent through email are a bit off. Maybe someone is converting at those levels, but they're in the rarity.

      Example: If you have a list of 1000, you send out a promo - assuming you send out a promo that your list is KNOWN to be interested in, your open rate will be about 20-30% (of those who actually got the message) - you could optimize that by further breaking down your list, but that's a bit advanced for the discussion. So out of the thousand list members, expect about 200-300 open your email, lets say 250 do. From those, you might be able to pull off a 30% click through, lower is also more reasonable. So we're down to 75 interested people. If you could convert 10% of them to pull their wallets out and buy on a $10 commission, you're looking at also about $75 dollars worth of revenue. Do that once a week, you'd make $300 per month on a list of 1000. Build your list faster and with more qualified buyers than you're alienating people on your list or just pissing them off and you could scale up.

      List engagement is a science. Speaking in your own voice is essential, but whats more essential is that you actually serve and benefit your list. They're not on your list to buy from you per se, I've never known a person who jumped on someone's list think "yeah I'm on his list! I can't wait to buy from him!" - people do however buy when they're familiar with you, your brand, and you give them a right on the money offer.

      I highly recommend doing something and then improving on what you do, but I know when I first got started in the online marketing world, I believed all those high convert numbers and so forth, I'd hate for someoen to go in thinking the same. It just produces stagnation and a lot of pissed off people.

      Be realistic in your efforts and let the numbers do the talking. Your numbers are YOURS, listen to them and plan accordingly on ways to optimize and improve your efforts.
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  • Profile picture of the author Big Al
    Cool post and while it IS very simple... I don't think it's easy. A bit like winning a boxing match is as simple as hitting without getting hit (and surviving the 12 rounds).

    Anyway... as for getting 10 subscribers that's as easy as posting on a forum a few times per day to get clicks on your signature links and posting a few blog comments... you just gotta take the hits and last the 12 rounds because you get nothing if you don't finish.
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  • Profile picture of the author IdrisSG
    I'm pretty surprised that someone with your level of post count would recommend these series of steps to a friend.

    For example:

    "Create an auto response "Welcome Email" That welcomes people to your newsletter and tells them about this other awesome product they might be interested in. Im thinking 2 out of ten will buy."

    If you've got a method that gets 20% of your list to buy stuff...

    PLEASE SHARE THAT SECRET! seriously.

    This would be gold. A 20% BUYING rate is jaw dropping. That's what you should be sharing.

    "You are going to keep sending out an email every week with different programs... and 10-20% of your list, different people on different weeks, based on different offers and interest... are always going to be buying a product"


    One email a week?

    That's bad.

    Try once a day at least. The more you email the more you make.

    "Just leaving your link out there and collecting ten emails per day."

    10 subs a day is okay.

    That means for an average squeeze page conversion rate of 10-15% you're looking at 100 unique hits a day.

    Where are you going to get those 100 hits a day?

    That a missing link there.

    There's more errors within the "ULTIMATE PLAN to make money this afternoon" but that's all I can take for now.

    P.S.: I think its a good move to let your friend know that he/she shouldn't wait till he has a pot of gold before making his move online. Take action now, that's a respectable route.








    Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

    This is about how Y-O-U can earn money online without waiting till you have 2k saved up... Truly if you really want to you could set this up in ONE AFTERNOON.

    I am primarily an offliner marketer, but I DO participate in online marketing as well... and rarely frequent the main discussion forum anymore, however, its nice to have something to offer here and there... Having said that:

    Hope no one hates me for this... This will be OLD hat to some, but I like to think I can explain it in a way thats easy to understand, because I a pretty simple K.I.S.S. Kinda guy for the most part.

    Here it goes. And yes I speak from my own experience here as always...

    A friend in another thread said something that I wanted to Address but it deserves a thread of its own.

    "He said "Im waiting to try and earn money untill I can save up enough to do a ppc campaign".

    You dont need that.

    Here was my response, but I decided to share it here instead for the benefit of those who never venture into the OT section:



    (Response)

    Take me seriously here for a minute Jun. If you listen this will make you some money.

    A: Get an aweber acct. ($1.00)
    B: If you dont have a credit card, borrow one from somebody.
    C: Get A Homestead/Intuit account. ($9.95 per month)
    D: Pick a target market...ie; Dog Grooming, MMO...
    E: Put up a squeeze page using one of homesteads template designs. Easy drag and drop interface. Easy to optimize.
    F: Using the instructional videos at aweber, integrate the aweber opt in form into your web page.
    G: Offer something COMPLETELY AMAZING for Free on Your Webpage, in exchange for signing up to your newsletter.
    H: Create an auto response email in your aweber account for people who sign up that sends them the opt in confirmation link.
    I: When they cl;ick the opt in confirmation link, have it take them straight to the web page where they can download their amazing free product as promised.
    J: Set up an affiliate account with click bank or whoever, to promote a product thats related to your niche which pays say a $10.00 commission.

    H: Create an auto response "Welcome Email" That welcomes people to your newsletter and tells them about this other awesome product they might be interested in. Im thinking 2 out of ten will buy.

    Now, all of this happens within 5 minutes of a person opting into your squeeze page, so; once you set it up, you could make money within 5 minutes, and it all comes with instructional videos so you cant fail in setting it up.

    Now lets REALLY LOW-BALL THIS:


    Say you get 10 people per day opting into your list... within 10 days thats 20 sales you made based on our calculations here, which equals $200 profit.

    Now you have done your work only ONCE... but it is going to pay you at least 20 dollars per day from here on out, even if you dont add any other emails or ever follow up again...Just leaving your link out there and collecting ten emails per day.

    BUT, you arent going to do that.

    You are going to keep sending out an email every week with different programs... and 10-20% of your list, different people on different weeks, based on different offers and interest... are always going to be buying a product... So within 30 days you have 300-400 emails, and now you make a consistent Minimum of $800 - $1,200 per month.

    There you have it. Do that, and you will make some money.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      @Idris SG

      You know alot for a person with 30 posts... Are you that experienced and have not been on the WF before?

      We have already agreed that 20% is best case scenario in this thread... and I was referring more to the welcome email which should be about right to me.... One email per week is bad?

      I dont even send that personally, but I dont think its bad either...

      Anyway, will get back to this later. Im a good friend, dont have to convince anyone... and the advice I give will change a persons life.

      You come nameless , nobody even knows who you are so I respectfully decline to accept your criticism, of my ideas. This post probably put 20 people in action, and some of them will see the light of success. Its a seed, and Im glad I posted it and stand by it.

      Im not done with this thread yet... however have other things on my mind atm, just wanted to address the negative spin here...

      If you know that much, why not share a plan to help some people instead of criticizing others.

      Last year I had 100 people like yourself come against me for teaching my style of telemarketing... and this year we have twice the success stories of most of the people who criticized, so again, this year. I stand by my point. and this post will see alot of success for some.

      The exact figures you generate may vary, but the plan is solid and only a person looking for something to criticize would find it.

      Yes action is key, i agree, and its posts like this that put people in it. You dont see me selling anything here do you?

      This is what warriors do, they encourage newbies.

      Im sorry if your results have been so pathetic that you cant concieve of actually converting any real numbers!

      Perhaps putting more positivity and optimism into your communication could help that.



      Cheers.
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  • Profile picture of the author bastion
    Great post John!

    Yes, you really don't need big money to start your IM business. I become from 0 and today I'm full time Internet Marketer. Also, have very decent living from it.

    You don't need money to start. It's better if you don't have any money - you don't have anything to lose.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jun Balona
    Update:

    Just made my first squeeze page (it's in my sig right now).

    I have to use WP for this since I suck on using Homestead as a platform. But regardless I was able to accomplish something.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Hey Jun! AWESOME on taking action. So starting without even having a home computer you were able to create this system in just a few days, with a basic outline?

    Good determination! Now you have a system that is capable of making money...You have the foundation! Good for you!

    Now we just have to work on your copy a little. The system is as it should be. Though the zip is giving me download probs... Thats part of this, you build it then you tweak it. Just like Diane needs to do. (BTW Diane I havent forgotten about you. Going to expound on yours, but in the meantime you may learn from this answer too).

    Jun,

    You already have the first step , you have layed the foundation.

    The next nuance is that you want to SELL HARD in your copy!

    Dont be afraid to do it,. if you dont someone else will and they will get your sales! NEVER LIE, but always sell your best points hard!

    What moves people is the "Whats in it for me" aspect. So you have to hit them hard with a few benefits...and really try to strike the chord in them that makes them feel it".

    For instance

    In court, before a judge, there is a time to "state" your case, and there is another time to "Plead it". If you think the decision is going the wrong way you better bust out and start being passionate and quit merely "stating" you case in court, and start "pleading it". lol.

    Well on a web page, you want to "Plead" your case, not state it, because you only have a second to blow them away!
    ...and you can! With the right powerful statement, you are on equal ground with any other web page out there!

    so what are the benefits? Sell them! hard!

    What is the most amazing thing that could happen to a person who gets your report?


    What about it is the one thing that will blow their mind and change their life more than any other thing?

    what is The NUMBER ONE BENEFIT they will receive when they learn to create their own info products?


    Are they going to get rich?

    Are they going to impress their friends?

    Are they going to get paid for writing about the things that make them passionate?

    Whatever your NUMBER ONE benefit is, put that as your headline. Thats a basic truth that is easy to assimilate, but I will add "Say it with Passion"!

    Whatever you say say it with passion. For instance

    Instead of: "People will be knocking on your door to buy your info products" could be...

    "People will literally BLOW YOUR DOORS DOWN to give you money"

    Order My Free Report and Find out why!


    Or you could say : Discover the Secret Of Making Your Own Info Products like the Marketing Gurus and watch your paypal account Explode With Sales"!

    "Yes Its free! No strings Attached!"


    "Seriously!
    "

    (A little blind and BLINDING headline that makes them want to find out more and doesnt give it all away in the title).

    People like to gain pleasure and avoid pain. You ALREADY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE THINKING so use it.

    Example:

    Are you tired of buying if product after info product and the only one getting rich is the guy selling it?

    Are you starting to figure out that you could make alot easier money just creating your own info product, but you dont know where to start?


    When you order this report I am going to teach you how you can create your own info product virtually regardless of your experience level, whether you are a newby or an old pro... and be able to have a money making system online for yourself within DAYS!

    Enter your email below and get my report "Making Info Products" For F-R-E-E before I create too many students and have to close it down!

    Would you like to:


    A: Throw away your alarm clock?

    B: Work Whenever you feel creative only?
    C: Make money writing about your hobbies and the things you love!

    Well you can, its as easy as 123 and Im living proof!


    Dont let anyone lie to you Jun, the people who are selling are selling their asses off. Dont be afraid to do it. In print it isnt as hard as face to face to sell your ass off!

    It just takes one good creative session to creating some exciting copy, then you never have to make that pitch again.

    People here are talking about traffic, which we we get to , but key #1 is having an exciting presentation that moves people!

    You can look at some other people squeeze pages for ideas, or think this out and make up your own words, you dont have to use as many as I am here it can be less, but they have "Hit the Hot Button"!

    Will be back later... So happy to see you taking action! You are now on your way!

    Not to sound condescending but... Im proud of you man.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Ps. This may sound a LITTLE HOCUS POCUS but in the war room there is a report called "Money and Power" an interview with Allen Says, the owner of this forum, where he talks about just focusing, and suddenly your inward being will bring up a phrase that just about knocks you over.

    You will think of all kinds of lines and feel like "That might work" or "Thats pretty good", but if you dont rush and you just sit down and ask the question "What will make people click"...at some point if you focus and dont jump at the first phrase, something will come up and BLOW YOU AWAY and you will know thats the line!

    Wait for the line that totally expands you heart and makes you jump off the couch and say "eureka".

    I sometimes use average lines, but I always can predict that they will be average. When I really listen I get the killer ones.

    Acouple of weeks ago I did what Allen said to do, and asked "what will make people open my email", eventually after an hour or two the line came "TMF is shutting down" , and I knew EVERYONE on my list would open it, then when you clicked in it said "The VIP Room That is". lol

    Still cant get over that. It was a good one.

    pps. This thread title for instance is average, and I didnt do that exercise on it. I knew it would draw some attention because its a DECENT thread title, but not "the one", not like MIND blowing...I have threads with 34,000 views, so there is a big difference between one simple hook and another...Listen for the hook that makes your being say "This is mind blowing".

    Its all in the hook Jun, and it doesnt take a rocket scientist to come up with one, even though people sell entire courses on it. Just listen, until you "know its the one".
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  • Profile picture of the author Rob Howard
    I see a lot of people questioning John's conversion rate.

    Let me tell you - from my list, I usually get a 30% to 50% conversion rate from the traffic it sends. (Higher dollar products get 25 to 30, lower dollar get 50%)

    Why?

    Because they people know, like and trust me. They know I deliver the goods when it comes to products. They know I honor my guarantee's.

    This happens with list building, if you do it right.

    So yes - you can achieve a 20% conversion rate. Or more.

    Rob
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  • Profile picture of the author Jun Balona
    I tested just now opting in on my phone using my other email account. Somehow I don't have any problems downloading the report. But I'll take your word sir regarding that.

    Btw, see this smiley?

    I've been like that after that compliment you gave me.
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  • Profile picture of the author troy23
    Here's the challenge - set it up as he said
    Use dog grooming or MMO as the niche
    Send your articles to ezine articles
    And tell us after a week or two how many opt ins you actually got and how many sales were made.
    I gurantee none on both scores.

    Unfortunately the OP left out two vital ingredients. Keyword research (which throws most people and makes them give up) and a decent traffic plan. Submitting a few articles to Ezine Articles is just not going to cut it.

    The plan is too simplified to be of any use to newbies.
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    • Profile picture of the author DianaHeuser
      Originally Posted by troy23 View Post

      The plan is too simplified to be of any use to newbies.
      Troy, I have to disagree with you.

      The fact that the plan is simple is what makes it perfect for newbies. My understanding from John's post is that he is making us take action NOW.

      Get the first thing right, then do the next thing. We will tweak as we go along. I am not being overwhelmed by all that has to be done.

      I have only made one change since I started reading this thread. I changed my signature in the forum, made it more emotional and used my own voice. It's not perfect yet, but it's a work in progress. Just for the record I have had three signups to my free report since I changed my signature. I had none before.

      That's a major success for me. It's a 300% improvement in just three days. Imagine what I can achieve if I keep doing that everyday?

      Just my humble newbie opinion.

      Di
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by troy23 View Post

      Here's the challenge - set it up as he said
      Use dog grooming or MMO as the niche
      Send your articles to ezine articles
      And tell us after a week or two how many opt ins you actually got and how many sales were made.
      I gurantee none on both scores.

      Unfortunately the OP left out two vital ingredients. Keyword research (which throws most people and makes them give up) and a decent traffic plan. Submitting a few articles to Ezine Articles is just not going to cut it.

      The plan is too simplified to be of any use to newbies.
      Depend on how you get your traffic. I get opt ins every day and you can barely find my site on the search engines for its terms.

      Heres some good advice "An average man can afford to only see things from his own perspective, but a kings perspective must be much broader".

      I once built a million dollar modeling site, with ZERO optimization. I put on affiliates and they went out and spread my link all over the place. There are a gazzilion ways to skin a cat.

      Now , the reason most of you pessimists cant help anyone succeed and you dont have any success stories is because you give too much info and make it sound like rocket science, and it paralyzes your students because they feel intimidated and they cant assimilate the encyclopedia you threw at them. so they never get ANYWHERE!

      An internet marketer, a success trainer does not make.

      Hell they could get clicks all day long right here from this forum. Dont be shallow and think your way is the only way it works.

      Natural search rankings arent the only way to create traffic.

      Im trying to get them started. I would bet Jun already has a handful of optins from this thread alone. that may seem obvious, but it still counts.

      Just because you made it by the skin of your teeth across the finish line doesnt matter - You WON thats what matters.

      Everyone has to start somewhere. Why dont you try to offer some solutions instead of being a hater.

      I hate it when people discourage others for no good reason. Your view is shallow.

      Ps. The OP is simplified, as much as your mentality..we have said a million times in this thread that this is what discussion is for...This guy barely has his page up and you already want to intimidate him with knowledge that despite your shallow thinking, he doesnt even NEED ...

      Sure I could have said "Optimize your post titles too" but we are walking one step at a time.

      Sorry guys, I just get enough of the haters sometimes , theres a point where you just want to tell them to help out or shut up. They are wasting space unless they bring solutions and not just point out flaws.

      Jun is BOUND to face more obstacles... and he will do what everyone else does - Walk through them- As long as he sees hope he will get to the other side... But there are people here who cant wait to hear him say in his first week "I didnt make a sale yet", so they can attack.

      Truth be known, he probably WILL make a sale, but be prepared, these guys are gonna jump every chance to disprove. Consider the source. If they arent offering teaching and solutions that are more than 2 lines long...then they are wasting your time and they arent here for any noble reason.
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  • Profile picture of the author troy23
    Hi Diane

    I'm glad you are taking action.

    However, the most important thing has been left out of the post. Without it you are wasting your time carrying on.
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    • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
      Originally Posted by troy23 View Post

      Hi Diane

      I'm glad you are taking action.

      However, the most important thing has been left out of the post. Without it you are wasting your time carrying on.
      Troy, I am sure just like John, that you want to help all newbies and as such we would all appreciate your filling of the blanks, helping to complete the on line puzzle for all.
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    • Profile picture of the author DianaHeuser
      Originally Posted by troy23 View Post

      Hi Diane
      I'm glad you are taking action.
      However, the most important thing has been left out of the post. Without it you are wasting your time carrying on.
      Troy, I have had more results from this so called 'simplistic methodology' than ever before.

      So I respectfully ask you - if you are not planning on contributing anything of value could you just not comment because I am going to take FULL ADVANTAGE of this golden opportunity to learn.

      The best part is that this learning is interactive. This is mentoring at its best (which I cannot afford to buy at the moment).

      Di.
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  • Profile picture of the author AlexisMoore
    I am interested in learning how everyone does their niche research and keyword research. I have used the Google keyword research tool before, and my impression is that you are looking for something that has plenty of monthly searches while still having low competition. In addition to that, long tail keywords will most likely get you better results due to the fact that they have lower competition, right? Where I run into trouble is choosing a niche to get started. Is there some sort of tool that I should know about that will help me to determine the more profitable markets to get into? I am used to writing articles on the keywords that have already been given to me by the client. However, I would like to know some effective techniques for deciding on keywords and niches.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by AlexisMoore View Post

      I am interested in learning how everyone does their niche research and keyword research. I have used the Google keyword research tool before, and my impression is that you are looking for something that has plenty of monthly searches while still having low competition. In addition to that, long tail keywords will most likely get you better results due to the fact that they have lower competition, right? Where I run into trouble is choosing a niche to get started. Is there some sort of tool that I should know about that will help me to determine the more profitable markets to get into? I am used to writing articles on the keywords that have already been given to me by the client. However, I would like to know some effective techniques for deciding on keywords and niches.
      Look for keywords that are midrange volume...(4000 searches or so) and low comp (less than 100k - 200k competition). Keep your godaddy window open... and when you find a good keyword, buy the "exact match" domain to that keyword... buy four or five domains like that... Optimize your main site for those keyword phrases using your headline, page titles, meta tags and content. To add natural search ranking power you can put more content on your squeeze page and optimize it with keywords, three percent density is good. In other words, use your keywords 3 times in a 100 word paragraph. Only use the exact phrase maybe one time for every hundred words, and make the other two times different mixes of the phrase, not exact match, so google doesnt think you are intentionally stuffing exact match phrases.

      Take your four or 5 exact match keyword phrases that you bought domains for, and create four or five little sites full of content, maybe 4 to 6 pages on the subject using the 3 percent density rule.

      Place links throughout your text to your main site or squeeze page. Now it has four highly relevant sites linking to it. They are all based on exact phrases... and they are all tightly relevant to each other, that makes your site appear more authoritative.

      Lastly...

      Go place some links (articles) on ezine or the warrior forum or a few places that have alot of google power... particularly authority sites that are relevant to your niche.

      Now if all goes well you have a number one site.

      I have been doing this lately and so far Im 3 for 3 on having number one sites.

      Now, if you want to easily find good keywords, find some small to medium sized towns, like 100-200k residents to focus your keywords on... Since your product doesnt necessarily have to apply to any specific town it will be relevant to anyone who clicks from whatever town, but the point is you will find more keywords if you put a small town name in front of it.

      Now there could be some who come here and tell me Im doing this the hard way, and they could be right, but its they way I have come up with, and people in off topic can tell you that one of my personal sites at least is number one because I showed them the link then I took it down for various reasons... But, even if there is an easier way, thats the one I know.

      Your "supporting" pages that you link back to your site can be different variations of the same content so content doesnt have to be alot of work. You should only have to do that once, then just mix it up differently on each site. In fact each site can be designed pretty much the same way...then it doesnt matter which site they land on.

      You can avoid all of that by taking a simpler traffic generation method like ccmusicman prescribes.


      I could have told you this sooner but why saturate your brain before you have made your first dollar. Its that first dollar that pushes you to do everything else and you could do that right here in the warrior forum, even though the WF isnt even close to your kind of niche... Just imagine what you could do in a forum that WAS...

      About parenting. I would do a "forum" as a back up product, because people like to talk alot about parenting in forums, and the content they place in your forum will drive it up the search engines, especially if the board titles are optimized with keywords.

      Take it from a guy who has a forum, and didnt optimize it like he should have, i missed the boat there, but now I know their power and if I had to do it over I would have hired someone to optimize mine from the beginning.

      Alexis, being new honestly I would go with a different traffic method like offering a free report in a parenting forum, or a one dollar one. Alot of people may not have paypal outside of the MMO niche, so you may want to have a paypal affiliate link handy too...

      Also be sure that your subject matter is one that leads to money... there are alot of things to talk about that are great but they dont present any "buying" motivation. make sure you are posting things that at least lead to some sort of buying motivation.

      I wouldn't worry too much about SEO now, for a website you can always do that down the road, but for a forum, its better to do it right away...

      I have 12000 posts on my forum, its way to big to go through now and reorganize.

      One advantage to your niche is that the web designers arent usually marketers so SEO wise you could beat most of them with a little knowledge from the WF, BUT the disadvantage is that alot of other sites talk about parenting which means you competition will have alot of backlinks...

      Thats when you want to save your money and hire someone like Matt Laclear here at the WF to hook you up!

      I know this advice will be criticized, and I wont fight it because other know more than me about natural search ranking... but it works for me and I learned it all in parts and peices here at WF and just started trying stuff... I have tried different variations, sometimes one exact match domain name is all it takes and you dont have to do all the other stuff.

      When you get into trying to rank naturally though... If you dont hit it on one domain name...you are getting into 14 hour work days that dont immediately produce money... I'd keep it simple and focus on other simpler traffic gen methods right now, but thats just me. I think it could be discouraging to try all that at first.

      You can sell easier in a forum because people are motivated by the content and the interactions...

      For your encouragement, I just recently figured this ranking stuff out, and made alot of money before I knew it, and even though I have some number one sites they dont really make money, because reading a page of content isnt like chatting about a subject in a forum and THEN reading the website. The latter example is more powerful conversion wise.

      Hope this helps. It probably isnt the most efficient way, but it has been working for me.

      Also smaller towns may not have as many backlinks if you target your keywords for local phrases.

      See...did you really want to know all that. Isnt it disorienting ?

      Im honestly of the opinion that the value of gaining simultaneously number one results and having a good convincing squeeze page...diminishes with the time it takes to acquire the skills to pull it off. You could make 100k other ways before you figure all that out.

      Most of these people are doing it that way, thats why their reports are so discouraging.

      Keep it simple. You will do fine. make your first dollar and you will never turn back again. Lets do that first!

      LOL...Here come the critics I can feel it. An seo expert Im not... but this has worked well for me. Just alot of work, Im sure its not the most efficient. So far comparatively it doesnt seem worth it in my view.

      Sometimes you can rank a site number one simply by optimizing a page, and using an exact match keyword phrase for a domain name without all that web page building and cross linking. You should try that first if you want natural rankings, it may work right off the bat without building any other sites.

      Again, I would do like the OP and not worry about this for now, unless you are building a forum, make sure its optimized. You can still make money and get search traffic without it, but its much better if you optimize it because a forum is something that can generate ALOT of google power.

      Okay guys, come crucify me now. Im ready!

      Sorry if I overwhelmed you Alexis, have been trying to avoid that, because it paralyzes.

      Internet marketers dont know that, but trainers do.


      PS . Thanks for the awesome contributions Don and Sandy, very inspiring!

      PPS. When you find an exact match domain, its even more powerful if you can get all three (Com net and org), that will be easier to do focusing on smalltown local keywords. Again, since your offer works nationally, it doesnt matter what towns you focus on... The single most powerful optimization move you can make, if there is only one, is to get an exact match domain name. Now dont paralyze yourself thinking of these things and kill your motivation.

      Allen Says talks about expanding and contracting. While SEO info is good to know, the overload can kill your expansive feeling and make you contract when you think about your dreams. Dont fall into it.

      I hope I didnt kill our beautiful thread by bringing this up.

      PPPs.
      "Testing" as the gurus call it , to find profitable markets is easy... Look around, there are mobile marketing threads here approaching 50k views, what does that tell you?

      You can go to any forum and find out whats hot, its even easier in other niches because people arent all scheming for it...Here at WF if theres a hot thread 100 people are all over that subject immediately.

      Anyway, forums are the best place to find hot markets.
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  • Profile picture of the author troy23
    tryinhere

    My point is we have all seen these kind of posts before. I'd like people to follow it as given and report back their results. The post is entitiled 'Make Money Now' so hopefully someone will from the given plan. No changes to the plan needed.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rob Howard
      Originally Posted by troy23 View Post

      tryinhere

      My point is we have all seen these kind of posts before.

      Traffic plan #1:


      1. Find niche forums that allow sigs.
      2. Join and participate.
      3. Place sig file for site.
      4. Profit.

      Just as simple and easy as the post. Doesn't rely on Google.

      Traffic plan #2:

      1. Find related niche sites with email lists.
      2. Offer up an exchange for promo (you do some work for them, they send you traffic to site)
      OR
      2. If you have cash, pay for an ad.

      Just as simple and easy as the post. Doesn't rely on Google.

      Traffic Plan #3:


      1. Create helpful videos. (And if possible, make them viral like)
      2. Post in video sharing places (youtube, etc.)
      3. Find related videos in niche that doesn't have a website in description. Contact them and offer to pay a small amount per month for your ad that leads to webste/video.

      Just as simple and easy as the post. Doesn't rely on Google.


      Three very simple, easy to do methods to get traffic to your site.

      Next time, instead of bitching about how something won't work, or "leaves something out" - be helpful and provide.

      Rob
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Nice hooks in the sig Diana!
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  • Profile picture of the author Stack Bundles
    THIS THREAD LIES THE PROBLEM FOR NEWBIES (No Disrespect to the OP)

    I don't care what you say - it's not that easy. You layout a huge list of what to do and what not to do and then you say...."Maybe I will even try it to prove to you".

    You haven't done it recently. There is no niche research in your plan, things are highly competitive and expectations should be realistic. You will not make any money doing what is outlined above in a day, maybe not even in a month.

    The steps above are accurate - but not nearly as easy as he makes it sound. It will take some a$$ busting. It will take writing posts to help the SEO of your page, it will take forum posting, it will take backlinking and even then you might just have a niche that won't get traffic.

    Then you start again. Eventually you will. You will get that first opt-in, and you will get that first sale. Even if you get 100 people to opt in, now you have to convert them. It's not that easy but as you work at it, each steps becomes easier to do again, you can get a feel of which niches will convert. You become right more often then wrong...and you start to turn the corner.



    All I'm telling you is have realistic expectations. Newbies come here and read all of these wonderful threads about people making $100 - $200 per day. They don't know how long it really too those people..or even if they are truthful.

    Have patience, have focus, and most important, make this a secondary income so you are not feeling the pressure. Enjoy the work and it will make it much more easier.

    FOLLOW THE METHOD OUTLINED, IT IS CORRECT - HOWEVER DON'T EXPECT MONEY TO HAPPEN OVER NIGHT!

    -Stack Bundles
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  • Profile picture of the author YasirYar
    Article marketing is still an effective way to get traffic as well. Even if you are not the best writer, there are plenty of services out there to write for you. In some cases, you can even find services that will submit the articles that they have written for you to make it even easier. You may be surprised at the quality writing you can get for a very reasonable price. Try vWorker.com or even here at the forum!
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  • Profile picture of the author joekoffi
    I think you left out one key factor ... Targeted traffic!
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  • Profile picture of the author VinceReed
    Anyone can be a leader, but a mentor can show you results.

    John, congrats for having the balls to pull the curtain back on a good idea. Most people wouldn't have the guts to share information for free becuz they think information=money...it doesn't.

    Information, experience, and execution=money

    John, you've started a great post, now let me wrap it up for you...

    A: Get an aweber acct. ($1.00)
    GOOD

    B: If you dont have a credit card, borrow one from somebody.

    You can use free squeeze pages at netdivvy.com (no videos, but unlimited)

    C: Get A Homestead/Intuit account. ($9.95 per month) Save your money...

    D: Pick a target market...ie; Dog Grooming, MMO... Identify a need

    E: Put up a squeeze page using one of homesteads template designs. Easy drag and drop interface. Easy to optimize.

    F: Using the instructional videos at aweber, integrate the aweber opt in form into your web page... GOOD!

    G: Offer something COMPLETELY AMAZING for Free on Your Webpage, in exchange for signing up to your newsletter.
    >>> This is vague and frankly this is the "SEO" optimization of network marketing. Everybody's doing this and giving away the same garbage e-books as everyone else and few people actually have a useful 'newsletter'. In fact Troy Dooly's the only one I can think of that is legit. If you are going to give something away for free have it in the form of a video presentation or webinar, rather than an e-book. I have a folder dedicated to "e-books"... they are like an Indian buffet. Everything looks and smells similar.

    H: Create an auto response email in your weber account for people who sign up that sends them the opt in confirmation link.
    :rolleyes: Double Opt-in confirmation is not necessary by law and reduces conversion rates. As long as you have an unsubscribe option in the bottom of the e-mail you'll be fine. You can turn off the double opt-in within A-weber when you are publishing your web form. This is only a problem if you are getting people to sign up in an underhanded fashion.

    I: When they click the opt in confirmation link, have it take them straight to the web page where they can download their amazing free product as promised.
    ... I suggest automatically attaching the file to the first of several e-mail messages associated with this list inside of A-weber. By having the "free e-book" posted somewhere to download you create unnecessary work and technical issues if the host server goes down or several people are attempting to download at once.

    J: Set up an affiliate account with click bank or whoever, to promote a product thats related to your niche which pays say a $10.00 commission.

    :confused: Again here is where experience in this industry will either cause you to crash and burn or fly high.... Click bank and other affiliate marketing programs are the fastest way to make money, but they can also cause more long-term harm than short-term good and here's why:

    1. Most affiliate providers are experts and frequently siphon leads away from marketers.
    2. 99% of click-bank products are garbage and if you become known as someone who is selling garbage you will be quickly sidelined in this industry and your leads will unsubscribe quicker than you can generate them. The other 1% of click bank products can make you rich.

    H: Create an auto response "Welcome Email" That welcomes people to your newsletter and tells them about this other awesome product they might be interested in. Im thinking 2 out of ten will buy.
    :confused: ...vague... every list you develop should be marketed to with a campaign of e-mail solicitations that alternate between selling and providing value. Follow this formula:

    1. Value
    2. Sale
    3. Upsale
    4. Value

    2 out of 10 will buy? Wow, a 20% conversion ratio! That would make you the "KING OF THE NET".

    Here are some realistic numbers based on actual results.

    I generate approximately 50-60 opt-in leads per day per campaign (currently running approximately 4 campaigns). Of those 50-60 leads I have an opt-out rate of 8.1. Of the leads that are left I have a 3.4% conversion ratio with a 0.4% ratio of variance per campaign.

    In a week, 250 leads will generate approximately 8 sales. Of the people who didn't buy the first product I place in front of them 13% will eventually buy a product or utilize a service that I provide, but those 13% don't buy the top-tier products. They usually just utilize an affiliate service I provide.

    THere, some realistic numbers for newbie's to absorb.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stack Bundles
    John you missed my point and it was not to discredit you in anyway.

    You might be currently doing it but not as a NEWBIE. Dude you have almost 3000 posts in this forum. What might look like "Childs's Play" to you is a huge learning curve for most newbies.

    I'm not saying your methods are wrong, quite opposite, it's right on the money. I'm just telling people that they won't be making money overnight.

    It's like teaching your kid to drive a car. You are telling him to drive to the end of he block, do a k-trun, drive back and parallel park. You have been driving for years, you can do that while talking on the phone,texting, eating french fries while steering with your knees. It takes you about 2 minutes.

    Your kid gets in the car, checks the reveiw mirror, looks around the car, adjusts the side mirror, puts his hands on the 10 oclock and 2 oclock position. Looks down at the gearbox to make sure the car is in Drive and pushes the gas, gives it some brake and gives it some gas all the way down to the end of the block in about 10 minutes. Forget about the k-turn and parallel parking. You will be there all day.

    But it's ok. The advice you gave him is correct, he just can't do it in 2 minutes. It takes him 15 and there's a bunch of learning along the way.

    My point is, just becuae you can do it overnight, you are taking your marketing skills and as it appears from the respect that you have in the forum, surperior marketing skills, for granted. It took you time to develop them and it will take newbies some time.

    Like "Zamantra Marketing" said the conversion rates are a little high for a newbie, puting out newbie content. If they expect to make money today, they will be dissappointed and when they are struggling to get opt-ins a week from now they will give up.

    So again, not to discredit you, but to provide a realistic expectation. Even if you showed the steps yourself, it wouldn't be the same as a newbie following the steps. You will do just the right subtle tweaks that will drive convesions. That stuff takes months and years to learn. You do it without even thinking.

    I personally can follow your steps but I don't think I can get 10 per day, I might squeak out 2, but eventually I will be good enough to get 10. The difference between me and a newbie is I've made a little money and I NEVER give up.

    -Stack Bundles
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Guys I appreciate your points however... I just hit my 1000th post about 13 months ago, and I was already making money off my sig...Significant money...

    Again, this is getting tiresome, but I have already agreed that 20% "might" be high, and Rob doesnt tend to think so, neither do I... I HAVE a seven dollar product that currently converts at 50%.

    This thread isnt about getting rich over night, its about making your first money online, the simplest fastes most effective route. Thank you Vincereed for your contribution, however if you can only think of ONE person who you consider legit... then you must be hard to impress. I do think your info was valuable, you provided some short cuts on aweber and showed that even the simple step I outlined didnt have to be as complicated, it could even be SIMPLER.

    I promise you I could write a report in 24 hours and stick it in my sig right now and make $1,000 over night off this very thread, but my offline people would be pissed at me for that. I guess thats why marketers use different usernames...so they can work in multiple markets. But Im just me...

    What Im trying to tell you is that ANYONE could take their knowledge , start a thread like this one, and make that thousand dollars that I could have made if I would have used this as a promotion.

    As long as people are interested in what you are saying.

    ZERO need for google.

    Stack, again, in this discussion we are talking about things that they can learn to help drive conversions. The main thing is SELL HARD BENEFITS and Have a Strong call to action.

    You want people to click your link?

    There is only ONE SINGLE THING THAT REQUIRES - A Hooky line. Thats it. The better your line the more people click, and you can play with that till it works.

    Oh, and you have to be posting useful information and helpful advice.

    I know a newby isnt going to pull it off like a guy that has been doing it for awhile, but they CAN make money...There are guys on the warriorforum in the offline marketing forum ("Areveez" is an example), who only had 15 posts to their name, started a hot thread on a mobile marketing script that they had JUST STARTED using to make a few sales, people were interested, the thread took off and within a week he had a WSO out, and it got WSO of the day his first time out.

    That could happen for anyone. It wasnt the most brilliant post in the world to be honest though his little pitch I thought was nice... But it was something that drew interest.

    So yeah, I believe a newby can take months to develop, or they can be sharp and blow the doors off of it, OR they can be not necessarily a rocket scientist and still make $10,000 on their first offer.

    It happens at the warrior forum everyday.

    Thanks for the contributions. so lets teach these people together shall we?
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  • Profile picture of the author AlexisMoore
    I love this post, and I think that making posts like this should be what the WF is all about. Too often, it seems as though a lot of good posts will turn bad when people start getting into pissing matches with each other. It only remains as a useful post when people can continue to focus on the matter at hand, which is lending good solid advice.

    What I love is that there are experienced individuals like John who are actually willing to share their valuable knowledge with others. I am sure that he is quite busy and has a lot of other things that he could be doing right now.

    I am seriously considering going with what this guy is saying, not because I think it is going to be easy, but because it is a start. It's been so hard to decide on a plan of action that I (like many others) have never taken that first step. I can write a damn good article, but I am a total noob when it comes to some of the most important aspects of IM.

    That is why I am here- I want to soak up as much knowledge as these experts will be kind enough to offer. So thanks guys for all the useful information. I want to take action TODAY and build a website...I am ready to move into new horizons and experiences with IM, and as a Mother I would love to teach my girls (by example) that hard work has its rewards.
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
      It's a good guide, but "offering something completely amazing" is probably going to be the clincher.

      Existing "amazing things" are probably already widespread and to create something amazing from scratch will probably require more than the mind of a newbie.
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      • Profile picture of the author DianaHeuser
        Originally Posted by webcore View Post

        Existing "amazing things" are probably already widespread and to create something amazing from scratch will probably require more than the mind of a newbie.
        Pfftt!!! :p Just because I am a newbie at this business does not mean that I am not capable of something amazing. You have to crawl before you can walk. Once I have got walking done and dusted (learning and understanding what needs to be done at a practical level), you might have trouble keeping up with this newbie once I start running.

        Just a thought. Use it. Don't use it.

        Di
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        • Profile picture of the author AlexisMoore
          Originally Posted by DianaHeuser View Post

          Pfftt!!! :p Just because I am a newbie at this business does not mean that I am not capable of something amazing. You have to crawl before you can walk. Once I have got walking done and dusted (learning and understanding what needs to be done at a practical level), you might have trouble keeping up with this newbie once I start running.

          Just a thought. Use it. Don't use it.

          Di
          I love your attitude!
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          • Profile picture of the author Morganzolar
            Hi!

            Thanks for the post, alot of good advice here - I'm afraid I've got to be abit doubtful of it's simplicity, but if someone's achieved it I guess it's worth a try! Cheers for sharing!

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            • Profile picture of the author rafaelapolinario
              Thanks for sharing, John. Yes, I think it lacks one important factor and that is targeted traffic. But you can always do this doing SEO for your website and on related niche.


              Cheers!
              Rafael
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              • Profile picture of the author John Durham
                Well the ones who will struggle wont do it because of any technical aspect from my view, because those are easy enough to get through. Heck Jun just did it without even owning a computer...Thats AMAZING! lol

                ... but do agree with webcore in a sense, simply because SOME will need to learn how to "sell themselves"...Not anyone I see here that would have much problem with that. Sales ability can be learned and developed.

                Doesnt look like Diane will be that person for sure!!

                Enthusiasm is contagious. Some wont do it because they dont want to be seen as less than rational calm ....

                Just go CRAZY!!! lol Shout it from the rooftops! Tell everyone how it will benefit them.

                I dont even mind embarrassing myself a bit in the process personally...its part of the fun. I would rather over sell than undersell! As long as you bring home the goods you can only be soo embarrassed.

                As far as "amazing", thats relative to the reader...this very thread is pretty amazing from own view, dont you love the breakthrough energy going on?"

                That energy is what makes things happen more than anything, when it is present action is taking place. Theres no stopping it, not everyone, but some of the people who are more assertive here are going to make some money.

                I use to be able to tell from the "buzz" in my telemarketing room where the energy was and got to where I could predict gross pretty closely based on just that alone.

                There is some serious prosperous breakthrough energy going on here...
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  • Profile picture of the author williamrs
    Nice thread, John!

    I believe the numbers can be a bit different for a newbie (the conversion rate you suggested would be hard to achieve), and I also think generating traffic can be a bit tough in the beginning, but in general, it's really the key.

    The process I use with my main PPC campaigns is very similar to the one you outlined and I can guarantee it really works.

    Also, the fact that you're building a list wil allow you to make even more money in the long run (assuming you're not burning your subscribers with scams ), so this is really the way to go for people who are just getting started.


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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Alexis, if it were me I would center my sig, to create a bigger space at the bottom of my posts...that way the eye is drawn to the center where your message is.

    I agree with you William, 20% is going to be for fast learners at best, lets call it 5%. Still thats significant. Thanks for the post! For most people here even making a couple hundred dollars per week would be a huge encouragement to help them keep going.
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  • Profile picture of the author AlexisMoore
    Thanks for the tip on my sig- I actually just needed to scrap the whole thing until my latest project is ready to launch.

    I'm thinking of entering into the Parenting niche. It seems like there's a lot of opportunities there, and I already know a lot about it from experience. I'm expecting my third child.
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  • Profile picture of the author SandyDuPlessis
    Thanks for a great thread.

    I have just spent some time reading through all three pages of this thread and couldn't help but feel amused. Why? Because I kept seeing my own progress (and lack of it at times)

    For a long time, I wobbled from one shiny thing to the next, trying to figure out what the heck I was supposed to be doing and how I was supposed to do it. I learned a bit here and a bit there and from time to time someone would step forward and lead me by the hand.

    As far as I was concerned, I was the eternal newbie with insufficient knowledge and no marketable skills until one day I suddenly realized that I was not a newbie anymore and that I did in fact know enough to be able to teach someone else...BUT that I was not putting into practice what I had learned.

    That was the point that I put up my first squeeze page without even offering any form of freebie (my product wasn't even close to ready) and yet people still signed up.

    How did they find my squeeze page? Well it certainly wasn't through marketing because I didn't do any.
    Through my posts? I don't think so because I have never posted very much.
    Which means that people were mostly just getting there because I had found the "right" niche at the right time and they were following Google via my keywords.

    So yes the OP's post resonated with me because it was only when I started doing exactly what he is recommending in this thread that I was finally able to stop wobbling around and start focusing and found myself heading towards success.

    You need to have confidence and believe in yourself. You need to be determined and you need to throw the words "I give up" right out of the door.

    Remember there is always a way to get to the "other side", you might have to go over, under, around the sides to left or right or maybe just dig right through the middle.

    Stop worrying about all the people who have been saying the OP hasn't provided enough information about this or that. Stop worrying about the figures and the percentages. Just get on with it and do it!
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  • Profile picture of the author Don Schenk
    Great advice as always John.

    I: When they click the opt in confirmation link, have it take them straight to the web page where they can download their amazing free product as promised.
    When I was new, the technical stuff bogged me down. I had no idea as to where to put the .pdf for download, nor any idea about telling Aweber the URL of the download page.

    So for anyone confused by this, the very easy way is to simply upload your FREE .pdf to the root position of your website. Also if you give the .pdf some goofy, random name, fewer people are likely to find it and download without opting in.

    If you rename your .pdf something like uPP98tTg.pdf, and you upload that to your site, the download link would be http:// w w w.YourWebsite . com/uPP98tTg.pdf (without the spaces.)

    There is a field in Aweber (or any autoresponder) in which you tell Aweber where to send the person who has just opted in and confirmed.
    In that field you would put http:// w w w.YourWebsite . com/uPP98tTg.pdf

    There is another way, and that would be to make an additional webpage that says Thank-You and tells readers to "click here" for your download. You would upload that page to the root position of your site, and tell aweber the name of that page www . YOurWebsite . com/pagename.html

    You would make the "click here" on that page be a link to http:// w w w.YourWebsite . com/uPP98tTg.pdf

    :-Don
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  • Profile picture of the author AlexisMoore
    WOW!

    I was just in the process of trying to choose a domain name for my site, and here you come out with advice for me on how to do it!

    Yes, it is overwhelming, but I can always go one step at a time and keep referring back to this post for the information. Honestly, I am just ever so grateful for the help.

    I have had this dream of having my own "Moms" website since about 2008- I have just never taken the necessary steps to get it off the ground. I am always focusing on making immediate money for my family, so I never feel that I have the time to do anything else. But what better time than now?

    It's cool that you mentioned the forum thing- my husband had already told me that I should do that. He is in the process of finding me a template with Buddy Press so that I can have a forum. Initially, I thought it may be too complicated for me, but I think that with his help I could probably handle it. He's more "tech savvy" than I...

    I want to write my own eBooks for the site, and only promote affiliate products occasionally through my list or highlight things occasionally on my site. I have started my first one for the site already, and I like where it is heading. I figure I can put some affiliate links at the end of the books as well.

    I realize it's a niche with a lot of competition, but I am hoping that since I will be offering valuable content with a little personality, I may be able to rise above. There is really no other topic that I am more passionate about, and I guess it's better to go with your passion.

    If people criticize you, that's their problem. Personally, I am thankful for the valuable insight. When you are first starting out, you tend to be really unsure of yourself and it makes you afraid to make a move. When you have someone with experience telling you what actually works it helps you to be a little less afraid to make that first move. Maybe someday I will be the one who can offer guidance.

    Anyway, thanks a lot. I really do appreciate that you took the time to do that. I won't forget it.
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  • Profile picture of the author CoreWorkouts
    Hmmmmm, maybe I have been going about this the wrong way??? Maybe I am overcomplicating things? I have an aweber account, I have websites. ???? Back to the drawing board!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jun Balona
    Ok update:

    Since I set up my squeeze page up I got 6 subscribers (and I haven't even tweak the page itself, nor did I make any SEO).

    I intend to do the tweaking once I got some free time, the reason being, as you already know by now, I'm just using my phone to post here.

    I also have this idea of emulating the marketing styles of Steven Wagenheim and Paul Myers since I can proudly say that I'm a subscriber to both of their lists.

    So there. Even if I think my list is somewhat small, I'm not complaining. I intend to take care of my subscribers and give them value for opting in.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by Jun Balona View Post

      Ok update:

      Since I set up my squeeze page up I got 6 subscribers (and I haven't even tweak the page itself, nor did I make any SEO).

      I intend to do the tweaking once I got some free time, the reason being, as you already know by now, I'm just using my phone to post here.

      I also have this idea of emulating the marketing styles of Steven Wagenheim and Paul Myers since I can proudly say that I'm a subscriber to both of their lists.

      So there. Even if I think my list is somewhat small, I'm not complaining. I intend to take care of my subscribers and give them value for opting in.
      Awesome Jun, you have a decent start! Very encouraging, money is inevitable if you keep going at this rate. Just think last week you didnt know what to do, and this week you have a whole foundation laid and some great mentors to look up to, as both of those mentioned are awesome!

      I read Pauls Email every week. He is phenomenal! Thats a good act to follow!
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  • Profile picture of the author keepgoin
    Just shows - making money online doesn't have to be complicated!

    Great thread and OP - thanks.

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  • Profile picture of the author visimedia
    good tip, the missing part of this thread is about the "traffic generation".. which is the blood of this business. no traffic, no optins, no money...

    I think if you add some tips about trffic generation (that's hard for most people) then it'll be a complete heplful thread...

    good luck
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  • Profile picture of the author Jun Balona
    Just edited most of my squeeze page just now. I also intend to make some changes on my report. But maybe I'll do that some other time.

    It's 2:30 here in the morning and I'm totally drained. Thank goodness there are computer shops here that are open 24/7.

    Well, gotta get some sleep...
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      It looks a lot better Jun. It's cool to see the progression. Thanks for sharing
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by Jun Balona View Post


      It's 2:30 here in the morning and I'm totally drained. Thank goodness there are computer shops here that are open 24/7.

      Well, gotta get some sleep...

      Welcome to being a warrior jun, you have about another year of being up excited at 2:30 am, maybe more. Even after you make money this stuff will drive you with passion to stay up all hours working...as for me, I will be for the rest of the week writing pitches and training recordings for my peeps till the we hours and I love it. See you at 2:30 am

      Ps. Jun, got your email Great program, in fact so great that I already have it. If Sandors gives you credit for cookies and re-orders...then that was wise, because he will sell and sell and sell anyone who signs into his list and you will make sales just off his work alone. Plus he is known as a great one!
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  • Profile picture of the author kaper7
    Good job Jon! These steps will help people who have not made any money. Simple enough for any one to apply and make their first few bucks.

    I like the fact that you're teaching them to start building their list. Believe it or not, many are still sendinf traffic directly to their offer. This is a BIG MISTAKE.

    All sqeeze pages that I've tested converts better with video so make surr you're using video guys!
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  • Profile picture of the author creative producer
    More power to the action takers! I love what I see happening, here.

    To those who say a "newbie" may not be able to be the source of AMAZING content and BRILLIANCE, I refer back to the words of none other than Steve Jobs who said that the key to building Apple was that he recognized that GREAT IDEAS COULD COME FROM ANYONE, and he created an environment that encouraged everyone in the company, regardless of their title or position to see themselves as a source of creative power with something VALUABLE to contribute. Because of that, most people who worked there SAW THEMSELVES differently. And guess, what, that's all that matters!

    The power you gain by doing this method (OR ANY OTHER METHOD) has less to do with click throughs and traffic sources,etc.

    The deep value available to everyone one of us is that by getting in the game FOR REAL, even if your method is "wrong", even if you fail, is that YOU BECOME SOMEONE DIFFERENT, that even paying a guru $1997 won't get you:
    YOU BECOME A PERSON WITH EXPERIENCE! And with experience, you have a story to tell AND something to SELL.

    Right now, just because Jun set up his list, and got six subscribers, he could go out TODAY and call on businesses in town and say, "I have a new service that helps you attract new customers and keep in touch with them on a regular basis without having to spend a ton on advertising. I just added 6 new customers in less than 2 days!"

    Here's a little path to follow, others, please add to it and fill in the gaps:

    1) Sign up as an affiliate of aweber and offer to set local busineses up on the service.
    2) Charge them a fee to set it up/install it for them.
    3) Charge another fee to teach them how to use it effectively.
    4) Charge another fee to manage it for them if they don't have time.
    5) Not ready to make calls? Ask the library, or a local coffee shop if you can offer a class on how small businesses can attract and keep customers using email marketing.
    6) Write a 30 day autoresponder series for a small business, sell it as an add on service.
    7) Don't want to do face to face?
    There are a shocking number of businesses that do not have a contact form on their website. Go find some.
    8) Look them up and email them. Tell them what you can do and invite them to follow up with you, better yet, have them opt in to your list to see a 7 day demonstration of how it works! Keep them on your list and keep going until they buy.
    9) If they don't buy, survey them and find out why not.
    10) Give them what they want if you can or,
    11) Sell your now, prequalified offline leads to someone who hates to cold call.
    Will you get a low response rate? Probably! Will you screw up if you give a public presentation? Probably! Is it possible you won't sell anything at all? Yes!

    Let's say you get nowhere.

    12) Write a new report on the "Top 10 Listbuilding Mistakes Newbies/Small Business People Make". You are speaking with the voice of authority because YOU'VE DONE IT, not because you read about doing it!

    And you have a 100% higher chance of breaking through YOUR OWN HABITUAL RESISTANCE TO TAKING ACTION by doing something rather than NOTHING, or analyzing, agonizing, criticizing, waiting until you know it all, you think you are good enough or somehow magically ready.

    By getting started with John's plan, Jun (and everyone else with the guts to try it) now has something lots of people who have spent thousands of dollars on wso's and courses don't have:
    1) Experience
    2) A list
    3) A new skill as a listbuilding consultant
    4) An amazing story to tell. Call the media!
    "How I Built My Online Business Without a Computer!" 5
    5) Something to sell with authenticity and authority AND PROOF he can do it
    6) Visibility because he was willing to speak up here and take action

    Priceless!

    Add to that if you are smart and listen to the great advice here on how to get traffic, how to increase conversions, how to engage your list, all the ways to improve what you've started, tweak it so it works better and better, then you are leveraging the ultimate asset. I call it (OPK=other people's knowledge). You don't have to know it all to succeed, as long as you're willing to act on other people's wisdom!

    Get in the game, hang out with others who do know, be open to learning and taking action, fail fast, keep going. monetize every morsel!

    Thanks to all the DOERS for your courage and determination. You ARE teachers by your actions,

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  • Profile picture of the author DianaHeuser
    Now that is stunning advice Creative Producer. Thanks for that. I will updating this thread with my progress over the weekend.

    Di
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    • Profile picture of the author creative producer
      Originally Posted by DianaHeuser View Post

      Now that is stunning advice Creative Producer. Thanks for that. I will updating this thread with my progress over the weekend.

      Di
      Cool, Diana,

      Since you have made the commitment to come back here and post your progress over the weekend, I'll make the commitment to check out how far you have come. Deal?

      Sometimes its easier to keep going in a race when you know somebody is waiting for you at the finish line!

      Those of us fortunate enough to be in business for ourselves know that there's a NEW finish line every day. It takes daily action, daily commitment, daily discovery and implementation to get a profitable business up and rolling online or offline.

      You've already done the hardest part most side-liners won't do, you've gotten into the game, you are on the path and you are moving.

      Here are a couple more ideas: "How Every Service Provider Can Triple Your Business By Leveraging Your Skill to Make 3 Revenue Streams Out of One"
      (This can be done by you or anyone who has a business like this based on a service model).

      1) Revenue Stream 1:
      Diana, I notice you make cool banners and e-covers and blinkies that you produce and sell. Great!

      2) Revenue Stream 2:
      You could probably quickly increase you business by creating a step by step TUTORIAL for people on how they can create their own banner or ebook cover or blinkie.

      Won't that put a drag in your service sales? Maybe, but that will be hugely offset by your product sales.

      AND, the value of CREATING A PRODUCT ABOUT HOW TO DO WHAT YOU DO,
      is you are freeing your time to go do something else.
      Create the instructional report, sell it over and over. No more having to wait to get paid until after you've done the work.

      3) REvenue Stream 3:
      Third twist is to create a "Make Money" product about how to make $ doing what you do. "How to Make An Extra $__ A Week Making Simple Banners From Home" (not claiming that's a great headline...just to illustrate the point)!

      Add in some marketing resources and modest income proof to the DIY course you already created and now you've expanded into a different niche LEVERAGING THE SAME INFORMATION you started with. AND, you can sell that report for more than the report with just the "How to" instructions.

      There are tons of resources on the WF for ways to build out this model with free traffic, promotion, etc.

      BOTTOM LINE:
      In every service area there are At LEAST three markets ( I think there are 10 or more, but for the sake of simplicity and rapid action let's just look at 3):
      1) Those that want it "Done for you" (DFY)
      This is the market you are reaching now by offering your service.

      2) Those that are the "do it yourselfers " (DIY)
      If you have the skill to provide the service, you can again STAND ON YOUR EXPERIENCE AND AUTHORITY as a service provider and become a teaching guide for the "do it yourselfers". They will pay you to teach them.

      3) Those that want to do it for money (DIFM)
      Some % of those that start out making the banners for themselves may get really good at it and decide to generate a little extra cash by doing it as a side business. Many won't know where to start. YOU DO! YOU'RE DOING IT! They can pay you to show them the ropes!

      Here's the core of my little "formula":
      DIY +DFY + DIFM= More Fully Leveraged Knowledge translated into $

      The funny thing is, you will find is that even some % of the people that start out as DIY'ers or think they WANT to do it themselves, will come back to you and give you their business for you to do it for them, because they figure out they don't have the time or the aptitude or patience for it. They realize it probably makes more sense to pay you to do it, anyway.

      They will be some of your most loyal and grateful service customers because you were wiling to help them save some cash by teaching them to do it themselves.

      You could take this as far as you are willing to, becoming an expert, an authority figure. There are stars in every niche, no matter how obscure.

      This formula is alive and kicking here at the WF. This applies to every offline service being sold here, SEO, website building, facebook fanpages, google places, youtube videos, you name it. Its a simple formula, perhaps obvious, perhaps not, but it generates billions everyday.

      Hope that helps sparks your creativity to find some more ways to use what you already have, what you are already good at to get more of what you want.

      I promise to check back before the weekend is out to see how it's coming!

      Keep Going,

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      • Profile picture of the author DianaHeuser
        Originally Posted by creative producer View Post


        1) Revenue Stream 1:
        Diana, I notice you make cool banners and e-covers and blinkies that you produce and sell. Great!

        2) Revenue Stream 2:
        You could probably quickly increase you business by creating a step by step TUTORIAL for people on how they can create their own banner or ebook cover or blinkie.
        CP
        John and CP,
        You guys are blowing me away

        An update on this week's changes.

        I made a change to my signature on the 14th of October and I have had 7 signups to my free report since then. I had none before (700% improvement) and a 13% Conversion rate!!!
        Traffic to my site since the 14th is 51 unique visitors (previous week - 15 visitors). That's over 200% increase in traffic.

        Ok, it's Friday night. Day job is over for two days. Here's the plan:

        Dynamic eBusiness Building
        1) Change sales copy of free info product on sign up page.
        2) Setup an autoresponder series to start on Monday the 24th October

        Design streams of Income
        CP = You will probably laugh when I tell you that exactly one year ago I wrote an ebook on how people can design their own graphics - without a graphics program. I also wrote a free report on how to design a WordPress header without a graphics program. And I never did anything with it. I am soooo glad I did not delete it

        I have written out an entire list of activities which needs to be done wrt the design stuff by the end of the weekend but I won't bore you all :p

        I am posting the plan for the weekend because that way I am sure it will be done. I would be too humiliated not to get it done because now I have made my intentions public

        Thank you for the encouragement and support. It really means a lot to me.

        Di
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      • Profile picture of the author AfteraDream
        Originally Posted by creative producer View Post


        BOTTOM LINE:
        In every service area there are At LEAST three markets ( I think there are 10 or more, but for the sake of simplicity and rapid action let's just look at 3):
        1) Those that want it "Done for you" (DFY)
        This is the market you are reaching now by offering your service.

        2) Those that are the "do it yourselfers " (DIY)
        If you have the skill to provide the service, you can again STAND ON YOUR EXPERIENCE AND AUTHORITY as a service provider and become a teaching guide for the "do it yourselfers". They will pay you to teach them.

        3) Those that want to do it for money (DIFM)
        Some % of those that start out making the banners for themselves may get really good at it and decide to generate a little extra cash by doing it as a side business. Many won't know where to start. YOU DO! YOU'RE DOING IT! They can pay you to show them the ropes!

        Here's the core of my little "formula":
        DIY +DFY + DIFM= More Fully Leveraged Knowledge translated into $

        The funny thing is, you will find is that even some % of the people that start out as DIY'ers or think they WANT to do it themselves, will come back to you and give you their business for you to do it for them, because they figure out they don't have the time or the aptitude or patience for it. They realize it probably makes more sense to pay you to do it, anyway.

        They will be some of your most loyal and grateful service customers because you were wiling to help them save some cash by teaching them to do it themselves.

        CP
        Wow.. these sentences alone are incredibly insightful. They are in everyone's face but no one notices them. Some do it on instinct tho. Thread was already amazing but this one applies to Offline niches too so it's pure business advice..
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Sol
    Here is how to make a million fast:

    1. Find a niche of desperate people (that have money).
    2. Get them to your website.
    3. Sell them a product at $10,000 a pop. You only need to make 100 sales to make a mil.

    ... easier said than done.

    OP's message is correct, however, 2 people out of 10 buying on the first e-mail? That's 20% conversion. I'd say it does NOT exist. 1% would be a lot more realistic...

    Let alone the conversion rate, it's a challenge for most people to get 10 subscribers a day... It's not too hard, however it needs quite a lot of work and some time to reach that level.

    ... just my $0.02
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by Alex Sol View Post

      Here is how to make a million fast:

      1. Find a niche of desperate people (that have money).
      2. Get them to your website.
      3. Sell them a product at $10,000 a pop. You only need to make 100 sales to make a mil.

      ... just my $0.02
      Good idea. As for the two cents, that's about what the other part that I didnt quote was worth...but the first part made up for it.

      @CP AWESOME!!!!!

      Take over the podium!!!

      I have work to do today so cant keep up but Good God that was an awesome post! Even gave ME some offline marketing ideas to boot! Please preach it!

      This is what is needed to get people on the road. Of course they are going to have trials (Duh?) Not exactly breaking news for anyone to post that... (they are "newbies", not "people without common sense") but the key is that they also have a squeeze page now and something to work with whereas before they were paralyzed by info overload and didnt know what to do!

      Action is key, everything else follows that, but first you have to be sure of an action to take. This is the safest bet for making your first money online, and could grow to ALOT.

      These guys saying traffic is the trouble, is because they follow that school of thought...Conversion is the answer... trust me the rest will come! If they were converting they wouldnt need a ton of traffic.

      Maybe they have been frustrated with traffic because thats what the focus on, and they arent even converting CLICKS let alone sales...maybe it takes months for them because they are messing with seo instead of doing other things in the meantime and growing that part incrementally.

      I have made tens of thousands in sales while other people are still playing with the search engines bewildered and I havent tried to optimize anything until lately.

      I even know a guy who has invested in 35 seo sites that are number one, and he cant sell them to business owners because he doesnt get it. Copy and sales ability are what sell. You can have the best product in the world, but if you cant sell you are history. Thats what we are teaching here, but first you have to have a product which is what everyone is doing.

      "They are going to learn some hard lessons..."

      Why? Because you did?

      No, because they are taking a shorter, more efficient route. You are the one who had to learn hard lessons because you did it the hard way. Thats MHO only.

      Dont project your struggles and failures on people.

      At Diana, looking forward to seeing your progress, actually the post I made to Jun about ad copy was what I wanted to share with you, but I got into it all on that post so to say it again would have been repetitive. Should have addressed both of you in it.

      Awesome action taking here. Wonder if Jun got a sale yet?

      I probably wont be back here today, but good luck everyone!

      PS. Over 3,000 views on this thread inside 4 days.

      Are you gonna tell me that traffic is difficult when you have a good converting hook?


      Too late.

      Oh, also..., it hasnt been "hard", its been a BLAST!!
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      • Profile picture of the author millerscd
        John, you have inspired me. After reading all of this information, I can see where this all makes sense and seems like a solid foundation. I plan on implementing something within a few days. I do have one question though. In a previous response you said:

        Originally Posted by John Durham View Post


        PS. Over 3,000 views on this thread inside 4 days.

        Are you gonna tell me that traffic is difficult when you have a good converting hook?


        Too late.

        Oh, also..., it hasnt been "hard", its been a BLAST!!
        How can you tell how many views you have received? Is it because you posted the article and WF lets you see this? Is there a way, such as an online tool, we can use to see how much traffic a given forum is getting?

        BTW, to all your hatters , I would like to say that this advice was given for free. You are not trying to peddle or manipulate anyone.

        Thanks again.

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  • Profile picture of the author TheNewGuy2010
    This is NOT a Internet Marketing business model!

    This is a tried and true method for doing business on and offline---

    Matching good offers with ready to buy paying customers. It's timeless and it works. All businss is operated like this!!

    Before Amazon discontinued it's affiliate program in Illinois. THIS very business model was exactly how I made all of my money online.......here's what I did.

    I found a product to promote on Amazon( doesn't matter how cheap or expensive it is. )
    I found a blog theme and loaded the blog with 25 well written content pages(500-700 words)
    I put up a "squeezer" with a freebie related to the niche. (I GAVE AWAY a babysitting/daycare ebook.)
    I went to work on driving traffic.

    Yup, that's all I did. I made a lot of money doing that.

    Once people got my my list, I pormoted similar items. For example, the product that I was promoting on the website was a $300 baby stroller so once they got on my opt-in list I'd promote, baby clothes, baby products etc

    Johh, this workls man. I did it for a while untill amazon shut down shop.
    I ended up selling the website to my next door neighbor.

    I'm so excited to see this thread that I'm going to find some affiliate products to promote and get started again.

    FOLKS-It's in our nature to complicate things. Success is supposed to be boring, just like this business model. Nothing flashing about it, but it works.

    The rewards of success is where the fun is at.


    To those that are making things complicated as it relates to the email list:

    I am on Amazon's list as well as Sperry-Top Siders(apparel) list.

    Not one time have I ever recieved a email from neither of them with an attempt to try to "engage me" or "connect with me".

    Every week I get their weekly sales emails. It's not engaging and it's not intended for me to "connect". It's intended to make a sale.

    I am not saying become a offer whore what i am saying is don't make this all complicated trying to make the "perfect email follow-up" series.

    Send out your weekly email or so and at the bottom have your product of the week or whatever posted.........you get the idea. Create your own way but I think you guys know what I mean.

    TRAFFIC---after you get your website set up. Leave it alone. You don't need to keep tweeking this or tweeking that. Do some SEO and that's it. Focus on traffic gen..You've got content on your site, now spend 90% of your time driving traffic and I mean VOLUME. Keep at it everyday.

    The high traffic volume alone will get you sign ups and website sales.

    Kim Roach and Marlon Sanders both have Traffic Dashboards if you want a action plan to use.

    Folks this does work.

    One thing I would do is make a decent content website. Google DOES support affilaites but stay away from thin websites. I'd add at least 20-25 pages of original content(NO PLR), if you can. But nothing less than that IMO.

    You don't need to build a 150 page website....build a nice mini-authority website and focus on the 1 website. Don't go and build 35 websites trying to get each one to make $3/day. You'can't promote that many websites. Focus on 1 at a time. Get that one website going strong than move on.

    With 5 websites you can bring in $10k/month. you might decide your 1-2 sites are doing so well you want to add more content to those 2 sites and keep it only at 2 websites. You don't need 35 websites to make a lot of money doing this.


    Great post John.........back to the basics!!!

    Yup folks, this is speaking from real experience.!
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  • Profile picture of the author Ottosh
    and after you set this whole system up, write some articles are throw them around the internet that will help with backlinks and traffic....
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  • Profile picture of the author Jun Balona
    Update:

    Been searching some other forums IM-related. That way I could register to some of them and stick my link below.

    I'm currently in the process of making another email to send to my subscribers. I'm also keeping a piece of paper and pen everywhere I go. I tend to have spontaneous ideas when I'm outside so definitely it comes in handy.

    @CP, wow! That is one awesome post! (I apologize if I have nothing else to say for now except for those, but thanks nevertheless.)

    @Diana, I would love to see your progress in here. (Care for a challenge ma'am on who would make a sale first? LOL! Just kidding. )

    As for sir John, as of this time, nope no sales as of this day (although I got another subscriber in my list today). Besides I'm just warming up. I'm a patient person so I'm not in a hurry. Besides, it took me about 3 and a half months to get my first sale on one Amazon niche site that I did.

    And most important, I'm having fun doing this! That's what matters the most.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jon Patrick
      There are some fantastic ideas in this thread, not just from John, but from several others as well. I would like to add a couple of points here.

      First, a few people asked about traffic sources. Guys, there are so many ways to get traffic to your websites that you can barely make a move on the internet without bumping into one. Social networks, article syndication, video uploads, paid traffic, search engines, blog comments, bookmarking sites... you name it. Give everything a shot and see what works for you. Of course, that involves some work... but work is how you make money, and if you follow a plan like John's, you'll be making at least some money very close to the beginning of the process.

      Second, I'd like to address the issue of offering something AMAZING in exchange for an email address, which was the subject of a few questions. The way I see it, if you're doing your job as a marketer, whatever you are offering your visitors for free is automatically going to be amazing. I'm not suggesting that you should offer them garbage and misrepresent it as gold - you should offer them something of value. The AMAZING-ness lies in effectively explaining why it is valuable and highlighting the fact that it is free. When you do that, your visitors are automatically going to think to themselves, "This is AMAZING!"
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    • Profile picture of the author DianaHeuser
      Originally Posted by Jun Balona View Post

      @Diana, I would love to see your progress in here. (Care for a challenge ma'am on who would make a sale first? LOL! Just kidding. )
      Jun, I will take that challenge

      Because you and I will come out winners regardless

      Di
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  • Profile picture of the author John Ralph
    Love it, nice and simple, straight to the point. Need to take action in order to make things happen!
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  • Profile picture of the author JasonChoi
    Wow... this is an awesome thread! As a newbie on this forum, this thread is filled with real quality stuff! I've been involved with online marketing for some time, but as many others have said, I got caught up trying to learn the latest, greatest techniques/strategies, when in fact, the first few posts of this thread is what I learned in the beginning, but somehow just didn't implement it.

    At the time, I had too much fear and anxiety getting in my way, but things are different now, and I'm starting to see the possibilities!

    Thanks again for sharing!
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  • Profile picture of the author DianaHeuser
    Update:

    CP - that idea of yours took me a total of 8 hours to implement the first phase which was to give a free report away on how to design your own header.

    Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

    1) Buy a domain √
    2) Setup an email address √
    3) Install Google Analytics √
    4) Setup list at Imnica √
    5) Setup auto-responder for download √
    6) Design Signup page for the free tutorial √
    7) Upload web page √
    8) Write tutorial √
    9) Covert to PDF √
    10) Add sample headers and graphics √
    11) Zip free tutorial √
    12) Ftp to website √
    13) Update signature on forums √

    And it's only Saturday lunch time here. Off to do the next bit

    Di
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    • Profile picture of the author creative producer
      Originally Posted by DianaHeuser View Post

      Update:

      CP - that idea of yours took me a total of 8 hours to implement the first phase which was to give a free report away on how to design your own header.

      Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

      1) Buy a domain √
      2) Setup an email address √
      3) Install Google Analytics √
      4) Setup list at Imnica √
      5) Setup auto-responder for download √
      6) Design Signup page for the free tutorial √
      7) Upload web page √
      8) Write tutorial √
      9) Covert to PDF √
      10) Add sample headers and graphics √
      11) Zip free tutorial √
      12) Ftp to website √
      13) Update signature on forums √

      And it's only Saturday lunch time here. Off to do the next bit

      Di
      Now, THAT'S MAKING IT HAPPEN, Diana! You go! I hate to go all "Wizard of Oz" on you, but the cool thing is you are using the EXPERIENCE AND KNOWLEDGE and SAVVY you HAD ALL ALONG.

      All you had to do was flip the ACTION switch into overdrive...you'll learn the rest as you go along.

      You did more in eight hours than many folks have done after YEARS! And you know what, watching you do it WILL INSPIRE some of those people to FOLLOW YOUR LEAD and cash in on WHAT THEY KNOW, too. Everybody wins! Thanks for showing up and following through. This made my weekend!

      Keep Going,

      -CP

      P.S. You think a few people might see how hard you work, how you do what you say you will do and think, "Hmmm, that's the kind of person I need helping me with MY GRAPHICS?" .....The sound of a thousand clicks!
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    • Profile picture of the author 06chakin
      Originally Posted by DianaHeuser View Post

      Update:

      CP - that idea of yours took me a total of 8 hours to implement the first phase which was to give a free report away on how to design your own header.

      Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

      1) Buy a domain √
      2) Setup an email address √
      3) Install Google Analytics √
      4) Setup list at Imnica √
      5) Setup auto-responder for download √
      6) Design Signup page for the free tutorial √
      7) Upload web page √
      8) Write tutorial √
      9) Covert to PDF √
      10) Add sample headers and graphics √
      11) Zip free tutorial √
      12) Ftp to website √
      13) Update signature on forums √

      And it's only Saturday lunch time here. Off to do the next bit

      Di
      I'd like to see the remainder of this weekend's list. As a newbie I wrote down your beginning steps knowing it will help guide me (of course not exactly step-by-step, but close enough) good to see you're making your way down the trail certain to get to the other side! -chris
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  • Profile picture of the author bellringer09
    Of course traffic will also take work but I think John's point was that you should invest your money in your own real estate not waste it on PPC/PPV etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author VivekGoel
    Great Post...Still I would like to add one thing...will simply sending sales offers in your post work. Won't it make your prospects sign-off from your list. What will keep them subscribed to your list.
    Where is the value that ur subscribers are supposed to get from each of your mail
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  • Profile picture of the author Rossome
    Bottom line: the strategy in this post is solid. It may be more difficult than expected and newbies attempting it will have some learning pains involved, the core points are still solid.

    If nothing else, it's a great read as there are many extra pointers and free tips coming out. Thanks to the OP for getting the ball rolling!

    -Rossome
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  • Profile picture of the author Jun Balona
    Just made a broadcast to my subscribers. I did not offer them to buy something but instead I made a mini newsletter on product creation tips and strategies.

    This was what I intended to do since making the jump in building a list. It is to give my subscribers value. Money from it would come afterwards.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jun Balona
      Originally Posted by DianaHeuser View Post

      It was good Jun. Got it now
      So glad that you like it.
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  • Profile picture of the author dunkinbbb
    Hi All:

    Here is a link to a Tony Robbins/John Reese video - they're not selling anything :-) - but they do talk about the biggest obstacle in any business is going from $0 to $1 - which I believe is the basic point John is making in this thread.

    Quite motivational, IMHO:

    Tony Robbins and John Reese. A Million Dollars in a day. on Vimeo

    My respect to all of you taking action.

    best,


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  • Profile picture of the author perfectlovehere
    For traffic to your squeeze page... I would also recommend:
    *Adswaps
    *Solo Ads
    *JV Giveaways
    *Forum Signatures
    *Blog Commenting
    etc.

    Just remember that the more traffic you can generate = the more possible subscribers you may have which = the more possible $$$ you may have! Build your list!

    Good luck guys!
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  • Profile picture of the author danr62
    I love this thread. This is top notch information that anyone can take and get started online. This has inspired me to stop thinking like a newbie and see myself as a professional. The truth is that I knew enough 6 months ago to earn money online. I has been my mindset that has held me back.
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  • Profile picture of the author kaleni
    Awesome advice its what Im doing right now!
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  • Profile picture of the author onegoodman
    I think it is interesting to checkout this Awber, I never checked them out before.
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  • Profile picture of the author aradea
    I still don't understand with this.maybe I miss something,but I'm not too interesting making money with ppc.Are there another way to make money especially increasing our traffic blog?because I have alternative medicine blog need a lot of quality backlink
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  • Profile picture of the author DianaHeuser
    Hi all

    Sunday afternoon and I have to admit I am exhausted.

    I posted this list earlier but it has been added to.

    1) Buy a domain √
    2) Setup an email address √
    3) Install Google Analytics √
    4) Setup list at Imnica √
    5) Setup auto-responder for download √
    6) Design Signup page for the free tutorial √
    7) Upload web page √
    8) Write tutorial √
    9) Covert to PDF √
    10) Add sample headers and graphics √
    11) Zip free tutorial √
    12) Ftp to website √
    13) Update signature on forums √
    14) Submit Opt-In copy for critique in the Copy Writing forum √
    15) Make Changes based suggestions (Work in progress)

    By the way, when you do submit your copy to the experts, you had better have nerves of steel. They ripped it apart but it was good .

    You can see my beating here. http://www.warriorforum.com/copywrit...ml#post4921457.

    It took me the better part of the day to start fixing that up Still a work in progress.

    With the DeBB site I completed the following:

    1) Send my first mail out describing the above process
    2) Setup my first autoresponder mail to start tomorrow.
    3) Did not get around to fixing the Opt-In copy on this site.

    That's my weekend. What did you get done?

    Just kidding

    Di
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  • Profile picture of the author Sam Mccallon
    People can slip away from the basics, reading this has taught me it's time to go back there.
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  • Profile picture of the author redfieryheart
    @John

    I never got interested with IM tips before to the extent of bookmarking it. I am a newbie and a "trying hard" IM, although there is a little cash involved with this method but I think it's worth a try. Opt in and email listing are not been tried before and I am inspired to try it this time.

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  • Profile picture of the author Jun Balona
    Just posting thru my phone. Haven't done anything lately due to headaches. Maybe I would improve more on my squeeze page tomorrow or the next following day.

    @Di, just saw the link on the Copywriting forum. Goodness they definitely grilled you there!

    But I'm amazed that you kept your composure regardless. Gonna commend you for that.

    Maybe I should try to post my squeeze page there too to be clubbered. LOL!
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  • Profile picture of the author bkat52
    anybody suggest an alternative to aweber? $19/mo isnt very much, but IT IS if you arent making money off it yet.
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    • Profile picture of the author AfteraDream
      Originally Posted by bkat52 View Post

      anybody suggest an alternative to aweber? $19/mo isnt very much, but IT IS if you arent making money off it yet.
      If you want to start with free one like MailChimp and switch to Aweber later on, you will lose big part of your list, I lost majority of it when switching. You better of sticking with one from the start. Stick with Aweber and get the 19 bucks somehow. It's not that bad of a price.
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      • Profile picture of the author John Durham
        Dont let haters get to you Dianna, but "Do" rev up the copy on your squeeze page.

        If people dont hate you, then you arent selling hard enough. :p

        I might lose the banner myself and just make an announcement and create some white space.

        Take your NUMBER ONE most mind blowing benefit and make it your headline.

        Your sig is rockin , now your page needs to come alive.

        Last note: "Get use to people hating". Its not gonna go away. Just move on with your goals. Get used to people being overly critical, and just focus on your market.

        Dont be embarrassed to sell hard, because they will make fun of you even if its for not selling hard enough...:p If you believe in your product, and you think it can change someones life, then say it!

        All it takes is to work for one person , then you dont have to argue with anyone anymore. Just worry about getting it to more people and changing more lives.

        -John
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  • Profile picture of the author smithmar01
    There is so much useful information here. Thank you for sharing. Even if people don't follow the methods I'm sure people will feel motivated to do something and that's great.
    Nothing happens until you take some sort of action.
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  • Profile picture of the author busybusinessman
    This misses out what some members quickly pick up on: traffic, the one thing that all websites need in order to build up a list. I can't believe that some mebers think this post is so good. I've never heard such a load of tosh for a long time.
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    • Profile picture of the author DianaHeuser
      Originally Posted by busybusinessman View Post

      This misses out what some members quickly pick up on: traffic, the one thing that all websites need in order to build up a list. I can't believe that some mebers think this post is so good. I've never heard such a load of tosh for a long time.
      Perhaps you should try reading the ENTIRE post before you make rude comments.

      Di
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    • Profile picture of the author WebPen
      Originally Posted by busybusinessman View Post

      This misses out what some members quickly pick up on: traffic, the one thing that all websites need in order to build up a list. I can't believe that some mebers think this post is so good. I've never heard such a load of tosh for a long time.
      Seriously? People are still bashing this thread?

      Look people- John didn't set out to write a freaking ebook. There are HUGE courses based on traffic alone. List building, copywriting, etc.- we ALL know that these are fundamentals and take a while to master.

      Instead of a whole course, John gave the basics of how to run an IM business.

      Provide value, build a list, provide more value, make $$$.

      Stop trolling.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Kage
    The idea and the plan is well laid out, but it needs more consistency and more details. But it is a good plan.
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  • Profile picture of the author TonAn28
    Trolling seems to be a global problem.

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    • Profile picture of the author Raul991
      Saving up for a PPC campaign is really not a bad idea. Yes, you can set up the whole system squeeze page, aweber and offers quicky, without much investment, but you still need traffic. PPC is create for squeeze page traffic, the clicks can cost much, but even one ultra targeted lead can make you a nice sum of money if you email your list every week/month.
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  • Profile picture of the author lkpub
    Great info for those just getting started in IM... However, I also recommend using Weebly especially if you don't have the funds for Intuit or anyone else... Blogspot is also another option along with many other free hosting providers...

    I'm always using Weebly for some quick and/or temporary Squeeze pages or sites not related to my main self-hosted sites... it's quick, easy to use, has great editable themes and modules, and best of all... Free...

    But I do suggest getting your own domain names to use with them altho using the Weebly subdomains works also if you use one with your related keyword especially when offering a freebie... NameCheap is great for low cost domain names...

    Just my thoughts...

    Linda =}
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  • Profile picture of the author Lori Kelly
    Great information. Thanks for starting this thread John. I'm still working on starting another business with information on another thread you started.

    Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jun Balona
    Update:

    I did it. I got a sale using what John Durham has outlined in here.

    I nearly didn't make one since I had a costly mistake in cloaking my affiliate link using .htaccess. I'm very thankful that someone actually notify me that she bought it using my link in my broadcast.

    I'm also thanking the product owner who handed me my commission after I send him an email about what happened.

    From the bottom of my heart, thank you guys.

    Mabuhay lahat kayo! (Long live to you all!)
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    • Profile picture of the author creative producer
      Originally Posted by Jun Balona View Post

      Update:

      I did it. I got a sale using what John Durham has outlined in here.

      I nearly didn't make one since I had a costly mistake in cloaking my affiliate link using .htaccess. I'm very thankful that someone actually notify me that she bought it using my link in my broadcast.

      I'm also thanking the product owner who handed me my commission after I send him an email about what happened.

      From the bottom of my heart, thank you guys.

      Mabuhay lahat kayo! (Long live to you all!)
      Congratulations, Jun!

      Now you have the topic of your next product:
      "How I Made My First Sale Online in Less Than 30 Days With NO COMPUTER!"

      Free Report:
      "Are You Bleeding Cash? How I Almost LOST my Very First Commission...If You Sell Online You Need This"

      Woo hoo!

      -CP
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    • Profile picture of the author creative producer
      Originally Posted by Jun Balona View Post

      Update:

      I did it. I got a sale using what John Durham has outlined in here.

      I nearly didn't make one since I had a costly mistake in cloaking my affiliate link using .htaccess. I'm very thankful that someone actually notify me that she bought it using my link in my broadcast.

      I'm also thanking the product owner who handed me my commission after I send him an email about what happened.

      From the bottom of my heart, thank you guys.

      Mabuhay lahat kayo! (Long live to you all!)
      Congratulations, Jun!

      Now you have the topic of your next product:
      "How I Made My First Sale Online in Less Than 30 Days With NO COMPUTER!"

      Free Report:
      "Are You Bleeding Cash? How I Almost LOST my Very First Commission...If You Sell Online You Need This"

      Woo hoo!

      -CP
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  • Profile picture of the author pfreelancer
    For me the best source of traffic is video marketing. Create a video about your website/service/product. Submit it to youtube and other high PR video directories, ping the video urls. You can add also each video URLS (one at a time) to your FB and Twitter updates. If you have time outsource it!
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    It was a joy to hear of your success today Jun, and I also commend you for being so open to share. Many people who have mailing lists would not come forward on a major thread and say I learned it here... out of FEAR of not being seen as an authority... isnt that a shame?

    There is a greater law at work though when you share.

    Bravo to you!
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    • Profile picture of the author Ben Armstrong
      Fantastic thread. Probably the best I've read since I've been on this forum.

      We have an experienced marketer helping out others without asking anything in return, and then we have a complete newbie making his first sale by nothing more than taking action with a simple, proven method.

      Anyone who is just starting out should be directed to this thread. It has everything they need to get started and proof that it works.

      Bravo warrior forum, Bravo!

      *stands up and claps*
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  • Profile picture of the author davidtong
    Astig Jun

    @John: Isn't it amusing that the more we know (and the more experienced we get) in any field/hobby/business, the more complicated we want things to be even if ALL OF US have proven to ourselves that we made our first buck through simplistic strategies and tactics?

    Kudos for starting the thread and motivating so many here (for free as well!)
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  • Profile picture of the author onlinebizgiant
    Even though the information is not new, I am sure you post it for helping other warriors who have not that much idea about the process.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jun Balona
    And for those who want proof, here it is:

    *link erased*

    Edit: Sorry, but the link here on my paypal screenshot was somewhat uploaded to my former webhost. I tried to recover the screenshot but to no avail.
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  • Profile picture of the author DianaHeuser
    Ack!

    Jun, thank you so much for picking up my newbie error on my latest email

    I used Google Shortner to cloak the link and I NEVER tested it. Ended up at a 404 error page.

    Blushing here

    Never too old to learn Di
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    @ Dianna,

    Stuff happens.... When you realize the huge numbers you are working with later, and that your mistakes only bother an extremely small percentage of them at any given time. It's easier to live mistakes down.

    Just like Jun, Im not gonna be shy about telling it like it is...Why? Because I understand what I just told you. lol
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    • Profile picture of the author SandyDuPlessis
      I live in a country where an awful lot of sites are banned, especially most of the url shortning sites. This means I cannot click on a shortened url and therefore cannot access the affiliate product information.

      The only way we can "shorten" urls is to create a folder called recommends, favorites or go (or any other name you like) and pop it into our site directory. From there we add individual folders for each affiliate product containing a simple redirect.

      Using notepad or something similar add the following snippet:

      <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
      <html>
      <head>
      <meta http-equiv="REFRESH" content="0;url=http://www.the-domain-you-want-to-redirect-to.com"></HEAD>
      </HTML>

      Save as index.html - then place it into your redirect/affiliate product file.

      now your link will look something like this:

      yourdomain.com/recommends/affiliateproductname

      For those of us who live in eastern countries such as the UAE, Saudi Arabia and Turkey it would be a great help if more IMers used this method.

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  • Profile picture of the author Adel Sinan
    Thanks for sharing this information, pretty simple to follow.
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  • Profile picture of the author ianswinno1
    Hi,new to the WF. Been in internet marketing for 12months now. I am posting a bit of a help me plea. I need some help in getting started in IM, I don't have my own product so therefore affiliate marketing is the logical step.

    Does someone who has made it want to help me in getting a project started, kinda hold my hand and show me the steps I need to take. Sick and tired of all the BS out there and want to learn from someone who knows what they are talking about which is all of you guys. If I do it once then I can rinse and repeat....just need a leg up and put the missing pieces in place.

    If you have a heart then send me a reply so I can learn....

    Ian
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  • Profile picture of the author georgedinmore
    John,

    It is a rare sight for me to be in here now-a-days.

    However, when i do, i find quality posts such as yours.

    But, i just want to clarify the traffic you didn't mention.

    Most people say, why haven't you mentioned the traffic source.

    If you are in the internet marketing niche, head over to a jv giveaway, get your link, and use your link in Traffic swarm.

    Now your sorted for your traffic.

    I have used this method for about 3 months when i heard it somewhere. I now have a list in many areas, buyers lists. Now headed to a couple of different niches.
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  • Profile picture of the author davidtong
    Just to contribute in the 'simple' path as well. Not a big "made hundreds instantly" example, but it did make money QUICKLY and cheaply as well... Through niche review sites.

    Last July, I started my first Amazon review site, my first ever niche site, knowing zero in KWR and backlinking. I didn't start the site with making money in mind, just a study tool in SEO and ranking.

    Created a simple WP site, added a static page featuring 2 items on Amazon (one's 29 bucks, the other's 199 bucks).

    The site receives between single-digit to about 20 visits a day max.

    In 9 days, it made its first cents off Adsense. Nothing major, but it did make money on its own.

    Then 3 weeks later, it made 2 sales off Amazon.

    End of August, it made about $23 bucks on its own.

    Nothing spectacular, but this was a borderline 'no-effort' site... Wrote 3-5 posts, bought one fiverr gig for link wheel, and that's it.

    Every month, a few bucks here and there with me not lifting a finger...

    For many newbies, that's enough to get them going, letting them know that you CAN make money online...

    How much depends on more knowledge and understanding of the market demand and opportunities, but the strategies are rather the same.

    I've made more money off blogs and online shops before, but never on niche or review sites, this simple site made me believe in niche sites and allowed me to study the opportunity more.

    If there's one thing most newbies and 'down-and-out' folks need, it's a simple 'spark of proof and hope' that something works. The amount is secondary and trivial as many will accept that it'll take more time and effort, but just to get the wheels rolling? A buck is all it takes for most of us.

    You can't start an avalanche without the first speck of snow.
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    • Profile picture of the author PeckhamPirate
      I agree. But IM is bigger than ever now no one has a job and the economy is so down, so while the pot of cash is still growing, we do have to work harder to earn our portion of that pot.

      As such Jon's shown a valid way to make money. Sure it's a lot harder to get found online these days than it once was, especially if you're in the doggie niche.

      But there are some great free traffic systems and methods out there, with more new and innovative sites popping up all the time. Plus good old fashioned seo will always pull in traffic over time if your content is well thought out, optimised and unique.

      The modern marketer has her or his fingers in all kinds of pies. It's just not enough anymore to have one site, with a 20 thousand word sales letter flogging an eboook about flogging ebooks.

      Things have moved on.

      Personally I have sites that earn me less than $100 a month, and others that only earn during certain holidays, or even specific days of the year.

      I also run a bunch of easy to fulfill Fiverr gigs, I dabble with real estate and even car hire. No single website or strategy (well maybe one) provides a realistic salary, but when I tally the profits from everything up I'm a very happy warrior, and I won't go to my grave saying I wish I'd spent more time with the kids (or in my hammock).

      I'll be the guy who says my hardest decision in life was whether to check my Google Analytics or PayPal account first, when I get up in the (late) morning.

      So thanks Jon, you've added another string to our collective bows, and as warriors we should all be very thankful!
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  • Profile picture of the author danr62
    Diana, I think he was referring to the fact that the poster was basically saying, "You can't make money with these simple methods, you have to make it more complicated," and yet Jun HAD made money with those simple steps.
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  • Profile picture of the author monetization
    Listbuilding is the cornerstone of internet marketing. If you have half-decent copyrighting skills (or good swipe skills) and some consistency, this method of making money on a shoe-string budget WILL work.
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  • Profile picture of the author TedTheodore
    Hey All,

    Absolutely love this thread !
    Kudos to John for starting it.

    -Ted-
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  • Profile picture of the author BabyMama
    Yes this method works! But you do need traffic!!! Without any traffic this high converting well built site will never have any subscribers
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  • Profile picture of the author TheInternet
    Google will give you free AdWords credit if you ask nicely: https://services.google.com/fb/forms/adwordscoupon/

    I'm using a $100 coupon I got in the mail a long time ago to see what I can do with PPC.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jun Balona
    Update:

    Sent half of my earnings here to Ken Strong's fund.

    I know it's not much, but he needs it more than I do.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jbarros
    Thanks this is really what i needed. Actualy when I think about it, the lists where I submited my email address to receive info from TOP IM gurus, use exactly the same process to sell their products. If they do it like this then it has to be where the money is.


    A question: Do you guys buy a domain just for your squeeze page?

    thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author Jun Balona
    Update:

    Seems like my hosting provider failed me. Guess I need to reactivate my account at hostgator as soon as got my work pay.

    I'm going to take out my links for now. Sucks but I've got no choice.
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  • Profile picture of the author Blade Runner 77
    thank you, thi sis awesome for me
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  • Profile picture of the author Msands
    Nice...I love how easy and straight to the point you put it John. Thank you very much...
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  • Profile picture of the author Jun Balona
    Update:

    Had my sig link up and running again.

    My thanks to Diana for helping me out.
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  • Profile picture of the author JieLim
    Thanks John for this post.

    Yes making money online is simple. One major problem that newbies (including myself) have is losing focus. There are so many ways to make money online, so many different techniques and strategies that it is quite overwhelming for a newcomer. Of the people who do actually start and do something, many will get distracted half way by another great program that promises to earn them thousands of dollars in a few short weeks.

    In summary, just FOCUS (Follow One Course Until Successful)!!

    Jie
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  • Profile picture of the author eptravel
    is there any package


    eplanettravel.com
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  • Profile picture of the author heresteve2
    John,

    Fantastic post. I actually purchased my first WSO not long ago that was this exact idea in much more detail. I hope I am not breaking any ethical standards here, but I've added my affiliate link for the product in my signature, because it is very much similar to your original post only in much more detail. I own it and I am implementing it. I've only been at it for 2 weeks and while the support from the writer for this WSO has been great, I would like to mention a few things here and try to get some new perspectives!

    I chose a niche that isn't that interesting to me, but picked the first product that fit the criteria he laid out. His WSO is presented in a way to promote taking action, so I didn't spend too much time on niche selection. I think this was a mistake for a couple of reasons. While his criteria are set to find products that will convert, it's not easy writing articles on a boring subject. As John points out here, you need to be you, and with certain topics this can make it very difficult. I purposely avoided MMO because I figured that there are going to be a lot of people with more knowledge on this subject competing with me, and that would make it much more difficult. But I am rethinking that strategy. I am spending a good amount of time researching how to MMO so why not use that knowledge as my information to others. I think I will start a list and share my experiences while I go. For Newbies, From a Newbie. Of course I will push affiliate products, but only ones that have helped me, or that I found useful.

    Back to the original niche that I picked. I'm not going to give up on it after all the time I've already invested into it, especially creating the free report. There are some obstacles however that I've encountered. I've tried to post to Squidoo and Hubpages but they banned basically every affiliate subject. Is anyone using Squidoo or Hubpages for affiliate products?

    Next I moved on to Forum marketing. I've had a very hard time finding forums that allow you to put links, or list your website. Is this normal or did I just pick a terrible Niche. I guess I should tell you the Niche I am working is Acne. While putting together my signature for this post I learned about this Bulletin Board Text so I am going to give that a shot! (Maybe my first blog post at "For Newbies, From a Newbie!")
    So then I tried the Blog comments strategy. Again almost every blog I found was basically created to promote the same affiliate product that I am trying to sell. The ones that were legit didn't have a spot for website listing. Maybe I'm just having bad luck, but I'm starting to wonder if so many people are trying to affiliate market, that forums and blogs are adapting to not allow linking in order to stop spamming.
    Again I haven't been doing it that long, but traffic definitely seems to be my biggest obstacle. I've done all the keyword research and I'm writing articles accordingly, so hopefully the targeted traffic will be showing up soon! I would love to hear more ideas on how to accomplish this. Anything on Fiver working? Should I use the $100 adwords credit I received for signing up with Hostgator to try and get traffic?

    Now a quick sales pitch on the affiliate link I mentioned earlier. Tom has set this up in stages. Complete one before moving on to the next. This forces you to take action, and not get overwhelmed by a wealth of information. He has been very responsive to any questions I've sent him. He addresses all the concerns that have been mentioned here, including how to develop your AMAZING FREE PRODUCT, different traffic strategies, free and paid. And the best part is he has included templates for the squeeze page, thank you page, and first round of emails. I will say though that if writing is not something you are crazy about doing, then this is not the strategy for you. There is a lot of writing involved. I'm not a huge fan of writing, but it's the necessary grunt work to get my business off the ground. There is also a little bit of a learning curve for newbies like me. Setting up the squeeze page, aweber account, and hostgator account took a little research and learning, but you can get there.
    I look forward to any feedback from the experienced Warriors out there, and if you are considering this strategy but want a more step by step video tutorial, check out the affiliate link in my signature!
    Good Luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author Brendan Vraibel
    Beautiful in its simplicity, John. That right there is the foundation for 99% of IM campaigns, all that is left to do is IMPLEMENT.
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    great and simple advice here, now taking action is another thing.

    But the fact that taking action you will learn, make money and then test other things, you can make 5k a month from doing this. Its not the power within, its the power to take action that will bring results.
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  • Profile picture of the author Osman_M
    This is the most bare bones and basic approach and it works! Thats all that really matters. Thanks a lot John!
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  • Profile picture of the author robnoble
    Some excellent info in this thread!

    It's too much to read all so I hope this hasn't already been said but....

    I would follow John's outline but change Clickbank to Warriorplus for instant Paypal payments then once I knew it was working would use that cashflow to start buying traffic from solo ads. I realise this is getting away from the simplicity of the original outline - AND THAT IS IT'S MOST IMPORTANT FEATURE - but if you start out with warriorplus then there is no changeover and you will have confidence that the model works. - instant payouts equals instant cash flow!

    I would also make it single optin and make the first offer on the download page not the first email which I would make a welcome message and a link to an unexpected free offer to start encouraging subscribers to open the emails.

    Just my thoughts

    Great thread John
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  • Profile picture of the author dspyer92
    Bump, anyone get any more sales?
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  • Profile picture of the author sekhar203
    every thing is ok...explained in a step by step manner, i think you have missed to mention about traffic part which is the lifeline of every business...off or online...
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    • Profile picture of the author ShayB
      Originally Posted by sekhar203 View Post

      every thing is ok...explained in a step by step manner, i think you have missed to mention about traffic part which is the lifeline of every business...off or online...
      Please read the post right above yours. :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author Looking4Mentor
    Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

    This is about how Y-O-U can earn money online without waiting till you have 2k saved up... Truly if you really want to you could set this up in ONE AFTERNOON.

    I am primarily an offliner marketer, but I DO participate in online marketing as well... and rarely frequent the main discussion forum anymore, however, its nice to have something to offer here and there... Having said that:

    Hope no one hates me for this. This will be OLD hat to some, but I like to think I can explain it in a way thats easy to understand, because Im a pretty simple K.I.S.S. Kinda guy for the most part.

    Here it goes. And yes I speak from my own experience here as always...

    A friend in another thread said something that I wanted to Address but it deserves a thread of its own.

    "He said "Im waiting to try and earn money untill I can save up enough to do a ppc campaign".

    You dont need that.

    Here was my response, but I decided to share it here instead for the benefit of those who never venture into the OT section:



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    Take me seriously here for a minute Jun. If you listen this will make you some money.

    A: Get an aweber acct. ($1.00)
    B: If you dont have a credit card, borrow one from somebody.
    C: Get A Homestead/Intuit account. ($9.95 per month)
    D: Pick a target market...ie; Dog Grooming, MMO...
    E: Put up a squeeze page using one of homesteads template designs. Easy drag and drop interface. Easy to optimize.
    F: Using the instructional videos at aweber, integrate the aweber opt in form into your web page.
    G: Offer something COMPLETELY AMAZING for Free on Your Webpage, in exchange for signing up to your newsletter.
    H: Create an auto response email in your aweber account for people who sign up that sends them the opt in confirmation link.
    I: When they cl;ick the opt in confirmation link, have it take them straight to the web page where they can download their amazing free product as promised.
    J: Set up an affiliate account with click bank or whoever, to promote a product thats related to your niche which pays say a $10.00 commission.

    H: Create an auto response "Welcome Email" That welcomes people to your newsletter and tells them about this other awesome product they might be interested in. Im thinking 2 out of ten will buy.

    Now, all of this happens within 5 minutes of a person opting into your squeeze page, so; once you set it up, you could make money within 5 minutes, and it all comes with instructional videos so you cant fail in setting it up.

    Now lets REALLY LOW-BALL THIS:

    Say you get 10 people per day opting into your list... within 10 days thats 20 sales you made based on our calculations here, which equals $200 profit.

    Now you have done your work only ONCE... but it is going to pay you at least 20 dollars per day from here on out, even if you dont add any other emails or ever follow up again...Just leaving your link out there and collecting ten emails per day.

    BUT, you arent going to do that.

    You are going to keep sending out an email every week with different programs... and 10-20% of your list, different people on different weeks, based on different offers and interest... are always going to be buying a product... So within 30 days you have 300-400 emails, and now you make a consistent Minimum of $800 - $1,200 per month.

    There you have it. Do that, and you will make some money.

    John, Once again, great method!
    I've been reading more and more of your posts, or should I say threads. You are a shoot from the hip kind of guy and the free advice you give on here should actually be sold (not that I'm complaining!)

    Just wanting to say thanks!

    Peace.
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  • Profile picture of the author fizal619
    so what about the ppl who live in a community without credit cards? regardless i dont think the conversion rate is 20% that's too high 0_o
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    • Profile picture of the author ShayB
      Originally Posted by fizal619 View Post

      so what about the ppl who live in a community without credit cards? regardless i dont think the conversion rate is 20% that's too high 0_o
      Do you mean for signing up for Homestead? Are you in the US? You can get a pre-paid debit card.

      Or were you referring to that only in the sense of sales and conversions?

      If you give more info, people will be happy to help you with whatever you're asking about.
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  • Profile picture of the author fizal619
    i was just being difficult sorry, lol.
    the 20% conversion part I dont get, is it definite?
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    • Profile picture of the author ShayB
      Originally Posted by fizal619 View Post

      i was just being difficult sorry, lol.
      the 20% conversion part I dont get, is it definite?


      Okay.

      I think John - and others - have addressed the conversion rate in the thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author fizal619
    i was just being difficult sorry, lol.
    the 20% conversion part I dont get, is it definite?
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  • Profile picture of the author fizal619
    i will re-read then, thanks :-)
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